I can't wait for the set to drop so we can see a B/R madness aggro deck from you. Macabre waltz is gonna be such a blow out, get two creatures back from your bin then discard one for madness :)
Wow, I am really digging this deck. I would imagine SOI may add 1 or 2 creatures that are a bit more efficient or interact more with the GY but my gosh, this thing will be a beast. With madness looking so good, Lilliana may be the weak link if you need to keep using her +2 but you have built a really good deck here which should only get better with more SOI cards spoiled. I underestimated Relentless Dead but you have convinced me.
I have many of these pieces in a standard Golgari deck similar to this, but the new Avacyn alone is really persuading me to move it towards Orzhov. This deck is just the sort of thing I was thinking, so thanks for the concept. Also, I agree that Fleshbag Marauder is a good card in a deck like this. It's really done a lot for me.
11:58 Don't forget that you not only would have Avacyn and Kalitas after she flips, but you'd also have a 2/2 Zombie for each creature you just killed of theirs, plus if you had Nantuko Husk out you could sac your creatures that would die to the bolt anyway to keep the Husk alive
Ok, I just thought of this, but I was thinking about synergy with brain in a jar and day's undoing. But Day's Undoing has synergy with thing in the ice as well. You cast it to get the last counter off of thing in the ice, it flips, bounces all the creatures and puts them into your opponents hand to shuffle away. With brain in a jar, YOU CAN DO THIS AT INSTANT SPEED ON YOUR OPPONENTS TURN, without the downside of day's undoing as well. Dev, not sure if you take subscriber recommendations, but could you see if you can make this work, or find a shell for this synergy? And thank you for all the great content, I love your channel :D
+Stormingcrow Will it work. wont the turn end before you can remove the counter? or does the cast trigger on thing in the ice resolve before the days undoing resolve.
waka 3d end the turn happens at the end of the resolution of the spell. So you would cast days undoing, thing would trigger, trigger would resolve and bounce stuff, and then you would timewister and end the turn. So it shuffles in all creatures bounced, which is hopefully just your opponent's creatures :)
+waka 3d Days Undoing does not end the turn if it is on the opponents turn. Further the Thing in the Ice watches casting, which happens before Days Resolves.
Dev! I'd love to see you revisit this deck once more, if not all, of innistrad gets spoiled.. This sounds so fun, but I'm sure there will be plenty of new cards we don't even know about that would be great here.
interesting deck, i was firstly going for mono white agrro/control route, but after seeing this route i think i'll add black, and go white-black agrro in mb and add in sb cards to switch it to white-black control deck. will post a decklist after some testing. I would like to see agrro white/black/green version of this deck tech you posted. in a week or two after some more cards are officialy spoiled.
this deck is awesome, I played it against the grixis eldrazi deck that won 2nd place at an invitational on 4/09 and it wrecked face. thanks for this deck.
Love this deck, and I will be taking something very similar to the Star City in Columbus next weekend. What are your thoughts on these changes? Drops the (3) Carrier Thrall for (2) Gideon and (1) Secure the Wastes. Also, drop Shambling Vent for Westvale Abbey.
Obligatory Sidisi/Risen Executioner viability query/explanation. I'm glad someone else recognizance's how solid Carrier Thrall is. In my testing I've found that he's a far superior reanimation target for Liliana and, in my opinion, a better blocker than Hangarback Walker. This is because most opponents with any experience against a sacrifice deck in this format would sooner forgo combat than give that one colorless mana that you so clearly hunger for. Also, I'd wager that Liliana could see a price spike if we get more Aristocrat support/success. Finally, I'd like to see your take on a Simic Eldrazi deck that I believed you mentioned a short while back.
Can you make a Blue black control deck with with thing in the ice, aberrant researcher sphinxes tutelage silumgars xommand Ob nix and some other cards?
I love this deck. It's great and only going to get better. With crackling doom rotating out fleshbag marauder could serve as a substitute to deal with reality smasher.
Hey Dev, I was wondering if you could try making a B/R aggro standard deck w/ SOI included? I see a lot of potential in the deck, but i've never been good at deck building.
