This comment saved me. I speckled the old one for my kids pc when I intended the phantom spirit. I was able to cancel and reorder in time thanks to your comment
@@v0ldy54 they really should. Especially since the phantom spirit only makes them look better as a company since it’s such a nice looking cooler for the money. The Peerless Assassin just won’t die due to all the high praise on TH-cam over the years.
Seems like you can already buy the Deepcool vapor chamber in Spain for 115€ in a couple stores "on sale". Meanwhile NH-D15 G2 is 150€ everywhere. Seems like a no brainer (though I'd still go for thermalright myself since I don't need higher performance). Arctic Freezer III 360 can be had for 90€ too, 240mm for 64, which I wonder how do they compare.
@@masterkamen371 True, that's a great one too. I feel like those two options are good for any CPU depending on the wattage. Anything costlier is overkill (or only has better looks) and anything cheaper, you might as well keep the included cooler.
@ I haven't been using an nhd15 for a while (I was used the first gen one). Typically pulling air is less efficient I think but not by much. Usually the nhd15 is very quiet an very performant no matter what you do.
I have a D15S (which comes with one fan only by default) and mounted two others myself. Another 14cm fan from a U14S (higher rpm ceiling) and an F12 at the back. The net result is that the fans run at a lower rpm average overall because there are 3 of them now, so the peak noise is less. The noise floor is probably a decibel or two higher but it was already below the audible noise background in my pc room (33 dB or so) - so I don't notice it. This doesn't really help people looking to move the fan to the back for memory compatibility - but it's the closest comparison I have, apologies.
Got a deepcool iv before they were banned in the US and I really love the thing. You're getting about as close to a Noctua as you can get but it looks so much better for aesthetics.
Good for US people that it got banned, they can get that ''you can't get it'' feel when US youtubers show a laptop for good price and specs but, people outside US cannot get it... Nice that it's not available in US
I am extremely surprised Endorfy made into derbauer video. Till now I have known them as absolute underdog of coolers from Polish producent only on polish market. Good to know Endorfy is recognized and appreciated outside of Poland!
sadly their prices are often just bad and loosing much vs Arctic or Thermalright in terms of value Quality control also was quite bad and unit by unit they had huge variance on how well heatpipes contact coldplate or how pipes contact IHS if it's direct contact design. Maybe they changed OEM for 5 series, but seeing it's stil extremely sharp - i don't think so
They're expensive. However, if we ignore the cooling performance, they're quite and quality build is great. Also you pay a bit for their after sale, you can ask them for new mountings for new CPUs generations if you still have the receipt of the cooler.
Noctua has lost the plot. Their price and brownness used to be tolerable because they were that good. But the competition is way too strong now for them right now
@@N3v3r_S3ttl3when is fan noise even a factor? I have all Arctic fans in my rig and all I can hear is the wind noise from them, but even that is irrelevant when the HDD is five times louder.
@@masterkamen371 Fan noise is a factor for a lot of people. I keep my build around ~25dba, I dont want it to hear a sound from it when it's idle That said, noctua *barely* has a noise advantage at this point. They barely have ANY advantages.
@@hellsoul0 They did. I just upgraded to the 9800x3D, sent a copy of my receipt, and within a few days the brackets arrived. They wont fit my my motherboard. The cooler would hit the GPU. The mounting kit that came in the box works perfectly fine.
Waiting for royal preytor and the other "high end" model suposed to top previous king - Phantom Spirit. Have not seen any review, hope hardware canucks makes a new round up of top dogs + thermalright OP coolers.
This video reminded me to have a look at local pricing for the pa120se, and I ended up ordering one tonight to replace the little Noctua cooler in my nas. NH-U9B iirc.
It's aluminium strips mounted on hollow copper pipes. With some plastic fans on the sides. There is nothing on these that carries considerable cost, other than perhaps the design. When you ship millions of these coolers, it turns into pennies.
Question : You are testing open air, not a closed case, and your motherboards are laying flat ~ which they generally don't in a finished case. I think the effects of this on the Noctua with heat-pipes would be fairly small but the vapour-chamber rig, I'm not so sure about. Not saying it doesn't work or it's no good ~ I'm saying you mileage may vary. Also might say, an open air test bench like what you have there, in a climate controlled room ~ that is a really best-case test for an air cooler. It doesn't get any more positive for an air cooler than that. And before anyone asks, I am not a liquid cooling fan. I do intend to buy an NH-D15 G2 to go in my 9950X rig which Santa is due to give me in late December ~ That's the middle of heat-wave summer here in Australia. Hence my interest in your test.
for the Noctua, I would just 3D print a top plate, and I love the brown and beige, its just iconic, you know you got a quality item when you see those colours.
I have a Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 and no complaints at all. Comparable to it's peers at an amazing price when I bought it. Not the best or worst at cooling for a dual tower dual 120mm fan cooler but it was the best price A tad long in the tooth now and it will be a couple years more before I build a new rig so I expect there is or will be better for the same price.
I still have my 12 year old Noctua D14 with new fans since the old ones didn't support pwm. Noctua still had fair pricing back then. D15 costs 3 times as much today.
The contact surface on D14 is a little small, but it's still decently performing cooler... if you just don't have to do anything around it. That design of fins acting like a saw... whoever came up with that should be fired.
@@gagarin777 Heh I don't remember that. Will check next time I change paste. My only downside as far as I can remember was that I could only use low profile ram.
Deepcool definitely looks the best, and you can go for whatever ram you'd like. But i would always go for a version without the screen, dont want unnecessary software bloat on my system.
The Austrian Germans have a great product, but honestly, Thermalright (and Deepcool) offers stiff competition and often times perform better, and Thermalright do so to less than half the cost of a Noctua cooler. Of course, there's added value to the Noctua such as free brackets etc. *Added* Noctua risk pricing themselves out of the market at this point.
And then the German Germans make a five pack of fans that costs as much as a single Noctua, while giving about 80% of the performance. All the same with CPU coolers, work with AMD and Intel right out of the box and offer crazy good performance for no money at all.
@@masterkamen371exactly lol, Arctic is on top of the cooling game right now in my opinion. LFIII 360 is stupid good and cheap, and hell the argb version looks pretty good too
They're still all made in China, I might at least understand part of the cost if they were made in Germany or Austria but nope, literally no way those prices make sense.
