It's like I've argued. How would someone that's never lived in the Wizarding World know the racial derogatory terms for Muggle born's she's never lived to hear? Ron feels more like the Muggle than Hermione in the film's. How does an inexperienced muggle born know more than a pureblood wizard raised in the Wizarding world? It makes no sense.
@@islasullivan3463 She didn't. She was confused and puzzled at the word since she never heard it. Ron explained how it was a racist term in the wizarding world.
My favorite Ron/Hermione moment was actually in the second book. When Hermione was paralyzed, and right after Harry and Ron talked to Hagrid, they were deciding on wheather or not to go into the forbidden forest. Ron knew full and well that there were a lot of spiders there, which he is deathly afraid of. He looked at the empty seat next to him, where Hermione usually sat, and decided he was going with Harry. Its so subtle but powerful. I related a lot to him in that moment because I'm afraid of spiders too, and I know what that kind of fear feels like. So when Ron put his fear aside for Hermione I thought it was beautiful.
Great video. It’s sad how movie Ron was used for second hand comedic relief while book Ron was the first person Harry went to. Also, in the movies Hermione is shown to be a know it all on EVERYTHING even the phrase “Mudblood” when in the books, Ron was the only one of the trio who had extensive experience with the wizarding world and had to explain to Harry and Hermione. Once again the movies take this away from him.
Ot true. Just not true. Hermione, even thou she was not mudblood, always knew more than Ron. From day one. No matter in what topic. That's why I really dislike ron in the books, he is useless. He is often jealous of harry and is not smarter in any way than hermione or harry (well sometimes more than harry) jk Rowling really made that clear. At least in the movies he was kinda cute and was a comedic relief
and its quite clear in the book how EVERYONE who presumbly grew up in the wizarding world OR been there long enough - except Harry and Hermione (not just Ron) acted. here';s the quote from the book: Harry knew at once that Malfoy had said something really bad because there was an instant uproar at his words. Flint had to dive in front of Malfoy to stop Fred and George jumping on him, Alicia shrieked, "How dare you!" and Ron plunged his hand into his robes, pulled out his wand, yelling, "You'll pay for that one, Malfoy!" and pointed it furiously under Flint's arm at Malfoys face.
Alissa Dem agreed Ron was always second fiddle in *most* areas. Very glad he was funny in the movies else they wouldn’t have had much to go on with his character!
The books are about three friends who help each other be the best they can be and finally save the world from evil. The films however, are about a hero, his comedic sidekick and a mary sue staying basically the same for the same amount of time and, of course, saving the world from evil.
Ikr they completely ruined EVERYTHING (except the sets actors and most of the main plot) I'm sad for those who watched only the movies, or watched the movies first
I was so sad when I saw the ending of the half blood prince. I felt that they bluntly push Ron aside and it was all about Harry and Hermione's friendship. Or in the last movie when Harry is leaving to fight Voldermort and Hermione is like "I will go with you" and Ron is standing there awkwardly watching them. I watch the movies before reading the books and I felt that by the end of the series Ron and Harry were not good friends anymore like in the beginning.
I have yet to watch that movie without falling asleep once through it. I have tried to watch it 12 times now and even given myself energy boost and made sure I wasn't tired. The movie feels like work.
Exactly! In the books Harrys and Rons friendship goes deeper and closer through the novels but in the movies they became less good friends with each film. And that's why i liked Chris Columbus as a director. Because he understood the importance of Harrys and Rons friendship the Most Out of all directors. He did a really good Job with this relationship in the first two Films! David Yates focused too much on Harry and Hermione as friends, in my opinion.
@@micahfoote7270 then the movies? Yeah i kind of agree. I mean, the movies are nostalgic and magical but i think that if i didn't grew up with them i would've hated them after seeing what they did to the books.
@@randyjr.arsenio5624 but they are in no way better then the harry potyer books if that's what u meant (i don't think that's what u meant though lol), the books are just too amazing❤
I would love to add a few more things. Hermione refusing to acknowledge that Crookshanks may have eaten Scabbers was really just icing on the cake of Hermione is stuck in her beliefs. She is so convinced that her cat is perfect that she almost ruins a friendship because she can't say, I'm so sorry that Scabbers is missing and if my cat did it I apologise for that too. I know it can't bring Scabbers back, but I'm sorry. Ron didn't want her to fix it. He wanted her to apologise and it shows a growth moment for her. In the 4th book Harry clearly misses Ron. But the movies water it down and don't acknowledge Ron's valid anger. He's allowed to be angry. They also cut down so much of their romance that many movie only viewers truly lose sight of the fact that Harry and Hermione would be an awful couple.
They ruined lots of characters in the movies. My favourite character, Neville, was probably the one besides Ron that suffered the most. His only role was as a comical relief, and we didn't get to see anything of his character development, bravery or sad background story.
His character left a lot to be desired. His development was shown, but it was almost pointless without the Saint Mungo's scene. He did develop, but we don't get to see where it came from. We are not informed of his parents or how close he actually came to having Harry's destiny
Neville’s development in the movies was so incoherent and unsatisfying. It’s like watching Captain America: the First Avenger then skip to when he finally wields Mjolnir in Endgame. We know he’s worthy but we don’t know why he’s THAT worthy.
Ron and Neville were truly heroes in the books. Both of them had to go on a self-journey of one's own importance. Ron and Neville both had to deal with their insecurities yet they truimphed over them in the last book. And the movies just made them comic-reliefs. It's a CRIME and I'm so SALTY😒😒😒😒😒😒😒😒😒😒
Faerie Queen What I hate the most is that they dumbed down Tyrion, one of the most intelligent character of the whole franchise, to make Sansa Stark a “strong smart female character” (she’s a strong character by herself, even without that infamous rape scene)
A part I can NEVER get over when I watch Deathly Hallows Part 2 is when Harry is literally going off to DIE and he only really says goodbye to Hermione. Ron is again just kind of standing there not saying or doing anything or having any kind of reaction. What kind of person reacts that way to their childhood best friend telling them they're going to sacrifice themself to the most evil person in the world? Certainly not Ron!! It ruins it for me every single time.
i’ve always felt this way as well, but i’ve recently rewatched the movie and i’ve realized that harry and ron share a look while harry is hugging hermione and there is a tear going down ron’s cheek when this happens. it doesn’t annoy me as much as it used to because i think that a look says a lot and if they did hug i doubt that either of them would have been able to let the other go. however, i still do wish they would’ve had a bigger moment, but i think i have accepted it a little more than i used to.
Skye B Please don’t try to defend the movie. In the book, Harry sneaked out of the castle to face Voldemort without telling anyone. When Ron knew that he “DIED”, he openly defied Voldemort without fear that Voldemort told him to shut up.
Nirawit Karnjanasomwong i’m aware of what happens in the book, i’ve read it. i never said the movies didn’t do ron dirty. i know they did. rupert grint and ron weasley both deserved better. all i’m saying is my opinion on that scene. i think a look says a lot. that’s all. i wish they stayed true to the book and didn’t include that scene, but they went in a different direction clearly. i’m not defending the movies or anything like that, i know the books are much better. i’m simply saying my opinion on the scene.
One had so many conversations with people about how Ron and Hermione's romance was actually built up for the entire series and did NOT come out of nowhere like it seems to in the movies. Book Ron and Hermione are so good together and it makes me upset when I watch the movies and see how their entire relationship was ruined.
I disagree. I dont think the movies built up their relationship out of nowhere. Since the first movie they had little moments showing that they had stronger feelings for each other. Yes the books were better, but still
Sarcasm and Sci-Fi I still don’t see them together. Their personalities don’t connect as partners. I always thought that she and Neville would have ended up together. But the movies are a joke to the books. They’re great, I love them. But they left out too many important keys to connect with the characters and the story, and not only the world. Anyways, I just didn’t think that everyone should have ended up with their high school sweethearts.
yeah they didnt focus on romance buildin at all. i was totally shocked to see ron and hermione and harry and jenny out of NO where it felt like. harry had more romantic spark with the little asian girl that got caught by slytherin
I’m also extremely sick of “strong female characters” only being one dimensional with no flaws. You can be a strong female and have insecurities-that’s okay. That’s why I loved Hermione so much growing up reading HP. She wasn’t perfect and it was such a unique glance at the brilliant heroine but the movies completely ruined it. And Ron was my literary crush as a kid. Because he was everything that Hermione wasn’t and as a result I wasn’t. They were an ideal couple who took on a sort of parenting role to Harry, I think the films really messed with their dynamic
Its like the screen writer was so busy making a perfect female character her forgot not only Ron and also Harry sometimes, but all the other female characters in the books. Ginny in particular. She is so amazing in the books, she is witty, smart, don’t take Harry’s shit ever, and is completely her own person separate from anyone else. In the films she is always with someone, usually it’s Luna or Neville and she just relays some info, and she has no personality ! Ughhh
Don’t forget that in the books Ron is the one to dispel Harry and Hermione’s ignorance about some of the wizarding world. In book two Hermione doesn’t even realize the implications of being called a Mudblood until Ron explains it. The same for Hagrid’s giant heritage in Book 4. Ron is the touch stone for these two that didn’t even know about the wizarding world until they got into Hogwarts. He is amazingly smart, not in the bookish way of Hermione, but in a world wise way that makes him come off as prejudiced sometimes (see book 4). In the movies all of these explainations (if they get included at all) are given to Hermione, and your absolutely right it is a disservice to both Her and Ron.
And it's so much stronger to have RON be the one to remind Hermione that she IS a witch. Because it comes in later where her blood status is questioned.
It also makes sense given Hermione’s background. Being muggle-born, she’s only recently begun learning about magic and its applications. Her life beforehand would’ve been about finding mundane solutions. Ron, on the other hand, is the only one of the trio who grew up with a wizarding family. Even if he didn’t use magic before, he’s used to seeing it used in all manner of situations. So of course Hermione’s thought process would automatically go “need wood for fire” while Ron’s would go “use magic.”
Tell me about it! Emma Watson calls herself a "feminist" but she GAVE in to the sexist stereotype that the only way a woman can be considered smart/intelligent, is if everybody wants to bang her/ she's hot/ she kicks people's ass.
linusya_365 Luna wasn’t weak, nor were the women. The Harry Potter books don’t have many girls to focus on in the first place. Pretty much just Hermione, Cho, Luna, Lavinder, and Ginny. Out of them I would only call Cho and Lavender “weak” but we aren’t supposed to be rooting for them anyway. Unfortunately the movies did make Ginny weak (or at least weaker) when she was anything but in the books.
@@alyssakays367 Don't forget Mrs Weasley. As much as I dislike the fact that it was her who ultimately defeated Bellatrix, she was still portrayed as a very powerful witch for someone that spent the last twenty some years as a housewife.
I blame this on Steve Kloves and J.K. Rowling... it's like the more the movies progressed, the more she forgot about who her characters were meant to be at their core. Kloves didn't understand Hermione or Ron and what made them so special. It was so refreshing growing up to read about a girl who was nerdy, into school, and actually had panic attacks about her grades and tests. I saw so much of myself in book Hermione. And Ron has ALWAYS been my favorite, to see him snubbed in the films was so disappointing, especially because I believe Rupert to have the most talent of the trio and was so underutilized. Yeah I could rant about this forever. I hope they redo the series at some point as a TV show and do justice to the book characters.
No, It's ALL Steve Kloves fault, he revealed that his favorite character was Hermione, JK Rowling still made Hermione have some flaws in the books later on, so yeah, it is ALL Steve Kloves fault.
And J.K saying that she wished she paired Hermione with Harry made it even worse. Also she approved the cursed child without even reading it well enough. I don't consider it canon. She was once one of my heroes. It's so sad that instead of embracing and loving her artwork, she's regretting and letting others change and destroy it.
@@prishamehta8055 she's just doing this for publicity and unwanted relevance. She finally learnt her lesson when she declared herself a TERF. DoTA was already called.
1 book Hermoine : I need wood Ron: ARE YOU A WITCH OR NOT Last book Ron:I need crookshanks Hermione:ARE YOU A WIZARD OR NOT See they learn from each other edit: Merlin's beard thanks for so many bloody likes!!!!!
Ron standing on broken bones to either protect his friend or die trying is one of those moments that defines who he is as a character. Losing that in the movie was an absolute tragedy
I absolutely agree with all the points you make. Whenever I talk to people about how much I love Ron's character, I always have to clarify that I mean book Ron! And I find it SO frustrating that they turned Hermione into this perfect person in the movies. I love her character in the books because she seems real. As you said, her flaws are what make her character so great. Taking those flaws away makes her less likeable in my opinion, and kind of annoying to be honest. Great video anyway, very well said! And you've made me want to re-read the books again, which is always a good thing!
I used to have a crush on ron- and he till this day is my favorite corrector of harry potter. I don't consider movie ron is canon, though I appreciate the actor for actually acting good with that trash script
I'm so glad you mentioned Hermione calling Ron "Ronald". It annoyed me so much in the films, so out of character for her. Why did they do it? Great video, glad I found you channel!
What male writers always do wrong in writing strong female characters, is that instead of writing compelling 3D characters with flaws, like we women would write them (as we know we aren't perfect and that's what we want to see on screen), they write them as these unattainable perfect characters, because that's what they see. They want the perfect girl, the perfect woman they admire. We want to see a portrayal of ourselves. And we are definitely not that perfect girl and perfect woman. Even the most feminist male writers get writing female characters wrong because of this. I really like Joss Whedon though. He never wrote Buffy as perfect. She had so many flaws. She wasn't just a badass superhero.
That's a really fair thing to point out. Psychologically, men tend not to see women for what they are, but as an ideal that they build in their head. Getting past this image of women as goddesses is something that many men struggle to overcome in adolescence. And some of them never overcome it and they carry that delusion into adulthood (NiceGuys™). I was about to bring up Joss Whedon before I finished reading your comment lol. He's not the only man who writes female characters well, but he's probably the most prolific example.
I've seen many, many female writers create poor female characters. When I see them, though, I also will frequently see the logic of "young girls need to have someone to look up to!" Or, the easier explanation of inexperienced writers making the same mistakes no matter who they are. People think we want to see perfect protagonists, when we really want flawed and interesting ones. It's not about being male or female, it's about being a good and clearheaded writer...or not.
Could this also be said for female writers writing male characters? I feel like I do that in my writing, like, I don't intend to, but when I go back and read, I notice it.