I want to play Chandra in a madness deck more than anything else in the world. Discard your hand, cast all your madness spells, then draw three? Sounds so rad. Have Goblin Dark Dwellers in there as well to cast a bunch of stuff that you pitch.
Hi awesome deck. Just wondering, if you attempt to cast relentless dead and it gets countered, can you still use it's ability to bring it back or other zombies?
New to Magic here! Can my Viscera Seer still attack after using its sacrifice ability on my Relentless Dead? Also, do creatures brought back from graveyard have summoning sickness? Thanks!
huge fan of the b/w deck. have all the cards until this point. will proxy up the 6 mythic for the next sett and play test it looks amazing. the only difference i would do is maybe put 1-2 Eldrazi Displacer in for synergy whit Avacyn or Fleshbag. can also remove an attacker or clear the path as they come into play taped.
you played faeries alot. do you think a u/b or esper faeries deck is viable in modern ? I have been trying to make a competitive faerie deck but what's your thoughts on it ?
What about shambling goblin with relentless dead? Sacrificing shambling first then relentless dead to make a removal/ pump loop with husk or kalitas for only 2 mana? Bonkers.
hangerback dropping it in as a 2 drop for a 2/2 it will leave 2 tokens behind just saying it is a much better choice and continueing on with the watching cos i love your vids im learning alot about the new gen of magic ha
I think Carrier Thrall, while a good card, is a huge mistake over Hangarback Walker. Hangarback is good for all the reasons you mentioned, however, Hangarback can also be played for 0 mana as a 0/0 that immediately dies and triggers Liliana. My main squeeze right now is Black/Blue Sacrifice and Hangarback is a damn all-star every time. I have had several games where my board gets wiped early so on turn three I play Lily, play the Hangarback for 0 to trigger her, flip her and bring back something from the graveyard with her -x, and I also have the zombie she makes. Goes from zero to one-hundred real fast.
I have found that Hangarback is a need it let you just swig in for so much dmg with Nantuko husk and zulaport cutthroat also works better with it. Okay as for the new avacyn I personally like to run 2 touch of moonglove with her because giving her death touch and the life loss on top of it is very good. Also with relentless dead you can use it as a instant speed kill for one mana if they block. I do think this deck is super sweet though and will see standard play.
As far as SOI and B/W goes.... I've been enjoying playing Eerie Interlude in my B/W Life Drain since they released it in the duel decks. Bouncing with Kalastria Healer is fun, even can save them from being sacrificed after Rallying them back.
This should be the next deck tech, Blue white investigate!! renown weaponsmith is still in standard, pretty much tap draw a card with the clue tokens. It's pretty nifty.
+Randy Harris You can play flesh bag then sac itself to force your opponent to sac a creature. Later you can then use another sac outlet in conjuction with relentless dead then pay 4 mana (1 to bring relentless dead back to your hand, and 3 for the X to bring flesh bag to the battlefield) which forces the opponent to sac a creature as well as you. Just sacrifice your flesh bag again, and you can do this mulitplie times if need be since relentless dead can be recast from your hand.
If you Sacrifice the Carrier thrall, you can sacrifice its token at the opponent's Untap or in response to avacyn flipping. and then nantuko survives as well.
Question, if you flash in Avacyn, and you sac let's say carrier thrall, doesn't her etb give indestructible to your creatures and she flips and can become a blocker and then deals 3 damage to all creatures, won't your creatures survive the damage?
Anyone have ideas on how to speed up this deck? I'm having a tough time against aggro decks. I substituted Sorin , Grim Nemesis for Lily and Drana's Emmisary for the Smothering Abomination. With the amount of removal in this format my creatures aren't lasting long.
+Vincent McIvor Ruinous Path will trigger Kalitas ability for zombies. Also the Cubs could flip Avacyn and trigger zulaport cutthroats ability too Anguished Unmaking is great removal, but really doesn't synergise well with the rest of the deck
I'm realllly trying to get my hands on some Kalitas. I want to make a mono black control deck with him and Ob Nix. Relentless Dead would be a good 2 drop in that deck.
