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The Big Arteta Debate! | The Invincible Podcast
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Robbie keeps talking down to ancelotti he’s won the prem, he had the best win percentage as an Everton manager since the 1960s put some respect on don carlo he didn’t spend half the amount at Everton as Arteta nor had a similar quality squad.
So you’re arteta out?
Ten Hag having more English trophies than Arteta is so funny.
Arteta has achieved more than him
@@noah2906 apart from actual trophies.
Achieved what?
@@noah2906what did arteta achieve? No trophies in 4 years?
@@lukey19920 A simplistic mind like yours what understand obviously
To beat Chelsea,spurs and United within 2 weeks is not a joke...It's not easy to win matches in that order.chelsea at home spurs are united away..
3 of the worst versions of those teams I've seen in my lifetime.
absolute nonsense those 3 teams are trash currently 😂
@@davidp8380spurs have been a lot better than the Mourinho years and the 2nd conte season
@@tigermouth11spurs get the job done but are awful when it matters. This ain't the title challenging 2nd placed spurs that make UCL finals 😂
@@user-ui6um6nt9v form goes out the window in a derby. A terrible Everton team beat a title chasing Liverpool.
Big up AFTV, great content all season long COYG
24:43 Liverpool's players never left cause they were winning trophies and regualry making CL finals and won one. Seriousely how deluded are these two?
Losing to West Ham, Villa and drawing Fulham and Spurs at home gave the title away not any ingenuity of Pep. Pep is beatable we just needed to win at home.
115 excuses for failure
Klopp only won the league once, but he also won every other trophy and got to multiple finals. Arteta is not doing that yet.
How long and where was Klopp a manager before Liverpool?
He joined Borussia Dortmund in 08/09 where he won back to back league titles, the DFB Pokal Cup and the DfB Supercup twice overcoming the mighty Bayern Munich so his record is in a completely different sphere to Artetas
@@jivet3919 Why didn't Arsenal show ambition and hire an experienced manager like Klopp?
@@DarrenTaylor-be5hf like who,,Ten Haag,Morinho,,Tuchel who stop Bayern from getting their routine Bundesliga title ?
Yet
Arteta has raised the level to something we haven’t seen in 20 years. Be careful what you wish for lads, Arteta isn’t perfect and he’s still got a lot prove but everything is there to be successful now, we just need to find those marginal gains by any means necessary. Let him cook and if by the end of it he hasn’t delivered the league or CL then we’ll discuss.
Let him cook
Arsenal got to a champions league final in 2006 and have won back to back fa cups since. You arteta sexuals are weird
@@mac10ner A CL final that was lost and he’s already won himself an FA Cup anyway. 2 out of Arsenal’s top 3 league performances ever are delivered by Arteta and the league is the only accurate way to see where a team is at. Ten Hag will still be sacked even if he wins the cup this weekend, ask yourself why.
Exactly, everybody can have their opinion, and I respect that, but I don't even understand the Arteta conversation. Be careful what you wish for. Remember we couldn't get in the top four a few years back.
The level is 2 places up from our usual 4th and at the same time that the top 4 aside from City in LIverpool, Chelsea and UTD have all been terrible. UTD now have had a better season and still sacking their manager, we need to really be doing the same if we're to try and start actually doing/winning anything
1 trophy in 5 years is crazy
When they’ve not been one of the best teams for the majority of that how is that crazy? For where Arsenal wanna be it’s not good but it’s not surprising.
@@jgooner894 Aretha is Brandon rodgers
relax, he is only in Phase 3 of 5, and Process 4 of 7 it takes time guys
@@Igetnorespecthahaha you taking the piss!
It's funny how Utd have learnt patience from Arsenal!
@@Igetnorespect What phase is Xavi Alonso in and when is Artetas process finally due to be completed?
Is Ty still waiting for City to dropped points? 😂
😅
I'm a Chelsea fan but the only reason why Arsenal lost the league is they are missing a 20+ goal striker.
which Arteta failled to buy, instead he bought your donkey
Liverpool made THREE CL finals, won the CL, won the FA cup, League cup, club World Cup, UEFA super cup, what have Arsenal won? Liverpool finished 2nd with 97 & 92pts pts totals we’ve never seen before for a 2nd place team, Arsenal got 89 you couldn’t even get 90pts.