@@v0ldy54 R&D, stricter QC and all of the stuffs like mounting kits and included accessories. This is a genuine premium brand. Even if manufacturing in PRC is cheaper, it's not that much when companies don't cut on product quality.
I don't ujnderstand the desire to have the heatpipes covered. Aestehtics are highly subjective but from a functional point of view, why would you cover it up? Wasted materials, isolation for heat radiation (minor detail but better leave it naked). I am with you on the spring-mechanism being a bit of a turnoff. I have the oridinal AM4 D15.
Yeah, I was like... covers insulate and heat radiates, right? The brown is a corporate branding thing - you're basically paying $10 extra to lose the branding, but Noctua should have realised they needed to make the 'chromax black' option available at launch - and put that one at $150.
Personally, I like the brown colour from Noctua. It's unique and is a "fresh" colour from the typical black or white that's used for almost every other part in a PC. My D15 has been sitting in my PC for coming to 3 years and I still find it very good-looking, with or without my RGB lights on.
I compare all air coolers to Thermalrights stuff tbh. The Assassin line is so good, and such good value, I really don't even think about other brands tbh.
I would like to add that the new G2 Noctua fans are great, and I just bought a complete G2 set for my computer and threadripper cpu cooler. Sometimes I wonder if the computer is on and the screen turns on when I move the mouse. :)
The G2 fans use a tuned pair (Fan A, Fan B) that helps to eliminate resonances and tunes out some higher pitched whining when being slammed. Fans like this on some of the other twi tower coolers would probably narrow the gap... and still be a decent value proposition.
@@labmasterx5599 He is BS-ing. Do not use air cooling on high wattage cpu's no matter the brand if you value to have silent PC. I have 5950X with NH-D15S (with dual fans) in Fractal Meshify 2 XL and it's quite loud. I can hear it even when cpu is idle. Der8auer in the video measured 45dB for the cpu running at 75C (that is already loud). You can adjust the fan speed curvature, but then temperature will creep up and at some point fan will have to increase the speed anyway. If you want to have quiet system build custom LC or buy really big AIO. Or put the computer in another room. If you have computer displayed on the top of your desk it will be perceived louder then if you had it under the desk.
@@gagarin777 If we assume that Noctua's NSPR scales linearly, then your NH-D15S has a TDP of about 197W compared to your CPU's TDP of 105W. By comparison, my BeQuiet! Dark Rock Pro 4's TPD is 250W compared to my 3700X's TDP of 65W; my CPU's fans are rarely audible, thanks to this ratio, with the stock fans (I have not added the optional third fan.). Did you compare the TDP of your heatsink options prior to buying your Noctua? To be clear, I do not mean to compare brands or designs.
@@Robstafarian I don't know how you came up with those numbers, but probably you made some mistake. My D15S should have the same NSPR as regular D15 since I'm using two fans on it. "S" has exactly the same heatsink as "non-S", just slanted on the heatpipes. Noctua is using NSPR rating for entire cooler (radiator + fans) so normal "S" has lower NSPR listed as compared to "non-S" just because they cheapened out on it by selling it with 1 fan (for the same price), forcing ppl to buy additional fan separately. NSPR is just some "calculated" number that they use to rate performance. Every cooler manufacturer has it's own method of rating their coolers, like in case of BeQuiet they use "Wattage", but it's not directly comparable to other companies that also use "Wattage" for example Thermalright. I think even Noctua themselves explains it on their website. In my case when I bought D15S in 2018 it was the best performing air cooler according to many reviews (and the main competitor - 320W design Thermalright Silver Arrow IB-E Extreme was not available in stores). And you see I didn't bought it for any specific cpu, I bought it for performance. I'm an overclocker and I needed good cooler to overclock on air and bin the cpu's. So that was it's initial purpose. Later when I bought 5950X I didn't had a cooler capable of being installed on AM4 so I had no other choice than to put Noctua on it. 5950X on all default settings is using 130W of electricity when loaded with Prime95, how much of that is transformed into heat only god knows. But on their website Noctua has cpu compatibility list which to this day claims that even regular D15S should be "best turbo/overclocking headroom" for 5950X, which is a complete joke. They even have the same claim for i9-14900KF, which is just delusional. I won't comment on the cpu TDP to cooler performance ratio you come up with. It may have very well worked out for you. But you paired mid-range cpu (with power consumption more or less the same as Q9650 from 2008) with high-end cooler so no wonder it's quiet. My point here is that air coolers have limits and manufacturers do not like to advertise that. Maybe something like 9800X3D @stock can still be managed properly with gen 2 Noctua, or new DeepCool. But I would seriously recommend LC for anything higher than that if you don't want to sit next to a hairdryer.
I miss DeepCool. I still have a couple of their less expensive coolers from a while back before they were banned. I hope they get back to the US market at some point.
Waiting to get the Cooler Master new v8 GT , and I don't even have a platform to mount it to, just want it. Please test it when it comes out next year!
I'm using my Noctua NH-D15 since 2017, and now I can get a free mounting bracket to put it on the 9800X3D when it becomes available again... I'll stick with Noctua.
I like that Deepcool Unit and the appearance. I also like the Noctua, primarily because of its performance. As far as the appearance, maybe it wouldn't be a bad idea to have some more "neutral" colors like black. However, Noctua is known for the color, everyone immediately recognizes Noctua that way. However, they also have their name.
Remember guys,if you are not a fan of the Noctua 'brown' color,I'm sure they are going to release a Chromax Black version as they always do. If you can't wait,they already have and sell Chromax Black covers and different color insets which will fit this G2 NH-D15.🤙
22:02 good thing is that the "black" (more like dark grey) is comming soon 😄 The Chromax fans are coming in Q1 and the Chromax NH-D12 G2 is coming in Q2 👍
@@Flapdr01Yeah, sadly. The noctua fans are held in with wire clips that slot into the heat fins on the cooler and hook onto them. The deepcool is completely flat, so it wouldn't hook on
I have their AK500... Have had that since I got the 5800X3D and am currently Running it on my 7800X3D.... I get more Noise outta the Montech Case Fans and the 4080 Super than I do the CPU Fan... Kinda wish they had an Add On Cover Plate for the Cooler with a Screen, but I was looking at Simple and keeping the RGB to a Minimum, who knew they'd be going LED Screens shortly afterward...