Agreed. I'm rewatching the films now, and couldn't really pin down why I felt so annoyed by Hermione but I loved her in the books. You hit the nail on the head. And poor Ron, I liked him so much in the books, but in the movies... eh. Reading the books, I couldn't see where the Harmione ship came from. I can see it in the movies. A character who was awesome in both the books and films, though? Luna Lovegood.
Of course, why wouldn't she be? They gave Tonks' part to her. I adore Luna, but I wouldn't expect her to be stupidly moving about in the train while everyone else had left.
i loved how kind ginny was to luna in the books tho like she defended her against neville when he didnt want to join her in her compartment stopped ron from caling her loony once even tho she did it once as well snapped at 2 boys in her class for calling her loony
Any ship that isn't canon(harmione,dramione,drarry etc.) is from the movies, i don't care what anyone else says, J.K Rowling wrote the characters in detail and their relationship was written so well.
Eh... there's a basis for Drarry in the books. Agreed on the others, though, especially Harmione. Harry and Hermione have no romantic chemistry in the books at all. Each time they were alone together, there was something missing. And Ron and Hermione spent much more time together. I will say that in both the books and films, I don't really buy Hinny. I don't hate it, it's just... meh.
From my perspective Drarry became a thing because the romance between Ginny and Harry wasn't well developed. There was just much more chemistry between Harry and Draco. If I measured and compared how much time together spent the canon pair versus Drarry it would look like the only reason why the ship didn't become a real thing was because it would be gay. Honestly, all the drama, mutual obsession, constant rivalry, Romeo and Juliette like story... What the canon pair had? Childhood crush, once life saved (for Drarry it happened couple times) and some dating around before the war
@@angelikaskoroszyn8495 There is a rule for any healthy relationship: don't date your bully. A bully - bullied relationship is never good or healthy, that is why the Drarry doesn't work. It is an unhealthy relationship (in fact, in the future, they share a respectful, but distant relationship, not a loving or friendly one...too much bad things happened in the past, and they overcame them just through their mutual hate towards the war). The only moments were Draco was saved by Harry happened just because Harry is good enough to overcome his hate, and the only time that Draco saved Harry (just before trying to capture him for Voldemort) was because Draco was scared for the future of his family and was unsure about all the conflict. More also, the relationship between Harry and Ginny was just slightly rushed, but overall really believable. Harry clearly liked strong girls (Ginny was a tomboy, and Harry was constantly "turned off" by Cho`s depression...sure, It is insensitive from him, but we aren't discussing about that). Add the fact that he saved her from certain death by nearly sacrificing his life, add the fact that she is a Weasley (his "adoptive" family), and add the fact that Ginny is very similar to Lily both in appearance and character. Boom: Oedipus. Really believable crush. The only downside is that maybe Rowling did write Ginny as a Marie Sue, maybe because she was protecting herself in this red headed, strong females, and so the fans couldn't empathize enough with her. Still, why choosing to empathize with Draco instead of Cho? Even Rowling was obligated to confirm that Draco wasn't "inherently" good, but just a little coward bully, grow in the wrong family. Neither of them is the best pair for Harry, but Cho is surely better. 😂
@@chichi77tim I agree with us except for the fact that we see ginny can be a rude little bitch sometimes and I don't think she was a Mary Sue in any way. I also don't agree with Cho and harry because Harry was cho's rebound and rebound relationships are never healthy either.
Was so mad that they brushed over Ron and Hermione's big fight over Crookshanks. And almost threw up when movie Hermione explained her relationship with Krum as "its more a physical being".
I'm reading the books for the third time and when I got to the fight over Crookshanks I was thinking exactly the same. Why didn't they put it in the movies ? Both Hermione's and Ron's reactions were understable and I think that it gave more importance to the discovery of Scabbers' real idendity later on the book. Because we understood how much Ron cared about his rat.
The screenwriter: *writes a scene where Hermione confides with Harry on her relationship with Krum.* Ginny: "Maybe I should be there instead of Har-" Screenwriter:" I ToLd YoU Not tO sHoW yOuR UgLy FaCe uNTIL THe FiFtH MOVIE!!"
@@neepamehta4738 Lol. Also it makes more sense to see Hermione talking to Ginny about something given they're great friends in the book. It makes up for the 'physical being' and also gives Ginny some screen time.
I'm not that good at making memes but my point is that the movies completely ignored Hermione as well as Harry's relationship with Ginny. Ginny is best friends with Hermione and it's a great example of classic female friendship. They help each other, confide in each other and are always there for each other. Honestly Harry and Ginny are one of my favourite literary couples. In the movies they have zero interaction whereas in the books it clearly shows how much she cares about Harry, how she won't take crap from him, how beautifully she had handled her crush on Harry, and showed him who she really is. The movies focus very little on character development and what's even worse!-He didn't read the books before writing the script so it's pretty obvious kloves shipped harmony:'(
Why did you want the movies to put the fight about Crookshanks and scabbers? It doesn't show Ron and Hermione in a good light. The filmmakers didn't put it specifically to make Ron look like less of a jerk, and Ron/Hermione's dynamic as less toxic. Is that really what you Romione shippers want?
I likened one of my friends to Ron and he became very offended. But I tried to explain that is a good thing, but he didn't understand. But from watching this I understand! I was comparing him to the book Ron and he was thinking of the movie Ron (he had not read the books (shame)). So from watching your video it now makes more sense as to why the "disagreement" occurred!
Chyna Page yes I sometimes forget because I fill in the gaps in Ron’s character with my book knowledge that people who’ve only seen the films must think he’s awful! X
PoA is probably the best of the movies, but I HATED that they gave Ron’s heroic moment to Hermione. Why, why, WHY? That was one of the things about the movie series that irritated me and completely took me out of the movie experience. All your other points were valid too, I just had to express my frustration with that particular scene.
Omg it happened the exact same to me! When I was 10, I had this potterhead friend who would always discuss Harry Potter stuff with me. We liked to make stories about Harry Potter universe and we were always so mean to Ron. We would portray him as a dumb, dense and ridiculous guy while Hermione was the perfect, strong, intelligent girl. After all this years of questioning myself for that, I've finally realized that the movies made us view the characters this way. (Sorry for my bad english)
June Hazel I agree that the films ruined Ron and Hermione but if they remake the movies it would be with other actors and I can’t imagine other actors than Grint and Watson to play them it would be weird
AMAAZING video!!! I wholeheartedly agree with everything you said! Strong female characters do NOT equal to perfect-in-every-way characters!!! not only does hyper-idealizing female characters make them unbelievably dull and uninteresting to an audience of real-life people, but i think that it also sows a lot of insecurities in girls and women who then feel pressured to live up to this unattainable and perfected image of a person that society deems to be a “true role model”. And as for ron, diminishing his character to simply a subject of ridicule is also pretty annoying and terrible in so many ways. BOTH CHARACTERS DESERVE BETTER!! Anyway WELL DONE!
Yes I agree so much, and if girls feel they’re constantly not living up to this ‘perfect role model’ then they’re going to feel like they’re continuously failing! Thank you so much for watching! X
I always felt Steve Kloves wanted to suck up to Rowling by making Hermione impossibly and even annoyingly PERFECT, because Rowling had made it clear she had written Hermione with herself in mind. Rowling fell into the trap she managed to avoid while writing by allowing all these stupid changes I think, because she felt too flattered to be portraid as being 'perfect'. Her own childhood pains of not being accepted as the brainy girl that also could be cool and good looking at the same time in the eyes of others played out against her, Hermione, Ron and the few snippets of romance the books gave to make the later relationship between Ron and Hermione believable.
I heartily agree with you! Ron and Herminone are my favorite characters from the books and their love story is my favorite love story. It is unbearable to look at how the movies changed both of them for the worse, for it is not good to be perfect rather than good to be stupid. Ron and Herminone are important characters for the story because nothing Harry does in the books he could do without them. Okay, well, he'd always done well in Quidditch, but all the important things that happen in the books that Harry needs to solve he could never do without Ron and Herminone. Ron and Herminone are the perfect couple because they are true friends, even when they are arguing they still stand together, as when Snape calls Herminone unbearable, Ron protects her even though they are in the middle of an argument that made it in fact they almost didn't talk together without arguing. However, when Snape is rude to Herminone, Ron protects her even though he does have the punishment. They are the perfect pair because they dare to point the other way, Ron is almost the only one who argues with Herminone that makes her open to other ideas as time goes on. Harry does not, as he feels no need to point out things that may be uncomfortable. They are a perfect pair because they value each other and respect each other. They are a perfect pair because they complement each other and they know both each other's strengths and weaknesses, without judging each other for it. It is therefore incredible that there should be people who do not understand that they are together. In the book while in the Dumbeldores army, Ron is proud to have succeeded in disarming Herminone because he considers her a peer who is not easily defeated. He also feels nothing wrong with it when she manages to disarm him because he knows she is his equal, who can defend herself well. In the movie this is set up differently, Ron says he will not hurt Herminone as he thinks she is fragile and Neville tries to go in between so everyone can see what Herminone is considered fragile. Then the scene ends with Ron losing and saying that he allowed her to win because it was so bad for the audience to see him beaten by a girl. So film Ron made little of Herminone's talents while book Ron were aware that she was equal to him. I saw in an interview that this scene from the movie was considered a girl power, because Herminone defeated Ron when everyone pretended she could do nothing. However, I find it much more indicative of a girl's power as described in the book, as the boys regard Herminone as their equal that they can be proud to conquer and they can proudly say that she conquered them too.
The book Ron and Hermione are perfectly relatable people. And let's just not even talk about what they did to them in the film. Its inexcusable. I agree with ervery word of yours. It's like all my frustration with the underwhelming work that the movies had done was spoken by you! Thanks for the rant 😉
@@dilaisy_loone2846 I actually look up to ginny because I've always wanted to be someone who's pretty, funny, not afraid to speak my mind, and not letting people push me around.
OreoGaming I really don’t see the compatibility.i understand why Harry liked her, and she was already obsessed with Harry so the base was there. But Harry staying whit his only live interest for the rest of his life is just wrong, mostly because is not realistic when someone has ptsd. Unless is something born out of fear to be alone, but that will only prove more that they shouldn’t have ended up together. Idk, it’s like Hermione and Ron. It works because they know each other for a long time, but it really isn’t the most convenient nor realistic
As someone who basically only watched the movies, Ron was one of my least favorite characters, But I'm getting more respect for him now that I learn how he was in the books. It's unfortunate they had to bring a character down, to prop another up.
When I first saw the third movie when Hermione stole Ron’s line I just shut down. I was so pissed off that I didn’t even register the rest of the movie. Ron has always been my favorite character and I was looking forward to his moment so much because that line really cemented his place as my favorite character. That really ended my enjoyment of the movies in general because then I knew for sure that the director, screenwriter, even JK Rowling herself wouldn’t treat Ron as anything but bad comedic relief. Because book ron genuinely had some funny lines, but of course Ron couldn’t have ANY REDEEMING QUALITIES, THAT WOULD BE RIDICULOUS! What really made me mad was the introduction of Luna. In the books, GINNY introduced her because she knew her because she lived next door to them and was in the same year. Now, obviously the screenwriters didn’t want Ginny in just to introduce Luna, fair enough, but you know who WAS there? RON!!! He obviously ALSO knew Luna. Who did the screenwriters have introduce them to Luna?? HERMIONE! How exactly does Hermione know Luna? NO IDEA because as we’ve established Luna is a year younger AND in a different house. Especially since it was out of character for movie Hermione. Book Hermione was downright hostile to Luna once she found out her beliefs, but movie Hermione introduced her as “Loony” but never seemed to have an issue with her, I mean, why even put that in?
Yes thank you! Although I do have to say that Rupert Grint was probably the best actor out of the trio. (not hating, they're all great) Unfortunate that they cast him as useless comedic fluff.
Problem is Kloves was a H/Hr shipper so it was more of a "Harry and Hermione and their good friend Ron who they let tag along" rather then the Golden TRIO
The sad truth is that HP like any other book to movie adaptation that way more people will watch the movie than read the book, so most fans will just think Ron was pointless comedic relief. It’s quite sad too because Ron is one of the most likable characters in the series and isn’t even remotely close to how he’s portrayed in the movies.
I really liked your video ! What put me in a rage watching the movies was the part in deathly hallows where Harry jumps in the lake to get the sword, leading to his reunion with Ron and the destruction of the locket. The horcrux makes a last attempt to break Ron's spirits by 'confirming' every insecurity Ron has felt. Ron destroys it and, if my memory's correct, we see (from Harry's point of view) that Ron falls on his knees and shakes, so it's implied that he's crying and that his legs can't even hold him anymore after this *mentally exhausting/life-changing/mind-wrecking* experience. In the movie he's just like _meh_ and that's it. I mean, I had dealt with the movies' shit until that point but that was the cherry on top. Plus that was one of my favorite scenes of the book because it was a life-changing moment, both for Harry and Ron, so yeah, *annoying*
I can't remember the movie very well (because I'm an angry book fan and I refuse to watch them ever again) but I'm pretty sure that in that scene they took out the part where Harry tells Ron that he loves Hermione like a sister and he thought Ron knew that. It's a beautiful scene in the book where Harry, who usually has as much tact as a bull in a china shop, comforts and reassures Ron who's very upset after having one of his worst fears shown to him. Harry also realises how much he's missed Ron, and they hug. Urgh, the movies 😠
This is good. Ron is one of my favorite characters along with Luna Lovegood and ofc Hermione so I was so sad to see his character in the movies. Also I get so annoyed when ppl who has only watched the movies has audacity to say "I hate Ron" or "Harry and Hermione should have ended up together. Anyone who has read the books would have seen opposites attract chemistry between Ron and Hermione and would have picked up on Harry-Hermione's sister-brother dynamic. Also the Yule Ball was such an important part for their relationship and Hermione was not effortlessly cool in there like in the movies. She felt so insecure until that night that her "transformation" was such a big deal on that night. In the movie, their tension wit Ron is not consistently build up hence it just looks like Ron being grumpy.
Great video. But what I hated most about the movies is how they handled the torture sceen at Malfoy Manor. This particular scene in the books made me cry, because of Ron's desperation and the utter horror he felt during Hermione's torture. I'll never forgive them about how much they ruined that chapter.
