Chemistry, Munitions and Pharmacology (5th Skills Analysis!)
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- How good are chemistry, munitions and pharmacology? It's time to find out!
The base skill of chemistry is a common 5th skill which can be found on survivors, at random, or taught from a skill book. When maxed out, you may choose between munitions or pharmacology as advanced skills.
These skills are focused on unlocking new crafting options and increasing the quantity of items when you make them.
But is that going to cut it for your community? That is the question.
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It's finally done. I have no idea which skill I will review next. I will try to be faster next time, though.
How about computing?
Could you do a review of the red talon skills including the 5th skill? Got enough to get a couple red talon guys but hate to replace current members if the red talon skills aren't that great
It's kind of random since I have to recruit new people. I might do computers if I get someone who doesn't have a 5th skill though.
If I do that one, it would be very far away due to the random skill chances with the RT soldiers.
@@GitGudFox That's cool just kinda hesitant to spend that much prestige without knowing lol
I have a survivor that has Munitions. He also has the trait “immortal” which I’ve combined with Endurance, so he’s unkillable. He also has the trait “eats likes a bird” so that just makes him a definite character I’m gonna keep transferring.
Yeah, that's an extremely good combination of perks.
I wonder how many survivors from their previous community they had to sacrifice for Satan to bestow those traits
@@DeclinedMercy bruh Sacrifices are made for power true words
@@DeclinedMercy 😂😂
Play lethal and tell me he's unkillable lol but yeah that's a bad ass combo. I had a similar one unfortunately he succumbed to the plague while controlled by the computer during a massive siege... 😭
ive been grinding state of decay again and your guides help so much
No problem, I'm glad they were helpful.
Fox is the man, honestly enjoy watching your content. Undead labs owes you some kind of shout out as you keep me that much more excited and interested in playing sod2
They seem to be value people on Twitch more than TH-cam.
I came to your videos and learned how to increase my food yields! Ever since my community produces triple the amount they eat. Your videos not only help but my community is self sufficient to the point where I rarely need to scavenge!
The less work you need to do the better is what I say.
Another great video! You go to so much trouble to make these videos and I thank you for that. I keep learning and learning since I found your channel.
This video was a pain! I thought it was going to be a short one, but I kept uncovering things.
Very insightful. I was in the boat of well they’re just hardly better upgrades in terms of the stuff you can make additionally but I didn’t realize the production buffs with the mods can tremendously expand your production to trade/utilize. Ammo production is a thing I want to get into in my later playthrus maybe if I have the nerve to play dread or nightmare.
It's especially powerful for the pyrolauncher's ammo. You get an extra 50%.
Wealth of info 🦊. Saves us alot of time with these comparisons. TY.
This one took a while to finish!
FOX!!! I love this video!!! This style of informative entertainment is the best. I think your "Nightmare" videos are great but I quickly lose interest while watching other people's gameplay (it's not you it's me said your last girlfriend) no matter who is playing. I play a very heavy melee style of gameplay and rely heavily on the benefits of the chemistry skills. Plus you get a cost reduction for bulk plague cures from Pharmacology...win win. Every member of my enclave is kitted out with strong painkillers and energy drinks. Please keep doing what you do it is much appreciated. P.S. I moved my main standard enclave to "Dredd" zone as fast as I could. One of my characters was headshotted (very very close to dying but didn't) by an enemy NPC with a crossbow. It's not nightmare but definitely more dangerous than the "Standard" and a lot more fun. A great blend of action and stealth game play.
That's why I still make them since I know the channel was built upon the guide videos.
They take a lot of effort to make, though, and believe me, the process of creating them is a real grind and not particularly fun since I'm constantly tracking points in the video down the frame of my spoken syllables for perfectly timed transitions and pop in effects. I typically take a full day off of working on videos after finishing a guide.
I'll be making more of them. They just take a lot more energy and focus to create than the Nightmare series.
@@GitGudFox I really appreciate the work you put in. Like I said before you are my favorite.
I'm sorry I'm not been present life is really busy now , but ever when I am resting I watch your videos!
My free time is yours lol
It's alright. You watch the videos whenever you want. I don't ask anything from anyone.
