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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 20 พ.ค. 2024
- In this episode we reflect on the final day of the season, in which a 2-1 win over Everton wasn't enough to win us the title because of what happened elsewhere. We chat about how we feel after a long, mostly enjoyable campaign, but without the success everyone had hoped for, as well as contextualising Man City's fourth successive title and what it means for the Premier League as a competition. We have some listener questions about Emile Smith Rowe, whether or not it's realistic to think we can raise the level again next season, Cedric the werewolf, and lots more.
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The "handball" decision is not too complicated. Since Jesus (a) had his arm down by his side (which this season has been questionably referred to as a "natural position" by officials) and (b) was not the goal scorer the referee must deem the handball to be deliberate for the goal to be ruled out (by contrast if the goal scorer handballs it it does not matter if it was accidental). I believe that the ref was asked to check if they should deem it deliberate. I also think that he, correctly, decided he couldn't tell, and so stuck with his decision. He could have just as easily been leaning over to chest the ball or dodge the boot of the Everton player, and I don't think we should ask refs to read players' minds.
These were my thoughts too. No one seems to be taking into account Jesus's turn having to do with the boot coming toward him, while still trying to maintain control of the ball. He turned from his chest to his side mainly to take the boot on the arm rather than in the chest, which makes sense.
Well done. Finally, someone else gets it. 🤝 the discourse around handball is so annoying.
The law is very clear and not complicated at all. Its just that no one seems to bother reading or trying to understand it. Handball will always be a subjective decision by its very nature. If the ref can not be sure its deliberate, outside of the situations you described, they should not be giving fouls for handball.
Referring to our lack of injuries this season. Do you think it's a coincidence that our Doctor moved to Manchester United this season? Look at their injuries this season, it looks similar to ours last 🤷🏻♂️😀
I was at the live show at Ally Pally on Saturday and I started the "What do we think of Tottenham?" chant at the start of the show.
You're welcome, everyone ;)
Fair play!
I’m there now! Alley Park Road visiting my pals. One Chelsea and the other Madrid 🙄
Anyway, great to see The Arsenal getting the result regardless. Not a mean feat! EiE 🔴⚪️
As far as I'm concerned we won the league because anything Man City 115 achieve is null and void, and nobody will ever change my mind!
All the charges years before Pep. Pep is a football and motivational genius. They are still well ahead of us as a team and esp a squad. We are very good they are excellent. Thecrukes were brought in to protect big clubs. My issue is foreign owning cultural ucons but after that City are excellent brilliantly run club. Run by dystopian Arabs. Wouldn't be surprised if Kroenke have done dodgy things in their day. Chelsea were as bad at least.
@@virupakshawalla5734 The issue is not that they are a brilliantly run club...even the mafia can claim to brilliantly run their organisations!
The issue is according to the rules, clubs like Forest and Everton have been swiftly and severely punished for way less than City have been getting away with for a decade at least.
Well that's just dumb. We did NOT win the league.
@@Jedimack7 i am opposed to foreign ownership. But the Xity chargare very different. Evertin and Forest didn’t keep within financial guidelines. Fines-penalties. City accused of fraud and malpractice. Needs to be proven so no penalty until verdict . The rules are for the old power club. If only to protect clubs integrity as ongoing concerns then ask Emirate to put down fi ancial guarantee. Facebook ran at loss for years. You can lise to invest in future any business. All tech companies got venture capital for years. If its got to ve self sustathen its also purely business. Old days local worrhy often lost monon club he loved. Blackburn was vanity title for one man. This moral outrage is bollocks. The morals of commercialising football is worse for Man U and us. Purely business owners. Pep came in much later. The football is real bot cheated. They don't spend most now because they sell well. Pep has that team doing almost unbelievable things that have nothing to do with Mancini insiting on tax free bungs lol. As for boring. First half this seasww were much more boring . If a team has a go at them tgey are far from boring. Guy doesn't watch them and calls them boring lol.
Arteta wants to largely emulate them si be prepato be bored 😴 🤡🤣. It can be boring when teams like us park bus against them. We had a great season. We failed mentaa bit but not at Emptyhad. Tgatcwas a great result and performance. But games like Byern away and even Evwe notcquite ready to play with conviction in these moments yet. But watching City squad on podium and their game against West Ham we are a vut off it yet and may not actually overt them. But City lost 9 games year Liverpool win it. Maybe bext season with 4 in a row in bag (one great thing is it takes record from red nose Ferguson) they may mentally focus on another CL. Tgey outplayed Real 3 rimes and only beat them once so mentality should be thrown at Rodri in CL lol. I would have said that to him if interviewing lol. Di you think your relative failure in CL is a frail mentality 🤔.
