It's nice to see some revisit of these moments when games were actually enjoyable, I've made so many friends on this game and this was the only one I was so hyped about back then.
remember when we Ogs used to get 3 teammates fight many plants or zombies or times when we used to try to do the bomb match where we have to bring a bomb to a tower to blow it up or save our tower from the bomb and that other type of match where we would go to check points to take it from your opponents and then after taking it u would head to the next check point to take along with your comrades who are either AI or normal people in multiplayer oh and when we all go do solo quest and also go do death matches were we have to get the most kills... garden warfare 2 in it's prime was the best game in 2016 am i right brothers?
@@wolf_x335 because after when they stopped supporting pvz bfn cause it wasn't successful as GW cause some employees who worked on the console games left and without them its gonna be pretty hard to make them
Yes, this is just perfect! Garden Warfare was/is always fun, but playing as the zombies was way more fun to me then as the plants. I really hope that the new plants are fun to play as, as well as the zombies. If there is both Graveyard AND Garden Ops, that would be pure epicness.
@@wolf_x335 Shit man, that came from nowhere. Now? A lot has changed in 7 years or so. I got a girlfriend. My parents got divorced. I got engaged. My childhood house sold. Still can remember the hype behind GW2, those where simpeler days. Even though live now is a alot more chaotic, I wouldn't trade it for anything in the world.
@@relagob8380 This is all wonderful in 7 years. I hope that God will grant you success in your life, brother. I hope that the days when I used to see the pvz GW2 game shows will come back. They were beautiful days in my life. I hope that 2015 + 2016 will come back.
I love how much they flipped the plants side around. Instead of brow coats they're weeds. And you can plant zombots and defend graveyards now. What a cool twist to the class GW. I also love how your hard earned characters actually transfer aswell as the new zombies and plants
It's interesting to see how different a game was at its beginning. For example, the Imp's gravity grenade was pink and really transparent; ability icons look realistic instead of the new cartoonish ones; and Captain Deadbeard has quiet and realistic shooting.
yeah the abilities looked like they had the GW style but in the end game it looked more plain and plus in the z tech factory well it didnt live up to the escape part
kaml if only the factory would actually self destruct after beating wave 10 rather than just evacuating leaving the factory in the same state before you came
Wow....this looks so AMAZING I cannot wait for this gem to come out so many sleepless hours plus laughs with the first one I had a lot of fun with it I'm 26 years old you're never too old to have fun and be excited for something this cool ^.^
Alex Jones Scientist I do not like the game idea I mean I will like a new garden warfare but come this means no free dlc and hard work on 1 will go to waste considering the new game will take the fans away from 1...ugh time to start saving money
Holy s***! I totally forgot that there was an official TH-cam channel for PvZ! I don't even remember seeing this video! I remember the first ever reveal trailer of GW2 tho, and GW1 as well! My interest was high asf when I saw those for the first time! Ahhhhh, nostalgia. . . 😌💖🔥
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Hopefully Garden Ops is still in this, only problem in the first one is that only one side had a mode like this and the zombies were left out. Don't want it ending up being the other way around. :c
some changes ive noticed: -The Username font, and health bar color -The icon for Weeds to show that theyre coming -Dave voice line -Giga Torchwood icon and voice lines -More lighting on Dave and Zomboss’s model -the spinner sounds -character icon changes (i know it looks like that for some, but for others its a different icon. so dont attack me)
This takes us back to the days where impkata was doing 15 SB: punches count as ammo Captain with a low budget ass shotgun And a badass way to get to the zomboss blimp by using the zmech eject button yet we didn't get ever in launch and post launch
I really hope normal Garden Ops returns where your the plant team defending new areas you capture from the zombies like the zombies defend their labs from the plants now....I wanted a garden ops mode for both teams in the last game so it would be great if we got that :p
i played 150 hours of gw1 in the span of 3 years, over 500 in gw2 in a year and like 10 in bfn for like a week. PLEASE JUST GIVE US GW3!!! I DONT WANT THE SHOOTERS TO DIE OUT!!!
ive been waiting for this forever.Graveyard ops looks awesome!do you need to unlock the zoologist or is it one of the starting charecters?but thanks for the new cool zombies and plants.