I like the Deepcool one the best, it looks like a modern aircooler for those of us that want the modern look but still prefer the stability of aircooling!!
dBa is supposed to counter balance the ears behaviors but I agree that many testers should be way more careful about noise tests as annoyance is very relative to the sound produced and its intermittent pattern.
I build a new pc like every 4-5 years, and don't really touch it after building, other than cleaning dust out. In that case, a slightly annoying fan mounting is no big deal. I also don't use windows, so the looks don't matter at all. I have a Noctua in my current PC, but if I were to build a new one now, I would likely go for Thermalright. My old Q6600 had a thermalright, and that worked very well also.
I would say I love the noctua ones for one reason and that's because for me they have the leash amount of coil whine which can't really be observed through graphs for noise tests. I've listened to many tests for just case fans and the noctua fans also for me have no coil whine or the most bearable one at high rpms if it ever gets there.
my whole outer setup "feels 2005". You know, metal case, no window, no RGB. But quite fast inside. And no water cooling because i really can't be bothered :) And that is a good point. Window or not, you just put it in and let it run. You mount it once, be that nicer or less nice, and then don't need to touch it for years. Or at least to separate the fans from the block. So it doesn't really matter if the one mounting in years takes a 2 minutes longer. Even though i don't care about it, Noctua being stubborn about the color feels indeed unnecessary.
ambient temperature rise doesn't cause a linear rise in cpu temps, just deducting the difference is better than nothing but it's not perfect. one degree ambient difference can cause a 1.5 degree change in cpu temp
I'm curious, since, from what I heard, the majority of Noctua's jump in performance with their G2 was based around their newer fan design; tighter tolerances in fan blades to frame, better design, etc -- I wonder how the Deep Cool Vapor Chamber cooler would fare with the Noctua fans attached. I know Noctua made some advances with their cooler itself in the form of the additional heat pipe and a denser fin array, but I think a good portion of their progress was fan based. If the DeepCool VC was able to dissipate a larger heat load, but wasn't doing it efficiently and required a louder fan to keep up, I bet with Noctua's G2 fans, it could maybe inch out the NHD15 G2. Would be cool to see. Cool video!
I personally think that the chromax black Noctua coolers with their heat pipes poking out look way better than any of those plastic covers or screens, hope they will never cover them up!
I like the brown and the industrial looks of the noctua, the price is harder to stomach. They do need to improve the fan clips and use something a bit more premium and easy to use, especially considering the price.
Did I miss the comment regarding standard-fan compatibility of the new Deepcool? Air coolers work pretty much forever. The only issue you can have is a fan getting loud or breaking. If I need to rely on the availability of a proprietary fan especially of a company that might be affected by sanktions.... this is a no-go. I do like the new fan mounting systems. But if you aren't a reviewer, this is job you do once. If the price for that is an impossible fan replacement, then my priorities are different....
I don't mind the brown, if it performs at the top it's getting installed in my case. But that's just as subjective as your want for something more neutral. Keep in mind though, you buy peace of mind with noctua as well, their fans don't break down easy. You want to install a cooler and not have to look back for the next couple of years, brown coffee is a good option.
I'd be interested in the 3D-V Cache version. I have the 7950X-3D and knowing there's lower wattage it would be nice to see if a Liquid Cooled AIO is necessary.
Not to add work, but would have loved to see the Noctua NH-D15 V.1 added to the list for comparison. Then swap the V.1 and V2 fans to see how much of a temp bonus you get with the V.2 cooler only. Beyond that, aesthetic wise, keep in mind that Noctua will ... eventually ... release a black version of this cooler and fans, the V.1 did and looks cool in my rig. As well even though its an additional purchase, Noctua does sell tower covers that clip on both NH=D15 towers and looks good. It would be nice to see them included, but thats the Noctua tax.
I'm a little confused... If 'Polar Therm' is Thermal Grizzly's new budget paste but out performs their premium paste... what is the point in the premium paste or any of the skue's in between.
I still prefer enclosed cases with mesh venting so the visual design on the interior doesn't bother me at all. As long as it doesn't have RGB or if I can at least disable or pull out the RGB plugs then I' happy as long as the performance is there.
Another great video but I wonder why you didn't test the Thermalright Phantom Spirit SE. It's their best performing cooler and is available in Germany. I might consider the Silentware Titan if it were available here in the US.
Only problem with deep cool is it doesn't sit as flat as thermalright or noctua. The cooler looks absolutely amazing but they don't perform as well as other options for the price. I'd rather go AiO at that price point.
Yes but air coolers are 100% trouble free and with easy maintenance. Not all users like liquids around or in their machines, or change liquids to retain performance.
The Noctua and Deepcool are essentially 4 times the price of the Thermalright, for basically 4c and 3c better performance. That's kind of insane. Still seems like people forget Thermalright has been making high performance tower coolers longer than Noctua. They seem to be taking much smaller margins on their coolers, and I love what that does for the budget market.
I bought a 2 fan tower cooler from Enodrfy like 9 years ago (they were called SPC back then). I used this cooler on 4 cpus so far, starting with i7-4770k then ryzen 3600, after that ryzen 5600x and now ryzen 5800x3d, still works without issue xD. They even provided new bracket for am4 for free when I needed it. I also have a great mouse from them, lix plus wireless.
@@sys-administrator Correct, hence they don’t go around sanctioning Russia willy nilly. Not to make this too political, but the arrogance that you can sanction the world over every difference is insanely egotistic and destructive.
At least in North America nothing beats the price to performance of the Thermalright Phantom Spirit the regular version with the heatpipes covered and all metal mount hardware, always around $35 on Amazon. I don't see where any of these more expensive air coolers really performs better enough to justify their price and why you should buy them over a cheap AIO that'll keep high wattage CPUs out of the thermal throttle zone.