Yo! Yeah Klopp is da GOAT for me. To he'll with the trophies, I rate him over Pep. But he's gone now. And we're going to be reminded of the stats you just put out, for a very long time to come.
:)
@@joelmiranda241 😂😂🤣 what ever makes you feel good
Klopps got a good 15years more managerial exp then arteta, and arteta is already beating him. So go f yourself with your forgetful stats
1 trophy in 5 years
More trophies for ten Hag in 2 years than Arteta in 4.5 years
@@pabloeskibar8076We are very much ok,no leaking roof,fan base is United,you don't know whether TenHag is staying or going
@@noah2906 u are ok with 0 trophies?
If we go by pundits...Arsenal shouldn't have dropped any points this season. Arsenal should have won all 38 games this season. If they won every game, they would have won the league.
I just can't believe other teams and managers haven't sussed that out yet. It's so simple, you shouldn't drop any points at all against any team, win them all and NEVER have an off day, have injuries or feel tired. It's not rocket surgery, its football.
Every proper team needs to be getting 114 points! , can't believe Pep only got a 100 that time. Useless!
City won the league with 91 points you came 2nd with 89. You win titles by winning not supporting west ham+ spurs so stop crying 🤣
To the person who said you have to win all 38 games the invincibles are really living rent free in your head.
To the person who tells everyone how to win titles go have a look at the totality of trophies in England and see who are the top 3. Who's crying?? 😂
People must be saying arteta out for clicks! Insane! He has brought back good times to the Arsenal and the best the emirates has seen! The majors are coming just have faith 🔴⚪️🏆
I gather you're under 30 ? some of us aren't and want success NOW, so should any serious Arsenal supporter
Ten Haug just won another trophy. That’s 2 in 2 seasons, while the almighty pep is in town. Only 1 for Arteta in 5. I can see why fans want arteta out. You don’t get remembered for coming second or having exciting seasons. How much longer you want to wait? They just have higher standards by the looks of it.
" Bought back the good times " says it all really all emotions with no substance hasn't won anything for 4 seasons but that doesn't matter what ever the Clubs PR say the gullible fans lap it up, hilarious fanbase
We haven’t won a trophy in 4 years
If no trophies in 4 years is “good times” I’d hate to see the bad times😂😂
I agree slightly about the Liverpool point but they did win the CL when they had 97 points, won the league the season after… then 2 years later was 2 games away from the quad and got to 3 CL finals all in… so the players were always in with a massive chance! If Arsenal don’t get to a CL final or win any silverware soon then who knows what happens
Robbie's take on Liverpool I'd embarrassing. Trying to belittle or compare to Arteta’s time so far is laughable.
@@FrankSolo367 No its not. Klopp getting to much praise for 1 Prem title in 9 YEARS. Wenger easily better than Klopp first 9 YEARS
@@matthewdoyle3877 Wenger made it to one champions league final and lost it. Klopp made it to more finals in two years. Go sit down.
Best show for ages, can’t believe julian has gone what an absolute result !!!! been crying out for this
Klopp won 9 trophies in 9 years with pep at city. Robbie with excuses. Also Klopp made it to many cup finals along the way. Arteta is way off the standards. These lot sound like there okay with waiting another 5 years for trophies.
Klopp have been in the business for long. He has taken Dortmund to a champions league final. So has the experience. For Mikel he will get there. Appreciate what he has done and stop being an ungrateful idiot.
@@jamesalphonsus9642 what has he done though? Got second place with one trophy and a dinner plate in four years? Giving Arsenal the worst trophy drought it’s seen in a while? Why did we sack Wenger just to end up with another nearly manager
We are ok with Arteta,Klopp only won 1 EPL title but you want Arteta to win it every season 🤡
You both need to raise your standards. No need for insults. Just shows your lack of intelligence. It okay to want to be the best you know. ETH just won the FA cup against the unbeatable pep. The worst coach and united team still managed to win a trophy. Its embarrassing.
Do you know the meaning of standards? That a team finished 5 points behind city and the following season chase them to the end with 2 points adrift and you talk about standard. ETH won FA cup, so did Mikel. Standard is your position after 38 games. Everyone could see what Arsenal can do and have done. What standard and improvement have united achieved in the league? Keep deceiving yourself.
A lot of clubs now look at Arsenal as the benchmark. The only thing Arteta and his boys are lacking is and EPL or CL trophy to seal their status. For those that don't want Arteta, who exactly would you rather prefer?
