Bible Messianic Prophecy 3 - Messiah ben Joseph or ben David Two Messiahs? Mottel Baleston, Teacher
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- Bible Messianic Prophecy 3 - "Messiah ben Joseph" or "Messiah ben David" Are there Two Different Messiahs? Mottel Baleston, Teacher
DID THE RABBIS BELIEVE IN TWO VERY DIFFERENT MESSIAHS? WHY DID THEY FOCUS ON MOSHIACH BEN DAVID WHEN WE NEEDED MOSHIACH BEN YOSEF FIRST?
This series on Messianic Prophecy in the Hebrew Scriptures (Old Testament) examines those passages predicticing the coming of a Messiah and Savior. Each part is 27 minutes, and was filmed in 2020 by our friends at GLC, God's Learning Channel at their studios in Texas. They have a fine ministry, and deserve your prayer and support. Their contact info is on the videos.
Mottel Baleston was born into a Jewish home in New York City and attended Jewish and public schools there. He came to faith in Messiah Jesus after reading the Messianic prophecies in the Jewish Bible. He is Director of the "MESSENGERS OF THE NEW COVENANT", communicating the Good News of Messiah to the Jewish community, discipling Jewish believers and educating Christians concerning the Jewish roots of their faith. He has served as Messianic Rabbi of a Congregation in New Jersey, as well as a Hebrew class instructor. His articles appear in Ariel Magazine, and his teaching videos on several online venues.
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Thank you Rabbi Mottel Hearing the Word of God through a Messianic Jewish rabbi helps so much!!! Shalom
Thank you for explaining Ben Joseph and Ben David. My son in law is Jewish and I am trying to write back and forth with him comparing Genesis from Christian viewpoint and letting him explain his viewpoint. I pray we can keep our discussion peaceful and that sometime he we see Jesus as both Joseph and David.
I learned about this on One for Israel. This is phenomenal! This answers so many questions and a part of the puzzle that we were missing. Thank you!!!!
Such great teaching! I’ve only listened to the Christian side but it’s so much deeper from our Jewish brothers!!!! Thank you Yeshua!!!
Thank you Rabbi….such a beautiful explanation, I am Catholic and enjoyed your explanation, I have become a better Christian by listening to various podcast by messianic Jews on the scriptures!
I wish my Jewish friends understood this! Yeshua even had an adopted father named Yosef! He was LITERALLY Messiah ben Yosef!
I am so glad I found this channel. Thank you for a great teaching!
You are so welcome! Mottel
I learn a lot from your teachings. Thanks for Jewish perspective. It means I can learn more about the roots of Jesus and the history of the Bible.
Hi Benjamin, So glad it's a blessing. Shalom, Mottel
Amen one messiah, two appearances
Very informative so many good points in this video from Old Testament to New Testament who can preach gospel better than jews? This is just what God wanted from his chosen people for so long thank you so much rabbi on this episode 👏👏👏
Hi J.B, thanks so much for your kind words! It is a joy to teach these things. Mottel
Excellent lecture Rabbi! Jesus is the Messiah!
Doctor David Mitchell has a great book on this. He was on a podcast with One for Israel. Super insightful!
Yes, I've been recommending the Mitchell book since it came out. This video was filmed before that book was issued, based on material Dr. Arnold Fruchtenbaum researched & taught in his classes many years ago. On my later videos I've urged people to purchase the Mitchell book, he did a very through research on this important subject. Big contribution to scholarly research.Shalom, Mottel
Thank you for the good biblical information to learn more about Jesus!
Our pleasure to share and open God's Word !! Shalom, Mottel
This remain its also beautiful Tank you very much Im Christian Jesus was Jewish and lived Jewish Im Christian lov you all that See this Massage Jesus is Lord. I wish you for all Jews people in this Time very God plessing Im praying for Israel Im stand with Israel , I love you Jerusalem Israel from us Switzerland ❤️🇨🇭🙏🙏🙏❤️⚘️🍀🇸🇻🇸🇻🇸🇻
Merry Christmas Mottel.
Love it!
Thank you.
Shalom!
Shalom Shalom brother
AMEN!