I would love it if fan clips could be easier too install in tight quarters. It's a real finger killer with the NH-D15s. Would love if Noctua could upgrade to sliding coolers. The sooner we can get away from fan clips the better. The prices charged for Noctua coolers, you would think it would be a thing already.
Why is your Peaktherm showing such a wild variance in the room temp?? Is it not isolated from the wind from your bench and other sources? It's a shame that you didn't use the Phantom Spirit Evo instead.
This is a really good comparison, I would have liked to have had the NH-D15 in both positions rather than the possibly unfair offset only, would you mind making the same video for AIO coolers so we can compare them directly?
It's been done using the Artic Freezer 3 360 and naturally it beats all air coolers including the D15 G2. That's just the nature of the beast. Price difference is less of an argument if considering the high end for Air. You'd just go water ... unless you want a long service life solution, I guess... but these $30-50 coolers are pretty damn good value propositions for AMD CPU cooling.
I love the brown colour, especially because they rock. Same as the heat pipe ends, a cover looks neat but if this blasts right past it then why bother?
🏆MORE of this kind of reviews please! 🏆Great ammo for choosing the best value air cooler! An AK620 would have been an interesting participant as well though.
Is it possible to attach aftermarket fans to the DeepCool cooler though in case it dies in the future because the fan seems to have proprietary parts to attach?
It would have been nice to have seen Scythe in this line up. Just for the nostalgia. They do have a new Mugen, the Mugen 6. But they're still using 120mm fans, so they're simply not competing in the top tier of coolers anymore.
@@Hybris51129 no way it's ever going to be a better value than a 40$ cooler, plenty of fans out there that are 95% as good as Noctua for a fraction of the price.
@@Kumoiwa but you don't get the same noiseless and performant product. And prices vary over time, inflation by itself makes newer things more expensive, and you have to pay four times the delivery. So if you know you will enjoy Noctua's advantages, it's worth investing if you can afford to.
The Peerless Assassin is the old model, the Phantom Spirit with 7 heat pipes has been out for 2+ years now and is the same price.
This comment saved me. I speckled the old one for my kids pc when I intended the phantom spirit. I was able to cancel and reorder in time thanks to your comment
Thermalright lineup is confusing af, they should make a big cleanup
@@v0ldy54 they really should. Especially since the phantom spirit only makes them look better as a company since it’s such a nice looking cooler for the money. The Peerless Assassin just won’t die due to all the high praise on TH-cam over the years.
They launched three more models in the time you read this comment.
no one talking about Phantom Spirit EVO? It's this year model and has been no stock in my country in long time
Thermalright is a major player that these expensive coolers cannot compete with.
That's why those reviews don't use Phantom Spirit 120 SE, which is the best cooler they have at the moment
@@pandora1037have no clue
You forgot the thermal right phantom spirit 120 evo ^^
@@labmasterx5599 If you look at the reviews, the SE is better. It has basically the same temperatures and lower noise.
yep. very satisfied with how my PA120 Mini cools my 5700X
"this is the only cpu i had which wasn't delidded" is such a uniquely derbauer issue to have
Seems like you can already buy the Deepcool vapor chamber in Spain for 115€ in a couple stores "on sale". Meanwhile NH-D15 G2 is 150€ everywhere. Seems like a no brainer (though I'd still go for thermalright myself since I don't need higher performance).
Arctic Freezer III 360 can be had for 90€ too, 240mm for 64, which I wonder how do they compare.
I would compare it to sub 20€ Freezer 36. If under 10C difference, these expensive coolers should just vanish out of the market.
any competent 360mm AIO destroys nhd15 g2 and assuming you mount them as exhaust they reduce gpu temps as well, unlike any air cooler
@@h1tzzYT I'm pretty sure the Phantom Spirit 120 would beat most of the fancy 360 AIOs.
@@Szabinger no air cooler on the market is capable doing that...
@@h1tzzYT Hmm maybe I'll have to test it myself.
Cool, I'll still take a thermalright (phantom spirit or peerless assassin) for less than a third of the price of the Noctua and Deepcool ones.
Thermalright master race 🤘😎🤘
I replaced my Arctic LF III 240 with a Phantom Spirit 120 SE, and I'm so happy with it. This cooler is completely silent while destroying any AIO.
Or a $20 Arctic Freezer 36. Keeps my Ryzen 5 5600X at 15 to 20°C above room temperature while it's pulling 70W.
@@masterkamen371 True, that's a great one too. I feel like those two options are good for any CPU depending on the wattage. Anything costlier is overkill (or only has better looks) and anything cheaper, you might as well keep the included cooler.
@@Szabinger What kind of CPU are you using? Low thermal package, I'd expect, if you were using a LF3 240? 🤔
With the NHD15 I think you can mount the fan on the back as well, improving memory compatability
you can. it's incredibly intuitive. I'm surprised he missed that.
Did you test the temps and noise level before and after mounting the front fan at the back of the cooler? Any difference?
@ I haven't been using an nhd15 for a while (I was used the first gen one). Typically pulling air is less efficient I think but not by much. Usually the nhd15 is very quiet an very performant no matter what you do.
Same with the Thermalrite Assassin I paid $40 for on Amazon.
I have a D15S (which comes with one fan only by default) and mounted two others myself. Another 14cm fan from a U14S (higher rpm ceiling) and an F12 at the back.
The net result is that the fans run at a lower rpm average overall because there are 3 of them now, so the peak noise is less. The noise floor is probably a decibel or two higher but it was already below the audible noise background in my pc room (33 dB or so) - so I don't notice it.
This doesn't really help people looking to move the fan to the back for memory compatibility - but it's the closest comparison I have, apologies.
Got a deepcool iv before they were banned in the US and I really love the thing. You're getting about as close to a Noctua as you can get but it looks so much better for aesthetics.
Good for US people that it got banned, they can get that ''you can't get it'' feel when US youtubers show a laptop for good price and specs but, people outside US cannot get it... Nice that it's not available in US
@@1sonyzz yes, russkie's war against Ukraine supporting company is banned in the us. its great
@@1sonyzz the bad thing is EU citizens still buying products from company that supports ruskies war against, basically, EU
@@rawdez_Oh no! Anyways...
@@rawdez_ Buy stuff linked to China, you support that war.
Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 SE, same price as Silentware Titan but 7 heatpipes.
I am extremely surprised Endorfy made into derbauer video. Till now I have known them as absolute underdog of coolers from Polish producent only on polish market. Good to know Endorfy is recognized and appreciated outside of Poland!
It's a bober of coolers!
sadly their prices are often just bad and loosing much vs Arctic or Thermalright in terms of value
Quality control also was quite bad and unit by unit they had huge variance on how well heatpipes contact coldplate or how pipes contact IHS if it's direct contact design. Maybe they changed OEM for 5 series, but seeing it's stil extremely sharp - i don't think so
Noctua is so expensive it is almost getting into ProSiphon Elite territory
They're expensive. However, if we ignore the cooling performance, they're quite and quality build is great. Also you pay a bit for their after sale, you can ask them for new mountings for new CPUs generations if you still have the receipt of the cooler.
Noctua has lost the plot. Their price and brownness used to be tolerable because they were that good. But the competition is way too strong now for them right now
@@hameedthat's kinda like saying why buy an audi when the jetta exists
@@N3v3r_S3ttl3when is fan noise even a factor? I have all Arctic fans in my rig and all I can hear is the wind noise from them, but even that is irrelevant when the HDD is five times louder.
@@masterkamen371 Fan noise is a factor for a lot of people. I keep my build around ~25dba, I dont want it to hear a sound from it when it's idle
That said, noctua *barely* has a noise advantage at this point. They barely have ANY advantages.
I still have my 5 year old Noctua D15 for my 9800x3D. Works like a charm.
did noctua send a free am5 bracket ?
@@hellsoul0They always do if you have a receipt
Yup, my 9800X3D and offset bracket are coming this Saturday for my trusty old NH-D15
@@hellsoul0 They did. I just upgraded to the 9800x3D, sent a copy of my receipt, and within a few days the brackets arrived. They wont fit my my motherboard. The cooler would hit the GPU. The mounting kit that came in the box works perfectly fine.
Bro its just a piece of metal why would it malfunction.
Noctua is also using those metal springs. I hate custom fan mounts, it might be difficult to mount different fans.
It's not a problem that a deliberate duct tape can't solve
@@fajaradi1223 Ahh yes, every problem can be fixed with duct tape
@@Saji_0 Cable ties work pretty good for fans
The timing of this couldn't be any better for me.
How the peerless assassin still 40 euro baffles me lol. You'd imagine they would increase the price by about 50% at least by now but nope.exe
For the same reason you're talking about it.
By being well below the reasonable price, they stand out significantly more and sell significantly more.
Waiting for royal preytor and the other "high end" model suposed to top previous king - Phantom Spirit. Have not seen any review, hope hardware canucks makes a new round up of top dogs + thermalright OP coolers.
Gives a perspective on how overpriced other brands are...
This video reminded me to have a look at local pricing for the pa120se, and I ended up ordering one tonight to replace the little Noctua cooler in my nas. NH-U9B iirc.
It's aluminium strips mounted on hollow copper pipes. With some plastic fans on the sides. There is nothing on these that carries considerable cost, other than perhaps the design. When you ship millions of these coolers, it turns into pennies.
Is the centre fan still proprietary on the Deepcool? That was a dealbreaker with the original Assassin 4.
More air coolers should move to vapor chamber imo.
They will
I wouldn't take one for free. It's blood money I don't care how good their coolers are or how inexpensive they are. Shame on them
@@taraskulykUSA Do you hate vapor chambers or something?
@@ThisIsMeArnold He is referring to Deepcool selling their products to Russia, which then resulted in Deepcool getting a sales ban in US.
Question : You are testing open air, not a closed case, and your motherboards are laying flat ~ which they generally don't in a finished case. I think the effects of this on the Noctua with heat-pipes would be fairly small but the vapour-chamber rig, I'm not so sure about. Not saying it doesn't work or it's no good ~ I'm saying you mileage may vary. Also might say, an open air test bench like what you have there, in a climate controlled room ~ that is a really best-case test for an air cooler. It doesn't get any more positive for an air cooler than that.
And before anyone asks, I am not a liquid cooling fan. I do intend to buy an NH-D15 G2 to go in my 9950X rig which Santa is due to give me in late December ~ That's the middle of heat-wave summer here in Australia. Hence my interest in your test.
for the Noctua, I would just 3D print a top plate, and I love the brown and beige, its just iconic, you know you got a quality item when you see those colours.
You should have tested the NH-D15 as well to see how much difference it has now
I have a Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 and no complaints at all. Comparable to it's peers at an amazing price when I bought it. Not the best or worst at cooling for a dual tower dual 120mm fan cooler but it was the best price A tad long in the tooth now and it will be a couple years more before I build a new rig so I expect there is or will be better for the same price.
I still have my 12 year old Noctua D14 with new fans since the old ones didn't support pwm. Noctua still had fair pricing back then. D15 costs 3 times as much today.
The contact surface on D14 is a little small, but it's still decently performing cooler... if you just don't have to do anything around it. That design of fins acting like a saw... whoever came up with that should be fired.
@@gagarin777 Heh I don't remember that. Will check next time I change paste. My only downside as far as I can remember was that I could only use low profile ram.
Deepcool definitely looks the best, and you can go for whatever ram you'd like. But i would always go for a version without the screen, dont want unnecessary software bloat on my system.
plus Deepcool support ruskies war against Ukraine and the West /
The Austrian Germans have a great product, but honestly, Thermalright (and Deepcool) offers stiff competition and often times perform better, and Thermalright do so to less than half the cost of a Noctua cooler. Of course, there's added value to the Noctua such as free brackets etc.
*Added*
Noctua risk pricing themselves out of the market at this point.
And then the German Germans make a five pack of fans that costs as much as a single Noctua, while giving about 80% of the performance. All the same with CPU coolers, work with AMD and Intel right out of the box and offer crazy good performance for no money at all.
@@masterkamen371exactly lol, Arctic is on top of the cooling game right now in my opinion. LFIII 360 is stupid good and cheap, and hell the argb version looks pretty good too
They're still all made in China, I might at least understand part of the cost if they were made in Germany or Austria but nope, literally no way those prices make sense.
