Nowadays it's not enough to land it. You need to record it, upload it somewhere and name it. Probably someone landed something before it was "invented" but as there are no records it "did not happen".
I got one for ya Rad Rat. When I started skating in 1999 I owned one skate video and was very isolated from any kind of skate culture. I did all my skateboarding on my paved driveway. I thought I had invented so many tricks some were very original like pressure flip under flips and stuff like that. I legit thought them up and did them. Turns out f***ing Mullen had done them 10 years prior but I’d never seen them. Does that still count?
This guy deserves more subs. I remember watching him years ago and listening to his videos while I worked a housekeeping job. This guy got me through a rough period and I’m glad to see he’s still around
I think for the situation where you think up a trick and someone else does it, I think it's up to the person who DID land it to decide if you get credit or not. If you theory crafted the trick, and your homie who lands it first says it was all thanks to you, then you get credit. But the person who lands it is usually the person who ultimately put in the work to make it possible. If Thomas Edison's mom said "Hey, wouldn't it be nice if you used electricity for lights so we wouldn't need candles," that doesn't mean she invented it. Unless you left behind detailed blueprints, we just have to take the word of the guy who first landed it.
People need shorter names to visualize tricks faster: Bennet, Barley, Hurricane, Sugarcane, Suciu, etc. I'm trying to see the benefit of calling these tricks or combos, all tricks are combinations of sub-movements. On a rail, a Bluntslide is an Ollie over to Tailslide, why is it a trick and the Bennet isn't? In the video a Bigspin Flip is called a trick, but again it is just a mix of sub-movements that could be broken into "360 Flip body rotation combo", it falls in the same category as Bigger spins, Gazelles, etc, it is just an organic way to call things by shorter names. When the "combos" mentioned in the video have such a specific aesthetic and becomes popular, this is when we call these tricks. The body has such a specific position while doing a Hurricane, same for the specific motion of a Bigspin Flip.
If invention of physical maneuvers does not include the realization but only generating ideas, then I will invent the hardest trick known to mankind right now: late double flip to cross-foot late inward double heelflip (with the backfoot which is at the front now). one foot landing and body varial included of course. I call it Diingleberry Flip
Can we just all collectively agree that Rodney Mullen invented every trick, it seems to mostly be the case anyway, might as well just give them all to him.
I don't know anything about skateboarding (still love your channel, though!) but I guess the way I see it is...like, okay. Who wrote Heartbreak Hotel? Was it Elvis Presley or was it _[checks Wikipedia]_ ...Mae Axton and Tommy Durden? You ask anybody on the street and they'll tell you it's an Elvis song. I guess what I mean is, even if someone invents or originates something, whoever actually uses it enough (or discovers it independently) that they popularize it or it even becomes their trademark move will inevitably get associated most with it, and as murky as the whole ownership situation seems, that I guess is the most straightforward way of looking at it imo.
any intellectual property works the same way...the first person to "come to market" with the product is considered the inventor/originator. i cant tell people i "invented" mickey mouse in my basement if walt disney was the first person to make a cartoon and copyright it
So what do you think? Do you have to land the trick first to be the inventor?
Nah. That Boneless story just showed how they both invented it, if that makes any sense
Nowadays it's not enough to land it. You need to record it, upload it somewhere and name it.
Probably someone landed something before it was "invented" but as there are no records it "did not happen".
I got one for ya Rad Rat.
When I started skating in 1999 I owned one skate video and was very isolated from any kind of skate culture. I did all my skateboarding on my paved driveway.
I thought I had invented so many tricks some were very original like pressure flip under flips and stuff like that. I legit thought them up and did them.
Turns out f***ing Mullen had done them 10 years prior but I’d never seen them.
Does that still count?