Love your studies ♥️
Thanks so much, it's a joy to teach the Word !! Mottel
I would really like it you had a deep scriptural analysis of discrepancies between Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek.
very interesting
Glad you think so!, shalom, Mottel
As usual Rabbi Baleston has given us a very clear understanding in this episode. My takeaway is that if the jews has been sent a messiah ben David he could possibly have taken care of the roman occupation problem but that would leave them with the sin problem, sometheing that messiah ben David could never have done. The jews (and all of us) have the sin problem and this is what needed to be taken care of, the ocupation problem under ben David would accomplish nothing. Rabbi Baleston said it right, we all need to get right with God, "alll have sinned", we all need Jesus. When the jewish people insist that he, Jesus failed to accomplish all the things they feel he should have done they fail to see that jesus had to first address the sin problem that is in all of us, to the jew first and also to the gentile, sin is everyone´s stumbling block and we all need to have this taken care of first!🙏Israel Perez viewing and learning from Guatemal, C.A.
He told you he was of the Seed of David, through his Mother, and that of the Bright and Morning Star!
Interesting. The Messiah ben Joseph was rejected by his brothers, delivered to estrangers, presumed dead, but was alive and prospered among gentiles. After, his brothers met him again and recognized that his dreams were truly from God.
Thus, Jesus fulfils the Samiritans' expectations of a messiah Ben Joseph. The samritans were not looking from the Jews.
Thank you for explaining Messiah Ben Joseph, as a Christian I have always seen Jesus as Messiah Ben David, especially since his genealogy is Davidic, through his step father Joseph and through his mother Mary, this was through the levitate marriage laws and laws for families with no sons for their daughters, and Mary was an only child. I know that the Davidic lineage of Jesus was never questioned in scripture. But I am glad to know that Messiah Ben Joseph also fits Jesus.
Mottel Baleston. We have a common friend who says you are in his class. Jeff A. From Alaska. I want to try to get you up here to teach us, maybe over a few days but I’m not the guy to make that happen. We could learn a lot from you
Yes !! Dr. Jeff A. is an excellent Instructor, a real believer and an Old Testament Scholar. I've now had him for two classes, and I just signed up for a third coming up: Second Temple Judaism. I particularly appreciate his PowerPoints accompanied by Audio Lectures. His gentle diplomacy in refereeing an online required discussion on the place of Mosaic Law for believers was skillful, clearly the result of years of experience. My current schedule for the next year probably rules out Alaska for now. All the best, Shalom, Mottel
@@messengersmessianicjewisho1058 Lol, we will see what God does. Let me know as soon as someone cancels
Good teaching, exelent❤
From India
Thanks and welcome, Shalom. Mottel
awesome brother
Thanks so much Angelo, blessings & shalom. Mottel
That’s why the people called Jesus Son of David
2 Messiahs! Today Messiah worships Jesus! Jews are waiting for Moshiach.
This helpless baby and suffering Jew is the only G☦️D Whom makes any sense.
EXCELLENT. I AM A CATHOLIC AND U EXPLAIN THING VERY VERY WELL. CANT WAIT FOR NEXT PART .SHALOM. MAYBE ORTHODOX JEWS SHOULD LOOK AT THE NEW TESTAMENT AND MAKE THEIR JUDGEMENT WITH COMPLETE KNOWLEDGE INSTEAD OF HALF KNOWLEDGE, IE ONLY OLD TESTAMENT .
Or Yinon Emet
Is there a book that I can get that has this information besides the Talmud?
Yes, the book is "MESSIAH BEN JOSEPH" by David C. Mitchell,
Campbell Publications. I highly recommend it. be well, Mottel
Todah Rabah!
what about shiloh
Specifically, what are you asking or suggesting?? Thanks, MB
You are committing a *CHILLUL HASHEM* w/your nonsense.
Chaver yikar,
That's a very heavy accusation, and it rests or falls on only one issue:
Was Yeshua Moshiach ben Yosef ??
In the first century CE, tens of thousands of Yehudim dat'tim saw the
messianic miracles and were convinced that He was Moshiach ben Yosef.
You are looking for Moshiach ben David, but Moshiach ben Yosef had to come first.
Re Moshiach ben Yosef, this is what the Vilna Gaon said:
“This is one of Yosef’s attributes. Not just in his generation but in every generation,
Mashiach ben Yosef recognizes his brothers and they do not recognize him.
It is an act of the Satan which conceals Mashiach ben Yosef’s attributes,
such that the Jews unfortunately do not recognize his footsteps and in fact scoff at them…
If not for this, our troubles would already be over.
If Israel recognized Yosef, Mashiach ben Yosef footsteps comprising the ingatherings
of the exiles, we would already be completely redeemed.” -
(Rabbi Eliyahu of Vilna - The “Vilna Gaon” 1720-1797 Kol HaTor 2:39)
Many other Gedolim said similar things about the concept of Moshiach ben Yosef.
No, my laying this out is not a Chillul HaShem, it is pointing to HaKadosh Baruch Hu.
b'Ahavat Yisrael, Mottel