@@v0ldy54 R&D, stricter QC and all of the stuffs like mounting kits and included accessories. This is a genuine premium brand.
Even if manufacturing in PRC is cheaper, it's not that much when companies don't cut on product quality.
I don't ujnderstand the desire to have the heatpipes covered. Aestehtics are highly subjective but from a functional point of view, why would you cover it up? Wasted materials, isolation for heat radiation (minor detail but better leave it naked). I am with you on the spring-mechanism being a bit of a turnoff. I have the oridinal AM4 D15.
Yeah, I was like... covers insulate and heat radiates, right? The brown is a corporate branding thing - you're basically paying $10 extra to lose the branding, but Noctua should have realised they needed to make the 'chromax black' option available at launch - and put that one at $150.
Personally, I like the brown colour from Noctua. It's unique and is a "fresh" colour from the typical black or white that's used for almost every other part in a PC. My D15 has been sitting in my PC for coming to 3 years and I still find it very good-looking, with or without my RGB lights on.
The brown does looks good. What makes it bad is that it's hard to fit the color scheme to a build.
Great rundown on the various cooler options.
I compare all air coolers to Thermalrights stuff tbh. The Assassin line is so good, and such good value, I really don't even think about other brands tbh.
Once again your review knocked it out the park (baseball term) Thanks for taking your time to create such great content over and over ❤ 🍻
That fan height adjustment mechanism is very nice.
I would like to add that the new G2 Noctua fans are great, and I just bought a complete G2 set for my computer and threadripper cpu cooler. Sometimes I wonder if the computer is on and the screen turns on when I move the mouse. :)
What cooling system do you have for the CPU/GPU?
Also can you hear them when on peak work usage?
The G2 fans use a tuned pair (Fan A, Fan B) that helps to eliminate resonances and tunes out some higher pitched whining when being slammed. Fans like this on some of the other twi tower coolers would probably narrow the gap... and still be a decent value proposition.
@@labmasterx5599 He is BS-ing. Do not use air cooling on high wattage cpu's no matter the brand if you value to have silent PC. I have 5950X with NH-D15S (with dual fans) in Fractal Meshify 2 XL and it's quite loud. I can hear it even when cpu is idle. Der8auer in the video measured 45dB for the cpu running at 75C (that is already loud). You can adjust the fan speed curvature, but then temperature will creep up and at some point fan will have to increase the speed anyway. If you want to have quiet system build custom LC or buy really big AIO. Or put the computer in another room. If you have computer displayed on the top of your desk it will be perceived louder then if you had it under the desk.
@@gagarin777 If we assume that Noctua's NSPR scales linearly, then your NH-D15S has a TDP of about 197W compared to your CPU's TDP of 105W. By comparison, my BeQuiet! Dark Rock Pro 4's TPD is 250W compared to my 3700X's TDP of 65W; my CPU's fans are rarely audible, thanks to this ratio, with the stock fans (I have not added the optional third fan.). Did you compare the TDP of your heatsink options prior to buying your Noctua? To be clear, I do not mean to compare brands or designs.
@@Robstafarian I don't know how you came up with those numbers, but probably you made some mistake. My D15S should have the same NSPR as regular D15 since I'm using two fans on it. "S" has exactly the same heatsink as "non-S", just slanted on the heatpipes. Noctua is using NSPR rating for entire cooler (radiator + fans) so normal "S" has lower NSPR listed as compared to "non-S" just because they cheapened out on it by selling it with 1 fan (for the same price), forcing ppl to buy additional fan separately. NSPR is just some "calculated" number that they use to rate performance. Every cooler manufacturer has it's own method of rating their coolers, like in case of BeQuiet they use "Wattage", but it's not directly comparable to other companies that also use "Wattage" for example Thermalright. I think even Noctua themselves explains it on their website.
In my case when I bought D15S in 2018 it was the best performing air cooler according to many reviews (and the main competitor - 320W design Thermalright Silver Arrow IB-E Extreme was not available in stores). And you see I didn't bought it for any specific cpu, I bought it for performance. I'm an overclocker and I needed good cooler to overclock on air and bin the cpu's. So that was it's initial purpose. Later when I bought 5950X I didn't had a cooler capable of being installed on AM4 so I had no other choice than to put Noctua on it.
5950X on all default settings is using 130W of electricity when loaded with Prime95, how much of that is transformed into heat only god knows. But on their website Noctua has cpu compatibility list which to this day claims that even regular D15S should be "best turbo/overclocking headroom" for 5950X, which is a complete joke. They even have the same claim for i9-14900KF, which is just delusional.
I won't comment on the cpu TDP to cooler performance ratio you come up with. It may have very well worked out for you. But you paired mid-range cpu (with power consumption more or less the same as Q9650 from 2008) with high-end cooler so no wonder it's quiet.
My point here is that air coolers have limits and manufacturers do not like to advertise that. Maybe something like 9800X3D @stock can still be managed properly with gen 2 Noctua, or new DeepCool. But I would seriously recommend LC for anything higher than that if you don't want to sit next to a hairdryer.
I miss DeepCool. I still have a couple of their less expensive coolers from a while back before they were banned. I hope they get back to the US market at some point.
should have tested phantom spirit with 7 heatpipes or ps evo with better fans
I'm glad that vapor chamber tech is back on the market, we just need one for SFF builds tho
Waiting to get the Cooler Master new v8 GT , and I don't even have a platform to mount it to, just want it.
Please test it when it comes out next year!
Upgrading to AM5 and going to reuse D14 using new bracket. Noctua rocks
America to DeepCool: This is ILLEGAL
Everyone else to DeepCool: Cool design, bro
I had their 360mm water cooler, it was great
I still have mine
Well, Deepcool got banned because some part of their company was doing naughty things.. not because of their coolers.
@@eubenhadd3300 like what? selling computer parts to a computer store in Russia?
@@mr.wonderful1455 yep, like supplying ruskie's military basically supporting war against Ukraine
@@eubenhadd3300 they sold cpu coolers to russia. thats why they got banned, to make an example of them.
I'm using my Noctua NH-D15 since 2017, and now I can get a free mounting bracket to put it on the 9800X3D when it becomes available again... I'll stick with Noctua.
