I’ll never understand why some people think that any form of upscaling is superior to native resolution. DLSS, FSR, XeSS… it doesn’t matter. They’re all inferior to native resolution.
It can look better, when the native image stability is bad due to developers fucking up. But generally even DLSS in 1440p with quality mode looks noticably worse than native. DLSS and FSR does look better in native mode than TAA.
Clearly you've never seen DLSS and even if you stick to native you can use DLAA. DLSS isn't just an upscaler. It's also doing anti aliasing which is most often superior to native res with TAA.
I had a 1080Ti with 11gb of VRAM. I almost bought a used 3080 for $500. Honestly, the 10gb of VRAM is what kept me from buying it. I wanted a card that would last me a long time like my 1080Ti. Then when the 4080 came out at $1200, I was honestly pretty mad. That pushed me to buy first ever AMD GPU. I went with the 7900XTX for $250 less plus it came with a free $70 game that I wanted to buy anyways. So in the end I got an equal card for $320 less and i got more VRAM. I love my 7900XTX and the Adrenalin Software! I play at native 4k with zero stuttering. This card is going to last me a long time!
If the 5060 had 6GB VRAM and sold for $400 fanboys would still pay for it and it would also get showed into prebuilts to get sold to people who don't know shit about PC parts.
@@laci6242 Exactly. This fanboy BS needs to stop. It's just pure stupidity, and nothing good comes out of it. It just makes everything worse for consumers and ruins the entire industry. Nobody listens, though. Fanboys believe every single product is perfect and should not receive any criticism at all. Unfortunately, no matter how gimped and overpriced the hardware is, fanboys will clap like seals and continue to buy it. I also believe that if someone doesn't know the first thing about PC hardware, then they shouldn't be a PC gamer because their lack of knowledge and unwillingness to learn just screws up the entire PC gaming industry. I can't stand that type of person who considers themselves a PC gamer, and they don't know the first thing about the hardware and software that are required for a gaming PC.
The 7900XTX will last a bit longer at 4k Resolution due to having 24 GB"S of vram and a 384 bit bus , i agree with that A 256 bit bus on a $1000 + graphics card is insane people dont understand that at one time that was XX70 class tier graphics cards I dont agree with you often but with this topic i do
No it won't some of the titans had that much ram they got left behind ages ago lol years ago. By the time 16 gb will be struggling it will be long past time to upgrade.
@Steelninja77 the way these game developers are developing there games unoptimized and unfinished where we have to brute force a decent playable experience it shows when the bandwidth is to small Classical technology & Daniel Owens did test that showed that when using graphics cards at 4K Resolution with a smaller bandwidth it struggles in some game titles and the game will stutter while loading in textures. Yess bandwidth matters , it matters as much if not more than VRAM because its the ability to pass data all at once in a large quantity
Facts! I myself was always an AMD person. I built my PCS since the year 2000, and I only had 2 Nvidia cards from all my builds. I don't have anything against Nvidia they make fantastic cards. I just prefer bang over buck and longevity, and I have that with AMD.
@@MrMakaveli2012 yeah i built an i5 4570/gtx750ti build as my first computer in 2014. that baby got me FAR. I upgraded to a gtx 970 when fallout 4 came out so i could play that then later upgraded to a gtx 1060but by then it was so old it was finaly time for a new build. I went with a 7800x3d/ 6950xt build then later got the 7900xtx. I am very happy with this build so far.
I kept the 4080 super for longer because of the power consumption. I had an ASRock 7900xtx top of the line, but it consumed up to 500w... On summer you can feel the heat coming out of my PC, that's why I returned it. It was fast but too much heat... But I agree with you native resolution is much better than upscaling from any company, I believe a lot of people have an impaired vision, they can't see the difference
Thanks for your wonderful videos. It's refreshing seeing someone standing by their choice of which hardware suites you better and not letting others keeping you from doing that.
It is a great card I just wish we didn't normalize $1000+ video cards remember this card launched at a whole stack from the jump. I admit I do like and enjoy what AMD does more than what I'm seeing from Nvidia these days as a consumer but 100% the pricing of the RX6000 and RX7000 series was reactionary to the market leading position that NVidia had and had nothing to do with you as a consumer as beneficial. They are at the end of the day in the same business of making money and best believe if tables were turned and they were the dominate power they would also price to suit their wallets not yours. The card is a beast and I feel if you can get it on a good deal like open box at microcenter its a steal but at its launch price of $1000USD was a hard pill to swallow for a lot of folks and i feel they are still battling that pricing decision and will continue to do so for sometime to come. Their new offering the RX9070XT(if that's what its called) does seem like a call back to the 5700XT days which was a great return to form from them. We don't need more $500+ or $1000+ gpu's we need ones that are affordable that hit like the RX480 and GTX1060 did back in the day and now B580 from intel of all companies actually seems to scratch that itch. Sleeping on intel could be a mistake on AMDs and NVidias part seeing just how much progress they have made in just a year i hope that drive continues. Love your videos btw keep em coming!