There is no benchmark to talk about until they win something. Especially after how the team performed in CL knockouts. These are the games where you set the benchmark. Unfortunately Arsenal still lacks something to be considered a top dog
Tuchel’s a proven winner
Zizou?
Well even an fa cup or carabao cup would be nice considering this is our longest trophy drought for a decade
@@Kevin-im1gj Yeah what we lack is winning a major. I do think some clubs are looking at what Arteta/the club is doing though, so maybe an example of a model, as opposed to a benchmark. But if Areta does go onto win majors, that's something else.
But you can have a number of different models potentially, it's finding one that works for your club and what the vision is, etc.
We haven't collected any decent fees yet. We have dead wood we can't sell that we renewed contracts recently.
Great season to be part of lads coygs! Last final push to the top we gonna do it next season and the season after. We gooner be the team in everyone's head.
In the same year we won the FA Cup in 2016/17, we also lost 10-2 to Bayern
That was a horrible season to endure. So if we got top 4 and an fa cup next season I wouldn’t be satisfied
Challenging for the title is the most important because at least it city slip, we’re in there
Exactly, and sooner or later they will. If we sign a world class striker, a winger to challenge Saka, another midfielder, and a quality back up cb, we win the league.
"IF" FC. You're not making it top 4 when Liverpool/ Chelsea/ utd/ Newcastle/ spurs get their sh*t together. Farteta and the red spurs bottle jobs
@@Christislord172"if" "if" "if" "if" "if" signed all those already finished 2nd just to bottle it the next season back to back. A laughing stock really begging spurs/west ham to win it for you
@@user-ui6um6nt9v You said the exact same thing last season, and you all bottled it. ESPECIALLY Liverpool. Cry.
@@user-ui6um6nt9v you’re only replying because you know we are on the up and challenging for trophies. Sooner or later we’ll win the major trophies. Keep being salty though, and try to stay relevant. Also you’re obviously not a city fan because they don’t act like bellends. So Jog on.
When we bought Rice everyone laughed at Arsenal because they said he wasn't worth the price. We weren't just paying for his football ability. He's literally been a game changer.
And what trophy did you in with him
2nd + Rice = 2nd (Mourinho voice) Progress 😂
You failed in Europe and in every comp bottling the league finishing 2nd... You sign Declan rice for 100m just to do the exact same next season. Farteta and red spurs have no shame
@@Igetnorespect if you haven't been watching Arsenal this season then I can forgive you for not seeing the difference he's made. Otherwise shut your ignorant mouth.
@@H-rj7wg you're so smart and brave. I can tell by your handle how willing you are to stick your neck out on topics like this.
If i was Robbie or Lee judges i wld not question Arteta because is one of the best coaches we've had since Arsen wenger ,people forget that Arteta is young and his knowledge of the game is immense. Imagine coming second twice in the league from the best manager of all time. Put your energies elsewhere like how do we strengthen the team.
The club is stable,competing for major trophies, beating top 6 teams we couldn't beat,why would anyone complain?
Robbie, I respect Yardman’s opinion, but he’s not the yardstick for Arsenal opinion. For me, Mikel is the best thing that’s happened to Arsenal for years and I’m blessed to have had that feeling from the day he was appointed and I’m grateful for that belief. He really is taking us to new levels.
Now I don't care what anyone says...😉😉, this team almost feels like the 97/98 team, we just need an Ian Wright, Anelka and Petit. I think Rice is our Vieira (box to box). Martinelli or Saka (Overmars). Odegaard shows signs of Bergkamp. I thought Ramsdale was the nearest to David Seaman, Raya bit like Lehmann makes a few mistakes but is still a good keeper.
Great episode!! 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
Pretty ancelotti everton actually did really well he left half way through the season to go back to real Madrid
In years gone by, loosing was becoming the norm at Arsenal. Arteta has bought back the expectation to win and be dining at the top table again
I think we should wait till the end of next season to talk arteta after the progress we made we must not forget there are not any managers out there will come in and do a job
There are so many managers I would have over Arteta!!!!
Our home form cost us the title. Dropped 10 points. All the great teams have a 20+ striker
We have the right man.
I’m terrified that he gets taken away by Real Madrid or Barca.
We are so lucky to have Mikel Arteta.
