@ToddGravesGolf Been watching your videos over the last 3 months. Brought your book and im currently at transition/downswing. 38yrs at golf struggling to know how to improve and ive been stripping it. Still lots to do, but thanks Todd. I loved the way Moe was represented and honoured in your book. Respect! 👍
One of the first feels i tried in the beginning of my Single plane journey. Left arm over right arm especially into impact , a different feel opposite of coming over the top type feel. Impact that day became robotic and pure. Thank You, Graves Golf!
My eureka moment watching the great man is as follows. I'm trying to get my hands to high in my backswing which pushes them out of plane & makes it hard to achieve something remotely close to the "verticle drop". I've been struggling for a few years now with this. I now know what regime my winter practice will be
Perfect demonstration, this makes the downswing much easier. Drop the trail shoulder down the elbow goes in the pocket the lead hip moves forward and draws follow.
It truly is helerious that he doesn't do 90% of what he's saying he's doing. I finally can do this swing when I realized that and paid more attention to what Todd says than what Moe says.
Would you not agree, that even though you talk about rotation going back , some might not feel it rotate? And if it rotates back, would it be more difficult as the club gets longer to rotate it back to square? AS a former teaching PRO with Jimmy Ballard WE never talked or taught any kind of rotation, now I find myself wondering about it!>>>thanks and a great presentation!!!
@@rangepro IMO - you must model. measure - and get feedback- so you match feel and real. I don’t repay much attention to what people feel as long as their feelings match the model.
2:25 - That is so true. There were many things I discounted, but later realized it had validity, but I didn't know at that time. Many people take Moe literally every time, but sometimes he spoke figuratively, just like when he said Hogan wanted his hand in his back lead-side pocket. It was obvious Moe was speakin' figuratively not literally. Or in other words, he was tryin' to convey a feeling, which reinforces something that he knows works consistently.
It sounds nice and is a common belief but great players do not externally rotate the trail arm during the downswing although they do during the backswing as measured and reported by Athletic Motion Golf concerning the swings of multitudes of tour players. You can see that when you demonstrate the motion that the clubhead is dropping rapidly behind you however a quick examination of what is happening with Mo disproves that notion in that his shaft is staying much more vertical than your demonstration. It is more a function of trying to put the hand in the pocket coming from a more vertical trajectory. So the trail hand is kept as far towards the rear of the body as possible against the trail hip coming forward and while the clubhead is allowed to come forward, as it must. This balances the steep and flat of the clubhead descent perfectly and allows for a full and square release of all of the levers that are being utiilized in the downswing. Cheers.
Works great on my tee shots........drives consistently straight. Not so much on irons yet.......not compressing. Keeping the right or rear heel down at impact and only coming up well into follow-thru but still not helping iron strikes.
On which extent that kind of swing would be reliable for a 6.2 tall player like me? I don’t even know how I could replicate those moves. Is the only purpose to make clear for everyone the necessity not to come back over the top? Not critizing, those are real questions. I suffer from huge inconsistency since I started playing golf 23 years ago…😢
im 6'3, and I dont think the wide stance and forward knee bend is the crucial part of this swing. To learn the movement it really starts with a wedge. Its the grip, 50% swings, and sequencing. The principal of this swing isnt the wide stance or even the setup, those things are just advancing and honing the key fundamentals. The principal is that no matter what, if you get the club on the ball, the ball will go basically where you are aiming because there just isnt enough room for error. Once the fundamentals are in place, end game maneuvers will probably be more personal preference, but most people seem to focus on the end game maneuvers first and the fundamental second. The fundamental of this swing is a hammer strike and a throw, and maxing out right shoulder socket twist for consistency. 90% of this is grip, you can achieve some of it with a neutral traditional grip, but that will require rolling wrists through impact which will be subject to timing, and even a 1/2 inch of slide or staying behind will cause pushes pulls slices hooks draws or fades. Taking the super strong right hand grip and karate chopping through impact makes it no matter what your "release" will be square. Now when you are off a 1/2" you may hit the ball lower, or higher, but you will hit it straight. So you are trading left and right misses for height misses (we all know that a PW hit with a delofted face often goes about the same distance as a pw hit with a little bit of added loft). So the miss is much much much more manageable. so just to summarize, moes setup with a PW is basically traditional golf posture, arms more down, feet closer together. Learn the sequence and move with a 50% PW before you apply it to anything else. If you cannot hit your PW to 100yards with less than 5yds left or right dispersion, then you are doing something wrong.