I remember the time when I played the first Plants vs. Zombies game that was a long time ago(Not garden warfare). It's truly amazing on how far they got, from just a simple mobile video game. Just like Angry Birds!
I hope theres more interchangeable skills for all the characters. Like what they did to the imp is pretty cool. Hope theres like L2 R2 super or 4th skill. 3 skills are okay too as long as they are changeable so theres more variety.
So hyped that PvZ: GW is getting a sequel. For a moment I was scared they were getting rid of the old classes for the new ones. Glad to see that is not the case. The new classes look great but I really like all classes for both sides with the exception of the chomper (for noobs). Zombie co op, single player bots, once again free dlc... damn I'm sold.
RJ S I wouldn't say Chomper is for noobs at all. He's so easy to take out once in the open, so you're forced to be stealthy or die every time you get a vanquish.
Jetset575 lmao pretty much every dang chomper i've encountered is a one hit wonder. I can have a twelve kill streak and all it takes is one chomper to pull a bs kill. The hit box for it needs to be fixed. You know how it's an instant kill from behind? Well often times I'll be turning as they try to get me and the animation for the behind kill will still happen but with me facing it and i'll get killed from the front with a "back" kill. Only for the chomper to die immediately after. I'll end a round like 5:1 and look at the scoreboard and the chompers are almost always last. Future cactus and camo zombies are the best.
If gw3 does come out there should be a 3rd team called the gnomes, and gw3's story would be where the gnomes take over the earth,where plants and zombies have to team up to take on the gnomes
Gwen isn’t gonna happen unfortunately, bfn was supposed to be the last game and it also flopped plus the people who were working on the games don’t work on em anymore so there isn’t anyone to make it
7 years ago? Damn I remember when the video said ‘uploaded 2/3 hours ago’. Doesn’t seem that long ago but it is. Back then the game felt so revolutionary and exciting such as introducing the backyard as the games ‘menu hub’ if you will. I was so desperate to play and I kept watching this trailer over and over. And now, after years of playing, the game feels pretty stale and second nature (not the games fault its just how time has moved on). This game will always remain as one my biggest gaming memories of all time. Even though I don’t play no where near as much now, I always find the time to log back on and play.
![โกหกเธอทั้งนั้น (Pinocchio) - SERIOUS BACON [Official MV]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/P1HhTYwrR5A/mqdefault.jpg)
crazy to know this was 5 years ago. the games are still amazing
than new part...
Better than neighborville
I wish they made pvz gw3 instead of bfn
Incredible
But lack of player. I used to play it and there is no one in the server.
It's nice to see some revisit of these moments when games were actually enjoyable, I've made so many friends on this game and this was the only one I was so hyped about back then.
This trailer gave me the hype I needed!
...gw 2 story mode rp...or rpg
remember when we Ogs used to get 3 teammates fight many plants or zombies or times when we used to try to do the bomb match where we have to bring a bomb to a tower to blow it up or save our tower from the bomb and that other type of match where we would go to check points to take it from your opponents and then after taking it u would head to the next check point to take along with your comrades who are either AI or normal people in multiplayer oh and when we all go do solo quest and also go do death matches were we have to get the most kills... garden warfare 2 in it's prime was the best game in 2016 am i right brothers?
"Oh, you're trying to destroy my factory? Jokes on you, we're going to destroy it ourselves."
Lol
They can’t destroy the factory if you destroy it first
Lmao 🤣
-dr edgar zomboss
....as he once said "IM THE BRILLIANT AND STARDLING GOOD LOOKING DR ADGA GORD ZOMBOSS or also know as the great genius that as ever lived"
When I was young, I saw this show and my feeling was top of madness and enthusiasm. I hope this will be repeated with GW3
Uhhhh ya that's HIGHLY UNLIKELY right now
@@Novatheobjectguy_2669 Why?
@@wolf_x335 because after when they stopped supporting pvz bfn cause it wasn't successful as GW cause some employees who worked on the console games left and without them its gonna be pretty hard to make them
@@Novatheobjectguy_2669 It means that the BFN failed and the next part will be GW3?
@@Novatheobjectguy_2669 I asked Google when Plants vs zombies GW3 would be released and the answer was October 2022
absolute fking nostalgia. This game was amazing
Seeeee
Yes, this is just perfect!