If we can kuck on may3its our year next year. Just exceCity in PL have been super human .
@Krisdon-su8ff i am from Glasgow fuk heid, lived in London twice. Not everyone used their real name on youtube; hope that doesn't shake your reality 😵💫
Sorry but that was never EVER hand ball. I was perplexed watching it as to what VAR nonce had even pulled it up for review but hearing the two of you seemingly fall on that side of the fence has me beyond baffled.
Jesus' arm was down hy his side; it may as well have been stapled to his hip. If he didn't have arms at all, that passage of play would have been identical.
I thought people were always joking when they said they don't know what handball is anymore but now I'm rethinking that - you're all being serious??
This team is everything i ever wanted to see from Arsenal, they are great great players, great personalities, great people and Arteta has done a really incredible job❤Love this club till the end,we will get there, we will celebrate it and nobody will be able to take it away!!❤❤❤COYG!!
Personally i think citeh will be absolved of most of the charges against them as the implications could be potentially catastrophic for the Premier League if they are found guilty. You can’t demote them without taking away titles. A points deduction would be irrelevant after the fact and the players would litigate not just against the club but also against the Premier League. There is also the ethical perspective concerning the players. Would you really want to take titles away from players who have done nothing wrong! The only thing i can say with some certainty is that the football authorities have really screwed this up.
Great season guys, thank you!
52:00 no one does. Not just Arteta. Sky are frightened to bring it up. Journalists don't ask difficult questions. Would pep stay if he was asked questions about the charges every week. Wright and Keys have mentioned it once on TV in passing.
Jesus's arm was close to the body so it should not be a handball as per the rulebook? Why ponder over it so much? Clearly not a foul.
I don't get it either, where is he supposed to keep his arm?
43:50 Exactly my thoughts on current title discourse. The team that supposedly has the biggest rivalry is United and most of their fans are cheering for City to beat Arsenal while simultaneously outdoing the greatest record in the history of their own club. It's baffling. Can you imagine cheering on Spurs to go Invincible if it meant it would stop United from winning their first title in years?
Oliver is paid by saudis to ref games in the saudi pro league ofcourse hes invested in city sheik monsour pays his wages..not the only english ref either
I opened beer, now your turn sirs hosts
Right after all the games finished I had a few days away from football. Had numerous box sets teed up in preparation lol.
I haven't even watched Match of the Day yet. Will get to it in the summer.
Pinning my hopes on England to win the Euros now...will cheer me up (a little) if we do!!
The Que Golazo podcast is the best 💖
Xhaka was on £110K and provided the real leadership, as well as he was our Left 8, not our centre forward.
As much as I am liking Kai (after last Christmas period), he’s been playing as Centre Forward and he’s not exactly Winston Churchill!
Totally wrong from James and Andrew to fall into the trap of comparing 2 different players, different positions, different personalities etc etc.
My personal opinion (since you didn’t ask) is that we dropped valuable points against Villa (x6), against Fulham (x5) and those games that our energy/motivation was low in the camp, those are the moments that we needed all the leaders we could get, to get us through those difficult moments!
The reality of Liverpool winning a league back in... 2020!... was down to a lot of factors, like say, a global pandemic, a stop in play to recover and push the pace till the final game. Other than that, this City domination of 4 years is indicative of how much their financing has made the league into an insurmountable challenge and yet they'll see no discipline. Proud of the team but to be this nonchalant vs a team that is dominating while cheating, I just don't get how other fanbases hate us more than them.
That's the narrative about Liverpool's win but it's not quite true, Liverpool were already over 20 points clear of City that year by the time play stopped for the pandemic, when they won something like 25 of 26 games. But I think you're right that City are unlikely to be disciplined meaningfully... so now we just have to spoil Guardiola's leaving do as he tries to get out before the charges get resolved!
@@HappyToHelp1 Being facetious, but it's just the amount of bs you have to get through to compete at the top and yet we're played as the villains. City gets no ire from other fanbases, just resignation, I really don't get that at this stage.
@@FreddyMacT You're right, it is very frustrating
City is a small club that not many care about. It's more fun for our rivals to hate on us than hate on City who have a fraction of the fans.