Yeah right! And after that Ron's greatest fear was to see Hermione tortured (when he is encountered with a boggart that is what he sees) it was such a traumatic experience for him in the books and in the films all he does is looking kinda resigned
Not even just Ron's, Harry's too In the books it discribes Ron freaking out and screaming Hermione's name, Harry at first remains calmer and tells Ron to shut up so he can think of a way out of there but after awhile Hermione's screams get to him too. It's described in Harry's internal monologue as "the sound cutting through him like physical pain" and he's reduced to the same fruitless pacing and searching as Ron. In the movie they look only mildly disturbed. They didn't let Daniel or Rupert do that scene justice and I'm sure they both could've nailed it.
i Agree. And i have gone on a couple of rants of my own on the subject. Ron is my fav character, and i love reading fanfiction. But because of the movies alote of people don't like him and totally mischaraterise him in any story his in. Another thing i hate aboute the movies is that the totally messed up the ravenclaw uniforms and sign. It's blue and bronze NOT blut and silver, and it's an eagel not a raven. Anyway love the video.
Elin M yes I think he misinterpreted by a lot of people, even who read the books but because they saw the films first they think he’s mean or stupid etc. Agreed, about the Ravenclaw uniform too, it’s a shame in films with so much wonderful detail they made silly changes like that! X
Ohhhh the Ravenclaw uniforms. It's such a tragedy. I can't understand it. How hard is it to get the colors right at least? It's even worse that this is supposed to represent the "smart" house, plus most merch is incorrect.
Hey there. So I am someone who saw the film series first. I still love both Ron and Hermione and the build up in their friendship/relationship. Hermione is a great girl. Smart and brilliant and so capable of so much. Ron was a wonderful and supportive friend who jellied with Harry so quickly. He may have had his flaws but deeply care for Harry and Hermione despite any problems he had with either of them. Maybe because it was Rupert playing Ron in the way he did but apart from Harry, Ron ended up being my favourite character. As much as I admired Hermione, I can't really related to her in the film. This was nothing to do with how Emma portrayed her but really how the scriptwriter choose to write Hermione. He really did a disservice to both Ron and Hermione but I doubt he's really that bothered about it. What I will say is that even though the film series has now been tainted for me on the knowledge of the amazing book version of Ron and Hermione versus the corrupted film series version of them, I still like them enough to be able to continue watch the film series when it comes on tv. It's such a shame that it happened and I do wonder if it possible influenced JKR herself when writing the last book/s? (Apologies for the long comment!)
Film harry isn't all that great either. Maybe partly due to the fact that we can't constantly be in his head all the time but even that aside i didn't think daniel radcliffe expressed enough emotion especially in order of the phoenix.
True, I was waiting to see his breakdown in Dumbledore's office, his irritation throughout the year. The director took stuff from him too, and have them to Hermione.
I actually think Daniel Radcliffe did fantastic as Harry Potter, the only film where he probably wasn't as good was the Philosopher's Stone. But he was only 11 or 12 back then so we can give him a break. It wasn't his fault that the screenwriter simply did a poor job of making the Order of the Phoenix film adaptation far from true to the book. Literally, over *half* of the book was missing in the film (if you know what I mean by that).
Hermione was my least favorite of the trio in the book. In the movie they managed to make me want to see Voldemort more than her. I hated her in the movie. She was everything in the movie: pretty, smart, popular. I hated her. In the book, I started to love her when she and Ron had moments (when Harry saw their hands close to each other as if they had been holding hands). I grew to appreciate her more. In the movies, I had to leave them multiple times because nothing Harry or Ron or any other character did could make me want to watch more of Hermione's Mary Sue-ness. She was a bitch, everything I couldn't be. Why so many girls liked her is because she was smart and brave, something we didn't get very much. They took her away and make her insufferable. Ron was my favorite of the trio, the Weasley's were my favorite family. They ruined them. Made Arthur a joke, got rid of Charlie, Fred's death didn't hold nearly as much pain as in the book, made Ron worse of a joke than his father, took away Ginny's amazingness. At least they made Molly cool. EDIT: fixed the format and made it easier to read.
I agree with every word you just said like every single word the books are better than the movies Hermoine's my least favorite Ron's my favorite and the Weasley's are the best and got screwed over in the films
Every HP character suffered at the cost of Hermione. I wouldn'tmind if in a reboot, she is a non-entity while Ron,Harry,Ginny and all others are overglorified.
Sometimes when there are so many elements to an argument that I feel so passionately about, and that is so widely spread (as in over the course of 7 books), I have trouble organizing my thoughts to become as concise as I’d want them to be. I can, therefore really appreciate the time and effort put into constructing such an eloquent, well researched, not to mention fascinating, argument. You said everything in this video that I never took the time to put into words. What a beautiful video; it described the under appreciated heart of these much beloved characters perfectly
When I first watched the movies, I liked movie Hermione better, because they removed the parts of her personality that made me feel uncomfortable -- such as that scene in the Forbidden Forest when Hermione admits to the centaurs that she hoped they would deal with Umbridge for her, and her admission almost gets her and Harry killed. We've established that movie Hermione is perfect, and admittedly I have issues with wanting to be perfect, so that made me admire movie Hermione and want to be her. I can see how making her perfect destroys her character from the books, but I feel the screenwriters did the same thing to movie Hagrid. In Hagrid's first class, when he learns none of the kids can open their Monster Book Of Monsters, in the film he glosses over it by saying, "Just stroke the spine, goodness me." This elicits a drastically different response from the class. In the book, Hagrid is upset that no one can open their book, and Draco uses that opportunity to insult Hagrid and make him look like a fool, throwing him off his game in his first attempt at teaching. But in the movie, because Hagrid is so nonchalant about it and then walks away, Draco just kind of raises an eyebrow and strokes the spine, and that's that. Worse, they take Hagrid's line about thinking the books were funny and give it to Hermione, which not only takes away from Hagrid's character (and his inclination to bring dangerous things to school) it also diminishes from the danger by having Hermione think the books are funny. It seems to me that the screenwriters had the same issue with Hagrid that they may have had with Hermione in feeling uncomfortable about Hagrid's weaknesses and trying to gloss over them in the films.
The scriptwriter I think was a Harmione shipper. And because of that, the movies unfortunately did Ron dirty and amplified the Harry and Hermione relationship to more than it was. By not showing Ron yell in agony as he hears Hermione being tortured by Bellatrix in Malfoy Manor, and adding the Harry and Hermione dance scene in Deathly Hallows 1(which I can still see as a dance by platonic best friends), the audience who weren't as familiar with the books leaned toward believing that Harry and Hermione should have been together. But that is completely wrong. Harry never loved Hermione, and had a hard-on for Ginny all throughout Half Blood Prince. And Hermione always loved Ron.
I think the books did a mistake with Ron as well. For example in philosopher stone, each of the trio had their talents, Hermione was the only one good at magic, Harry skilled on his broom and Ron was excellent at chess all of which were useful. Later on when everyone started being able to do spells Harry started surpassing her in DADA, even Neville got Herbology, Ginny bot bogey hex and Fred and George are geniuses at item creation. Ron should have been the best at some form of magic.
i completely agree on alot of things you said about Ron and Hermione. While i love Emma and Ruperts portrayal of them, they did ruin alot of their relationship in the films. I would of loved to see Ron scream for Hermione in DH. Im a hardcore Romione shipper and so i agree more romance in the films would of been nice. Love the video! -Britt
the only screenplay not written by Kloves was Order of the Pheonix and that explores the characters much better than any of the other films did. Obviously you can't rewrite the characters 4 films in already but Goldenburg definitely did a better job of portraying just how meaningful *all* of Harry's friends are to him
Hmm, I actually dislike the OOTP movie because Ron's character is non-existent. He doesn't say much, stays in the background and seems like a third wheel. The other screenwriter didn't do justice to Ron either.
They brushed over Harry and Ron's bromance so much. I was shouting my throat out when I found out they didn't include the Silver Doe scene where Ron cries his heart out and Harry assures him all his insecurities are unfounded. I'm still salty.
They basically took away all of Hermione's flaws and gave Ron's good traits to her, making her a Mary Sue and ruining her character that way, and they made Ron comedic relief with no good qualities, ruining his character.
anyone who realizes this is in my adoration list, ron is my favorite character and i loved his relationship with hermione, but the movies completely killed them
Thank you so much for this video! It’s all so true and has bothered me for years, especially their relationship development and the constant argument that has followed as to whether Hermione should have ended up with Ron or Harry. During the scene in Malfoy Manner, Ron’s distress, fear and heartbreak whilst Hermione was being tortured is such an instrumental part of his development, and their relationship. It was what brought everything together, and cemented all of the moments they had had over the years. We got to see how much he really loved her, and what he was willing to sacrifice for her. There is no doubt for me that Hermione ended up with the right person.
Rupert Grint is the perfect Ronald Weasley. He is a great actor. It's a shame they didnt give him much in the movies, he could have perfectly shown Ron's greatness in the book. I hate how the movies ruined Ron Weasley, he could have been everyone's favorite.
They ruined Ron, giving the others his best lines and making him a bufoon with the worst lines of the others, instead of someone who could complete his girl and enable his friend to become what he was supposed to be. JK knew EVERYONE loved Ron from the books best- and wanted that changed, as did the ones she wanted making the films
In the first 2 films Harry and Ron where always together and they wjere clearly good friends, later on and especially the last films they seemed just nowhere near as close anymore which even I noticed before watching this video
exactly! i wish chris columbus directed all the films and not just the first two, i feel like the later films would’ve been so much more accurate to the books if he had been the director, and rons friendship with harry wouldn’t have seemed like it was less important than harry and hermione’s friendship.
Also exactly my thoughts! Chris Columbus did a very good Job by showing Rons and Harrys friendship. One of the reasons i liked him the most as a director! He understood the importance of their relationship! Not like David Yates, who even cut Rons and Harrys closest moment in DH, when they hugged and Harry comforted him. The movie Version of this moment was badly done in my opinion. And not as far as emotional.
I love the films, but there is so much i hate about them too. One of them being how they wrote Ron, he is my favourite character in both book and film, Rupert Grint was perfect to play him, same for Daniel Radcliffe for Harry, (can't stand Emma Watson) but love Hermione. But yes, the films did nothing for Ron, to which i feel bad for Rupert cause he could of easily played book Ron. Also wish Chris Columbus could directed all of them not just the first two.
Emma is wayyy an overrated actress. Seriously her eyebrows and Steve Kloves are the reason she's a popular actress in the industry. Unpopular opinion but RUPERT GRINT had moree talent and skills than her.
@@scaranvostok3637 I agree, anything else I've seen her in, she is the same, has no acting range at all. Rupert is a far superior actor, having seen all his work outside of the Harry Potter movies, he is very underated. I recently saw him Servant, he was amazing.
@@jessiewessie1450 Rupert is criminally underrated. I appreciate Daniel Rad tho for straying away from the mainstream movies. Rupert was the best of the three. Seriously, the movies butchered the world's greatest book character imho and his actor who was massively talented than Emma. Nowadays, only the media stans Emma because of her pretty appealing face and body. Have you seen Rupert in Servant??? Dude, he is soooooo effing talented. It's a shame Ron and Rupert was watered down. AND JUSTICE FOR WEASLEYS AND RUPERT
@@scaranvostok3637 Couldn't agree more, i've followed Rupert and Dan's work outside of Harry Potter since 2002 and love them both dearly, i don't like Emma Watson at all and her wooden ass acting. It pisses me off how some of Ron's bravest and epic moments were given to Herimone in the films!
The rotten cherry on top is Hermione practically throwing Harry and Ron onto the dragon's back in Deathly Hallows 2. Sure she did; whatever you say, movies...
And yet, this film series is pretty much the most accurate YA adaptation. Shows how horribly adapted the others. YA novels really should be made TV series. A book a season. Maybe a chapter an episode.
i think first 2 books a season ccos thats like start of hogwarts and its mystery solving then next 2 cos it gets darker with the marauders nape voldemort wormtail then the next 2 after voldeemort returns then deathly hallows has its own cos so much happens in it
one of my fav Ron and Harry moments is after Ron comes back in DH and destroys the locket and the movie just completely ruined it!!! also ruined Hermione and Rons first kiss it was so perfect in the book!! and having harry reminding them they still have a war to fight so funny!!
Ikr!!!! I'm so super salty that they treated Ron's character arc redemption here in the Locket chapter as an afterthought. 😡😡😡 And that too with his emotional distress when Hermione was getting tortured.
Amazing video!!! ❤ Just something else that really bothers me (about Ron and Hermione) in the movies: Harry in the 7th book goes to die and doesn't tell R&H because they would stop him and in the movies they like complain a little bit but basically let him go? To die? Book Ron and Hermione would have stopped him somehow if they knew.
The movies have so tarnished everyone's remembrance of the characters from their true personas from the books. I can't remember how many people still to this day comment that Harry should have wound up with Hermione instead of Ron. I remind them that they are going by the movie version of the characters to make that determination. As yes, movie Harry and Hermione are made out to be more than best friends and so relatable to each other. Book Harry and Hermione are truly good friends but Harry would comment often in many books that she is annoying, boring and not someone he wants to hang out with all the time and is glad Ron is there as his best friend to fill that need. Hermione also comments in books that she can't stand that Harry is always siding with Ron and it infuriates her. Nothing about love or deep feelings anywhere here. None of that is shown or hinted at in the movies so you would think that Harry and Hermione are meant for one another and Ron is just the court jester goofball who they tolerate with because he's fun to be around but it's just wacky and silly and over emotional Ron for the 8 movies we experience him in. In their efforts to turn Hermione into supergirl in the movies, they ruined a lot of the chemistry that the three had and with Harry's inner thoughts not being really noted as its a movie, Harry would always compliment Hermione when she did something great as Ron would just stand there looking silly or make a snide comment about it. Just weird how much Ron is really ruined in the movies. He's a goofball and makes weird noises and is always afraid or angry at Harry or Hermione all the time. They really just didn't capture his character right at all here and almost went out of their way to ruin him while making Hermione into the most ultimate female character imaginable when she definitely was not that in the books.
Ron was very sidelined in the movies. In the books, Harry had this bond with him that was different from his friendship with Hermione. Ron was the one Harry could talk to about anything. Ron was the first friend Harry ever had. In the movies, Ron is more like a minor character. Most of his lines and actions are relegated to Hermione because of Kloves’s obvious bias. Ron deserved better.