Garden Warfare was/is always fun, but playing as the zombies was way more fun to me then as the plants.
I really hope that the new plants are fun to play as, as well as the zombies.
If there is both Graveyard AND Garden Ops, that would be pure epicness.
I agree
how are you now?
@@wolf_x335 Shit man, that came from nowhere. Now? A lot has changed in 7 years or so.
I got a girlfriend.
My parents got divorced.
I got engaged.
My childhood house sold.
Still can remember the hype behind GW2, those where simpeler days.
Even though live now is a alot more chaotic, I wouldn't trade it for anything in the world.
@@relagob8380 This is all wonderful in 7 years. I hope that God will grant you success in your life, brother. I hope that the days when I used to see the pvz GW2 game shows will come back. They were beautiful days in my life. I hope that 2015 + 2016 will come back.
I love how much they flipped the plants side around. Instead of brow coats they're weeds. And you can plant zombots and defend graveyards now. What a cool twist to the class GW. I also love how your hard earned characters actually transfer aswell as the new zombies and plants
Yeah but i'm still sad to i reach rank 313 in gW1 like two weeks before they decided to quit the GW1 progress reward
This didnt age well
@@ChaosAbandon yeah, in PC this Game is filled of hackers
@@sackboydjso what?
@@ChaosAbandon in PC is normal find hackers xD
It's interesting to see how different a game was at its beginning. For example, the Imp's gravity grenade was pink and really transparent; ability icons look realistic instead of the new cartoonish ones; and Captain Deadbeard has quiet and realistic shooting.
yeah the abilities looked like they had the GW style but in the end game it looked more plain and plus in the z tech factory well it didnt live up to the escape part
When the imp did the jump into van thing, I actually thought you could do that in-game
*I got left behind*
Did that acully happen?
@@tippmannowner yes
@@aslightlystablefootsoldier9838 wow
Rip
You can’t it’s a video
Oh my god I remember how hyped I was for this game’s launch
Indeed...
Yeah me to...
Yup me too
Same...
I think one of the best feelings in the world is being hyped for a game.
There's no denying or questioning the high level of creativity these game developers possess. This game looks fantastic.
Yep
honestly the self destruct exclusive to this map wouldve been awesome, even in a map like boney island the volcano would erupt.
Agreed
Turbo twister: Kills weeds instantly.
Final version: I’m about to end this mans whole career
1.0 turbo twister was op, it dealt 8 dmg per hit
Old vs new
Well its still useful for tanking damage at long range but crap for damage.
AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
IULITM !! :D
😃
I'm going to pre order forget bo3
That's how we spent our money on garden warfare 2
IULITM if PVZ:GW(1) can join PVZ:GW2, I'll be crazy!!!!!!!!!I think GW2 is better than GW(1)
0:40 when you open a pack of gum around your classmates
That’s really funny
But I think it’s 0:39
I remember how much I loved GW1 and how hyped I was for this...
*and how I couldn’t play it cuz I only had an xbox 360*
I remember watching the whole thing entertained when I was small. And getting it for the first time was the best thing to happen to me
successfully defending the factory to zomboss could include self-destruction. Good job zomboss
kaml if only the factory would actually self destruct after beating wave 10 rather than just evacuating leaving the factory in the same state before you came
SomeStrangePug I wished that the maps all had cinematic intros and escapes it would have been very awesome
@@ItsKitSama nhd
The Zomboss sacrificed himself cuz he was proud of the zombies defending the factory
@@griffindisy9028 actually that doesn't matches with way of his behavior.
This game genuinely makes me emotional, I've been with it since I was 8, and in gw1 before it,
Wow
This game looks so much different than what it looks like now
I'm so happy this game is coming out.I loved the first one and I think, I'm going to love this one too.
This looks amazing! Can't wait for spring!
You again!!!
Well, how are your thoughts?
0:46 See? I told you Zomboss spends more time on his PZ(Personal Zomputer) than on the ZomBox!!
E
LMFAO
He also has a PlayZtation4.
I hope that the old gamemodes will be in this game as well because I love defending as the plants and stuff like that.
0:32 Engineer fart 😂😂😂😂
I love the silly engineers in all the trailers!