@@PatrickCWalters they've been dominating the Prem for 10 years now. They won 4 titles in a row + a CL... they're only small in your mind. Somehow we create more polarity or fanbases are deathly stupid to not see how City are eroding the Prem's standing.
Arsenal suffered when fighting on multiple fronts. We lacked quality in Depth to allow us to rotate players. Saka , Declan Rice ,Odiguard all at times needed a break at times . Party can't play 4 games without needing a break , off seasons investments in quality in depth , and the addition of Obi Martin included in the first team squad will help. Probably need 4 players incoming El neny and Soares of contract plugs the need for Nelson , Eddie ,Rambo and the Smith will probably need to Leave to play.
I think the point about trophies in the cups is important. We may score 90 points next season and not win the league again. You have to have something at the end of the season to show for all the hard work and good play. Otherwise the morale will take a beating. How long can you keep that up for?
Andrew, are you planning on releasing the live event as a podcast like you did last year? I'd love to watch/listen to it.
Do we get to watch the Saturday event eventually? I look forward to those
Proud we took it to the very end! COYG
Next season goals = better rotation and trusting the squad and take domestic cups seriously whilst mounting a title challenge and going as deep as possible in the UCL
After reading the emails between the board of directors and the owner of Manchester City, I am convinced that the independent body will find City guilty of many, if not all of the charges.
The question is When and what the punishments will be. Man City's lawyers are the best in England and ironically their tactic has been park the bus and stall out the legal process as long as possible (and be hugely successful in the meantime) .
This is a dark mark on the Premiere League and they have done evrything they can so far to fight against City and put a strong case infront of the independent commission.
What if Arteta was taking money under the table from city and is just as guilty as Pep? It's a possibility. That's why he keeps his mouth shut.
Or he knows nothing.
While we did have our center back available for every game Thomas Partey and jacob kiwior played over one of them in the fulham draw where we lost the league in the first month of the season. We can get there with improving the squad and Arteta improving.
Why would City pay to an assistant manager? His job was to train players, not to oversee transfers or finances. The only way it works is if Arteta was going through drawers and stumbled upon a smoking gun, then blackmailed City. Which could only happen in movies.
It's very simple. Arteta really respects Pep.
in every aspect of our world the governing bodies that are supposed to be maintaining some kind of 'level playing field', if its football or housing or taxes, whatever area, they dont have the power, they cant actually punish the ultra rich in a meaningful way, even if they want to, which, does the EPL really want to punish city? i doubt it, but even if they wanted to, im not sure they can anyways. fact is there are lots of people and companies out there that are effectively above the law.
the worst bit to me is that whatever the EPL actually does, they are going to write the cover story for city themselves, because they have to pretend that everything's fine to protect themselves, and by doing that, they launder city's bs.
City simply just wins way too much for their own good that people became apathetic to them.
CITY WON THE
PREMIER LEAGUE AND
ABSOLUTELY NO-ONE CARED (no-one cared)
ABSOLUTELY NO-ONE CARED
Since January run in how many goals have we scored since from outside box vs City. Think Foden probably scored more from outside box than our whole team. We rush shots under pressure and donhave enough exceptional ball strikers. Rice needs to practice free kicks and shooting as Odegaard (my fav player) isn't a threat from free kicks. Jesus couldn't kick his way out a wet paper bag. Saka shooting comes and goes and Martinelli has lost it atm.
Arteta knows, if you beat a team like City, with all their money and cheating and everything that they got, if Arsenal beats them-We would have done something really special and it will be worthwhile battle all the way to that point. ❤
Lads. Handball needs to be deliberate for it to be a foul. The very nature of this law for the past 150 years means that it will always be a subjective decision by the ref. There is no way the ref could have judged Jesus deliberately handled the ball. They are not mind readers
James please stop with the 'Its alot its alot' are you an americian now?
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Havertz saw Jesus hand ball no doubt 😂 Thought it was getting chalked off.
Hurt but played quite poorly. Rodri shot doesn’t go in it hits a leg and Oliver decides their hand ball goal lol. And other ref chalks ours off; that would have been a horrible day. 2 draws 😢.
We failed in big pressure moments again but overall we actually over achieved looking at our squad vs City. Up to 8 of our squad ain't good enough or fit enough. Thats still a huge gap. We need 6 out 4 in and maybe a promotion from kids.