@@matixxx1798 kind of! I think you can be an independent inventor, but not be THE inventor
"360 flip - written by rodney mullen, performed by jason lee (there was also a successful sequel/revival starring chris joslin)"
This guy deserves more subs. I remember watching him years ago and listening to his videos while I worked a housekeeping job. This guy got me through a rough period and I’m glad to see he’s still around
The sound effects on the zoom-ins and outs are a nice editing touch. 👍
@@itmightgetdark thanks! I've been putting a lot of work in on editing lately
Seems interesting
I think for the situation where you think up a trick and someone else does it, I think it's up to the person who DID land it to decide if you get credit or not. If you theory crafted the trick, and your homie who lands it first says it was all thanks to you, then you get credit. But the person who lands it is usually the person who ultimately put in the work to make it possible. If Thomas Edison's mom said "Hey, wouldn't it be nice if you used electricity for lights so we wouldn't need candles," that doesn't mean she invented it.
Unless you left behind detailed blueprints, we just have to take the word of the guy who first landed it.
Definitely went 100% on the editing with this video! Made the whole viewing much more interesting and engaging 😁
Editing has been great lately Mr rat
People will always say I thought of doing that,ESPECIALLY if you havent landed it and they have
I like the idea of "discovering tricks" more than "inventing tricks." They were always possible to begin with.
i feel coming up with the widely recognized name for a trick is almost as important as being the first to do it
People need shorter names to visualize tricks faster: Bennet, Barley, Hurricane, Sugarcane, Suciu, etc. I'm trying to see the benefit of calling these tricks or combos, all tricks are combinations of sub-movements. On a rail, a Bluntslide is an Ollie over to Tailslide, why is it a trick and the Bennet isn't?
In the video a Bigspin Flip is called a trick, but again it is just a mix of sub-movements that could be broken into "360 Flip body rotation combo", it falls in the same category as Bigger spins, Gazelles, etc, it is just an organic way to call things by shorter names.
When the "combos" mentioned in the video have such a specific aesthetic and becomes popular, this is when we call these tricks. The body has such a specific position while doing a Hurricane, same for the specific motion of a Bigspin Flip.
If invention of physical maneuvers does not include the realization but only generating ideas, then I will invent the hardest trick known to mankind right now: late double flip to cross-foot late inward double heelflip (with the backfoot which is at the front now). one foot landing and body varial included of course. I call it Diingleberry Flip
I just invented a new Skateboarding trick!! It's called Like and Subscribe!! This is pretty sick!! 2:30
Can we just all collectively agree that Rodney Mullen invented every trick, it seems to mostly be the case anyway, might as well just give them all to him.
Nah
Sometimes I wonder if I was the first person to do a cancel flip. I have one on video from like 2004
5:52 my 2 faverits skater
I don't know anything about skateboarding (still love your channel, though!) but I guess the way I see it is...like, okay. Who wrote Heartbreak Hotel? Was it Elvis Presley or was it _[checks Wikipedia]_ ...Mae Axton and Tommy Durden? You ask anybody on the street and they'll tell you it's an Elvis song. I guess what I mean is, even if someone invents or originates something, whoever actually uses it enough (or discovers it independently) that they popularize it or it even becomes their trademark move will inevitably get associated most with it, and as murky as the whole ownership situation seems, that I guess is the most straightforward way of looking at it imo.
any intellectual property works the same way...the first person to "come to market" with the product is considered the inventor/originator. i cant tell people i "invented" mickey mouse in my basement if walt disney was the first person to make a cartoon and copyright it
omg the picture of you and andy is so cute :)
Andy Macdonald?
@@TheSultan1470 andy anderson, in the video!
Rad Rat! The godfather of
#RACETO100K
Does a "proper" ghetto bird count as a combo?
how about being the first one to land something, but it was on accident?
You are one handsome rat, RadRat. 😎🙈😆
Forgot the ghetto bird
My favorite skateboarding tricks have to be: like, and subscribe!! 0:10
What happened to all your old videos from your channel when it was called AaronL?
Imagine if we had to name all of Yuto's Nollie combos and variations.
the bachinsky comparison was shit man
First