***** Imp will definetely be a fan favorite :D
I'm imagining an entire team of imps and their mechs just like all starts in gw1
Yap the imp will be a fan favorite
T Schro the mech looks so O.P poor plants they are always in the losing end in GW
Vladimir Chavez they need to nerf the zombies jeez I mean also its the fact everyone is on 1 team then the other...
I am a HUGE fan of pvz franchise (including garden warfare) and i can say this looks EPIC.
Yeah well it was amzing
god i remember when i used to be hype for this game.great times. :)
Edit: Uh the battle for neighborville kinda got flopped hard so uh rip
Gw3 ( battle for neighborville ) is coming! Expected release date is februrary 2020
The Random Noob oh shit thanks for telling me
@@angelbutnotreally6585 the new characters look is ugly in my opinion but still waiting for the new game
I think the new designs are actually really good besides rose
Inkymation when i saw rose i was like “the fuck is that!?”
0:53 Gotta love that smooth transition
Wow....this looks so AMAZING I cannot wait for this gem to come out so many sleepless hours plus laughs with the first one I had a lot of fun with it I'm 26 years old you're never too old to have fun and be excited for something this cool ^.^
Who's boarding the hype train with me...CHOO! CHOO!
Me 2
Help it's taking me on a wild ride ;~;
Dominus Tslashius think were gonna need a bigger train
Andrew Schultz I agree.
Dominus Tslashius can i join?
0:46 Chomper starts targeting you
0:50 You remember engineer exists
I really wished they kept the self-destruct system, instead the just go to the location to get out of here
Did anybody saw that in 2:55 there was a hidden yeti disco zombie and graveyard in the slot machine? Crazy Dave's slotslot machine must be old
Who can't wait for this game?
***** thx
Alex Jones Scientist I cannot wait
Games for REAL me too.
Alex Jones Scientist I do not like the game idea I mean I will like a new garden warfare but come this means no free dlc and hard work on 1 will go to waste considering the new game will take the fans away from 1...ugh time to start saving money
Honestly, my main priorities right now are a PS4, Fallout 4, and Star Wars Battlefront. PvZ still looks pretty cool though.
2:10 this didn’t age quite so well
It really didn't.
Modern Turbo twister is so weak it's not even funny
@@CoralReaper707there really isn't any reason to use it for anything
@@Dr.jerk1357The only thing it’s good for is for retreating if your low on HP.
Notice at 3:08 how the music changes because that's the Torchwood Super Boss wave music that got scrapped and never released. I wonder why...
It was used in bfn
hehe looks like the Imp has played Titanfall.
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Didn't expect u here onyxking lol
This gotta be put in youtube museum
Nothing can describe the pure excitement.
Titanfall 2 confirmed
Yes
Lmao
I remember when this was first revealed and this trailer was first released
I was so excited.
So little has changed but it seems like a entirely different game
Him: Defend my Factory!
Also Him: "Destroys His Factory"
Holy s***! I totally forgot that there was an official TH-cam channel for PvZ! I don't even remember seeing this video! I remember the first ever reveal trailer of GW2 tho, and GW1 as well! My interest was high asf when I saw those for the first time! Ahhhhh, nostalgia. . . 😌💖🔥
anyone from July 2019 looking on how this has changed a lot since the 4 years
@World's fake funs I AM NOVEMBER 2019!
Is the game any good mate?
Nov 22
December 2019
July 2020
Great Job Guys! :D
***** guess we're back at it again XD i cant wait to get my hands on this
Mr Toasty OP and you were right about tombstone ops! :-)
wait, zero, didnt i predict something like this back before the lawn dlc with the prehistoric character stuff?
eoek,ddllss
dkkdieex,skfiui
dkkddkkdd
Would you wanna subscribe to me? I plan on playing this at launch and was wondering if you'd wanna follow my live streams and videos on it. I'm just finishing my SR:GOOH playthrough.
I can’t believe this was 8 years ago. I genuinely can’t. I still feel like this game was fairly recent, it’s so good
Hopefully Garden Ops is still in this, only problem in the first one is that only one side had a mode like this and the zombies were left out. Don't want it ending up being the other way around. :c
I am so hooked on the first Garden Warfare, easily the game I still play most online.......really pumped for this. Gardens and Graveyards is crack.