"best believe if tables were turned and they were the dominate power they would also price to suit their wallets not yours." Exactly like what is happening with CPU's now. Intel has collapsed as regards gaming cpu's, and AMD have juiced the pricing on their CPU's now.
@@Paelmoon i agree the 9800X3D is amazing for example but expensive if intel was more completive im sure it wouldn't have been priced as high. I remember when both parties where swinging and tried to keep the mainstream stuff under $300 USD and look how quickly that has inflated. I guarantee it if intel cam back swinging a price war would be a boon to everyone wish folks didn't adopt this weird narrative of brand loyalty its dumb companies care about their wallets and their getting that money out of your paycheck they should earn it hehe
The 4080 was around 1300 bucks in my region while the 7900xtx was at 950 for the cheapest model. I agree that we need way cheaper GPUs. The 4090 is never ever worth more than 1200 bucks and shouldnt be sold at higher prices than that. The 4080 and 7900xtx should be around 800 bucks etc etc. But given the situation, I didnt regret buying the 7900 nitro+ top model for 1100€. Spending this much is a big decision and requires proper deep research imo. By spending this much I want to invest in longevity and quality. I want to keep my rig for, at the very least, 5-6 years so I dont have to buy mid range cards every 2 years for 500 bucks to be able to play the newest games on decent settings. But I hope the market shifts and we get decent mid range cards for 300 bucks, cause thats where the centre of the casual gaming segment seems to be. Most people are not hardware and gaming enthusiasts afterall.
@@Greenalex89 GPUs aren't GPUs anymore, that's the problem. They're mining cards and AI cards now, GPU second. The only thing that will bring down the cost of GPUs is purpose built AI cards (or APUs) that will be more efficient than GPUs at AI learning.
@@mikehawk1441 Thats why I dont see much value in Nvidia cards unless ur doing AI stuff or use specific productivity apps. And even then only the 4090 delivers. A GPU absurd for gaming alone.
the problem with amd is cuda...I need cuda because I do a bit more than just play games... sucks that amd decided to neglect computing and is now far far behind
@@glitchvid I'm aware of zluda and the whole story is kinda murky.. I know it's also been restarted from the pre-AMD state.. but.. nice idea, years from probable use unfortunately.
I'm not sure if you're referring to content creation. I have a channel on TH-cam, and my pc setup is ryzen 9 5900x/ rx 7900xtx (saphire nitro plus) 32 gigs of ddr4 ram3600mhz1000 watt power supply and 380mm AIO. I also have the rtx 3080 10 gig. I upgraded from 3080 10gb to the 7900xtx, and i do content creation, and theres literally no issues at all. It's not slow by any means. I use wondershare filmora on a 1440p monitor. Maybe it's the extra v ram, but my edited videos take longer to download/extract on my 3080. So when you mean Cuda, im not sure exactly what you mean when you say "pc far behind." In gaming, the only difference i see is with ray tracing, which i never turn on anyway.
Nvidia won't license cuda translation or its hardware design out, so you're screwed. Just wait till an anti-cometitive lawsuit hits nvidia for it. Nvidia will be forced to license both.
I watch the "Pixel Peeper" FSR - DLSS -XeSS comparisons and Ray Tracing showdowns and Nvidia, of course, is ahead on the technologies they created. Comparing user experience across AMD and Nvidia, those differences just aren't as big as a single screen grab in a comparison video would have you believe. AMD gives you a solid card for your money. Nvidia is at the forefront of software. Intel can be a welcome addition to the competition in the space. I love my current all AMD Red PC right now. Doesn't mean I wouldn't step into Blue or Green if value and features were beneficial. That's the balance consumers have not gotten since the 1080ti. Ray tracing is going into its fourth generation and has only just begun to be implemented on a wider scale by developers. There's still only about 5 games where its application leads to meaningful graphical improvement. Upscalers will be the new normal and every generation improves. AMD's FSR being fully available to older cards of all manufacturers is huge for longevity. XeSS working on some level across all manufacturers is huge. DLSS only being available on the last two generations of Nvidia cards despite the possibility of software implementation says a lot about them as a company.
I'm old enough to remember when NVidia had a 256 bit bus on a 60 class card. Today Nvidia is releasing a card with a 256 bit bus and calling it 80 class.