Is cup competitions peps fault too?
We don't have a good squad yet.
Yes because Pep might watch the game and make the players nervous.
@@potentialswillrule so giving Jorginho a new contract makes the squad better?
Evidently.
The arsenal of the last decade wouldnt have survived that run in we just had pretty much unscathed
Thats a change in mentality
Many football fans suffer from the grass is greener syndrome. The sense that new managers and players will come in and solve everything.
i'm sure arteta never understand why he bought lokonga, tavares, mari, cedric, willian, marquinhos, etc etc...😂😂😂
The difference is not the players but the coach. We have a coach with low MENTALITY.
Arsenals improvement is always attributed to Arteta. But I attribute it to the internal development of our extremely talented young core. Saliba, Saka, Martinelli, etc. these players would improve regardless of manager 🤷🏽♂️
I'm not bitter. I'm very optimistic, not because we'll be better next season but because Man. City have still got to answer those 115 charges & many of them are very damming.
Arteta has done well but Unai Emery should have been given more time though, to be fair.
Exactly!!! Emery would have won the title!! He is a serial winner! And he took us to European final!!
Martinelli was not the same as last season based on stats, but there are others who have improved especially defense.
If only Arteta has some balls to engineer a win against City, just like Man U, we would have been Champions
Julian got any new medals?
I bumped into Lee a while back at Tottenham Hale he is a nice lad I am older than him. I think he was genuinely shocked when I told him my first game at Highbury was in 1968 and In 2000 I was working next door at Watford FC who I will always have a soft spot for.
The best managers score highly on recruitment, making average players better and drilling in a playing system that players can slot in and out of if required. Arteta scores highly on all counts. Plus versatility of style to boot, when needed.
Think you might want to reassess those scores tbh. Particularly around recruitment.
Tavares, Turner, Lokonga, Vieira what signings
Giving new contracts to Nelson and Nketiah - mastermind, elite level moves
@@Igetnorespect Nelson and NKetiah was to preserve some value for their sale. Tavares was cheap.
Rice? Odegaard? White? Timber probably....
@@Igetnorespect Paid 74m signing Pepe 10m to leave Genius!
Arsenal 8 points ahead (having played a game more so 5) with 10 to go. End with
City: 89
Arsenal 84
13 point swing
**Bottlers**
Liverpool 3 points ahead (of city) with 9 games to go. Ends with
City:91
Liverpool:82
12 point swing
**Overachieved**
Both a pair of bottlers 🍾
@@georgeyboy5256only Liverpool bottled it. Top for most the season and the easiest run in. Arsenal went to the last day that’s not bottling lol you rival fans in 8th got a lot of “bottle” down there 😂 you wish you was as good as us to be up there in the mix
@Ace-7AFC had it in your hands for 2 hours and lost. If that's not bottling it I don't know what is.
Because Liverpool ran out of steam with all their injuries. Plus they've won stuff. So we know they ain't bottlers. Arsenal haven't proven anything. You're bottle jobs. Deal with it
When people say it’s Arteta’s 5th year as Arsenal manager he shouldn’t be making any mistakes (which I think he’s made very few) it’s his 5th year as a manager PERIOD! First job, massive club, so many problems he’s had to deal with, club in complete decline when he took it on, it’s nothing short of extraordinary what’s he’s done… we are lucky to have him, if you don’t realise that you are not an actual Arsenal fan .. we should be grateful to Arteta, Edu and the Kroenkes!
I’m totally with your grounded realism Robbie. You keep us all on track with our expectant thinking and educate a lot of our new fans on what is reasonable Instead of having an entitlement that we have to just win everything. We have to work up to that and it takes time and real belief. Big up you, thank you for keeping it real 👍
Thinking about Rice's first season and who it compares too - there aren't many in the last 35 years that spring to mind. Dixon, Bould, Seaman, Wright, Limpar, Vieira, Overmars, Petit, Campbell (Anelka, Silvinho, Gilberto and Sanchez had very good first seasons but not at the same level). Great company to keep.
5-0 vs Chelsea was my fav game of the season…..they’ve had it over us for the last few years and getting that win at home was so,awesome
I'm sure emery is laughing in the corner beating you x2 this season destroying your title. He took the league away from farteta and gave pep a refund 🙌
A great season is Only when you win trophies, we had a good progressive season
So in the last 7 years only Manchester City and Liverpool (once) had a great season
@@jojolouisThe only teams that have had great seasons without winning anything are the teams who have very little chance like Brighton, Brentford etc. So unless you think Arsenal is that level of club, no they did not have a great season and haven't had a great season for a very long time.