+Yosef Estill I bit the bullet and pre-ordered 4 Relentless Dead. I want to build a mono-black Zombie deck with Relentless Dead, and Risen Executioners. I've always liked playing the Walking Dead.
thankfully i have a good part of the deck complete apart from avacyn, ghet, and relentless dead. That is going to take time. Does anyone think there will be good madness spells in black?
I think it's brilliant, making our creatures indestructible in an opponents turn, then sacrifice a creature so avacyn transforms and instantly kills every creature of our opponent bringing back zombies for kalitas and letting our creatures survive at the same freakin' time!?!? O.0
+Zackary Thomas Slykhouse what I mean is that I want one with no Khans or Fate. I made one myself but I wanted to see what he could do. We have four different mechanics to get counters in Standard right now(Bolster, Renown, Support and Converge, though Converge won't work since the deck mains green) So I'm hoping that he can come up with something good and hopefully SOI will benefit this deck at least a little bit.
I can't wait for the set to drop so we can see a B/R madness aggro deck from you. Macabre waltz is gonna be such a blow out, get two creatures back from your bin then discard one for madness :)
Can you please do an updated version of this deck now that the full set was spoiled?
+Matt M +Strictly Better MTG
This.
I'm excited you did this deck tech. It's almost card for card what I started brewing when I saw relentless dead and avacyn. Keep the videos going man!
You've been killing it recently! Great work, Dev!
Wow, I am really digging this deck. I would imagine SOI may add 1 or 2 creatures that are a bit more efficient or interact more with the GY but my gosh, this thing will be a beast. With madness looking so good, Lilliana may be the weak link if you need to keep using her +2 but you have built a really good deck here which should only get better with more SOI cards spoiled.
I underestimated Relentless Dead but you have convinced me.
Been working on this exact deck like this, and was happy for Shadows! Hope people dont think I just copied you lmao. Nice work :D
An updated version of this would be awesome!! Please :)
this deck looks so much fun to play!
I have many of these pieces in a standard Golgari deck similar to this, but the new Avacyn alone is really persuading me to move it towards Orzhov. This deck is just the sort of thing I was thinking, so thanks for the concept.
Also, I agree that Fleshbag Marauder is a good card in a deck like this. It's really done a lot for me.
11:58 Don't forget that you not only would have Avacyn and Kalitas after she flips, but you'd also have a 2/2 Zombie for each creature you just killed of theirs, plus if you had Nantuko Husk out you could sac your creatures that would die to the bolt anyway to keep the Husk alive
I felt like the whole time I was watching I was waiting to see you pause and take in a huge breath. Breathe brother breathe.
great deck! after you do the what will we do in aggro video could you do the same but for control?
Ok, I just thought of this, but I was thinking about synergy with brain in a jar and day's undoing. But Day's Undoing has synergy with thing in the ice as well. You cast it to get the last counter off of thing in the ice, it flips, bounces all the creatures and puts them into your opponents hand to shuffle away. With brain in a jar, YOU CAN DO THIS AT INSTANT SPEED ON YOUR OPPONENTS TURN, without the downside of day's undoing as well. Dev, not sure if you take subscriber recommendations, but could you see if you can make this work, or find a shell for this synergy? And thank you for all the great content, I love your channel :D
+Stormingcrow Will it work. wont the turn end before you can remove the counter?
or does the cast trigger on thing in the ice resolve before the days undoing resolve.
I am trying out the same thing with days undoing and brain in a jar. XD
waka 3d end the turn happens at the end of the resolution of the spell. So you would cast days undoing, thing would trigger, trigger would resolve and bounce stuff, and then you would timewister and end the turn. So it shuffles in all creatures bounced, which is hopefully just your opponent's creatures :)
+waka 3d Days Undoing does not end the turn if it is on the opponents turn. Further the Thing in the Ice watches casting, which happens before Days Resolves.
Dev! I'd love to see you revisit this deck once more, if not all, of innistrad gets spoiled.. This sounds so fun, but I'm sure there will be plenty of new cards we don't even know about that would be great here.