Apple has the best ecosystem, the best accessories, the best camera performance in the industry and the M14 OLED panel yields much better HDR performance on videos than the M13 panel on the S24. I own both phones and I cannot deny some objective truths.
I’ve owned Nvidia GPUs exclusively since 2008. But when Nvidia released their RTX 4080, the price made me switch away from them. The 7900 XTX became my first AMD GPU, and I love it.
On the point of people will buy nvidia no matter what, most people dont even know what a gpu is, they just straight up call it nvidia that allows them to play games. I have a 3060ti and I feel like they gave us so much on 3000 series (not as much as 1000 series) but truly a shame seeing what they did with 4000. That gpu shortage really messed up the whole gpu price economy.
Nice vid, sub earned ;) *it's so odd seeing that super-windy environment but none of the Characters are being effected by the Wind (the footage you have playing).
You are 100% right about the smoothness that a wider bus provides. Although I've never owned a 4080 super, I experienced this back in 2012. This was with the AMD HD 7970(384 bit) and GTX 680(256 bit). Although the nvidia card was better in some ways over the amd card , the gtx 680 couldn't match the HD 7970 in frame pacing and smoothness. My Sapphire nitro 7900 xtx now runs everything I play like butter !
As someone with an nvidia card, I’ve never tried an amd card. I mostly do creative 3d rendering work so that’s why but next time I build another pc it will strictly be for gaming and Im going with amd for sure, the price to performance is looking really attractive and I’ll be honest with u and as for ray tracing its pretty much useless when gaming. whenever I play I rather play in native 4k then use dlss maybe its just me and my eyes but I’m not a fan of the look of downscaled and re-upscaled images its like I can sense something looks off but who knows maybe its just me.
The problem is that tech reviewers always upgrade their GPU to the latest thing - so they never have to grapple with the longevity of their recommendations.
i been noticing the amd/ "radeon" display is more vibrant since 2004 days .. this after been .. nvidia "desktop" look washedout compared .. few people will talk about that .. i am glad to see others notice
@@FiniteRich are you hiding in my wardrobe again ? How many times must I tell you that ugly black thing is a Series X not a waste paper bin and no that isn't an ugly modem that's my PS5 now get out of my house you are getting the carpet dirty 👀
I'm only now considering an upgrade to the next gen from my 6800xt. It's hard to put it on a shelf after it's been so solid. A boost to rt performance and next gen upscaling is damn tempting, though. It just comes down to price.
For most of the gamers all it matters it’s Nvidia logo. Any other metric doesn’t really matter for them. It’s like you trying to convince a cold silenced wall. Mission impossible bro.
But still amd misses the opurtunity to take agressive pricing vs nvidia. I wanted to get a770 but with no rebar sypport i had to take 3060ti... What a mistake
im looking to upgrade my 2080 super this next year and am currently looking. the 7900xtx is on my radar, but it seems to fall short in a lot of areas. i heard that the new 9k cards coming out are supposed to be more AI focused, so maybe this will swing the pendulum back. as of right now it will probably be a 50 series nvidia card that is supposed to have some AI texture enhancement that is supposed to improve image quality while decreasing Vram usage. in order to get their prices in check, AMD and Intel need to increase their competitiveness in AI related tasks.
It absolutely should've been a 320 bit 20gb card, the performance gap between my 4070tiS and 4080S is too small and my XTX is just a beast especially when paired with X3D CPU. The 30-50% gap with 4090 definitely could've been closed up a bit more. Will probably stop at 5070ti with next gen and stick with 1440p UW.
I just bought a 4080s over a 7900xtx. I like ray tracing better and all my friends with amd cards have weird discord streaming artifacts and bugs. Nvidia stream always look better
I would buy a 7900XTX but just got 9800x3d, mobo and ram waiting for the new cards to come out and complete my build but will the pcie 5.0 make much difference in gaming? also do you think the 5080 will be worth it??
I’m looking to be able to play 1440p at between 60-100 frames. Is rx 7600 decent enough? Dipping toe into pc gaming and not wanting to spend a ton from the outset.
id recommend 6700 xt if you dont want to spend too much but still get great 1080p performance, currently, the games on high and ultra settings hover between 10-12gb vram usage
If you are looking at that price range, I would wait a week. AMD and Nvidia are going to announce their next gen cards. Things in the $500 range are really going to change. If you don't like what you see with the next gen cards, you'll be able to get a RX 7000 series card for less or there may be an NV card you like for the money.