Lee is the most likeable person on AFTV god bless this men
Everton where good when Ancelotti was there. After he left everything broke down
I must admit that I honestly thought that you'd win the EPL over us? (Man City) Up until the Villa game, I didn't see that happening, and from then on I thought you had lost the chance and I knew that we'd win every game. We always do, if someone gives us a chance.
When is summer transfer starting
Robbie will make up 1000 excuses for Arteta before admitting his flaws. The guy's stubbornness is what cost Arsenal the 2 recent leagues, and all the cups over the past 4 seasons
40:30 that game against Norwich was when I bookmarked Gabriel as being our most important player!
He didn't play the first 3 matches and we lost.
I backed Arteta from the beginning. I also backed Emery from the beginning. I always give managers a lot of leeway because they are not the only ones responsible for how teams play on the pitch and I think a lot of fans these days only want to look at the managers for being at fault because they don’t want to admit that they are players that they love, share responsibility
Thumbnail is the Prem Liverpool won. Been so long they've forgotten Arsenal's ribbons are red and white 🤣🤣🤣
Why anyone would want to go to Dubai in the summer is beyond me.
Arteta has done an excellent job at Arsenal in recent years seasons. Attending the matches and the atmosphere at Emirates is brilliantly. But there is clearly pressure now to win silverware next season. It has to be the next step.
I'm a City fan and I really enjoyed this Podcast, it's a good honest review of the season and as Arsenal stand now as a club. I know Robbie you get a lot of stick from fans but at least in my opinion you give your honest review on games teams and players as you see them and I for one like that.
A lot of people forget the interview when arteta first came in where he said things would get worse before they get better. Fast forward arsenal have improved dramatically.
Loved it. Respect to you and respect to Arteta
I’ve actually had to unfortunately unsubscribe from a few other platforms due to the constant bashing of arteta I find it ludicrous I really do and I was unsure on him up until two seasons ago. However look at us now the way we play our defence is so good thats all him! Big up Robby n Lee 👊🏻
Why Robbie says all the time about Southgate that he done nice things and all of that but needs to be sacked because he can’t get it over the line and that’s his ceiling
Why he ain’t using the same logic for arteta?
Just trust the PRocess and stop using your brain.
It’s not the same thing at all
Good point that arsenal squad is closer to Denmark than France. England are up there with talent though. There's 1 arsenal player that will get any minutes in the euros what does that tell you?
@@jivet3919 Wtf do u know plastic?
The amount of players that have lefy Arsenal and won leagues and European trophies. These 2 are deluded
Would you take what Klopp has won at Liverpool right now, or would you still gamble?
It's absolutely ludicrous to think people want Arteta out. Some of our fans can be unbearable sometimes
Anyone who says that is really a spurs fan in disguise
Weve won fuck all. If we win nothing again next year he needs to go.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion Lauren! I would have others over 2nd hand man of Pep!!!
Emery is second best after Arteta!!!
The silly Arteta debate*
When you start to dismiss any topic regardless of what it is by calling it silly and attempting to take it off the table for discussion that is when things become dangerous. That's where fascism is born my friend.
We're talking about who should be the manager of Arsenal not the UK Prime Minister! It's only football mate chill out
@@davidp8380 Silly Arteta debate
Lee was talking out of backside, Arteta's Rice signing is way higher than Rio Ferdinand in 2002. 30,000,000 in 2002 is 61,000,000 with inflation. But nice try, SAF actually won trophies and in terms of the squads as a whole it was nothing like the talent Arteta has imported to Arsenal in every position after spending 700m. Saka is the only club grown talent right?
@@davidp8380 Fascism is a conservative ideology
No Julian so I tuned in, great episode
You just don’t have a refined enough palate for Julian
I couldn't stand Julian until this podcast, effortlessly funny and outrageous, I actually believe he's trolling most times
This guy really compared Everton situation to win trophies 😂 Then he says Arsenal were in a mess and would take 2/3 seasons. Ancelotti is one of the best of all time.
Beating Chelsea 5 nil and winning at Tottenham, best games of the season , 2 teams we hate the most ...