Your videos are so thorough it's really appreciated
I'm glad they were helpful! The later episodes took a lot of time to create.
Man you always show great detail with your videos. I learned a lot more than I thought I knew
Makes it a pain to edit, but I think the end result is good.
New to your channel and I LOVE IT!! These videos in particular! Can you do them for all the 5th skills. These videos are so detailed and informative and no one on TH-cam has done anything like them! I would truly appreciate it
That's actually why I make them. I don't really have any competition. They take a lot of tedious work to produce which is why I haven't been as on top of things lately. They're kind of like making a college research project except you have to also produce a video that presents in the information in a sensible manner.
Git Gud Fox I know it’s hard work but I have faith in u. I know you can do it 😘
In time. There is another video I am working on right now.
Git Gud Fox thanks I know it will be awesome
For my play style on standard mode I have the exact opposite opinion on the entire chemistry skill I exile anyone who has it. I just don't see a point in wasting a whole character for minor resource buffs. In nightmare though I'll have one person with it more useful there in my opinion. Great video though always enjoy hearing your explanation for everything.
Influence, that's the primary value of Chemistry in the late game. It lets you spend influence and regain it in moments. You can drop all 9999 influence on a Mysterious Trader then immediately sell 9999 influence worth of goods created through an optimized system of item generation.
Even if you ultimately didn't want those skills, they would still play a role until you have stockpiled up the massive quantity of items you're happy with before kicking them out.
Git Gud Fox i use other means to gain influence that work well for me and If I really wanted to farm I would use the base that gives you knowledge of chemistry like in your video. I understand how with how you play it's great but for me I would rather have someone with like recycling or fishing or lichenology. And in nightmare I would have one character with chemistry. It just feels completely unnecessary in standard for me.
@@elm0damian166 Interesting, those are not the skills I would choose, but I suppose it doesn't matter in Standard Zone either. You could play Standard Zone without any 5th skills and still manage.
Git Gud Fox yeah in standard I usually go with 2 fishing, 2 recycling, 2 lichenology, 1 utility, 1 mechanic, 1 computer and 1 character for whatever I feel like. Just so I can have a fully self sustaining base at all times positive on all stats so I can just do what I want when I want. In standard it's so easy I mostly just like messing around with infestations and freaks. Don't want to bother with worrying about resources.
Good video. Learn something new. Never had a character with chemistry. Going to try it out.
You're not the only one. I learn a lot in the data collection process.
Are you going to be doing one of these for computers? I can't see much use in either specialisations personally so if you are doing one of these guides for them it could be really helpful. Thanks for all the quality content either way :)
It is the next guide I'm doing actually.
@@GitGudFox yes thank you
The awaited day has finally come
It took a while to make, though a lot of it was procrastination.
Awesome guide, well worth the wait
Thanks, hopefully it cleared some things up.
Heya Fox, Outstanding Video's for Education and Ideas!
I have found the Thermite Grenades to be VERY useful/Helpful in Nightmare zone because you the Plague Heart attracts Ferals and they tend to run to the Plague Heart and the Thermite roasts them good. ;) In Nightmare it seemed to me about 4 Thermite Grenades destroys a Plague Heart and takes out the non-infected Z's around it. Of course I use Scentblock to keep the Ferals guessing and make it more relaxed. ;)
Great work! Love your videos.
Thanks, I'm glad the video was helpful.
Jeez, such a wealth of information. You’ve have, like, a Doctorate in this subject, yeah?
Let's not go overboard, lol. It is a pain to stitch together in the video compositor though.
I wish the bonus for munitions was +1 ammo for for pharmacology +1 medicine. That would make so much more sense and make them more useful than stupid storage
Yeah, that'd be a lot better. I think Undead Labs drastically misunderstood storage. This is even more true since they upgraded the base amount of storage everyone gets by +10 making these skills even less useful... but at the same time did not rework the storage system in general.
Chemistry is a must have on Nightmare mode. as part of starting 3 characters is optional but not required as you can just obtain chemistry characters as your 4th-6th characters. You need both Pharmacology and Munitions due to the amount of damage you take (in nightmare mode) you will need more meds and the low amount of ammo (in nightmare mode) you will need more ammo.