Native resolution is better than upscaling, now if you just dont think about it youll be alright playing with everything upscaled but me ? Space Marines 2 NATIVE is better than upscaled thats one game i can 100% vouch for
So if you have 12 lines with 12 Civics. But you have 10 lines with 10 Bugattis. Which one is faster? Some of your takes are off, and that's okay. Both AMD and NVIDIA have stutter issues. The problem is always you single out Nvidia, but you hardly do AMD. Be honest, brother. BTW i own a XTX and 4090 rigs. no fan boy BS you know before the amd army start getting on my 🍑
@Phil_529 is about be fair and balanced. AMD has issues too. But you're never gonna see that here. I recently bought a B580 and have issues too. But the clicks I guess...
just bought an RX7900XTX from the UK for £799.99 and a 1000w PSU to power it based upon your advice... the new nVidia and AMD cards don't cut the mustard
@Frogboyx1gaming really looking forward to it Delivery tomorrow, but won't be able to connect into the evening/Friday Totally agree with AMD visuals, they do look a lot more "fluffy" and full bodied My first AMD card was an ATI 4MB Then I bought an ATI 32mb Upstairs I've got a Radeon 9600 pro and the retail box! Aha Peace out! Thanks for speaking the truth
Wider bus is not always better, think PATA vs SATA. ie: faster moving cars on a narrow bus will match or can even exceed slower moving cars on wide bus.... Ultimately, the only thing that matters, regardless of bus width is maximum bus GB/s... or bandwidth...
Im stuck, i have a 9800x3d with 4080super and pimax crystal. And still have to turn everything way down. I need a 5090 to get the most out of it. No choice. Or sell it all
@AverageLarryGaming no, wrc 2024 , high and mes settings with pimax turned to 80 percent res. MSFS24 pimax at 80 percent.... these type of games way better gpu
@@gaminginstilllife9429 yeah I don’t know what all those acronyms mean but I personally have a 14900k and 4080S right now and am not having to turn settings way down as you suggest.. so it’s obviously user error.. not hardware.
@AverageLarryGaming for 90% of stuff it's fine I'm talking about simulators like racing games and a flight simulator games that you really need the extra horsepower specially that rally game I was talking about
what I dont like about the upcoming choice between the 5080 and the 5090, is that the 5080 has been so needlessly and cynically gimped, compared to the 5090... I got 7+ years out of my 1080Ti.. and I think if I have even the possibility of doing something similar this time.. I feel like Im going to have to seriously consider spending the same amount of money that I would to buy a second hand car, and go the whole dark side route with the 5090.. and I hate that feeling that I am actually commiting a Sin of greed, just to get that same level of "value".
While true, the RTX 4080 S will never reach under MSRP as they discontinued it a couple of months ago and it’s still at $1000 or more, so it will be out of stock before it is less than MSRP, while the RX 7900 XTX has been and available for just under $800 a couple of times, while also discontinued. This this kinda a moot point.
@@Frogboyx1gaming Star Wars Outlaws 4K Ultra Preset 7900XTX 40fps, 4080S 45fps. That makes the 4080S 12.5% faster. Slap on RTXDI and the margins will be huge.
I don't get why Nvidia is always pushing for slightly faster vram. Wouldn't you be better off with a bigger 384/512bit bus and double the ram with gddr6? who cares if gddr7 can theoretically load 3.5 gb/s vs 2.5gb/s I'd rather have 24gb instead of 12...or 32gb instead of 16 and wouldn't having a wider bus(more memory chip connections) increase your overall loading/data streaming speed anyways? like a 512bit bus should fill vram 2x as fast as 256bit bus with same memory speeds.
Yeah I do agree for my uses 24GB of vram is better for me at 4K 4K GPUs should have at least 20GB of vram, always better to have more than enough at that resolution For me i've seen more stutters on the Witcher 3 using my 4080 Super than I did on my XTX, also got this confirmed with Fabio(Ancient gameplays) XTX isn't completely stutter free however but it is a lot better with 1% lows I can tell you Another game was Immortals of Aveum, that felt better on the XTX for me I imagine if vram is almost filled up like on Veilguard with 4080 super on fade focused texture, You get a less smoother gameplay, where as a 24GB GPU will have the extra memory to run smoother That's how I see it and I've experienced it myself to know what i'm talking about Just how it is really at 4K Also important to remember my experiences at 4K will differ from most of the ppl gaming at 1080p or 1440p, the higher you go up the more vram you need So since I game at 4K & don't plan on going back to 1440p, XTX is probably more suited to me if games demand more at 4K However i'm 50/50 if that's going too happen now since all the GPUs below a 5090 32GB are going to be 16GB highest So devs will have to start coding games better for vram usage or will be some overspill issues if they keep adding vram at certain settings
I don't agree that its better now but the AMD 7900XTX will definitely age better since it has more VRAM the only question now is when will games start needing more than 16GB of VRAM as we all know its gonna happen eventually its not a matter of weather it will happen or not but a matter of when as only an epic fanboy would scream to all that would listen that 16GB is enough for the future just like how so many of them are screaming that 8GB is more than enough now a days.