We cant talk about how we can improve the team, we had the best season an Arsenal fan has ever seen. We just have to keep doing what we are doing. We got unlucky, Emery hates Arsenal and that showed when he put a 2nd string outfit against city and then the penultimate game of the season was against arsenal rivals and the whole stadium and some players didn’t take advantage of chances. The two teams that could have hurt city even produced one draw was against teams that had beef with Arsenal. There are 4 teams that will give city a game and 2 of them didn’t turn up when it was clear Arsenal were on an incredible run. COYG.
"best season an Arsenal fan has ever seen"
Except for the invincibles who didn't lose a game and goint one point more and actually won the league.
...or the twelve other league title wins in our history.
This was, at most, our 14th best season.
@@kunimitsune177 well yes, but most points most goals scored was what i was on about. Sorry 🫡 i think we have to go invincible to stop city and thats as rare as a golden premier league trophy. Next season we have to start like we mean it and Christmas like Jesus and then end like this season!! COYG
Why is no one in their commentary talking about the absence of Saka? Even from the bench. I feel his absence was the first intimation. The fact of Saka not being there- as a presence- I feel was felt palpably by everyone, and I would hazard a guess, even by the players themselves.
Apart from his Gifts as a player, it was palpable on the day that Saka has a force as a talisman. And we were without him on our bidg day. The other thing, of course, is that we missed Saka the player on the day. I think the mood of everything would have been that much more buoyant if Saka was there, far less our quality of play on the day.
This was one of the first big games we've played in years without Saka on the putch or bench. It does give us a sense of how integral he is to us in so many ways- but it also alerts us to the fact that we have to diversify our pantheon. We need other lucky charms...
Clear hand ball lol. Oliver didn't want to spoil the day. Not like him. Jesus leaning into it arm first lol. Brilliant 😂
I think it was impowe won so thanks Oliver but you still owe us a few
Clearly NOT handball.
JFC.
I watched City game today. They were excellent. Miles ahead of our performance.
Who cares?
@@Arseblog no one about someone opinion on something they haven't seen. Like some Christian hold a banner outside a cinema protesting abiut The Last Temptation Of Christ without seeing it. Since we drew with City they have scored 12 more goals than us. Many with total conviction. We need to learn from them not scorn them. They can be boring when not at sparkling best agateams that sit in. They try not to get exposed, exactly the tack Arteta has taken. On form they platmy football Arteta aspires to so get ready to be bored
Man U were crap until PL money and coverage made them global super power. Not much different from City and Chelsea. Rules to protect bankruptcy fine but rukes to protect big clubs is wrong.
The charges are bollocks. What is wrong is Arab dystopian states and USA billionaires owning our clubs.
You must be too young to remember the great Man United sides of the past. To say they were crap before the PL is beyond farcical.
Another outright stupid comment tbh.
@@housinauthority5258 lol. I remember Best etc. After that? Tgey had one more top flight title than Sunderland before PL and PL money. Tgey won European cup once year after Celtic won it with 10 blokes from Glasgow and a guy from Edinburgh. Go check your stats. Ferguson actually won one PL with 75 points.
Very different from Chelsea and Man utd. All or major sponsors of city are owned by man city owners. Essentially money from same source funneled in differently.
Man utd has one of the biggest fan base in the world and their marketing was years ahead of their time. Not a man utd fan but they were shrewd and did t legitimately.
@@jayadevanvijayan3756 what is legitimacy. Business model? Blackburn won tbe league as a vanity project. I detest middle east dystopian states but half our fan base that can affit probbeen on holiday to Dubai. Are the rules tgey broke legitimate? I wouldn't be sure Vieira deal didn't involve dodgy payments to Mendes. Harry Rednap as bent as a 7 bob note. He was out for personal gain too. Racing,boxing Football amhave been bent since time immorial. Ferguson wss tapping up teenage kids against the rules way back. Strip him 9f his titles.
If City get demoted its fine too. But we aren't as good or as well run as City yet. Hopefully they fall off next year but Pep success is not down to 12 year old financial dodgy deals. Its down to him and good management. Aspire to that not whinging is my point.
It takes huge character to do what City have done. Two if you sound pathetic with this whinging . Most football people have nothing but respect for this City team. They are brilliant and tge hypocrisy of liking us becom like them is , hypocritical. City won it twice by one point and now by 2. Its not like PSG. Your all sour grape nonsense.
Lets just go win it next season without whinging about finance stuff 12 years ago.
Most football people have a lot beyond respect for city......
@@kunimitsune177 never seen a real football person shiw anything but respect for Pep and his teams and achievements, yes