@@I8l Ok, interesting. In between I was specifically looking at this hammer strike but then saw a video from Xander saying it was too demanding timing-wise. Now I guess he did not integrate the super strong grip in the criticism. To be complete, he was speaking about the shallowing starting the downswing.
really is funny, the "level" of understanding of this swing. 8 years ago when I first tried it out, i didnt really understand it. Shifted back to other swings here and there. 8 Years later, i have "arrived" back to this swing, not because I have said oh man lets give moes swing a try. Its purely because of the greater understanding ive developed of the swing. After gaining knowledge and literally changing my swing every couple days for 8 years in a row, ive come to the understanding of a few things, and it brought me pretty close to this exactly setup and swing. IMO the single most important thing to this swing is the grip. You HAVE to have your right hand under the club (literally the face is perpendicular to right hand palm, like a hammer), basically karate chopping, and never turning over. Once you can get this grip you will need to give your body TIME, because syncing it like your old swing will give you nasty hooks/pulls/OTT. The ONLY way to square the club face with a super strong right handed grip is with your right elbow. The right elbow has to start the swing, it must move towards the target, this will naturally drop the club behind you. If you just swing without the elbow firing first, you will come over the top, or sometimes hands will turn over during impact.
@ToddGravesGolf Been watching your videos over the last 3 months. Brought your book and im currently at transition/downswing. 38yrs at golf struggling to know how to improve and ive been stripping it. Still lots to do, but thanks Todd. I loved the way Moe was represented and honoured in your book. Respect! 👍
One of the first feels i tried in the beginning of my Single plane journey. Left arm over right arm especially into impact , a different feel opposite of coming over the top type feel. Impact that day became robotic and pure. Thank You, Graves Golf!
You are doing the world of golf a service Todd - thanks
Great video, thanks for sharing.😊
You are so welcome
My eureka moment watching the great man is as follows. I'm trying to get my hands to high in my backswing which pushes them out of plane & makes it hard to achieve something remotely close to the "verticle drop". I've been struggling for a few years now with this. I now know what regime my winter practice will be
You can hear the pure in the sound of the strike
Perfect demonstration, this makes the downswing much easier. Drop the trail shoulder down the elbow goes in the pocket the lead hip moves forward and draws follow.
It truly is helerious that he doesn't do 90% of what he's saying he's doing. I finally can do this swing when I realized that and paid more attention to what Todd says than what Moe says.
I think it's more of a feeling than the actual movement
Hey Li'll Moe, your swing is looking smoother these days.
I’ve seen lots of video of Moe but none that shows the ball in flight. Would be nice to see that.
Would you not agree, that even though you talk about rotation going back , some might not feel it rotate? And if it rotates back, would it be more difficult as the club gets longer to rotate it back to square? AS a former teaching PRO with Jimmy Ballard WE never talked or taught any kind of rotation, now I find myself wondering about it!>>>thanks and a great presentation!!!
@@rangepro IMO - you must model. measure - and get feedback- so you match feel and real. I don’t repay much attention to what people feel as long as their feelings match the model.
How can is get a lesson in person from you?
Email me at toddg@gravesgolf.com. Thanks.
2:25 - That is so true. There were many things I discounted, but later realized it had validity, but I didn't know at that time. Many people take Moe literally every time, but sometimes he spoke figuratively, just like when he said Hogan wanted his hand in his back lead-side pocket. It was obvious Moe was speakin' figuratively not literally. Or in other words, he was tryin' to convey a feeling, which reinforces something that he knows works consistently.
One thing that I don't understand is how it is possible to square the club face from such a wide open delivery position?
The lead arm squares it
great players who have hit 10,000s of shots can square the club standing on one leg
Do you hit the ball with this method a foot behind the tee shot like Moe as well?