I think i played over 139 new games this year which is significantly bigger than the Average gamer plays. So my experience differs from that of most gamers, therefore giving me a much larger pool of gaming experiences to better understand the hardware needs I have. I was able to assess very quickly that the 4080 Super just wasn't quite good enough for my gaming needs. The 7900XTX came out on top a lot more often.
Spot on also, lots of these youtubers can be very ignorant to some issues regarding vram Daniel Owen said he wasn't concerned about 16GB at 4K but I can't really agree with that at all, again he hasn't had the same experiences i've had so he would not know He likely just thinks 16GB at 4K is totally fine & tbh it's good enough but I'd be worried about in from this point going fwd Of course it depends on your needs, but when you're having to not even be able to use FG because you're running into issues with 12GB GPUS, which actually is never spoken about enough by ppl I found that out myself that even FG can cause vram overspill issues I buy high end cards to crank up max settings, if I wanted to lower settings i'd be buying lower end simple as that Of course i've done it in reason with some games but ultimately that's how I see it with high end GPUs They should have enough vram as well I mean I did know FG uses more vram but never thought it would actually be something that makes me run out of video memory, so much so I couldn't even use it So for me that's not good & something a lot of consumers could get the right ump about if got a lower Nvidia vram GPU Even AMDs 16GB 9080XT might have that issue unless they have some new tech on the 9000 series to help reduce vram, idk
@@Frogboyx1gaming Yeah once they start getting Nvidia codes and free GPUs I tend to take less notice of their opinions tbh Tbh i'm not unhappy with the 4080 Super because it only cost me £500 from a mate But it was defo good to test it & if I had to pay over a grand for a GPU considering I game at 4K & it's advertised as a 4K GPU it's gotta have 20GB at least of vram for me But I'd want 24gb tbh The 5080 16GB doesn't interest me either because of the vram and looking at specs it's just an overclocked 4080 Super tbh Faster memory etc but we'll see in real world conditions if it's worth it I don't see it being better than a 4090 either, the 5080 Super might get closer however But yeah the whole reason I got the XTX is because I knew at 4K i'd have less too worry about with it, 4080 I defo wouldn't of got that at full price which is why i didn't, although it is a very good GPU, I think 16GB is not enough for max settings at 4K "To cover all bases" Indiana proved that & tbh I think going fwd I wouldn't be confident about 16GB at 4K but we'll see
@@Frogboyx1gaming Actually I think maybe someone like me who wants to go 4K max settings, AMD is going to be the better option if FSR 4 is good, because with NVIDIA 4K gaming is going to be more expensive if you're going to need a 90 series GPU and they won't put up the vram for the 80 series That's another way of looking at it, AMD will offer more in their generation going fwd
Cutting down may not avail them much this time around with the 5090 yields being what I hear they are. The rumors are already that 5080 will launch at 1600 with 16GB. Is it possible that the yields mean 16GB is all they can get on there? In days and week leading up to Nvidia’s earnings call there were rumors that test servers with Blackwell were overheating and on that call Jensen those issues hd been resolved. Fast forward 3 days later.. yea three days Nvidia quietly announces that Rubin, Blackwell successor is being fast tracked to H2 2025. So 60 billion spent on Blackwell and it’s to have a 6 month? 5 month? 4 month? Product cycle? That seems crazy to me or that they hit the same wall Intel hit with Blackwell. I will watch from the sidelines but something’s tell me that launch may not be all rosy. The memory offerings being leaked, if true, mean I am right. Bret that tool, said in a recent UFD tech news that Nvidia hasn’t had problem with the monolithic does so far it’s been working for them pretty well with a smirk. Man I really don’t like that guy.
@onomatopoeia162003 How many snake oils have they tried to serve us. It's to remember all of them. RTX is jusg another excuse to milk us. We could have 200fps pure rasta but they won't give it to us. I really don't care about lighting.