That Liliana is going to see such a price spike with madness coming back out.
Thanks for this decktech! Wondering, what would you adjust to make room for Pious Evangel // Wayward Disciple? Sac outlet and drain for 2+W.
interesting deck, i was firstly going for mono white agrro/control route, but after seeing this route i think i'll add black, and go white-black agrro in mb and add in sb cards to switch it to white-black control deck. will post a decklist after some testing.
I would like to see agrro white/black/green version of this deck tech you posted. in a week or two after some more cards are officialy spoiled.
this deck is awesome, I played it against the grixis eldrazi deck that won 2nd place at an invitational on 4/09 and it wrecked face. thanks for this deck.
Love this deck, and I will be taking something very similar to the Star City in Columbus next weekend.
What are your thoughts on these changes?
Drops the (3) Carrier Thrall for (2) Gideon and (1) Secure the Wastes. Also, drop Shambling Vent for Westvale Abbey.
can't wait for this set to drop
I'm new to this channel but it is becoming one of my favorites, if possible can you do a U/B deck for shadows
Obligatory Sidisi/Risen Executioner viability query/explanation.
I'm glad someone else recognizance's how solid Carrier Thrall is. In my testing I've found that he's a far superior reanimation target for Liliana and, in my opinion, a better blocker than Hangarback Walker. This is because most opponents with any experience against a sacrifice deck in this format would sooner forgo combat than give that one colorless mana that you so clearly hunger for.
Also, I'd wager that Liliana could see a price spike if we get more Aristocrat support/success.
Finally, I'd like to see your take on a Simic Eldrazi deck that I believed you mentioned a short while back.
Hey, any updated versions of this deck that
could be more competitive? Sinister concoction?
Can you make a Blue black control deck with with thing in the ice, aberrant researcher sphinxes tutelage silumgars xommand Ob nix and some other cards?
+MTG Noob i agree
I love this deck. It's great and only going to get better. With crackling doom rotating out fleshbag marauder could serve as a substitute to deal with reality smasher.
Please revise deck! Love playing it, just wanna see if you have any ways to improve it further! Thanks!
Hey Dev, I was wondering if you could try making a B/R aggro standard deck w/ SOI included? I see a lot of potential in the deck, but i've never been good at deck building.
Looks great, might build this as pure black as white increases the value a lot
YAAASSSS MY ORZOV-IAN BROTHER. YAS.
You should try a black Eldrazi hand control. I have been thinking about it for a while and it's seems like it could be fun!
I would so love to play this deck with the Pious Evangel // Wayward disciple.
once the release is out can you do a mono red burn
Could you please give me the name of the video intro? It's for a presentation.
Is it cheaper to purchase a card or else preorder it than it's original cost?
i think the new sorin just spoiled would fit this deck great, thoughts? and how many would you run?
I'd play Jace as my 2 drop... LOL but seriously did you consider a 1-of Sifter of Skulls?
I'd like to add blue for a Modern/Standard version of this deck. Would Stormchaser Mage be the worthwhile reason to make it a reality?
I want to play Chandra in a madness deck more than anything else in the world. Discard your hand, cast all your madness spells, then draw three? Sounds so rad. Have Goblin Dark Dwellers in there as well to cast a bunch of stuff that you pitch.
i like it. I'm using her in a sphinx tutelage deck for the same ability
i would really love more modern contents
+Dante Lo Hello, what do you think about the Hatebears deck?
How do you determine your rankings?
can you do an updating list please... new cards have been spoiled (the entire set)
Hi awesome deck. Just wondering, if you attempt to cast relentless dead and it gets countered, can you still use it's ability to bring it back or other zombies?
Iwatcher no, because since it was countered, it doesn't enter the battlefield, which isn't the same as dying, more of never existing
Spot for Pious Evangel/Wayward Disciple?
what about Unruly Mob (SOI) ? as budget brew?
Dev, no Vampiric rites?
New to Magic here!