I get quite upset with how Ron was portrayed in the movies because in the books, I mostly identify with Ron. Street smart - a personality heavily determined by life experiences. Popular with the friends who matter but bullied by those who don't matter. Confident to a point, and confidence often envied by others - but that confidence covers a lot of self doubt that comes from image issues, feeling like you can't be yourself and have to say and like things to make others like you, sibling rivalry etc. Basically all the normal teen angst - just like Ron, I was able to hide feelings through comedy and likeableness, but I'd have episodes where that exploded out of me. Great friends, great family, great upbringing - but wanting to be seen more by others because of my own achievements and not because of who i was friends with or the expericnces i'd had due to parents choices. Intelligent enough to pass tests and do my homework, but not academically minded enough to focus heavily on getting top grades. Sure, we often like the people who we identify with the most - hence why Ron, Luna and Tonks are my fav characters, and yet Movie Ron makes me feel that by identifying with Ron, all i'm good for is some light relief. Like I am the least important in my group of friends and I should just be thankful whenever they do me a favour and talk to me. Movie Ron is always in the background and generally just agrees with whats going on and then when he shows some strong emotion, he's seen as spitful and childish. If i'd seen all the movies first, I'd not have felt pulled to him, but by reading the books and seeing how important he is to the trio, I can't not be drawn to him in the movies. (Doesn't help that Rupert was my fav kid actor for a long time). So I always come away from the movies with a slightly bad taste - like I've just been reminded of my own place and that I shouldn't be so confident in myself. Does that make any sense. I know a lot of the charcters lost something in the movies, but Ron is probably the one that upsets me most.
Yess I Know Ron was the epitome for people who deal with insecurities and self-depression. Instead of a positive role model, we got a dirty caricature 😒😒😒😒
I noticed that the writers removed the house elf subplot with Hermione. It showed that, while Hermione was compassionate and caring, she could come off as a bit annoying. She wanted to forcefully free the Hogwarts house elves when they never wanted it. Everyone tells her, from Ron to Fred and George to Hagrid, that house elves like working and hate vacations. Her leaving clothes around pisses them off and they refuse to clean Gryffindor Tower, leaving it to Dobby, who enjoys his freedom but enjoys working at Hogwarts more. He even tells Hermione to stop talking about him when mentioning freedom to the other elves. It’s this subplot that leads to her and Ron kissing in the last book. Instead of Hermione, it’s Ron who remembers the house elves and says they should all run so they don’t have “any more Dobbys” (ie dead house elves). That leads to Hermione kissing him. I have a feeling the house elf subplot was cut because it would have shown Hermione as annoying and not flawless, like Kloves wanted her to be, which ruins the movies for me because that subplot showed a different side to Hermione. She was not just a logical bookworm. She was also a compassionate and caring girl who honestly meant well, even if it annoyed the house elves.
I love this video. All these years i have felt that the movies ruined the dynamic between the three of them but especially Ron and Hermione. I absolutely LOATHED the halfblood prince movie and wanted to cry when i saw it in theaters. I fumed the whole way home and then when i could finally talk about it i could not stop ranting. I felt that throughout the first 5 movies they had changed Ron and Hermione so much that the 6th one was destined to be exactly as polluted as it turned out. The screen writers had twisted them so much that at that point they could no longer correct their paths. On paper, the 6th book was my favorite. all of the characters had reached a point in their character arcs that essentially filled this book with everything we understood and hoped for them... the good, the bad, and the ugly. In the movie, they seemed to forget all of the real issues and focused mostly on the teenage drama of it all and even then... it was so vapid that i groaned several times while watching it. It's like they forgot this was a group of wizards that have almost died AND saved so each other so many times... and instead focused on their teenage drama. Ron and Hermione on the screen seemed like an afterthought. They threw in bit of "see... they like each other..." whereas on paper you could see their development. You could FEEL how they flowed so well and how much they came to care for each other. You could see the evidence of it, and as you said... they complemented each other perfectly. I loved book Ron, but hated movie Ron. they made him shallow, and kind of a coward. I'm all for female strength and positive female role models, but if Hermione had been allowed to remain the Hermione of the books, i would have had more respect for her character on film. I felt like the films were trying to force feed female empowerment down our throats, when they could have done that by NOT changing her. The growth and courage she displayed was empowering as is!
I am back even though it has been two years and I just... I am very sad because Rupert Grint is a great actor and I really think he could've portrayed book ron so well and that just went to waste. Very very sad about that.
What irks me is that strong female protagonists in films are made to be too good at everything. Hermione is strong in the books but her strengths is her intelligence not jumping on dragons. And her brains is valued as equally as Ron and Harry’s brawn. This shows that you don’t have to be good at everything to be valued.
Ron and Hermione truly had an amazing love story. It was amazing because it wasn't perfect. It was teenage romance. There was jealousy and heartbreak. In Half Blood Prince there was a whole jealousy competition and love triangle going on. But in the end they loved each other more than anything.
I am so torn because Prisoners of Azkaban is my favorite Harry Potter film [because of the atmosphere and director's take], but you are soooooooo right about how badly it messes up Ron and Hermione's character. Hell, the second and third films in general are my favorites, but each have some of the worst "rewritten for the movie" scenes.
All so true so a good video the films are lovely but it's such a shame Hermione got the Hollywood treatment. I would also add Ron and Harry are much closer and Harry confides in Ron so much more as Hermione is very judgemental on things Harry does as she always believes she's right (see the broom in the third book, fourth book Harry can't ask her about the egg task as he feels she'll lecture him). It's even clear how much Ron gels the group in the 7th book when he leaves and Harry and Hermione hardly speak to eachother.
I know right. Basically everything you said happened the opposite in the movies which I hate a lot. You're also forgetting the fact that Harry stated in GoF book that he prefers Ron more than Hermione to hang out with
I 100% blame the movie screenwriter, he LOVED Hermoine so he went out of his way to make her perfect. Which Harry and especially Ron suffered for, to make Hermoine look good, they had to look foolish.
I COMPLETELY AGREE. This change of Rons character affected their romance. Sometimes its the little things that matters the most for the outcome.... they over looked it
Excellent video. I'm going to overshare with you if that's O.K., in order to agree with your assessment... TLDR: Hermione needs Ron. Because she's not perfect. I have an IQ of 142. I don't normally share that fact with people, as it's not something that I feel makes me anymore special than anyone else, as it comes with its own challenges and flaws. However, it is essential to making my point, and so I include it as relevant. My biggest weakness is definitely overthinking. Overthinking causes too many thoughts to flash through my mind, where I can't focus on things that I already know and should remember easily. My thoughts overpower my emotions and I'm want to panic. So sometimes I need my less intelligent, but absolutely more level headed, best friend to talk me through it and to point out the obvious with his wonderful common sense and witty humour. He pulls me back from my spiral and gets me back on track. I love him for it and we've been together for 5 years now. We help each other because we both have our own strengths. He's steadfastly loyal and will always have my back. He's my Ron. I adore him and need him. Yes, he teases me that I can be a "know it all" and sometimes get so focussed on a topic and learning about it and telling him and everyone else about it that I can be irritating... but he also tells me that it's one of the reasons he admires me as well. I am also generally disliked by people that I meet if I do not restrain myself, as "normal" people don't appreciate the speed with which my mind works, and the way I don't feel the need to explain as I speak, as well as the jumps I make in my speech because my brain is already three steps further along than what I am saying. It can be annoying for people and it's difficult for me to slow down my "flow" once I get on a roll. I leave things out because I've already moved past them, and this can make it seem like I've jumped to a completely unrelated topic, when I haven't, I've just not verbalised those steps in the logic. So sometimes my best friend will amusingly fill in the gaps that I've left because he knows what I'm trying to say (he knows me so well!) and can put it into words in a much simpler, and therefore better, way than I can. He helps me where I need him the most, and he's so great about it and so funny when he does it that I just love him for it! O.K., over sharing complete. I think this is why I haven't watched the films more than once each, due to the complete disregard for Ron AND Hermione, and how the changing of their characters robs both of them of the relationship that their book counterparts share. It's an almost perfect portrayal of the plight of the overly intelligent female and the one who is her perfect match, and I've never found another comparison in literature that speaks to my own particular brand of truth. I don't care that the screenwriter liked Hermione the best. I too saw that interview awhile ago and it infuriated me... because he just didn't get it. He changed them both and created something that was less than the original, and actually made film Hermione by far my least favourite character. She's what dumb people think intelligent people are like: completely unbelievable, insufferably perfect, totally without flaws or weaknesses, absolutely self-sufficient, and without any semblance of a soul. Intelligence is not a super power. It's simply another form of the human condition and has its own special brand of a "cross to bear", which is not an island of its own, devoid of the need of human intervention. It's just another way of being a human being. Anyway, my point is that I really enjoyed your video and, without Ron, Hermione sucks. Thank you. :)
How about the first kiss between Ron and Hermione. In the movie it was awkward but in the books Ron said something about saving the house elves right before Hermione threw herself at him. The first kiss in the movie was awkward because the filmmakers didn't understand how to earn that moment.
I don't really get JK Rowling and Steve Kloves. If they love so much book Hermione, why to give her in the movies traits and lines of book Ron? That's so hypocritical.
I absolutely loved both Hermione and Ron in the books but the movies managed to take my two favourite characters and made them unrecognisable and unlikable and I'm still mad about it after all this time
Wow, I wasn't even aware that these differences were so severe in the films. Of course I read the books before I watched the movies and it seems like I projected "my" known characters into the screen ones and didn't notice that much, how they transferred Ron's bright moments to Hermoine and so on
The golden trio dynamic-
Books:
Harry is 33.4%
Ron is 33.3%
Hermione is 33.3%
Movies:
Harry is 2%
Hermione is 98%
Ron is error 404
I didn’t like the scene in Chamber of Secrets, where Hermione explained what a Mudblood was. That annoyed me massively. That was Ron’s scene!
SmasherBoy right. And hermiome didn’t even know what a mudblood was to begin with
It's like I've argued. How would someone that's never lived in the Wizarding World know the racial derogatory terms for Muggle born's she's never lived to hear? Ron feels more like the Muggle than Hermione in the film's. How does an inexperienced muggle born know more than a pureblood wizard raised in the Wizarding world? It makes no sense.
@@TheBlueBeatle3 She could've heard it from the year before.
@@islasullivan3463 She didn't. She was confused and puzzled at the word since she never heard it. Ron explained how it was a racist term in the wizarding world.
@@TheBlueBeatle3 I meant in the movie.
My favorite Ron/Hermione moment was actually in the second book. When Hermione was paralyzed, and right after Harry and Ron talked to Hagrid, they were deciding on wheather or not to go into the forbidden forest. Ron knew full and well that there were a lot of spiders there, which he is deathly afraid of. He looked at the empty seat next to him, where Hermione usually sat, and decided he was going with Harry. Its so subtle but powerful. I related a lot to him in that moment because I'm afraid of spiders too, and I know what that kind of fear feels like. So when Ron put his fear aside for Hermione I thought it was beautiful.
Great video. It’s sad how movie Ron was used for second hand comedic relief while book Ron was the first person Harry went to. Also, in the movies Hermione is shown to be a know it all on EVERYTHING even the phrase “Mudblood” when in the books, Ron was the only one of the trio who had extensive experience with the wizarding world and had to explain to Harry and Hermione. Once again the movies take this away from him.
exactly! harry and ron’s friendship is one of my favorite things in the books, they really love each other and that doesn’t translate into the movies
Ot true. Just not true. Hermione, even thou she was not mudblood, always knew more than Ron. From day one. No matter in what topic. That's why I really dislike ron in the books, he is useless. He is often jealous of harry and is not smarter in any way than hermione or harry (well sometimes more than harry) jk Rowling really made that clear. At least in the movies he was kinda cute and was a comedic relief
and its quite clear in the book how EVERYONE who presumbly grew up in the wizarding world OR been there long enough - except Harry and Hermione (not just Ron) acted. here';s the quote from the book: Harry knew at once that Malfoy had said something really bad because there was an instant uproar at his words. Flint had to dive in front of Malfoy to stop Fred and George jumping on him, Alicia shrieked, "How dare you!" and Ron plunged his hand into his robes, pulled out his wand, yelling, "You'll pay for that one, Malfoy!" and pointed it furiously under Flint's arm at Malfoys face.
@@alissaa2809 How would you know of something akin to a racist term if you NEVER heard of it before?
Alissa Dem agreed Ron was always second fiddle in *most* areas. Very glad he was funny in the movies else they wouldn’t have had much to go on with his character!
The books are about three friends who help each other be the best they can be and finally save the world from evil.
The films however, are about a hero, his comedic sidekick and a mary sue staying basically the same for the same amount of time and, of course, saving the world from evil.
Ikr they completely ruined EVERYTHING (except the sets actors and most of the main plot) I'm sad for those who watched only the movies, or watched the movies first
This made me laugh so much- because it’s so true 😭🔪
@@user-ds4jp5el5b I feel bad for the "fans" who bash ron because of the films. They are genuinely toxic people who need help to get rid of their salt
You are so right! The books are 999 3/4 times better than the movies.
@@lapplandkun9273 The Ron bashers make me cry!
I was so sad when I saw the ending of the half blood prince. I felt that they bluntly push Ron aside and it was all about Harry and Hermione's friendship. Or in the last movie when Harry is leaving to fight Voldermort and Hermione is like "I will go with you" and Ron is standing there awkwardly watching them. I watch the movies before reading the books and I felt that by the end of the series Ron and Harry were not good friends anymore like in the beginning.
Yeah it's such a shame because they did a really good job of portraying how to two made friends in the first film and then it all just fell apart!
I have yet to watch that movie without falling asleep once through it. I have tried to watch it 12 times now and even given myself energy boost and made sure I wasn't tired. The movie feels like work.
Exactly! In the books Harrys and Rons friendship goes deeper and closer through the novels but in the movies they became less good friends with each film. And that's why i liked Chris Columbus as a director. Because he understood the importance of Harrys and Rons friendship the Most Out of all directors. He did a really good Job with this relationship in the first two Films! David Yates focused too much on Harry and Hermione as friends, in my opinion.