I'd say they're a notch below that. Must have is something like agriculture and mechanics since you can get completely shut down by lack of food and inability to repair vehicles.
Chemistry is really strong, but you can comfortably play without it still.
all the skill videos need to be updated to the nightmare zone perspective o and every skill video is still awesome and helpful even when its not the nightmare zone perspective
They're still pretty good even for Nightmare Zone. It's not that different.
Can you do a top 10 5th skill video counting down to no.1? I think it would be interesting with the steam juggernaut edition launching soon. Or maybe best skills for a 5 man community and best skills for an 8 man community.
If I do, it won't be for a while, once Juggernaut Edition comes out, it's going to be mainly Jugg Ed content.
I know these videos are like a year ago but there helpful for noobs like me
So I'm not sure if its mentioned but if it was I'll reiterate. Scentblock only works if you're character is alone. It will not work if you have npc followers. Gonna try to see if you can apply it before having npcs follow and if it keeps on or gets turned off.
Try it on your ally too if it's a community member. You might be able to apply it to them, then switch to your character and apply it to yourself.
@@GitGudFox its problematic if the mission requires that a non-community npc is with you and that's how I found out. Theres been red talon operatives that ask to kill juggs I just say hell no to that. Juggs are a colossal waste of resources. One way to kinda farm I fluence at the distillery is to have the stills run, get a zed/feral/jugg assault. My crew has 3 .50cal rifles, the rest have a mix of heavy weapons. Ferals are 50, juggs 100. I've got a survivor with people skills and one with business and run the command tower radio...
One way you can kill juggs fairly safely while still being profitable is to use the sniper tower. It costs 50 to activate, and you just need to get an execution on 1 jugg to win your influence back plus a little extra.
@@GitGudFox I've got my builder as a leader too so I will probably have to make a sniper tower to progress anyway. That should help with juggs. I would have to break down the keg cooperage to do it, or sacrifice my farm and make two hydroponics minus 3 beds for a small slot. could be doable to keep my operating costs down with the cooperage. I'll play again soon and will run some numbers on food, van space, and beer ratios plus any global perks from passive skills. Im very intrigued by the mazzaro farm having such huge grain storage. It's almost like they want you to farm food for the stills then profit when you move to the distillery. I'll flesh out the plan once I get the utilities perk for my legacy.
Munitions also increases yeilds if you have an armory or ammo press and is required to craft napalm
Just craft 6 strong painkiller for 1 med and 2 ethanol to earn 204 influence. this is way more efficient than crafting beer
Those are different resources. It isn't efficient at all if you don't have them. Selling items is about using as many types of resources as possible. Beer uses food.
@@GitGudFox but you can get tons of med in farms and produce ethanol (usinf food) in the stills
Most people (me included) will not want to waste a slot on a dedicated medicine farm + dedicated herbalist + still in their base. If you're using the Brewery, you can skip that step that step altogether and make beer. Food is also a lot more abundant than meds, and it also takes away from using meds on bulk plague cures and Zedhunter items which would outrun the production from a medicine farm to begin with.
I think that selling strong pain killers is a good idea, but it's definitely not a replacement for selling beer as it's way too much of a drain on medicine and ethanol to be sustainable as opposed to using both resources in a balanced manner.
ah i see. makes sense. I prefered the strong PK variant u get more influence for less ress in my opinion. But u right u need to focus on 2 resources and need a herbalist. Both methods have pros and cons. "your" method is way easier for beginners
Your method is what I'd call a build. It's a good idea, but it's a specific kind of setup that wants you to plant your roots into a base and prioritize base elements and 5th skills towards it.
Are you ever going to do mechanics? Or have you already but it is just not in the playlist?
I stopped working on it.
Git Gud Fox Well I am checking out your new let’s play and following along with it on nightmare I will see how far I get. So far just one day in and all my survivors are severely injured.
Just curious, how many days do you typically allow a community to run in standard mode and what accomplishments do you go for to consider it to be late game? Great video!