Can my Viscera Seer still attack after using its sacrifice ability on my Relentless Dead? Also, do creatures brought back from graveyard have summoning sickness? Thanks!
huge fan of the b/w deck. have all the cards until this point. will proxy up the 6 mythic for the next sett and play test it looks
amazing. the only difference i would do is maybe put 1-2 Eldrazi Displacer in for synergy whit Avacyn or Fleshbag. can also remove an attacker or clear the path as they come into play taped.
you played faeries alot. do you think a u/b or esper faeries deck is viable in modern ? I have been trying to make a competitive faerie deck but what's your thoughts on it ?
What about shambling goblin with relentless dead? Sacrificing shambling first then relentless dead to make a removal/ pump loop with husk or kalitas for only 2 mana? Bonkers.
hangerback dropping it in as a 2 drop for a 2/2 it will leave 2 tokens behind just saying it is a much better choice and continueing on with the watching cos i love your vids im learning alot about the new gen of magic ha
I think Carrier Thrall, while a good card, is a huge mistake over Hangarback Walker. Hangarback is good for all the reasons you mentioned, however, Hangarback can also be played for 0 mana as a 0/0 that immediately dies and triggers Liliana. My main squeeze right now is Black/Blue Sacrifice and Hangarback is a damn all-star every time.
I have had several games where my board gets wiped early so on turn three I play Lily, play the Hangarback for 0 to trigger her, flip her and bring back something from the graveyard with her -x, and I also have the zombie she makes. Goes from zero to one-hundred real fast.
could you make a mono blue eldrazi deck
I have found that Hangarback is a need it let you just swig in for so much dmg with Nantuko husk and zulaport cutthroat also works better with it. Okay as for the new avacyn I personally like to run 2 touch of moonglove with her because giving her death touch and the life loss on top of it is very good. Also with relentless dead you can use it as a instant speed kill for one mana if they block. I do think this deck is super sweet though and will see standard play.
As far as SOI and B/W goes.... I've been enjoying playing Eerie Interlude in my B/W Life Drain since they released it in the duel decks. Bouncing with Kalastria Healer is fun, even can save them from being sacrificed after Rallying them back.
This should be the next deck tech, Blue white investigate!! renown weaponsmith is still in standard, pretty much tap draw a card with the clue tokens. It's pretty nifty.
renowned weaponsmith isn't standard legal come innistrad, fate reforged is rotating out
Sweet deck!
do you guys think that risen executioner will go up if zombies are a viable tribe on innistrad this time?
Would pious evangel perhaps make the deck
i dont total understand the flesh bag Marauder trick ?
+Randy Harris You can play flesh bag then sac itself to force your opponent to sac a creature. Later you can then use another sac outlet in conjuction with relentless dead then pay 4 mana (1 to bring relentless dead back to your hand, and 3 for the X to bring flesh bag to the battlefield) which forces the opponent to sac a creature as well as you. Just sacrifice your flesh bag again, and you can do this mulitplie times if need be since relentless dead can be recast from your hand.
If you Sacrifice the Carrier thrall, you can sacrifice its token at the opponent's Untap or in response to avacyn flipping. and then nantuko survives as well.
Holy shit the new avacyn is INSANE
Hey whats your MTGO user name?
little did he know a year later Amonkhet would make zombies aristocratic so good
I'm going to try two Thrull and one Hangarback for both of their positive sides :p
Hey Dev for rotation could u make a budget jund deck for standard please
Westvale abbey?
Can I get a link to the song used at the beginning?
+Ironocy It's not actually a song just Count Dracula saying "there are far worse things that await a man than death."
+Bobrob1597 Definitely sounds like a song with a sample from the original Dracula. Weird.
(Spoiled March 11) Pious Evangel - too expensive when zulaport cutthroat has the same effect? Evangel also has sacrifice outlet!?
if been thinking but isnt Avaricious Dragon good now?
So how about mad dragon deck?
Still no. You have to discard your whole hand at your end step. That's not worth it to trigger madness.
Question, if you flash in Avacyn, and you sac let's say carrier thrall, doesn't her etb give indestructible to your creatures and she flips and can become a blocker and then deals 3 damage to all creatures, won't your creatures survive the damage?