@@SnowDreamFlake also the fact that Harry and Ron's friendship was much more richer than Harry and Hermione's or Ron and Hermione's.
@d they could have shown us Fred's emotionally putting death and instead they give us a stupid Harmione dance tent scene
The harry potter films: Fantastic Characters and how to ruin them.
Fantastic Beasts is a million times better than the original Harry Potter
@@micahfoote7270 No one says that. But yes.
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@@micahfoote7270 then the movies? Yeah i kind of agree. I mean, the movies are nostalgic and magical but i think that if i didn't grew up with them i would've hated them after seeing what they did to the books.
@@randyjr.arsenio5624 but they are in no way better then the harry potyer books if that's what u meant (i don't think that's what u meant though lol), the books are just too amazing❤
I would love to add a few more things. Hermione refusing to acknowledge that Crookshanks may have eaten Scabbers was really just icing on the cake of Hermione is stuck in her beliefs. She is so convinced that her cat is perfect that she almost ruins a friendship because she can't say, I'm so sorry that Scabbers is missing and if my cat did it I apologise for that too. I know it can't bring Scabbers back, but I'm sorry. Ron didn't want her to fix it. He wanted her to apologise and it shows a growth moment for her. In the 4th book Harry clearly misses Ron. But the movies water it down and don't acknowledge Ron's valid anger. He's allowed to be angry.
They also cut down so much of their romance that many movie only viewers truly lose sight of the fact that Harry and Hermione would be an awful couple.
I think Harry/Hermione shipper must've only watched the movies. Otherwise they wouldn't really ship it
They ruined lots of characters in the movies. My favourite character, Neville, was probably the one besides Ron that suffered the most. His only role was as a comical relief, and we didn't get to see anything of his character development, bravery or sad background story.
His character left a lot to be desired. His development was shown, but it was almost pointless without the Saint Mungo's scene. He did develop, but we don't get to see where it came from. We are not informed of his parents or how close he actually came to having Harry's destiny
Neville’s development in the movies was so incoherent and unsatisfying. It’s like watching Captain America: the First Avenger then skip to when he finally wields Mjolnir in Endgame. We know he’s worthy but we don’t know why he’s THAT worthy.
Nirawit Karnjanasomwong true
Ron and Neville were truly heroes in the books. Both of them had to go on a self-journey of one's own importance. Ron and Neville both had to deal with their insecurities yet they truimphed over them in the last book.
And the movies just made them comic-reliefs.
It's a CRIME and I'm so SALTY😒😒😒😒😒😒😒😒😒😒
Neville yes!! And ginny who they destroyed every bit of her personality
Hermione is such a mary sue in the films and i hate it.
Also,ron was just played for comedic relief all the time and it's so annoying.
A. J Movie Hermione = Sansa Stark after season 6
Movie Ron = Tyrion Lannister after season 4
@@nont18411 I liked Tyrion and Sansa's characters at first - flawed but super interesting
By season 8, I wished Drogon would just roast them.
Faerie Queen What I hate the most is that they dumbed down Tyrion, one of the most intelligent character of the whole franchise, to make Sansa Stark a “strong smart female character” (she’s a strong character by herself, even without that infamous rape scene)
A part I can NEVER get over when I watch Deathly Hallows Part 2 is when Harry is literally going off to DIE and he only really says goodbye to Hermione. Ron is again just kind of standing there not saying or doing anything or having any kind of reaction. What kind of person reacts that way to their childhood best friend telling them they're going to sacrifice themself to the most evil person in the world? Certainly not Ron!! It ruins it for me every single time.
i’ve always felt this way as well, but i’ve recently rewatched the movie and i’ve realized that harry and ron share a look while harry is hugging hermione and there is a tear going down ron’s cheek when this happens. it doesn’t annoy me as much as it used to because i think that a look says a lot and if they did hug i doubt that either of them would have been able to let the other go. however, i still do wish they would’ve had a bigger moment, but i think i have accepted it a little more than i used to.
Skye B Please don’t try to defend the movie. In the book, Harry sneaked out of the castle to face Voldemort without telling anyone. When Ron knew that he “DIED”, he openly defied Voldemort without fear that Voldemort told him to shut up.
Nirawit Karnjanasomwong i’m aware of what happens in the book, i’ve read it. i never said the movies didn’t do ron dirty. i know they did. rupert grint and ron weasley both deserved better. all i’m saying is my opinion on that scene. i think a look says a lot. that’s all. i wish they stayed true to the book and didn’t include that scene, but they went in a different direction clearly. i’m not defending the movies or anything like that, i know the books are much better. i’m simply saying my opinion on the scene.
I walked out of the cinema straight afterward.
TOTALLY AGREE!!!! That part is such rubbish!
One had so many conversations with people about how Ron and Hermione's romance was actually built up for the entire series and did NOT come out of nowhere like it seems to in the movies. Book Ron and Hermione are so good together and it makes me upset when I watch the movies and see how their entire relationship was ruined.
Exactly the same, it’s definitely the thing that annoys me most about the movies and Ron and Hermione were such an integral part of the books to me!
plus you could see they had crushes on each other even on book 2
I disagree. I dont think the movies built up their relationship out of nowhere. Since the first movie they had little moments showing that they had stronger feelings for each other. Yes the books were better, but still
Sarcasm and Sci-Fi I still don’t see them together. Their personalities don’t connect as partners. I always thought that she and Neville would have ended up together. But the movies are a joke to the books. They’re great, I love them. But they left out too many important keys to connect with the characters and the story, and not only the world. Anyways, I just didn’t think that everyone should have ended up with their high school sweethearts.
yeah they didnt focus on romance buildin at all. i was totally shocked to see ron and hermione and harry and jenny out of NO where it felt like. harry had more romantic spark with the little asian girl that got caught by slytherin
I will never forgive Steve Kloves for this.
Same
Same,he’s forever dead to me,even when he’s literally dead
His favouritism towards Hermione's caused the downfall of the character and romiones relationship
He ended up doing his own fanfiction
It's why the first thing they teach you in fiction writing is to KILL YOUR DARLINGS. Falling in love with your own character is poisonous
I’m also extremely sick of “strong female characters” only being one dimensional with no flaws. You can be a strong female and have insecurities-that’s okay. That’s why I loved Hermione so much growing up reading HP. She wasn’t perfect and it was such a unique glance at the brilliant heroine but the movies completely ruined it. And Ron was my literary crush as a kid. Because he was everything that Hermione wasn’t and as a result I wasn’t. They were an ideal couple who took on a sort of parenting role to Harry, I think the films really messed with their dynamic
Its like the screen writer was so busy making a perfect female character her forgot not only Ron and also Harry sometimes, but all the other female characters in the books. Ginny in particular. She is so amazing in the books, she is witty, smart, don’t take Harry’s shit ever, and is completely her own person separate from anyone else. In the films she is always with someone, usually it’s Luna or Neville and she just relays some info, and she has no personality ! Ughhh
@@clintfowler3856 Yeah. I haven't watched too much of the movies but Ron seems far weaker than in the books
Don’t forget that in the books Ron is the one to dispel Harry and Hermione’s ignorance about some of the wizarding world. In book two Hermione doesn’t even realize the implications of being called a Mudblood until Ron explains it. The same for Hagrid’s giant heritage in Book 4. Ron is the touch stone for these two that didn’t even know about the wizarding world until they got into Hogwarts. He is amazingly smart, not in the bookish way of Hermione, but in a world wise way that makes him come off as prejudiced sometimes (see book 4). In the movies all of these explainations (if they get included at all) are given to Hermione, and your absolutely right it is a disservice to both Her and Ron.
And it's so much stronger to have RON be the one to remind Hermione that she IS a witch. Because it comes in later where her blood status is questioned.
It also makes sense given Hermione’s background. Being muggle-born, she’s only recently begun learning about magic and its applications. Her life beforehand would’ve been about finding mundane solutions.
Ron, on the other hand, is the only one of the trio who grew up with a wizarding family. Even if he didn’t use magic before, he’s used to seeing it used in all manner of situations.
So of course Hermione’s thought process would automatically go “need wood for fire” while Ron’s would go “use magic.”
The way Hollywood portrays “strong female characters” nowadays only hurts the films and the characters.
The force feed it to us while being so on the nose. It is cringey
Tell me about it! Emma Watson calls herself a "feminist" but she GAVE in to the sexist stereotype that the only way a woman can be considered smart/intelligent, is if everybody wants to bang her/ she's hot/ she kicks people's ass.
they made all girls in harry potter weak except Hermione.
linusya_365 Luna wasn’t weak, nor were the women. The Harry Potter books don’t have many girls to focus on in the first place. Pretty much just Hermione, Cho, Luna, Lavinder, and Ginny. Out of them I would only call Cho and Lavender “weak” but we aren’t supposed to be rooting for them anyway. Unfortunately the movies did make Ginny weak (or at least weaker) when she was anything but in the books.
@@alyssakays367 Don't forget Mrs Weasley. As much as I dislike the fact that it was her who ultimately defeated Bellatrix, she was still portrayed as a very powerful witch for someone that spent the last twenty some years as a housewife.
I blame this on Steve Kloves and J.K. Rowling... it's like the more the movies progressed, the more she forgot about who her characters were meant to be at their core. Kloves didn't understand Hermione or Ron and what made them so special.
It was so refreshing growing up to read about a girl who was nerdy, into school, and actually had panic attacks about her grades and tests. I saw so much of myself in book Hermione.
And Ron has ALWAYS been my favorite, to see him snubbed in the films was so disappointing, especially because I believe Rupert to have the most talent of the trio and was so underutilized.
Yeah I could rant about this forever. I hope they redo the series at some point as a TV show and do justice to the book characters.
No, It's ALL Steve Kloves fault, he revealed that his favorite character was Hermione, JK Rowling still made Hermione have some flaws in the books later on, so yeah, it is ALL Steve Kloves fault.
And J.K saying that she wished she paired Hermione with Harry made it even worse. Also she approved the cursed child without even reading it well enough. I don't consider it canon. She was once one of my heroes. It's so sad that instead of embracing and loving her artwork, she's regretting and letting others change and destroy it.
Vitruvius JK did realized about it, she even promoted it because it was her self insert.
@@macz8tyam-yam750 Steve Kloves was lickking Emma's ass cheeks in his mind
@@prishamehta8055 she's just doing this for publicity and unwanted relevance. She finally learnt her lesson when she declared herself a TERF. DoTA was already called.
1 book
Hermoine : I need wood
Ron: ARE YOU A WITCH OR NOT
Last book
Ron:I need crookshanks
Hermione:ARE YOU A WIZARD OR NOT
See they learn from each other edit: Merlin's beard thanks for so many bloody likes!!!!!
Ron standing on broken bones to either protect his friend or die trying is one of those moments that defines who he is as a character. Losing that in the movie was an absolute tragedy
I absolutely agree with all the points you make. Whenever I talk to people about how much I love Ron's character, I always have to clarify that I mean book Ron! And I find it SO frustrating that they turned Hermione into this perfect person in the movies. I love her character in the books because she seems real. As you said, her flaws are what make her character so great. Taking those flaws away makes her less likeable in my opinion, and kind of annoying to be honest.
Great video anyway, very well said! And you've made me want to re-read the books again, which is always a good thing!
Thank you so much, I’m glad you enjoyed it! X
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I used to have a crush on ron- and he till this day is my favorite corrector of harry potter. I don't consider movie ron is canon, though I appreciate the actor for actually acting good with that trash script
@@user-ds4jp5el5b i agree white you book ron is just better
I'm so glad you mentioned Hermione calling Ron "Ronald". It annoyed me so much in the films, so out of character for her. Why did they do it?
Great video, glad I found you channel!
Finally I found a video like this, Ron and hermione are both my favorite couple and characters and you 100% put my thoughts into a video
Yay I’m so glad x
What male writers always do wrong in writing strong female characters, is that instead of writing compelling 3D characters with flaws, like we women would write them (as we know we aren't perfect and that's what we want to see on screen), they write them as these unattainable perfect characters, because that's what they see. They want the perfect girl, the perfect woman they admire. We want to see a portrayal of ourselves. And we are definitely not that perfect girl and perfect woman. Even the most feminist male writers get writing female characters wrong because of this. I really like Joss Whedon though. He never wrote Buffy as perfect. She had so many flaws. She wasn't just a badass superhero.
That's a really fair thing to point out. Psychologically, men tend not to see women for what they are, but as an ideal that they build in their head. Getting past this image of women as goddesses is something that many men struggle to overcome in adolescence. And some of them never overcome it and they carry that delusion into adulthood (NiceGuys™).
I was about to bring up Joss Whedon before I finished reading your comment lol. He's not the only man who writes female characters well, but he's probably the most prolific example.
Well said
I've seen many, many female writers create poor female characters. When I see them, though, I also will frequently see the logic of "young girls need to have someone to look up to!" Or, the easier explanation of inexperienced writers making the same mistakes no matter who they are. People think we want to see perfect protagonists, when we really want flawed and interesting ones.
It's not about being male or female, it's about being a good and clearheaded writer...or not.
Could this also be said for female writers writing male characters? I feel like I do that in my writing, like, I don't intend to, but when I go back and read, I notice it.
Love Buffy with a passion.
It must have killed Steve Kloves to write Ron and Hermione married to each other.
It must have killed us Potterheads to see an incompetent delusional hypocritical idiot of a screenwriter that is Steve Kloves to write the movies.
@@scaranvostok3637 true
Agreed. I'm rewatching the films now, and couldn't really pin down why I felt so annoyed by Hermione but I loved her in the books. You hit the nail on the head.
And poor Ron, I liked him so much in the books, but in the movies... eh.
Reading the books, I couldn't see where the Harmione ship came from. I can see it in the movies.
A character who was awesome in both the books and films, though? Luna Lovegood.
Of course, why wouldn't she be? They gave Tonks' part to her. I adore Luna, but I wouldn't expect her to be stupidly moving about in the train while everyone else had left.
i loved how kind ginny was to luna in the books tho like she defended her against neville when he didnt want to join her in her compartment stopped ron from caling her loony once even tho she did it once as well snapped at 2 boys in her class for calling her loony
Any ship that isn't canon(harmione,dramione,drarry etc.) is from the movies, i don't care what anyone else says, J.K Rowling wrote the characters in detail and their relationship was written so well.