"I don't need it, I don't even care... I NEED IT!!!!!"
some changes ive noticed:
-The Username font, and health bar color
-The icon for Weeds to show that theyre coming
-Dave voice line
-Giga Torchwood icon and voice lines
-More lighting on Dave and Zomboss’s model
-the spinner sounds
-character icon changes (i know it looks like that for some, but for others its a different icon. so dont attack me)
1:17 esa cancion de fondo, siempre sera mi favorita ❤
y como se llama la canción completa?
No me se su nombre pero es esé : th-cam.com/video/WKrfG-dEdLg/w-d-xo.htmlsi=bMlS6a_DcsIKie4s
@@JJdangerzone55
3:25 why didn't that huge zombot in the background just crush the giga torchwood?
ERROR 404: ZOMBOT BROKEN
Dont cry because its over, smile because it happened. In my oninion the best game of the entire franchise
Awesome you made the grapics even better and still 3D nice job you guys are the best
This takes us back to the days where impkata was doing 15
SB: punches count as ammo
Captain with a low budget ass shotgun
And a badass way to get to the zomboss blimp by using the zmech eject button yet we didn't get ever in launch and post launch
And turbo twister actually…y'know
DID SOMETHING.
0:32 Who heard the AC Perry fart and saw the Citron behind him?
Those werent citrons
@@yeet6055 it was one citron and he was talking about the time at the timstamp and not a few seconds later
I...I don't know which faction is good & which faction is bad anymore
What are you talking about
T Schro are the plants even the good guys anymore? Are the zombies even bad guys even more?
T Schro in this game the plants sounds evil and the zombies good,the zombies take over the world and now the plants want the world back
XXLE6IT2 The zombies are still bad. It's just that now, they aren't always the ones that are attacking.
XXLE6IT2 The plot is that zombies have took over and now the plants are attacking so its basicly the other way around
I really hope normal Garden Ops returns where your the plant team defending new areas you capture from the zombies like the zombies defend their labs from the plants now....I wanted a garden ops mode for both teams in the last game so it would be great if we got that :p
I remember this demo when this was new
I never remembered the demo lol.
Desde hace tiempo me imagine un modo de juego haci con los zombies ;)
Ok, i think i know whats going on. PvZ GW 1. PvZ GW 2. PvZ GW 3. PvZ Modern Warfare. PvZ Advanced Warfare. COD Comfirmed?!
+Ruff killa What's with the weird spacing?
PvZ: Black Crops
+Ruff killa Cod isn't real to me
you mean pvz modern gravefare see what I did there.
+Foxy Gamer nah bro you ruined it...
there was no head falling
there was no ammo for heroic fists (because you know)
the boss icons and everything was changed
This was probably the first game I was ever hyped for, I was 9 when this was first dropped and at the time GW1 was my favourite game
i played 150 hours of gw1 in the span of 3 years, over 500 in gw2 in a year and like 10 in bfn for like a week. PLEASE JUST GIVE US GW3!!! I DONT WANT THE SHOOTERS TO DIE OUT!!!
Que recuerdos:')
It was because of this game that I gained a sense of time when I was 7 years old
who saw citron at 0:43?
The first character I want to be is the Imp. I can't resist him! lol
and how was the imp?
Kivo L.
Well guess we won’t have an answer-
At 3:54 is probably my most favorite part of the Gameplay.
I watched trailer like 20 all those years back because of how excited I was for this game
Plants: good guys Zombies: bad guys
How about that?
no
ive been waiting for this forever.Graveyard ops looks awesome!do you need to unlock the zoologist or is it one of the starting charecters?but thanks for the new cool zombies and plants.
4:07 where did that destroyed zombot head come from
Oh boi I can’t wait until this game gets released 🤩
Dang. 5 years?!?!
4:55 T-Pose Zomboss
He isn't T-posing
That was an Imp, not Zomboss.
@@bucketbutters866 he's T posing...
@@oav8098 2 years later, he's not. He's in an A pose (i think that exists, right?)
4:41 this is where the vanquish confirmed screenshot came from
Well yes but actually no
First one of the PvZ Shooters I played. Loved it and have loved BfN. Still do.