I like that Deepcool Unit and the appearance.
I also like the Noctua, primarily because of its performance. As far as the appearance, maybe it wouldn't be a bad idea to have some more "neutral" colors like black.
However, Noctua is known for the color, everyone immediately recognizes Noctua that way. However, they also have their name.
Remember guys,if you are not a fan of the Noctua 'brown' color,I'm sure they are going to release a Chromax Black version as they always do.
If you can't wait,they already have and sell Chromax Black covers and different color insets which will fit this G2 NH-D15.🤙
22:02 good thing is that the "black" (more like dark grey) is comming soon 😄
The Chromax fans are coming in Q1 and the Chromax NH-D12 G2 is coming in Q2 👍
Excellent review, son. Thank you very much for the hard work. Well done!
I imagine the Assassin VC would be quite a bit cheaper without the screen gimmick. Hope they release a basic version too.
Did you try the noctua fans on the deepcool?
wouldn't fit unfortunately
@@der8auer-en that's too bad
Where there is will, there is a way @der8auer-en
@@Flapdr01Yeah, sadly. The noctua fans are held in with wire clips that slot into the heat fins on the cooler and hook onto them. The deepcool is completely flat, so it wouldn't hook on
I have their AK500... Have had that since I got the 5800X3D and am currently Running it on my 7800X3D.... I get more Noise outta the Montech Case Fans and the 4080 Super than I do the CPU Fan... Kinda wish they had an Add On Cover Plate for the Cooler with a Screen, but I was looking at Simple and keeping the RGB to a Minimum, who knew they'd be going LED Screens shortly afterward...
I like the Deepcool one the best, it looks like a modern aircooler for those of us that want the modern look but still prefer the stability of aircooling!!
I would love a quick sound profile test. Some coolers are technically quiet in dB but have annoying motor, bearing or harmonic noises.
dBa is supposed to counter balance the ears behaviors but I agree that many testers should be way more careful about noise tests as annoyance is very relative to the sound produced and its intermittent pattern.
I build a new pc like every 4-5 years, and don't really touch it after building, other than cleaning dust out. In that case, a slightly annoying fan mounting is no big deal. I also don't use windows, so the looks don't matter at all.
I have a Noctua in my current PC, but if I were to build a new one now, I would likely go for Thermalright. My old Q6600 had a thermalright, and that worked very well also.
I would say I love the noctua ones for one reason and that's because for me they have the leash amount of coil whine which can't really be observed through graphs for noise tests. I've listened to many tests for just case fans and the noctua fans also for me have no coil whine or the most bearable one at high rpms if it ever gets there.
I would use both depending on the type of build. I get outstanding better support and updated parts from Noctua.
my whole outer setup "feels 2005". You know, metal case, no window, no RGB. But quite fast inside. And no water cooling because i really can't be bothered :)
And that is a good point. Window or not, you just put it in and let it run. You mount it once, be that nicer or less nice, and then don't need to touch it for years. Or at least to separate the fans from the block. So it doesn't really matter if the one mounting in years takes a 2 minutes longer.
Even though i don't care about it, Noctua being stubborn about the color feels indeed unnecessary.
ambient temperature rise doesn't cause a linear rise in cpu temps, just deducting the difference is better than nothing but it's not perfect. one degree ambient difference can cause a 1.5 degree change in cpu temp
I would love to see the same comparison with an Intel 13/14-900K since they put out more heat!
I'm curious, since, from what I heard, the majority of Noctua's jump in performance with their G2 was based around their newer fan design; tighter tolerances in fan blades to frame, better design, etc -- I wonder how the Deep Cool Vapor Chamber cooler would fare with the Noctua fans attached. I know Noctua made some advances with their cooler itself in the form of the additional heat pipe and a denser fin array, but I think a good portion of their progress was fan based. If the DeepCool VC was able to dissipate a larger heat load, but wasn't doing it efficiently and required a louder fan to keep up, I bet with Noctua's G2 fans, it could maybe inch out the NHD15 G2. Would be cool to see. Cool video!
I am a big fan of Thermalright products.
I personally think that the chromax black Noctua coolers with their heat pipes poking out look way better than any of those plastic covers or screens, hope they will never cover them up!
I like the brown and the industrial looks of the noctua, the price is harder to stomach. They do need to improve the fan clips and use something a bit more premium and easy to use, especially considering the price.
Put brown fans into a case with dark tinted TG panel and run purple RGB colour, no more brown.
Did I miss the comment regarding standard-fan compatibility of the new Deepcool?
Air coolers work pretty much forever. The only issue you can have is a fan getting loud or breaking. If I need to rely on the availability of a proprietary fan especially of a company that might be affected by sanktions.... this is a no-go. I do like the new fan mounting systems. But if you aren't a reviewer, this is job you do once. If the price for that is an impossible fan replacement, then my priorities are different....
I like Noctua's color scheme.
I don't mind the brown, if it performs at the top it's getting installed in my case. But that's just as subjective as your want for something more neutral.
Keep in mind though, you buy peace of mind with noctua as well, their fans don't break down easy. You want to install a cooler and not have to look back for the next couple of years, brown coffee is a good option.
I'm interested in the Peerless Assasin 140 when that comes out in the UK.
Great video, would be good if you could include clockspeed in the results and noise normalized tests as well.
I'd be interested in the 3D-V Cache version. I have the 7950X-3D and knowing there's lower wattage it would be nice to see if a Liquid Cooled AIO is necessary.
Not to add work, but would have loved to see the Noctua NH-D15 V.1 added to the list for comparison.
Then swap the V.1 and V2 fans to see how much of a temp bonus you get with the V.2 cooler only.
Beyond that, aesthetic wise, keep in mind that Noctua will ... eventually ... release a black version of this cooler and fans, the V.1 did and looks cool in my rig. As well even though its an additional purchase, Noctua does sell tower covers that clip on both NH=D15 towers and looks good.
It would be nice to see them included, but thats the Noctua tax.
Noticed your HWInfo64 version is almost a year old :).
I'm a little confused... If 'Polar Therm' is Thermal Grizzly's new budget paste but out performs their premium paste... what is the point in the premium paste or any of the skue's in between.