I agree!! but I'm a big Darry fan *blush face*
Eh... there's a basis for Drarry in the books. Agreed on the others, though, especially Harmione. Harry and Hermione have no romantic chemistry in the books at all. Each time they were alone together, there was something missing. And Ron and Hermione spent much more time together.
I will say that in both the books and films, I don't really buy Hinny. I don't hate it, it's just... meh.
From my perspective Drarry became a thing because the romance between Ginny and Harry wasn't well developed. There was just much more chemistry between Harry and Draco. If I measured and compared how much time together spent the canon pair versus Drarry it would look like the only reason why the ship didn't become a real thing was because it would be gay. Honestly, all the drama, mutual obsession, constant rivalry, Romeo and Juliette like story...
What the canon pair had? Childhood crush, once life saved (for Drarry it happened couple times) and some dating around before the war
@@angelikaskoroszyn8495 There is a rule for any healthy relationship: don't date your bully. A bully - bullied relationship is never good or healthy, that is why the Drarry doesn't work. It is an unhealthy relationship (in fact, in the future, they share a respectful, but distant relationship, not a loving or friendly one...too much bad things happened in the past, and they overcame them just through their mutual hate towards the war). The only moments were Draco was saved by Harry happened just because Harry is good enough to overcome his hate, and the only time that Draco saved Harry (just before trying to capture him for Voldemort) was because Draco was scared for the future of his family and was unsure about all the conflict. More also, the relationship between Harry and Ginny was just slightly rushed, but overall really believable. Harry clearly liked strong girls (Ginny was a tomboy, and Harry was constantly "turned off" by Cho`s depression...sure, It is insensitive from him, but we aren't discussing about that). Add the fact that he saved her from certain death by nearly sacrificing his life, add the fact that she is a Weasley (his "adoptive" family), and add the fact that Ginny is very similar to Lily both in appearance and character. Boom: Oedipus. Really believable crush. The only downside is that maybe Rowling did write Ginny as a Marie Sue, maybe because she was protecting herself in this red headed, strong females, and so the fans couldn't empathize enough with her. Still, why choosing to empathize with Draco instead of Cho? Even Rowling was obligated to confirm that Draco wasn't "inherently" good, but just a little coward bully, grow in the wrong family. Neither of them is the best pair for Harry, but Cho is surely better. 😂
@@chichi77tim I agree with us except for the fact that we see ginny can be a rude little bitch sometimes and I don't think she was a Mary Sue in any way. I also don't agree with Cho and harry because Harry was cho's rebound and rebound relationships are never healthy either.
Was so mad that they brushed over Ron and Hermione's big fight over Crookshanks. And almost threw up when movie Hermione explained her relationship with Krum as "its more a physical being".
I'm reading the books for the third time and when I got to the fight over Crookshanks I was thinking exactly the same. Why didn't they put it in the movies ? Both Hermione's and Ron's reactions were understable and I think that it gave more importance to the discovery of Scabbers' real idendity later on the book. Because we understood how much Ron cared about his rat.
The screenwriter: *writes a scene where Hermione confides with Harry on her relationship with Krum.*
Ginny: "Maybe I should be there instead of Har-"
Screenwriter:" I ToLd YoU Not tO sHoW yOuR UgLy FaCe uNTIL THe FiFtH MOVIE!!"
@@neepamehta4738 Lol. Also it makes more sense to see Hermione talking to Ginny about something given they're great friends in the book. It makes up for the 'physical being' and also gives Ginny some screen time.
I'm not that good at making memes but my point is that the movies completely ignored Hermione as well as Harry's relationship with Ginny. Ginny is best friends with Hermione and it's a great example of classic female friendship. They help each other, confide in each other and are always there for each other. Honestly Harry and Ginny are one of my favourite literary couples. In the movies they have zero interaction whereas in the books it clearly shows how much she cares about Harry, how she won't take crap from him, how beautifully she had handled her crush on Harry, and showed him who she really is. The movies focus very little on character development and what's even worse!-He didn't read the books before writing the script so it's pretty obvious kloves shipped harmony:'(
Why did you want the movies to put the fight about Crookshanks and scabbers? It doesn't show Ron and Hermione in a good light. The filmmakers didn't put it specifically to make Ron look like less of a jerk, and Ron/Hermione's dynamic as less toxic. Is that really what you Romione shippers want?
I likened one of my friends to Ron and he became very offended. But I tried to explain that is a good thing, but he didn't understand. But from watching this I understand! I was comparing him to the book Ron and he was thinking of the movie Ron (he had not read the books (shame)). So from watching your video it now makes more sense as to why the "disagreement" occurred!
Chyna Page yes I sometimes forget because I fill in the gaps in Ron’s character with my book knowledge that people who’ve only seen the films must think he’s awful! X
PoA is probably the best of the movies, but I HATED that they gave Ron’s heroic moment to Hermione. Why, why, WHY? That was one of the things about the movie series that irritated me and completely took me out of the movie experience.
All your other points were valid too, I just had to express my frustration with that particular scene.
i cant believe the movies tricked me into hating ron for years ;-;
Omg it happened the exact same to me! When I was 10, I had this potterhead friend who would always discuss Harry Potter stuff with me. We liked to make stories about Harry Potter universe and we were always so mean to Ron. We would portray him as a dumb, dense and ridiculous guy while Hermione was the perfect, strong, intelligent girl. After all this years of questioning myself for that, I've finally realized that the movies made us view the characters this way. (Sorry for my bad english)
Me too. Ron in the first two books(which is where I'm at) is the heart and soul of the trio so far.
Mate you should check Tumblr and Quora for Ron Weasley.
@@scaranvostok3637 I already visited it. More dumb ignorant ron bashers
We need to remake all the movies just for Ron and Hermione
June Hazel I agree that the films ruined Ron and Hermione but if they remake the movies it would be with other actors and I can’t imagine other actors than Grint and Watson to play them it would be weird
also include the times he treated her like crap for months.
and ginny
Alexander Ramos true ❤️
and for Ginny!! Her character was BUTCHERED
AMAAZING video!!! I wholeheartedly agree with everything you said! Strong female characters do NOT equal to perfect-in-every-way characters!!! not only does hyper-idealizing female characters make them unbelievably dull and uninteresting to an audience of real-life people, but i think that it also sows a lot of insecurities in girls and women who then feel pressured to live up to this unattainable and perfected image of a person that society deems to be a “true role model”.
And as for ron, diminishing his character to simply a subject of ridicule is also pretty annoying and terrible in so many ways.
BOTH CHARACTERS DESERVE BETTER!!
Anyway WELL DONE!
Yes I agree so much, and if girls feel they’re constantly not living up to this ‘perfect role model’ then they’re going to feel like they’re continuously failing! Thank you so much for watching! X
I always felt Steve Kloves wanted to suck up to Rowling by making Hermione impossibly and even annoyingly PERFECT, because Rowling had made it clear she had written Hermione with herself in mind. Rowling fell into the trap she managed to avoid while writing by allowing all these stupid changes I think, because she felt too flattered to be portraid as being 'perfect'. Her own childhood pains of not being accepted as the brainy girl that also could be cool and good looking at the same time in the eyes of others played out against her, Hermione, Ron and the few snippets of romance the books gave to make the later relationship between Ron and Hermione believable.
@Rach well let Kloves rot in hell
I heartily agree with you! Ron and Herminone are my favorite characters from the books and their love story is my favorite love story. It is unbearable to look at how the movies changed both of them for the worse, for it is not good to be perfect rather than good to be stupid. Ron and Herminone are important characters for the story because nothing Harry does in the books he could do without them. Okay, well, he'd always done well in Quidditch, but all the important things that happen in the books that Harry needs to solve he could never do without Ron and Herminone. Ron and Herminone are the perfect couple because they are true friends, even when they are arguing they still stand together, as when Snape calls Herminone unbearable, Ron protects her even though they are in the middle of an argument that made it in fact they almost didn't talk together without arguing. However, when Snape is rude to Herminone, Ron protects her even though he does have the punishment. They are the perfect pair because they dare to point the other way, Ron is almost the only one who argues with Herminone that makes her open to other ideas as time goes on. Harry does not, as he feels no need to point out things that may be uncomfortable. They are a perfect pair because they value each other and respect each other. They are a perfect pair because they complement each other and they know both each other's strengths and weaknesses, without judging each other for it. It is therefore incredible that there should be people who do not understand that they are together. In the book while in the Dumbeldores army, Ron is proud to have succeeded in disarming Herminone because he considers her a peer who is not easily defeated. He also feels nothing wrong with it when she manages to disarm him because he knows she is his equal, who can defend herself well. In the movie this is set up differently, Ron says he will not hurt Herminone as he thinks she is fragile and Neville tries to go in between so everyone can see what Herminone is considered fragile. Then the scene ends with Ron losing and saying that he allowed her to win because it was so bad for the audience to see him beaten by a girl. So film Ron made little of Herminone's talents while book Ron were aware that she was equal to him. I saw in an interview that this scene from the movie was considered a girl power, because Herminone defeated Ron when everyone pretended she could do nothing. However, I find it much more indicative of a girl's power as described in the book, as the boys regard Herminone as their equal that they can be proud to conquer and they can proudly say that she conquered them too.
The book Ron and Hermione are perfectly relatable people. And let's just not even talk about what they did to them in the film. Its inexcusable.
I agree with ervery word of yours. It's like all my frustration with the underwhelming work that the movies had done was spoken by you!
Thanks for the rant 😉
Vignyathri Sivanepalli and Ginny!
@@dilaisy_loone2846 I actually look up to ginny because I've always wanted to be someone who's pretty, funny, not afraid to speak my mind, and not letting people push me around.
OreoGaming I love her character too, I just didn’t like her with Harry. But yes, they did her dirty in the movies
@@dilaisy_loone2846 I always liked her with Harry because they were just so compatible
OreoGaming I really don’t see the compatibility.i understand why Harry liked her, and she was already obsessed with Harry so the base was there. But Harry staying whit his only live interest for the rest of his life is just wrong, mostly because is not realistic when someone has ptsd. Unless is something born out of fear to be alone, but that will only prove more that they shouldn’t have ended up together. Idk, it’s like Hermione and Ron. It works because they know each other for a long time, but it really isn’t the most convenient nor realistic
This video is my constant mood.
I hate what they did to Ron the most
Just because their obsession with Hermione...They ruined Ron
Agree. They were obsessed with Emma Watson. Not enough women in charge of the making of that film!
I have to explain every damn time why book Ron is my fav, since he's so dull in the movies...
As someone who basically only watched the movies, Ron was one of my least favorite characters, But I'm getting more respect for him now that I learn how he was in the books. It's unfortunate they had to bring a character down, to prop another up.
Cameron Burdick read the books now 😍
Please read the book, he is such an amazing friend and a man of his own.
They ruined my baby bean Ron :(:( i ofc love hermione but they don't have to ruin ron and this makes sm people hate ron
When I first saw the third movie when Hermione stole Ron’s line I just shut down. I was so pissed off that I didn’t even register the rest of the movie. Ron has always been my favorite character and I was looking forward to his moment so much because that line really cemented his place as my favorite character. That really ended my enjoyment of the movies in general because then I knew for sure that the director, screenwriter, even JK Rowling herself wouldn’t treat Ron as anything but bad comedic relief. Because book ron genuinely had some funny lines, but of course Ron couldn’t have ANY REDEEMING QUALITIES, THAT WOULD BE RIDICULOUS! What really made me mad was the introduction of Luna. In the books, GINNY introduced her because she knew her because she lived next door to them and was in the same year. Now, obviously the screenwriters didn’t want Ginny in just to introduce Luna, fair enough, but you know who WAS there? RON!!! He obviously ALSO knew Luna. Who did the screenwriters have introduce them to Luna?? HERMIONE! How exactly does Hermione know Luna? NO IDEA because as we’ve established Luna is a year younger AND in a different house. Especially since it was out of character for movie Hermione. Book Hermione was downright hostile to Luna once she found out her beliefs, but movie Hermione introduced her as “Loony” but never seemed to have an issue with her, I mean, why even put that in?
Why isn't Steve Kloves dead yet????
Ron and Hermione were much more believable in the books than in the movies. That statement I fully agree with.
Yes thank you! Although I do have to say that Rupert Grint was probably the best actor out of the trio. (not hating, they're all great) Unfortunate that they cast him as useless comedic fluff.
Problem is Kloves was a H/Hr shipper so it was more of a "Harry and Hermione and their good friend Ron who they let tag along" rather then the Golden TRIO
The sad truth is that HP like any other book to movie adaptation that way more people will watch the movie than read the book, so most fans will just think Ron was pointless comedic relief.
It’s quite sad too because Ron is one of the most likable characters in the series and isn’t even remotely close to how he’s portrayed in the movies.
I really liked your video ! What put me in a rage watching the movies was the part in deathly hallows where Harry jumps in the lake to get the sword, leading to his reunion with Ron and the destruction of the locket. The horcrux makes a last attempt to break Ron's spirits by 'confirming' every insecurity Ron has felt. Ron destroys it and, if my memory's correct, we see (from Harry's point of view) that Ron falls on his knees and shakes, so it's implied that he's crying and that his legs can't even hold him anymore after this *mentally exhausting/life-changing/mind-wrecking* experience. In the movie he's just like _meh_ and that's it. I mean, I had dealt with the movies' shit until that point but that was the cherry on top. Plus that was one of my favorite scenes of the book because it was a life-changing moment, both for Harry and Ron, so yeah, *annoying*
I can't remember the movie very well (because I'm an angry book fan and I refuse to watch them ever again) but I'm pretty sure that in that scene they took out the part where Harry tells Ron that he loves Hermione like a sister and he thought Ron knew that.
It's a beautiful scene in the book where Harry, who usually has as much tact as a bull in a china shop, comforts and reassures Ron who's very upset after having one of his worst fears shown to him. Harry also realises how much he's missed Ron, and they hug.
Urgh, the movies 😠
The movies did Ron so dirty
I KNOW RIGHTTTT
This is good. Ron is one of my favorite characters along with Luna Lovegood and ofc Hermione so I was so sad to see his character in the movies. Also I get so annoyed when ppl who has only watched the movies has audacity to say "I hate Ron" or "Harry and Hermione should have ended up together. Anyone who has read the books would have seen opposites attract chemistry between Ron and Hermione and would have picked up on Harry-Hermione's sister-brother dynamic. Also the Yule Ball was such an important part for their relationship and Hermione was not effortlessly cool in there like in the movies. She felt so insecure until that night that her "transformation" was such a big deal on that night. In the movie, their tension wit Ron is not consistently build up hence it just looks like Ron being grumpy.