+Jose Cordero No because she flips at the beginning of the next upkeep
+Dave Lawrence oops, I just noticed that.
Would investigate cards improve this deck in any way? It lets you sacrifice AND draw a card
+haofabs Clue tokens are not creatures.
This is what I have been waiting for.....
Anyone have ideas on how to speed up this deck? I'm having a tough time against aggro decks. I substituted Sorin , Grim Nemesis for Lily and Drana's Emmisary for the Smothering Abomination. With the amount of removal in this format my creatures aren't lasting long.
why play Felidar Cub/Ruinous Path in the sideboard and not Anguished Unmaking?
+Vincent McIvor
Ruinous Path will trigger Kalitas ability for zombies.
Also the Cubs could flip Avacyn and trigger zulaport cutthroats ability too
Anguished Unmaking is great removal, but really doesn't synergise well with the rest of the deck
Cool deck! A bit pricey for my budget, but cool!
what about sorin man?
I'm realllly trying to get my hands on some Kalitas. I want to make a mono black control deck with him and Ob Nix. Relentless Dead would be a good 2 drop in that deck.
+Yosef Estill I bit the bullet and pre-ordered 4 Relentless Dead. I want to build a mono-black Zombie deck with Relentless Dead, and Risen Executioners. I've always liked playing the Walking Dead.
Michael Gregory
Lol. Yeah, I've thought about that too. Tons of recursion! I have exactly one Kalitas and one Executioner, though. :(
Updated Version Please
i would love to see grave crawler I this series just for this deck
WHY NOT A COUPLE Rogue's Passage?
thankfully i have a good part of the deck complete apart from avacyn, ghet, and relentless dead. That is going to take time. Does anyone think there will be good madness spells in black?
I'm hoping for some sort of black madness ritual effect. It'd be sweet
This format coming would have been a great place for champion of stray souls with the zombie tribal theme cropping up and not in theros
You misspelled "Synergy" in the video.
Wish I preordered my Avacyns now -_-
in Non-Standard: what do you guys think about "Ash of the Fallen" with "Relentless Dead"?
with that you can return EVERYTHING! XD
(even Avacyn xD)
I think it's brilliant, making our creatures indestructible in an opponents turn, then sacrifice a creature so avacyn transforms and instantly kills every creature of our opponent bringing back zombies for kalitas and letting our creatures survive at the same freakin' time!?!? O.0
Please attempt a +1 counter based strategy using cards like Avatar of the Resolute, Servant of the Scale, Earthen Arms, Outland Colossus, etc
+Broken Skies (Sky) Pretty sure he already has..... Check the archives. I am 99% sure there is a Hardened Scales deck out there
+Zackary Thomas Slykhouse what I mean is that I want one with no Khans or Fate. I made one myself but I wanted to see what he could do. We have four different mechanics to get counters in Standard right now(Bolster, Renown, Support and Converge, though Converge won't work since the deck mains green)
So I'm hoping that he can come up with something good and hopefully SOI will benefit this deck at least a little bit.
avacyn seems like she could be absurdly strong with eldrazi displacer and a small sac engine
Finally. A point of standard where the mana base won't be $100!
xD only 100 mana bases cost about 300 or more
You should also point out that if you have a Kalitas and an Avacyn, each creature that avacyn kills on the opponent's side gets you a zombie
+Maxaphorical each non token creature :) some of us still play token decks ;)
have you thought about Cliffhanger Vampire? You'll be gaining a fair bit of life, so he may have a spot as a 2 of perhaps.
Blue Eldrazi post Ghostfire Blade rotating.
more modern decks please!
There's only 4 white cards in the deck, I think I'd rather go mono black or splash green for blisterpod and catacomb sifter.
I like my B/G variant quite a bit more.
It is my child though, so it is hard to make me like another standard deck more.
Maybe Erebos Titan? Your deck can support BBB after all.
+Zackary Thomas Slykhouse also works great with Avacyn
naya midrange please
naya midrange!
if you flip Avacyn the turn you play her it is a one-sided board wipe
Grixis madness please.