The difference is the performance of the higher end paste at SUB ZERO
@@vvb890 or performance at tropical humidity. i'd imagine paste oozing out on its own where its 90% humidity all the time
I still prefer enclosed cases with mesh venting so the visual design on the interior doesn't bother me at all. As long as it doesn't have RGB or if I can at least disable or pull out the RGB plugs then I' happy as long as the performance is there.
I would've loved to see how well these air tower coolers compare to even a basic AIO
Actually, I like the look of Noctua coolers. I'm a proud owner of both G1 and G2.
would have liked to see the be quiet Dark Rock Elite in the line up. but very interesting video.
Another great video but I wonder why you didn't test the Thermalright Phantom Spirit SE. It's their best performing cooler and is available in Germany. I might consider the Silentware Titan if it were available here in the US.
Only problem with deep cool is it doesn't sit as flat as thermalright or noctua. The cooler looks absolutely amazing but they don't perform as well as other options for the price. I'd rather go AiO at that price point.
Especially when arctic liquid freezer 3 420 is under 100e here.
Yes but air coolers are 100% trouble free and with easy maintenance. Not all users like liquids around or in their machines, or change liquids to retain performance.
does corsair have a flat coldplate version for am5? i like the spaced/staggered pipes and large fans design choice
The Noctua and Deepcool are essentially 4 times the price of the Thermalright, for basically 4c and 3c better performance. That's kind of insane.
Still seems like people forget Thermalright has been making high performance tower coolers longer than Noctua.
They seem to be taking much smaller margins on their coolers, and I love what that does for the budget market.
would love to see how deepcool's LT520 does in the same test on AM5
I bought a 2 fan tower cooler from Enodrfy like 9 years ago (they were called SPC back then). I used this cooler on 4 cpus so far, starting with i7-4770k then ryzen 3600, after that ryzen 5600x and now ryzen 5800x3d, still works without issue xD. They even provided new bracket for am4 for free when I needed it. I also have a great mouse from them, lix plus wireless.
Sad is that Americans cant get that
Sad is that European countries don't ban anything related to Russia. When it affects them the most.
@@sys-administrator
Correct, hence they don’t go around sanctioning Russia willy nilly.
Not to make this too political, but the arrogance that you can sanction the world over every difference is insanely egotistic and destructive.
@@sys-administrator true
I personally think the sanctions are stupid.
Elaborate why you find them useless? @@alkestos
Noctua's color scheme worked perfectly well until the proliferation of glass side panels
How about Thermalright killer ?
At least in North America nothing beats the price to performance of the Thermalright Phantom Spirit the regular version with the heatpipes covered and all metal mount hardware, always around $35 on Amazon. I don't see where any of these more expensive air coolers really performs better enough to justify their price and why you should buy them over a cheap AIO that'll keep high wattage CPUs out of the thermal throttle zone.
There won’t be one because nobody can compete on price.
It'd have to be a Thermalright AIO killer too
That US ban still in place?
I would love it if fan clips could be easier too install in tight quarters. It's a real finger killer with the NH-D15s. Would love if Noctua could upgrade to sliding coolers. The sooner we can get away from fan clips the better. The prices charged for Noctua coolers, you would think it would be a thing already.
Awesome upload tyvm! Any chance of doing a review of the newer single tower air coolers?
Why is your Peaktherm showing such a wild variance in the room temp?? Is it not isolated from the wind from your bench and other sources?
It's a shame that you didn't use the Phantom Spirit Evo instead.
Looks cool.... But man, I really wish the screen had more data it could pull. Gpu temps etc
I would have been very nice to be able to hear de FAN Picth on the coolers...
This is a really good comparison, I would have liked to have had the NH-D15 in both positions rather than the possibly unfair offset only, would you mind making the same video for AIO coolers so we can compare them directly?
It's been done using the Artic Freezer 3 360 and naturally it beats all air coolers including the D15 G2. That's just the nature of the beast. Price difference is less of an argument if considering the high end for Air. You'd just go water ... unless you want a long service life solution, I guess... but these $30-50 coolers are pretty damn good value propositions for AMD CPU cooling.
I wonder how the deepcool would have done with the offset mounting as well.
Cooler Master anounced V8 3DVC (vapor chamber) year ago but did not released yet
I wish deepcool would release this assassin for STRx4 and SP3 sockets… would be a beast for the threadripper platform
I prefer the easily replaceable metal wire over plastic bits that break and generally are not available stand alone.
I love the brown colour, especially because they rock. Same as the heat pipe ends, a cover looks neat but if this blasts right past it then why bother?
🏆MORE of this kind of reviews please! 🏆Great ammo for choosing the best value air cooler! An AK620 would have been an interesting participant as well though.
The Noctua price premium is my deposit for the adapter bracket im going to need in 15 years.
MID week upload, OMG yes!
Can you test the Endorfy with second fan installed?
This shows my lack of understanding on vapor chambers: does the orientation of the vapor chamber matter?
As someone with a HTPC, I can't use any of them. Would love an 8 heat pipe with 125MM height version.
Is it possible to attach aftermarket fans to the DeepCool cooler though in case it dies in the future because the fan seems to have proprietary parts to attach?
It would have been nice to have seen Scythe in this line up. Just for the nostalgia. They do have a new Mugen, the Mugen 6. But they're still using 120mm fans, so they're simply not competing in the top tier of coolers anymore.
In my experience, Noctua are the fans for the current build, the next build and the build after that.
It's how you take that $150 price tag and start really cutting it down to where it is a better value and performer than the cheaper coolers.
@@Hybris51129150$ is crazy a phantom spirit is sub 40$ more or less everywhere the rest of the cash could be used for a component upgrade
@@Hybris51129 no way it's ever going to be a better value than a 40$ cooler, plenty of fans out there that are 95% as good as Noctua for a fraction of the price.
You can buy 4 Thermalrights for the price of 1 Noctua so Thermalright still on top in terms of value
@@Kumoiwa but you don't get the same noiseless and performant product. And prices vary over time, inflation by itself makes newer things more expensive, and you have to pay four times the delivery. So if you know you will enjoy Noctua's advantages, it's worth investing if you can afford to.
Right we’re all on AM5 now. :)