Yes. Because it makes the backswing easier.
It sounds nice and is a common belief but great players do not externally rotate the trail arm during the downswing although they do during the backswing as measured and reported by Athletic Motion Golf concerning the swings of multitudes of tour players. You can see that when you demonstrate the motion that the clubhead is dropping rapidly behind you however a quick examination of what is happening with Mo disproves that notion in that his shaft is staying much more vertical than your demonstration. It is more a function of trying to put the hand in the pocket coming from a more vertical trajectory. So the trail hand is kept as far towards the rear of the body as possible against the trail hip coming forward and while the clubhead is allowed to come forward, as it must. This balances the steep and flat of the clubhead descent perfectly and allows for a full and square release of all of the levers that are being utiilized in the downswing. Cheers.
Works great on my tee shots........drives consistently straight. Not so much on irons yet.......not compressing. Keeping the right or rear heel down at impact and only coming up well into follow-thru but still not helping iron strikes.
On which extent that kind of swing would be reliable for a 6.2 tall player like me? I don’t even know how I could replicate those moves.
Is the only purpose to make clear for everyone the necessity not to come back over the top?
Not critizing, those are real questions. I suffer from huge inconsistency since I started playing golf 23 years ago…😢
im 6'3, and I dont think the wide stance and forward knee bend is the crucial part of this swing. To learn the movement it really starts with a wedge. Its the grip, 50% swings, and sequencing. The principal of this swing isnt the wide stance or even the setup, those things are just advancing and honing the key fundamentals. The principal is that no matter what, if you get the club on the ball, the ball will go basically where you are aiming because there just isnt enough room for error. Once the fundamentals are in place, end game maneuvers will probably be more personal preference, but most people seem to focus on the end game maneuvers first and the fundamental second.
The fundamental of this swing is a hammer strike and a throw, and maxing out right shoulder socket twist for consistency. 90% of this is grip, you can achieve some of it with a neutral traditional grip, but that will require rolling wrists through impact which will be subject to timing, and even a 1/2 inch of slide or staying behind will cause pushes pulls slices hooks draws or fades. Taking the super strong right hand grip and karate chopping through impact makes it no matter what your "release" will be square. Now when you are off a 1/2" you may hit the ball lower, or higher, but you will hit it straight. So you are trading left and right misses for height misses (we all know that a PW hit with a delofted face often goes about the same distance as a pw hit with a little bit of added loft). So the miss is much much much more manageable.
so just to summarize, moes setup with a PW is basically traditional golf posture, arms more down, feet closer together. Learn the sequence and move with a 50% PW before you apply it to anything else. If you cannot hit your PW to 100yards with less than 5yds left or right dispersion, then you are doing something wrong.
@@I8l Ok, interesting. In between I was specifically looking at this hammer strike but then saw a video from Xander saying it was too demanding timing-wise. Now I guess he did not integrate the super strong grip in the criticism.
To be complete, he was speaking about the shallowing starting the downswing.
@@timbleking its really easy to do it wrong and bring timing into it
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1:22 - "Purify it any better than that and I'll eat your hat!" Absolutely have to love Moe.
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Truly helerious. But not hilarious.
really is funny, the "level" of understanding of this swing. 8 years ago when I first tried it out, i didnt really understand it. Shifted back to other swings here and there. 8 Years later, i have "arrived" back to this swing, not because I have said oh man lets give moes swing a try. Its purely because of the greater understanding ive developed of the swing. After gaining knowledge and literally changing my swing every couple days for 8 years in a row, ive come to the understanding of a few things, and it brought me pretty close to this exactly setup and swing. IMO the single most important thing to this swing is the grip. You HAVE to have your right hand under the club (literally the face is perpendicular to right hand palm, like a hammer), basically karate chopping, and never turning over. Once you can get this grip you will need to give your body TIME, because syncing it like your old swing will give you nasty hooks/pulls/OTT. The ONLY way to square the club face with a super strong right handed grip is with your right elbow. The right elbow has to start the swing, it must move towards the target, this will naturally drop the club behind you. If you just swing without the elbow firing first, you will come over the top, or sometimes hands will turn over during impact.