Why do you think amd doesn't use HBM II memory. Now the IPC have improve way more than Vega. I do wonder why is amd marketing is so bad. Wish i can get a job there
thats why opinions exist i get your sentimental value for that amd gpu but if you were realistic then the 4080 super is almost 4x better and 1.5x more powerful
@@Frogboyx1gaming I mean lets be honest here it gets outperformed in gaming but it also heavily gets outperformed in literally everything else by a mile while costing pretty much the same the difference on blender could be considered astronomical and video editing is also more convenient
I'm waiting for CES, I wanna change my rtx 3060ti gddr6x for amd this time, probably 9070XT or non xt, eventually 7900xt/gre, I'm going for16gb vram, I have enough problem with vram on my gpu. Yep DLSS help a lot but this is not solution in the new games, if this rtx has 12/16gb probably wait more than months before I choose a new gpu, but I'm planning change it in this month after CES. DLSS and RT is not so bad, but DLSS should be using as emergency when our gpu cannot maintain fps. RT is still producing too much noise, but nvidia added ray reconstruction. I didn't play Outlaws, due to my rtx 3060ti low vram and low fps and game is not so good. Greetings, thx for video
too realistic.. well some ppl love having realistic looks ;D but, depending on who i build a pc for and what the budget is... ill choose amd or nvidia really... if its an unlimited budget ill go 4090 all the way...
Well they want a bunch of money for these 5xxx cards supposedly. Im waiting for more deets on the amd cards. I wont be forking out 2000 or 1200 bucks for a gpu
As for longevity AMD it’s a better hardware. AMD has the potential to last longer. But AMD screwed even that argument. In my collection I have a GTX 980ti a freaking 2014 card. And Nvidia keep releasing even right now driver support. I have VEGA 56, Vega 64, RADEON VII a 2019 card faster, newer better in every metric than GTX 980 ti and AMD has no driver support for it. Didn’t cut the support this year. But ended one year ago. So a 2019 card in 4 year life span ended without driver support. This is UNACCEPTABLE. They have inferior product feature wise, aren’t as good productivity, they have falling market share, few years driver support and they want to charge just a little bit under Nvidia and they think that genius? Omg. Their executives need a brain checkup. And they will continue to fail less and less market share. Intel will eat their lunch. Even they have better hardware they fail to leverage it playing games with gamers and they want to charge almost as Nvidia? At this point they’re making themselves look like complete idiots.
I love my nvidia card but I've only had a nvidia card 4070 and 4070 ti super.fps is important but for me realistic graphics with raytracing does to.but I don't have enuff experience to say witch one better.but as always love the video ❤u tell man😅
Dude is all subjective emotion and opinion and no data. Nvidia and the 4080 smokes the 7900XTX and does it with far less power. he literally said, Nvidia is too realistic. Hmmm. Ok. I guess we know who sponsors his channel. Plus I don't like wonky drivers so it's Nvidia all day son.
Matches it in rasterisation pretty much. If i didn't buy a 4080 super i wpoulda waited for 9070xt tbh But 7900xtx woulda been my 3rd choice. But was sick of waiting for FSR3.1 all the time to get added to games. Plus do sometimes like a bit of RT especially now I can. Plus you are gonna keep telling yourself that co's you regret selling it. I would as well.
Firstly... Yes! the 7900XTX is better than the 4080S, it's 1% faster than the 4080S... it will always be the ''better'' card! 😉😂 On the bus width, I agree with you bigger is better! All I did was point out that except for the 4080 class AMD uses the same bus width, in fact it is only the 4080/4080S and older 4070Ti that drops against AMD, 4080S-7900xt = 246bit-320bit The 4090 has the same as 7900xtx both with 384bit. 4060/7600XT=128bit, 4070/7700XT=192bit, 4070TiS/7800XT=246bit. My point was you were blaming Nvidia for doing the same thing as AMD in terms of bus width. They both are pushing the cheaper option where they can. All GPU companies are selling you a consumable product, otherwise neither would ever create a new generation Froggy. I love that you love your card bro! I love mine!... because it is mine! not because it is an Nvidia card! 😂🤣 Only branding on my 3060 is INNO3D! and after modding and customizing I relabeled it RTX3069...Nice! Because why not!? 🤣😂 My Arc A380 (capture & Editing, Punches way above its weight and quite possibly my best $100 purchase...Ever!) and is labeled an 'AirBus A380' 🤣🤣 and has an image of an AirBus A380 on it! 🤣🤣for the meme's! 