Plants vs Zombies Garden Warfare & Battle For Neighborville Series Are My Favourite Games Of All Time :)
3:18 stand by for titanfall
How was the first game(which I love) made by a company who has NO experience with fps shooters better than most of the fps shooters out today?!
ea helped them
because they own popcap
+George Ahio it is a third person shooter
Because it has the abilities from MOBA style games and the shooter aspect...
George Ahio if you watch interviews with popcap and watch popcap livestreams, you will know multiple developers worked on. Battlefield
game looks so much different than it does today
0:35
Perry: tf was that??
Weeds: yo wats up
* Perry gets beaten to de@th *
I like this, feels more balanced now that the plants have to invade.
I remember the time when I played the first Plants vs. Zombies game that was a long time ago(Not garden warfare). It's truly amazing on how far they got, from just a simple mobile video game. Just like Angry Birds!
Nerf Wars - Scarl0ck this is so late but it started out on the pc
Scarl0ck _ uuuuuuuuuuuuu6uuuuuuu6uuuuuuuu
0
Scarl0ck _ gvgwvhh
I hope theres more interchangeable skills for all the characters. Like what they did to the imp is pretty cool. Hope theres like L2 R2 super or 4th skill. 3 skills are okay too as long as they are changeable so theres more variety.
It's already 5 years? I swear that was like 2
So hyped that PvZ: GW is getting a sequel. For a moment I was scared they were getting rid of the old classes for the new ones. Glad to see that is not the case. The new classes look great but I really like all classes for both sides with the exception of the chomper (for noobs). Zombie co op, single player bots, once again free dlc... damn I'm sold.
Fuck you the Chomper is amazing and has a stracheghic style
Snivy Land i want in that pvz had a boss like Chompsaurus rex or Chompzilla
RJ S I wouldn't say Chomper is for noobs at all. He's so easy to take out once in the open, so you're forced to be stealthy or die every time you get a vanquish.
Jetset575 PvZ GW1 dont have so much chomper pros,everything you see are just suicide chompers...
Jetset575
lmao pretty much every dang chomper i've encountered is a one hit wonder. I can have a twelve kill streak and all it takes is one chomper to pull a bs kill. The hit box for it needs to be fixed. You know how it's an instant kill from behind? Well often times I'll be turning as they try to get me and the animation for the behind kill will still happen but with me facing it and i'll get killed from the front with a "back" kill. Only for the chomper to die immediately after. I'll end a round like 5:1 and look at the scoreboard and the chompers are almost always last. Future cactus and camo zombies are the best.
1:23 MR TOASTY
If gw3 does come out there should be a 3rd team called the gnomes, and gw3's story would be where the gnomes take over the earth,where plants and zombies have to team up to take on the gnomes
Gwen isn’t gonna happen unfortunately, bfn was supposed to be the last game and it also flopped plus the people who were working on the games don’t work on em anymore so there isn’t anyone to make it
7 years ago?
Damn I remember when the video said ‘uploaded 2/3 hours ago’. Doesn’t seem that long ago but it is.
Back then the game felt so revolutionary and exciting such as introducing the backyard as the games ‘menu hub’ if you will. I was so desperate to play and I kept watching this trailer over and over. And now, after years of playing, the game feels pretty stale and second nature (not the games fault its just how time has moved on).
This game will always remain as one my biggest gaming memories of all time. Even though I don’t play no where near as much now, I always find the time to log back on and play.
0:39 Slah!
Plants are the attackers? thats going to be interesting
vaxfw f
Well the zombies have taken over now
Also fire chomper I played against your type AND YOU'RE EASY TO KILL
I remember how hype this gameplay reveal was
3:16 imp: ima need something a little bit bigger
I'd like to see this on Wii U.
To bad. It's inly for pa4, XB1 and PC.
MRNAZIZOMBIE11 wait is this for
xbox 360?
Ricardo Cervantez nooe. Check the official website and the video description
TheUnkown2u Fuck Nintendo, they only make exclusive games for their console so why should we share this amazing game with them?
Ahh! Man😣
2:50 Crazy Dave demo voice
man his demo voice was horrible 😂
@@pandachaozyea
The beginning is really scary just imagine turning around to a bunch of weeds
Who's watching this 8 months after the game was released? I am
RexJake Gaming101 me
*Sheepishly whistles* I just bought it lol
10 months
RexJake Gaming101 2 years
I highly doubt that.