Great video.
But what I hated most about the movies is how they handled the torture sceen at Malfoy Manor. This particular scene in the books made me cry, because of Ron's desperation and the utter horror he felt during Hermione's torture.
I'll never forgive them about how much they ruined that chapter.
Yeah right! And after that Ron's greatest fear was to see Hermione tortured (when he is encountered with a boggart that is what he sees) it was such a traumatic experience for him in the books and in the films all he does is looking kinda resigned
@@Dilara-ei4dl Yes, they ruined so much, but that's the worst part for sure.
That moment was the strongest Romione moment in the books.
Yet the movies treated it as an afterthought.
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Not even just Ron's, Harry's too
In the books it discribes Ron freaking out and screaming Hermione's name, Harry at first remains calmer and tells Ron to shut up so he can think of a way out of there but after awhile Hermione's screams get to him too. It's described in Harry's internal monologue as "the sound cutting through him like physical pain" and he's reduced to the same fruitless pacing and searching as Ron.
In the movie they look only mildly disturbed.
They didn't let Daniel or Rupert do that scene justice and I'm sure they both could've nailed it.
@@Dilara-ei4dl i read a head canon
'The thing that kept hermione strong while she was being tortured was rons voice'
i Agree. And i have gone on a couple of rants of my own on the subject. Ron is my fav character, and i love reading fanfiction. But because of the movies alote of people don't like him and totally mischaraterise him in any story his in. Another thing i hate aboute the movies is that the totally messed up the ravenclaw uniforms and sign. It's blue and bronze NOT blut and silver, and it's an eagel not a raven.
Anyway love the video.
Elin M yes I think he misinterpreted by a lot of people, even who read the books but because they saw the films first they think he’s mean or stupid etc.
Agreed, about the Ravenclaw uniform too, it’s a shame in films with so much wonderful detail they made silly changes like that! X
Ohhhh the Ravenclaw uniforms. It's such a tragedy. I can't understand it. How hard is it to get the colors right at least? It's even worse that this is supposed to represent the "smart" house, plus most merch is incorrect.
Hey there.
So I am someone who saw the film series first.
I still love both Ron and Hermione and the build up in their friendship/relationship.
Hermione is a great girl. Smart and brilliant and so capable of so much. Ron was a wonderful and supportive friend who jellied with Harry so quickly. He may have had his flaws but deeply care for Harry and Hermione despite any problems he had with either of them.
Maybe because it was Rupert playing Ron in the way he did but apart from Harry, Ron ended up being my favourite character. As much as I admired Hermione, I can't really related to her in the film. This was nothing to do with how Emma portrayed her but really how the scriptwriter choose to write Hermione. He really did a disservice to both Ron and Hermione but I doubt he's really that bothered about it.
What I will say is that even though the film series has now been tainted for me on the knowledge of the amazing book version of Ron and Hermione versus the corrupted film series version of them, I still like them enough to be able to continue watch the film series when it comes on tv.
It's such a shame that it happened and I do wonder if it possible influenced JKR herself when writing the last book/s?
(Apologies for the long comment!)
CJPDeQueen yess only true hp fans know how Ron and Hermione are perfect together
If you think this is long keep scrolling through the comments
I agree with you no matter what they are perfect for each other
I COMPLETELY agree. I hate the movies because of these reasons
Film harry isn't all that great either. Maybe partly due to the fact that we can't constantly be in his head all the time but even that aside i didn't think daniel radcliffe expressed enough emotion especially in order of the phoenix.
I disagree. Book Harry is kind of a muscle-headed jock. He's oblivious a lot of the time and is often described as holding back his emotions.
True, I was waiting to see his breakdown in Dumbledore's office, his irritation throughout the year. The director took stuff from him too, and have them to Hermione.
@@trequor all though Harry shows a lot of emotion he is that way because he's a steorytypical teenage jock
I actually think Daniel Radcliffe did fantastic as Harry Potter, the only film where he probably wasn't as good was the Philosopher's Stone. But he was only 11 or 12 back then so we can give him a break. It wasn't his fault that the screenwriter simply did a poor job of making the Order of the Phoenix film adaptation far from true to the book. Literally, over *half* of the book was missing in the film (if you know what I mean by that).
Hermione was my least favorite of the trio in the book. In the movie they managed to make me want to see Voldemort more than her.
I hated her in the movie. She was everything in the movie: pretty, smart, popular. I hated her.
In the book, I started to love her when she and Ron had moments (when Harry saw their hands close to each other as if they had been holding hands). I grew to appreciate her more.
In the movies, I had to leave them multiple times because nothing Harry or Ron or any other character did could make me want to watch more of Hermione's Mary Sue-ness.
She was a bitch, everything I couldn't be. Why so many girls liked her is because she was smart and brave, something we didn't get very much. They took her away and make her insufferable.
Ron was my favorite of the trio, the Weasley's were my favorite family. They ruined them. Made Arthur a joke, got rid of Charlie, Fred's death didn't hold nearly as much pain as in the book, made Ron worse of a joke than his father, took away Ginny's amazingness. At least they made Molly cool.
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Yes, so much yes! They ruined all of my favorite characters. Wish I didn't watch the movies at all.
I agree with every word you just said like every single word the books are better than the movies Hermoine's my least favorite Ron's my favorite and the Weasley's are the best and got screwed over in the films
Every HP character suffered at the cost of Hermione.
I wouldn'tmind if in a reboot, she is a non-entity while Ron,Harry,Ginny and all others are overglorified.
and the Burrow burning down just shows how much they hated the Weasleys lol
Totally agree, but yeah, at least Molly was cool.
Sometimes when there are so many elements to an argument that I feel so passionately about, and that is so widely spread (as in over the course of 7 books), I have trouble organizing my thoughts to become as concise as I’d want them to be. I can, therefore really appreciate the time and effort put into constructing such an eloquent, well researched, not to mention fascinating, argument. You said everything in this video that I never took the time to put into words. What a beautiful video; it described the under appreciated heart of these much beloved characters perfectly
When I first watched the movies, I liked movie Hermione better, because they removed the parts of her personality that made me feel uncomfortable -- such as that scene in the Forbidden Forest when Hermione admits to the centaurs that she hoped they would deal with Umbridge for her, and her admission almost gets her and Harry killed. We've established that movie Hermione is perfect, and admittedly I have issues with wanting to be perfect, so that made me admire movie Hermione and want to be her. I can see how making her perfect destroys her character from the books, but I feel the screenwriters did the same thing to movie Hagrid. In Hagrid's first class, when he learns none of the kids can open their Monster Book Of Monsters, in the film he glosses over it by saying, "Just stroke the spine, goodness me." This elicits a drastically different response from the class. In the book, Hagrid is upset that no one can open their book, and Draco uses that opportunity to insult Hagrid and make him look like a fool, throwing him off his game in his first attempt at teaching. But in the movie, because Hagrid is so nonchalant about it and then walks away, Draco just kind of raises an eyebrow and strokes the spine, and that's that. Worse, they take Hagrid's line about thinking the books were funny and give it to Hermione, which not only takes away from Hagrid's character (and his inclination to bring dangerous things to school) it also diminishes from the danger by having Hermione think the books are funny.
It seems to me that the screenwriters had the same issue with Hagrid that they may have had with Hermione in feeling uncomfortable about Hagrid's weaknesses and trying to gloss over them in the films.
The scriptwriter I think was a Harmione shipper. And because of that, the movies unfortunately did Ron dirty and amplified the Harry and Hermione relationship to more than it was. By not showing Ron yell in agony as he hears Hermione being tortured by Bellatrix in Malfoy Manor, and adding the Harry and Hermione dance scene in Deathly Hallows 1(which I can still see as a dance by platonic best friends), the audience who weren't as familiar with the books leaned toward believing that Harry and Hermione should have been together. But that is completely wrong. Harry never loved Hermione, and had a hard-on for Ginny all throughout Half Blood Prince. And Hermione always loved Ron.
I think the books did a mistake with Ron as well.
For example in philosopher stone, each of the trio had their talents, Hermione was the only one good at magic, Harry skilled on his broom and Ron was excellent at chess all of which were useful.
Later on when everyone started being able to do spells Harry started surpassing her in DADA, even Neville got Herbology, Ginny bot bogey hex and Fred and George are geniuses at item creation.
Ron should have been the best at some form of magic.
i completely agree on alot of things you said about Ron and Hermione. While i love Emma and Ruperts portrayal of them, they did ruin alot of their relationship in the films. I would of loved to see Ron scream for Hermione in DH. Im a hardcore Romione shipper and so i agree more romance in the films would of been nice. Love the video!
-Britt
the only screenplay not written by Kloves was Order of the Pheonix and that explores the characters much better than any of the other films did. Obviously you can't rewrite the characters 4 films in already but Goldenburg definitely did a better job of portraying just how meaningful *all* of Harry's friends are to him
Ikr!!!! Ron in OoTP was digestable compared to his shitty portrayal in PoA and GoF. Then Kloves had to ruin it all in HBP, DHP1 and DHP2.
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Hmm, I actually dislike the OOTP movie because Ron's character is non-existent. He doesn't say much, stays in the background and seems like a third wheel. The other screenwriter didn't do justice to Ron either.
God I can't wait for the Netflix Adaptation. We can fix Ginny too while we're at it
We need some max (stranger things) attitude
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@@palindromie8441 omg Max is basically book Ginny, yes! I love both. We could have had it aaall.
There will be a Netflix adaption? Why have I've never heard about that?..
I'm not sure... After what the movies did I'm basically scarred
Totally agree with everything you said. It's very very frustrating to see how they butchered his character in the movies
Ron and Harry are suppose to be best friends! Like brother's! It's so annoying. I really hope one day they remake the film's lol
They brushed over Harry and Ron's bromance so much.
I was shouting my throat out when I found out they didn't include the Silver Doe scene where Ron cries his heart out and Harry assures him all his insecurities are unfounded.
I'm still salty.
They basically took away all of Hermione's flaws and gave Ron's good traits to her, making her a Mary Sue and ruining her character that way, and they made Ron comedic relief with no good qualities, ruining his character.
anyone who realizes this is in my adoration list, ron is my favorite character and i loved his relationship with hermione, but the movies completely killed them
The Book Trio - Harry , Ron , Hermione
The Movie Trio - Harry , Hermione and a red head that's just for comic relief .
Well Hermione, Ron is my favorite character in the movies
@@Jamieberigan That's good to hear . I was saying the trio's dynamic was completely screwed in the movies
Thank you so much for this video! It’s all so true and has bothered me for years, especially their relationship development and the constant argument that has followed as to whether Hermione should have ended up with Ron or Harry. During the scene in Malfoy Manner, Ron’s distress, fear and heartbreak whilst Hermione was being tortured is such an instrumental part of his development, and their relationship. It was what brought everything together, and cemented all of the moments they had had over the years. We got to see how much he really loved her, and what he was willing to sacrifice for her. There is no doubt for me that Hermione ended up with the right person.
Rupert Grint is the perfect Ronald Weasley. He is a great actor. It's a shame they didnt give him much in the movies, he could have perfectly shown Ron's greatness in the book. I hate how the movies ruined Ron Weasley, he could have been everyone's favorite.
Ikr!!!! Rupert is 100000000x times more talented than Emma.
They ruined Ron, giving the others his best lines and making him a bufoon with the worst lines of the others, instead of someone who could complete his girl and enable his friend to become what he was supposed to be. JK knew EVERYONE loved Ron from the books best- and wanted that changed, as did the ones she wanted making the films
I'm waiting for a HP reboot where All the Weasleys get Justice!!!!
The films ruined every character...
Yup
In the Deathly Hallows book, it was Harry who had the idea of using the dragon to escape the bank. It wasn't even just limited to Ron.
Sadly, Steve Kloves did that.
In the first 2 films Harry and Ron where always together and they wjere clearly good friends, later on and especially the last films they seemed just nowhere near as close anymore which even I noticed before watching this video
exactly! i wish chris columbus directed all the films and not just the first two, i feel like the later films would’ve been so much more accurate to the books if he had been the director, and rons friendship with harry wouldn’t have seemed like it was less important than harry and hermione’s friendship.
Also exactly my thoughts! Chris Columbus did a very good Job by showing Rons and Harrys friendship. One of the reasons i liked him the most as a director! He understood the importance of their relationship! Not like David Yates, who even cut Rons and Harrys closest moment in DH, when they hugged and Harry comforted him. The movie Version of this moment was badly done in my opinion. And not as far as emotional.
Chris Columbus really understood the Trio. But the other directors bought Steve Kloves's wayy and that was the end of HP series.
I love the films, but there is so much i hate about them too.
One of them being how they wrote Ron, he is my favourite character in both book and film, Rupert Grint was perfect to play him, same for Daniel Radcliffe for Harry, (can't stand Emma Watson) but love Hermione. But yes, the films did nothing for Ron, to which i feel bad for Rupert cause he could of easily played book Ron.
Also wish Chris Columbus could directed all of them not just the first two.
Emma is wayyy an overrated actress. Seriously her eyebrows and Steve Kloves are the reason she's a popular actress in the industry.
Unpopular opinion but RUPERT GRINT had moree talent and skills than her.
@@scaranvostok3637 I agree, anything else I've seen her in, she is the same, has no acting range at all.
Rupert is a far superior actor, having seen all his work outside of the Harry Potter movies, he is very underated. I recently saw him Servant, he was amazing.
@@jessiewessie1450 Rupert is criminally underrated.
I appreciate Daniel Rad tho for straying away from the mainstream movies.
Rupert was the best of the three.
Seriously, the movies butchered the world's greatest book character imho and his actor who was massively talented than Emma.
Nowadays, only the media stans Emma because of her pretty appealing face and body.
Have you seen Rupert in Servant???
Dude, he is soooooo effing talented.
It's a shame Ron and Rupert was watered down.
AND JUSTICE FOR WEASLEYS AND RUPERT
@@scaranvostok3637 Couldn't agree more, i've followed Rupert and Dan's work outside of Harry Potter since 2002 and love them both dearly, i don't like Emma Watson at all and her wooden ass acting.