🤣🤣 My point is it shouldn't matter what company your card comes from as long as it does what you need it to do, and does it well. It should not matter if the box is green, red, or blue. Small note Froggy, I am not saying this is what happened just something to look out for as I know you use AMD CPU's. But with the 4080S did you use Afterburner for your overlay and monitoring? If so I know that micro stutters can happen with AMD CPU's due to the CPU power monitoring, un-tick the power monitoring in Afterburner settings and it can fix it if that is what is causing the issue, not sure if 'power %' has the same problem I'd probably turn both off. Again all I know is this happens, I don't know if its every AMD CPU, or just X3D CPU's or just some of them?! I just know it can happen and that is the fix. And Froggy as always I'm here to support the channel, and half of my comments are to create a buzz in your comments for you! 😉😂🤣 I would however, when clicking on a video on your 7900xtx, the video be on your 7900xtx. And not be a video about how much you hate Nvidia, and how much YOU don't think there features work better... because that's where it goes... within about 20 seconds! 🤣😂🤣 And Yes you can definitely improve the bandwidth with faster Vram, My 3060, stock has a 360GB/s, After OC' just over +1ghz now it daily's at 411.3GB/s 😉 over 50GB/s faster, I could go a little faster but I daily this card so... longevity, and with the +20% I have on the die I am basically at the limit of the voltage! and no I'm not shunting it! its a 3060!😂🤣 I have done way more than I should have already... but also stays under 55 degrees with that clock so cant moan! 🤣🤣And its only a twin!😉😂
The NVIDIA RTX 4080 Super outshines the AMD RX 7900 XTX in several areas: superior ray tracing performance, DLSS 3.5 with Frame Generation, mature drivers and software (e.g., NVIDIA Broadcast, Studio drivers), better power efficiency, smoother frame consistency, and enhanced content creation capabilities due to CUDA and NVENC. It also supports features like NVIDIA Reflex. While the RX 7900 XTX offers excellent rasterization performance for a lower price, the 4080 Super dominates in ray tracing, AI features, and overall versatility. But I do hate nvidia for 16 gigs. Like at least make 20. GOD. Besides that it should be a bit cheaper.
I bought both the 4080 Super and 7900XTX I ended up selling the 4080 Super and Keeping the 7900XTX. Sadly I just wasn't impressed with the 4080 Super. The 7900XTX is a much better experience.
Take a chance run & mGPU with a second 7900 xtx. Dues ex mandkind didived Rise of the Tomb Raider Shadow of the Tomb Raider Ashes of the singualority Red dead redemption 2 Sniper elite 4 Quake II rtx Cheryonlbyte Chasm the Rift Have fun
I’ll never understand why some people think that any form of upscaling is superior to native resolution. DLSS, FSR, XeSS… it doesn’t matter. They’re all inferior to native resolution.
You might be right. But sometimes TAA looks terrible and sometimes any upscale cleans that up.
@ Yeah, I’m undecided about to do about anti-aliasing. But DLAA is pretty sweet when it’s available for Nvidia cards.
Fax, I only like DLAA, and DLSS quality looks good on marvel rivaldi but that's cause of it's cartoonay style and good implimentation.
It can look better, when the native image stability is bad due to developers fucking up. But generally even DLSS in 1440p with quality mode looks noticably worse than native. DLSS and FSR does look better in native mode than TAA.
Clearly you've never seen DLSS and even if you stick to native you can use DLAA. DLSS isn't just an upscaler. It's also doing anti aliasing which is most often superior to native res with TAA.
agree with you 100% ... I always tell my friends: if you are not buying an nvidia X090 then go buy one of AMD's top tier GPUs
I had a 1080Ti with 11gb of VRAM. I almost bought a used 3080 for $500. Honestly, the 10gb of VRAM is what kept me from buying it. I wanted a card that would last me a long time like my 1080Ti. Then when the 4080 came out at $1200, I was honestly pretty mad. That pushed me to buy first ever AMD GPU. I went with the 7900XTX for $250 less plus it came with a free $70 game that I wanted to buy anyways. So in the end I got an equal card for $320 less and i got more VRAM. I love my 7900XTX and the Adrenalin Software! I play at native 4k with zero stuttering. This card is going to last me a long time!
7900xtx and 7900xt are the best gpus right now. we will see next year with the 5090 and 5080
@nephilimslayer the xt is cut down alot
Bad Ray Tracing
@@aeroflopper not really, 7900xt with Sam enable it can compete with the 4080, and at that Price it's so good.
@nephilimslayer no doubt, but it still a very cut down xtx
people are going to buy nvidia no matter what happens
Yea it sucks.