There is no debate needed.
Arteta has done wonderful things as manager. Well done. Keep going 💪💪
4 trophy less seasons on the bounce
Well done. Keep going
@@DarrenTaylor-be5hf Dont be entitled,,,
1st time i've agreed with everything these 2 have said 100%
Where's Julian and his medals...
More trophies for ten Hag in 2 years than Arteta in 4.5 years
All this noise and it is literally 1 more.. damn.. y’all really have to troll harder 😂
36:36 That "mess" won him the FA CUP! Just saying...
Finally, an invincible pod without Julian 😁
Cmon ,brodda Juli is 👍 😮😂
But Liverpool did well in cups and won the champions league
I do agree with Lee. This year’s City league win has left me cold, which is unusual for me as I recognize their achievements. Last year they were amazing and thoroughly deserved it, but this year I feel they’ve ridden home on their reputation and a popular belief that they will win it. Fair play, they won the league which isn’t easy but I honestly believe we’ve played the better football this season just like I thought Liverpool played the better football when they just lost to City in 2018/19. They really didn’t impress in the FA cup final today. The tide might just be turning so I’m looking forward to next season. Goodbye City. COYG !
Hopefully France don't play Saliba lol. Hopefully no players get injured at euros
The joke is man ute and Chelsea are looking at Championship managers
Don Robet Forget Leverkusen When a Hold Season Unbeaten
Lee judges struggles to copy and paste the link for fourever arsenal ain’t no way he’s using etorro
Everton were NOT poor under Ancelotti. What is this guy on about?
(As a neutral) the only thing that saves Arteta is that they lost out on the title by less than three points. Apart from that Arsenal never played in any finals or semi-finals (let alone won a trophy). He gets one more year, even if they finish second next year, he's gone. "Moral victories is for minor league coaches" - Ye
I love what Arteta is doing at Arsenal and think it would be idiotic to want to see him leave. That being said, he does tend to get ahead of himself at times. I think he should try get the basics right and win trophies doing that before trying his experiments. I don't think he has the squad nor accolades to do what he wants to do. Needs to be patient, sometimes he unnecessarily does too much.
Both seasons we've lost the league because of ourselves, not City.
People who want Arteta out say to people who want to keep him are deluded. It's an agenda against him. Yes you're right Robbie, be careful what you wish for. We didn't win it because we couldn't keep the momentum going, we beat city and never lost, and we beat all the other big teams, so I don't think city and Pep stopped us.
I do think if Arteta didn't play around at the start with players in usual positions, then we could have gained more points at the start of the season. No team can lose more than 4 games to win the title and we did, that is how we didn't win the league. That's not because of city, it was the same when utd was top dog and then Chelski.
But I still want Arteta to stay and keep building, win us the league and CL and keep building until he's won everything he wants to achieve at Arsenal. 👍👍⚽⚽
There’s one common denominator why we lost to West Ham and Villa at home, we were all over them but weren’t clinical enough.
We need a WORLD CLASS finisher.
Who?
Good podcast, but it’s not a great podcast without Lee and Julian together!
I like Arteta, however he does not take cups seriously and there is some favouritism in his fielding of players. His ego will ruin him. About Pep, he is the best but the mindset that teams and the media have of thinking he does not have any mistakes, make it difficult for other teams to focus on beating them.
Remember when everyone laughed at “the process” when Arteta came in? Who’s laughing now 😂😂😂
More trophies for ten Hag in 2 years than Arteta in 4.5 years
Newcastle want nearly £200m for 24-year-old Sweden striker Alexander Isak, who has been linked with Arsenal
Lol. Who said that?
Great signing, pay da moneyz
king arteta top manager, without a throphy for 4 years , that sound like any other pl manager
It's funny how this two are not mentioning the other competitions.
You can not claim you "progressed" if you not include ALL competitions. Not only the League!
I can't you having a conversation about arteta
I think he was like head hunted because he was offered the job before Emery and he refused to be PEP's number 2 and immediately after sacking him offered him the job again
I am an arsenal fan and I think Arteta can succeed but this is not a well balanced argument; you guys are forgetting that Klopp although he won the league once he was winning every other trophy too; league cup x2, FA cup x2, UCL x1 and he got to at least three other finals!! Arteta has only won an FA cup and reached two semi-finals in five years!!! Not a great record tbh.