It pisses me off how some of Ron's bravest and epic moments were given to Herimone in the films!
@@jessiewessie1450 I know right it burns me. If they do a reboot, let's do a protest march for Ron!!!!
Read the book and see how amazing Ron actually is, as a real friend and a man of his own. He is my favorite character and the movie ruined him.
The rotten cherry on top is Hermione practically throwing Harry and Ron onto the dragon's back in Deathly Hallows 2. Sure she did; whatever you say, movies...
I wanted to avadakedavra Movie Hermione for ruining the entire 8 movies 😡😡
It makes sense that Ron knew everything , he’s the only one who actually had a wizard upbringing
And yet, this film series is pretty much the most accurate YA adaptation. Shows how horribly adapted the others. YA novels really should be made TV series. A book a season. Maybe a chapter an episode.
What's YA?
@Emily McDonald alas I never realized it until you told me
Yess
i think first 2 books a season ccos thats like start of hogwarts and its mystery solving then next 2 cos it gets darker with the marauders nape voldemort wormtail then the next 2 after voldeemort returns then deathly hallows has its own cos so much happens in it
one of my fav Ron and Harry moments is after Ron comes back in DH and destroys the locket and the movie just completely ruined it!!! also ruined Hermione and Rons first kiss it was so perfect in the book!! and having harry reminding them they still have a war to fight so funny!!
Ikr!!!!
I'm so super salty that they treated Ron's character arc redemption here in the Locket chapter as an afterthought. 😡😡😡
And that too with his emotional distress when Hermione was getting tortured.
Amazing video!!! ❤ Just something else that really bothers me (about Ron and Hermione) in the movies: Harry in the 7th book goes to die and doesn't tell R&H because they would stop him and in the movies they like complain a little bit but basically let him go? To die? Book Ron and Hermione would have stopped him somehow if they knew.
The movies have so tarnished everyone's remembrance of the characters from their true personas from the books. I can't remember how many people still to this day comment that Harry should have wound up with Hermione instead of Ron. I remind them that they are going by the movie version of the characters to make that determination. As yes, movie Harry and Hermione are made out to be more than best friends and so relatable to each other. Book Harry and Hermione are truly good friends but Harry would comment often in many books that she is annoying, boring and not someone he wants to hang out with all the time and is glad Ron is there as his best friend to fill that need. Hermione also comments in books that she can't stand that Harry is always siding with Ron and it infuriates her. Nothing about love or deep feelings anywhere here.
None of that is shown or hinted at in the movies so you would think that Harry and Hermione are meant for one another and Ron is just the court jester goofball who they tolerate with because he's fun to be around but it's just wacky and silly and over emotional Ron for the 8 movies we experience him in. In their efforts to turn Hermione into supergirl in the movies, they ruined a lot of the chemistry that the three had and with Harry's inner thoughts not being really noted as its a movie, Harry would always compliment Hermione when she did something great as Ron would just stand there looking silly or make a snide comment about it. Just weird how much Ron is really ruined in the movies. He's a goofball and makes weird noises and is always afraid or angry at Harry or Hermione all the time. They really just didn't capture his character right at all here and almost went out of their way to ruin him while making Hermione into the most ultimate female character imaginable when she definitely was not that in the books.
I really hope that one day we will have our true Book!Golden Trio and Book!Romione and Book!Hinny onscreen!!!!
Ron was very sidelined in the movies. In the books, Harry had this bond with him that was different from his friendship with Hermione. Ron was the one Harry could talk to about anything. Ron was the first friend Harry ever had. In the movies, Ron is more like a minor character. Most of his lines and actions are relegated to Hermione because of Kloves’s obvious bias. Ron deserved better.
I get quite upset with how Ron was portrayed in the movies because in the books, I mostly identify with Ron.
Street smart - a personality heavily determined by life experiences.
Popular with the friends who matter but bullied by those who don't matter.
Confident to a point, and confidence often envied by others - but that confidence covers a lot of self doubt that comes from image issues, feeling like you can't be yourself and have to say and like things to make others like you, sibling rivalry etc. Basically all the normal teen angst - just like Ron, I was able to hide feelings through comedy and likeableness, but I'd have episodes where that exploded out of me.
Great friends, great family, great upbringing - but wanting to be seen more by others because of my own achievements and not because of who i was friends with or the expericnces i'd had due to parents choices.
Intelligent enough to pass tests and do my homework, but not academically minded enough to focus heavily on getting top grades.
Sure, we often like the people who we identify with the most - hence why Ron, Luna and Tonks are my fav characters, and yet Movie Ron makes me feel that by identifying with Ron, all i'm good for is some light relief. Like I am the least important in my group of friends and I should just be thankful whenever they do me a favour and talk to me. Movie Ron is always in the background and generally just agrees with whats going on and then when he shows some strong emotion, he's seen as spitful and childish. If i'd seen all the movies first, I'd not have felt pulled to him, but by reading the books and seeing how important he is to the trio, I can't not be drawn to him in the movies. (Doesn't help that Rupert was my fav kid actor for a long time). So I always come away from the movies with a slightly bad taste - like I've just been reminded of my own place and that I shouldn't be so confident in myself.
Does that make any sense. I know a lot of the charcters lost something in the movies, but Ron is probably the one that upsets me most.
Yess I Know
Ron was the epitome for people who deal with insecurities and self-depression. Instead of a positive role model, we got a dirty caricature
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I noticed that the writers removed the house elf subplot with Hermione. It showed that, while Hermione was compassionate and caring, she could come off as a bit annoying. She wanted to forcefully free the Hogwarts house elves when they never wanted it. Everyone tells her, from Ron to Fred and George to Hagrid, that house elves like working and hate vacations. Her leaving clothes around pisses them off and they refuse to clean Gryffindor Tower, leaving it to Dobby, who enjoys his freedom but enjoys working at Hogwarts more. He even tells Hermione to stop talking about him when mentioning freedom to the other elves. It’s this subplot that leads to her and Ron kissing in the last book.
Instead of Hermione, it’s Ron who remembers the house elves and says they should all run so they don’t have “any more Dobbys” (ie dead house elves). That leads to Hermione kissing him. I have a feeling the house elf subplot was cut because it would have shown Hermione as annoying and not flawless, like Kloves wanted her to be, which ruins the movies for me because that subplot showed a different side to Hermione. She was not just a logical bookworm. She was also a compassionate and caring girl who honestly meant well, even if it annoyed the house elves.
I love this video. All these years i have felt that the movies ruined the dynamic between the three of them but especially Ron and Hermione. I absolutely LOATHED the halfblood prince movie and wanted to cry when i saw it in theaters. I fumed the whole way home and then when i could finally talk about it i could not stop ranting. I felt that throughout the first 5 movies they had changed Ron and Hermione so much that the 6th one was destined to be exactly as polluted as it turned out. The screen writers had twisted them so much that at that point they could no longer correct their paths. On paper, the 6th book was my favorite. all of the characters had reached a point in their character arcs that essentially filled this book with everything we understood and hoped for them... the good, the bad, and the ugly. In the movie, they seemed to forget all of the real issues and focused mostly on the teenage drama of it all and even then... it was so vapid that i groaned several times while watching it. It's like they forgot this was a group of wizards that have almost died AND saved so each other so many times... and instead focused on their teenage drama. Ron and Hermione on the screen seemed like an afterthought. They threw in bit of "see... they like each other..." whereas on paper you could see their development. You could FEEL how they flowed so well and how much they came to care for each other. You could see the evidence of it, and as you said... they complemented each other perfectly. I loved book Ron, but hated movie Ron. they made him shallow, and kind of a coward. I'm all for female strength and positive female role models, but if Hermione had been allowed to remain the Hermione of the books, i would have had more respect for her character on film. I felt like the films were trying to force feed female empowerment down our throats, when they could have done that by NOT changing her. The growth and courage she displayed was empowering as is!
I am back even though it has been two years and I just... I am very sad because Rupert Grint is a great actor and I really think he could've portrayed book ron so well and that just went to waste. Very very sad about that.
He was the reason Movie Ron was saved from being totally unlikeable.
He knew how portray emotion.
It's sad that he and his character are underrated.
@@scaranvostok3637 well said
What irks me is that strong female protagonists in films are made to be too good at everything. Hermione is strong in the books but her strengths is her intelligence not jumping on dragons. And her brains is valued as equally as Ron and Harry’s brawn. This shows that you don’t have to be good at everything to be valued.
Yess even Hermione was not that a great duellist either.
Ron and Hermione truly had an amazing love story. It was amazing because it wasn't perfect. It was teenage romance. There was jealousy and heartbreak. In Half Blood Prince there was a whole jealousy competition and love triangle going on. But in the end they loved each other more than anything.
I am so torn because Prisoners of Azkaban is my favorite Harry Potter film [because of the atmosphere and director's take], but you are soooooooo right about how badly it messes up Ron and Hermione's character.
Hell, the second and third films in general are my favorites, but each have some of the worst "rewritten for the movie" scenes.
The last five movies felt like Hermione Granger and the Two Idiots
The first two were okay but still the franchise was crappy.
I dislike the movies. They are like an orange with the pulp scooped out replaced with artificial orange and hfcs
I hate that hermoine said if you kill him then you have to kill us both that was actually Ron‘s line
All so true so a good video the films are lovely but it's such a shame Hermione got the Hollywood treatment. I would also add Ron and Harry are much closer and Harry confides in Ron so much more as Hermione is very judgemental on things Harry does as she always believes she's right (see the broom in the third book, fourth book Harry can't ask her about the egg task as he feels she'll lecture him). It's even clear how much Ron gels the group in the 7th book when he leaves and Harry and Hermione hardly speak to eachother.
I know right. Basically everything you said happened the opposite in the movies which I hate a lot. You're also forgetting the fact that Harry stated in GoF book that he prefers Ron more than Hermione to hang out with
I 100% blame the movie screenwriter, he LOVED Hermoine so he went out of his way to make her perfect. Which Harry and especially Ron suffered for, to make Hermoine look good, they had to look foolish.
I COMPLETELY AGREE. This change of Rons character affected their romance. Sometimes its the little things that matters the most for the outcome.... they over looked it
Excellent video. I'm going to overshare with you if that's O.K., in order to agree with your assessment...
TLDR: Hermione needs Ron. Because she's not perfect.
I have an IQ of 142. I don't normally share that fact with people, as it's not something that I feel makes me anymore special than anyone else, as it comes with its own challenges and flaws. However, it is essential to making my point, and so I include it as relevant.
My biggest weakness is definitely overthinking. Overthinking causes too many thoughts to flash through my mind, where I can't focus on things that I already know and should remember easily. My thoughts overpower my emotions and I'm want to panic. So sometimes I need my less intelligent, but absolutely more level headed, best friend to talk me through it and to point out the obvious with his wonderful common sense and witty humour. He pulls me back from my spiral and gets me back on track. I love him for it and we've been together for 5 years now. We help each other because we both have our own strengths. He's steadfastly loyal and will always have my back. He's my Ron. I adore him and need him. Yes, he teases me that I can be a "know it all" and sometimes get so focussed on a topic and learning about it and telling him and everyone else about it that I can be irritating... but he also tells me that it's one of the reasons he admires me as well.
I am also generally disliked by people that I meet if I do not restrain myself, as "normal" people don't appreciate the speed with which my mind works, and the way I don't feel the need to explain as I speak, as well as the jumps I make in my speech because my brain is already three steps further along than what I am saying. It can be annoying for people and it's difficult for me to slow down my "flow" once I get on a roll. I leave things out because I've already moved past them, and this can make it seem like I've jumped to a completely unrelated topic, when I haven't, I've just not verbalised those steps in the logic. So sometimes my best friend will amusingly fill in the gaps that I've left because he knows what I'm trying to say (he knows me so well!) and can put it into words in a much simpler, and therefore better, way than I can. He helps me where I need him the most, and he's so great about it and so funny when he does it that I just love him for it!
O.K., over sharing complete.
I think this is why I haven't watched the films more than once each, due to the complete disregard for Ron AND Hermione, and how the changing of their characters robs both of them of the relationship that their book counterparts share. It's an almost perfect portrayal of the plight of the overly intelligent female and the one who is her perfect match, and I've never found another comparison in literature that speaks to my own particular brand of truth.
I don't care that the screenwriter liked Hermione the best. I too saw that interview awhile ago and it infuriated me... because he just didn't get it. He changed them both and created something that was less than the original, and actually made film Hermione by far my least favourite character. She's what dumb people think intelligent people are like: completely unbelievable, insufferably perfect, totally without flaws or weaknesses, absolutely self-sufficient, and without any semblance of a soul.
Intelligence is not a super power. It's simply another form of the human condition and has its own special brand of a "cross to bear", which is not an island of its own, devoid of the need of human intervention. It's just another way of being a human being.
Anyway, my point is that I really enjoyed your video and, without Ron, Hermione sucks. Thank you. :)
I can relate totally :)
Very well said!
When reading your storry I totally pictured Ron and Hermione on their wedding day and Hermionie saying something simillar in her vows.
Juli Yes! And Ron listens to her whole speech, “looking both stunned and impressed.” I love that image. Thank you. :)
I love your explanation! Reading your personal opinion on the subject makes me understand even more what exactly the problem is here. Thank you!😀
Thank you for sharing, you are so blessed to have your Ron
How about the first kiss between Ron and Hermione. In the movie it was awkward but in the books Ron said something about saving the house elves right before Hermione threw herself at him. The first kiss in the movie was awkward because the filmmakers didn't understand how to earn that moment.
Ikr!!!!
It annoyed me so much when hermione was the one that told Harry that she would be with Harry whatever happens while Ron just sits in the background.
I don't really get JK Rowling and Steve Kloves. If they love so much book Hermione, why to give her in the movies traits and lines of book Ron? That's so hypocritical.
I blame him for the entire infamous Wonderland interview 2014
I absolutely loved both Hermione and Ron in the books but the movies managed to take my two favourite characters and made them unrecognisable and unlikable and I'm still mad about it after all this time
Wow, I wasn't even aware that these differences were so severe in the films. Of course I read the books before I watched the movies and it seems like I projected "my" known characters into the screen ones and didn't notice that much, how they transferred Ron's bright moments to Hermoine and so on
Yeah I think I did that too. But after watching this video, I see it 100%