I would say "late game" is in effect when the game starts generating juggernauts, hostile communities, and frequent ferals (by Standard Zone... standards). I don't know what specific day has to pass by before one would consider it officially late game. It's more about the probability of the typical survival taking sudden and continuous damage.
In Nightmare Zone, it's day 1.
@@GitGudFox lol gives me something to ponder.
Normally takes 2 C4 charges for me to kill the hearts but they do get more health the fewer there are but normally you can finish them off with a few more shots, maybe one or two more from the B50FG after the 2 C4, have not tried the Dread or Nightmare mode yet to see how well they hold up.
The pyrolauncher always takes the same amount, first heart or 18th heart on Nightmare Zone. That's my preferred weapon for plague heart demolition.
@@GitGudFox I haven't tried that weapon yet, thanks for the input!
I forgot all of my methods for killing a plague heart on Legendary difficulty because it's been a while since I've played but I know 2 C4's are enough to kill a plague heart. Do not explode them in a chain reaction simultaneously. Detonate them one by one. So plant one, detonate and then plant the other as quickly as possible before you become surrounded and detonate.
My fault for being away. I got experiments to do again :P
I don't think C4 are a great option for killing plague hearts especially on Standard Zone. They might be better on Nightmare, but even then, I think bloater gas clouds are better.
What!? I didn't think bloated gas grenades could damage plague hearts. That's awesome.
@@edrodriguez3215 bloater cloud grenade and a firecracker, you'll need two bloater grenades and one firecracker, if you haven't already Fox is playing nightmare and making a let's play out of it and is finding plenty of tips, it's really fun to watch! Great job usual fox.
Demolitions and Pharmacology is the combination that works for me.
Thank you for this series
I never got around to finishing it unfortunately. That's when Nightmare Zone came out and people really wanted me to make gameplay videos.
Most of the info is still good even in Lethal Zone. Pharmacology is REALLY good though, far better than I imagined it in the past due to the "strong pain killers flip" you need pharmacology for. It is a money making powerhouse.
My favorite consumable is coffee so I grab cooking when I can
Claim an espresso outpost, and you can make super coffee.
Great videos fox!
You need a strategy guide "playlist." ALL of your strategic comparisons should be lumped together for easy access. I enjoy watching your base reviews, and your skill reviews but have a hard time locating them in within all the other content you have. Right now I'm flipping through your "Uploads" trying to spot each strategy guide upload in between all your seasonal episodes and other content.
They should all be in the "Strategies" playlist.
This is the first indexed episode which should include the playlist. th-cam.com/video/ZwELADU49qY/w-d-xo.html
You can also use the next/prev video on each guide.
@@GitGudFox i just saw this. thanks! I'm watching them right now!
Is that playlist hard to find? If 1 person is having trouble finding it, I tend to assume there are actually hundreds of people that just don't comment also having trouble finding it. I can move it up higher in the list if it's hard to notice.
Good points!👍
I wish I could get chemistry on my characters more often in Nightmare Zone.
What are the best Red Talon 5th skills would you say? I personally like Infrastructure, Demolitions, Hacking and Mobile Operations.
I've only used 1 RT character because I dread playing Daybreak.
Jack My favourite is firearms enthusiast because if you get the specific hero bonus you get 2 ammo per day
I just put chemistry on someone how do I get it to be pharmacology?
You need to level it up some more.
Pharmacology is a specialization of chemistry, I think.
One minor thing you missed was that you need the chemistry skill in order to upgrade an ammo outpost to level 3.
Upgrading outposts and outpost levels did not exist in the time of this video.
@@GitGudFox thanks for the response. I love your videos man. Your advice is my gold standard for the game. I feel like most people that play don't really understand the core mechanics and issues of the game like you do.
El supremeo fox!
Would you be doing updated skills videos with a lethal zone perspective???
I have interest in it, but I would need to find the time to do it. I don't like making these kinds of videos unless I have... say 80% assurance MINIMUM that what I am saying is as good as it's going to get, and since I haven't even beaten all the LZ legacies, I can't even claim to have say... 50% understanding of the difficulty level.
Good to know cheers fox
Chemistry is mostly for speed runs because you get so much ammo from it which makes killing PH early more possible
Your videos are very good and helpfull. Are you also going to make a video about mechanics and Utilities, or do you have one already? I really would like to here your opinion.😊😊😊
When Nightmare Zone was released, people wanted me to make gameplay videos which changed a lot of my focus. I do want to make more guides, but it has always been hard to juggle it with my day job and the channel gameplay videos.
@@GitGudFox Don't worry that's totally understandable, but since I liked your deceptions the most of all out there, I could resist to ask. 😁😁😁
Thanks you share my passion for this excellent game! Do you know what use Brock's 'Outlaw Chemistry' has it says unlocks outlaw Chem Lab facility upgrade but I can't see where this is done in Heartland?
I think it's a side upgrade to one of the buildings where you have to pick to upgrade in 1 direction or the other, but I haven't played Heartland in a very long time.
I can be a pyromaniac after this. If only I have the game lol
Independence weapons are fun but a bit impractical.
Do more please
I am still working on more. They have been getting harder and harder to make lately, so I have been a bit stumped by them.
I prefer to shoot plague hearts with 50 cal rounds because I usually have a partner they are shooting at it with their gun whilst I am shooting at it with mine so I typically dispatch of them with 3 or 4 shots. Same as when I fight juggernauts. I might be shooting a jug with my 50 cal riffle in the chest or head and my AI partner is usually popping magnum rounds in his face from close range.
The biochem station is essential for dealing with hostile humans quickly in Nightmare Zone because they can kill you very quickly. I just respond to the mysterious broadcasts, get one with the group of BP infected survivors, loot the supply crate, and let the horde of PZs kill them all because they usually have good weapons and stuff and there's no penalty for failing the mission soo 🤷🏾♂️. Plus the pitiful amount of influence for actually completing the mission is eclipsed by all the loot you can get from just letting them die. The biochem station, a dose of plague cure, and whatever cool shit they have on them, usually scoped crossbows, zedhunter consumables, Kbars and combat knives, etc
You referenced a video in the middle of your video with no link in the description or comment. What was the name of it?
Is it worth it to but the Independence Day bundle?
I would say it is probably the most powerful DLC in terms of items that you get. The Pyrolauncher is one of the best weapons in the game.
Git Gud Fox It's my least favorite pack because I can't stand to use silly weapons.
Did they announce when the WW2 weapons will be added to State of Decay 2?
I haven't heard anything since the initial stream.
@@GitGudFox Will you be doing a weapons review video when they release?
@@RET-2-GO It won't be possible for me to obtain them all the same day. I have no idea when I'll review them, if I will, since many of them are very rare because they only come from rare weapon containers, and then you have to hopefully get the right ones over the other possible rare weapons... and there's 13 of them.
More profitable? C4 or Landmines?
I wish they would remove the Prestige cost of all the daybreak stuff it doesnt make sense
It's a pain.
How do you have 6 outpost slots?
You need a network signal booster. I talk about it in my top 6 mods video: th-cam.com/video/cL5r_xNyApI/w-d-xo.html&t=
Great Video ,i have one question how do you get 9 food from a hydroculture
You can get 9 food from 3 facilities.
- Hydroponics (with compost bin + knowledge of agriculture)
- Level 3 Garden (with compost bin + knowledge of agriculture)
- Level 2 Farm (with compost bin + knowledge of agriculture)
You can get 12 food from a level 3 farm (with compost bin + knowlege of agriculture) but only if your community's leader is a trader.
@@GitGudFox Ou nice thank you ,so nice to see that you answer your fans
@@justflo5146 I answer most comments within a day or so. Sometimes TH-cam doesn't tell me about new comments though.
Can you make a video based on the dlc
Heartland I assume or just all the DLCs in general?
Git Gud Fox Heartland, never played it
love this shiiii
Bulk plague cure? No. I have more than 30 guns, but I'll take it into mind.
I feel like undeadlabs should take notes off of you
They seem to only pay attention to streamers.
👏🙂
Mechanic skill?
I haven't done that one.
Can a friend with the dlc give me red talon mods?
No, the game won't let non-DLC owners pick up the items.