Maybe you are lol
If the 5060 had 6GB VRAM and sold for $400 fanboys would still pay for it and it would also get showed into prebuilts to get sold to people who don't know shit about PC parts.
mvidia is gonna be for high end peaple
@@laci6242 Exactly. This fanboy BS needs to stop. It's just pure stupidity, and nothing good comes out of it. It just makes everything worse for consumers and ruins the entire industry. Nobody listens, though. Fanboys believe every single product is perfect and should not receive any criticism at all. Unfortunately, no matter how gimped and overpriced the hardware is, fanboys will clap like seals and continue to buy it. I also believe that if someone doesn't know the first thing about PC hardware, then they shouldn't be a PC gamer because their lack of knowledge and unwillingness to learn just screws up the entire PC gaming industry. I can't stand that type of person who considers themselves a PC gamer, and they don't know the first thing about the hardware and software that are required for a gaming PC.
Excited to see what AMD does with those 7000 series AI cores.
The 7900XTX will last a bit longer at 4k Resolution due to having 24 GB"S of vram and a 384 bit bus , i agree with that
A 256 bit bus on a $1000 + graphics card is insane people dont understand that at one time that was XX70 class tier graphics cards
I dont agree with you often but with this topic i do
No it won't some of the titans had that much ram they got left behind ages ago lol years ago. By the time 16 gb will be struggling it will be long past time to upgrade.
Yeah 7900XTX is definitely equipped to handle 4K better for longer. I'd imagine FSR4 will work on it so it should have some great longevity.
@Steelninja77 the way these game developers are developing there games unoptimized and unfinished where we have to brute force a decent playable experience it shows when the bandwidth is to small
Classical technology & Daniel Owens did test that showed that when using graphics cards at 4K Resolution with a smaller bandwidth it struggles in some game titles and the game will stutter while loading in textures. Yess bandwidth matters , it matters as much if not more than VRAM because its the ability to pass data all at once in a large quantity
@@Steelninja77 It's possible games could use optional hi-res texture packs that target 24GB. Haven't seen any yet but I wouldn't rule them out.
@@Steelninja77💯
On Nvidia 4080s you want to run native 4K without the latency, turn off Rebar.
the way i c it my 7900xtx will have enough raster performance to get me by for 5-6 years
Facts! I myself was always an AMD person. I built my PCS since the year 2000, and I only had 2 Nvidia cards from all my builds. I don't have anything against Nvidia they make fantastic cards. I just prefer bang over buck and longevity, and I have that with AMD.
@@MrMakaveli2012 yeah i built an i5 4570/gtx750ti build as my first computer in 2014. that baby got me FAR. I upgraded to a gtx 970 when fallout 4 came out so i could play that then later upgraded to a gtx 1060but by then it was so old it was finaly time for a new build. I went with a 7800x3d/ 6950xt build then later got the 7900xtx. I am very happy with this build so far.
@@FafthriechRalofson Cool 😎
@@FafthriechRalofson Cool!
I kept the 4080 super for longer because of the power consumption. I had an ASRock 7900xtx top of the line, but it consumed up to 500w... On summer you can feel the heat coming out of my PC, that's why I returned it. It was fast but too much heat... But I agree with you native resolution is much better than upscaling from any company, I believe a lot of people have an impaired vision, they can't see the difference
They have to gimp the GPUs to keep them in budget to add RT and AI.
You have a choice: Raster + Vram or AI + RT
AMD is the best option at the moment.
Thanks for your wonderful videos. It's refreshing seeing someone standing by their choice of which hardware suites you better and not letting others keeping you from doing that.
My pleasure! I play a lot of open world games so the 7900XTX is clearly better
im still quite happy with my Sapphire 7900 XT I picked up several months ago, and ill probably be happy with it for a long time to come
It's a great card
It is a great card I just wish we didn't normalize $1000+ video cards remember this card launched at a whole stack from the jump. I admit I do like and enjoy what AMD does more than what I'm seeing from Nvidia these days as a consumer but 100% the pricing of the RX6000 and RX7000 series was reactionary to the market leading position that NVidia had and had nothing to do with you as a consumer as beneficial. They are at the end of the day in the same business of making money and best believe if tables were turned and they were the dominate power they would also price to suit their wallets not yours. The card is a beast and I feel if you can get it on a good deal like open box at microcenter its a steal but at its launch price of $1000USD was a hard pill to swallow for a lot of folks and i feel they are still battling that pricing decision and will continue to do so for sometime to come. Their new offering the RX9070XT(if that's what its called) does seem like a call back to the 5700XT days which was a great return to form from them. We don't need more $500+ or $1000+ gpu's we need ones that are affordable that hit like the RX480 and GTX1060 did back in the day and now B580 from intel of all companies actually seems to scratch that itch. Sleeping on intel could be a mistake on AMDs and NVidias part seeing just how much progress they have made in just a year i hope that drive continues. Love your videos btw keep em coming!
"best believe if tables were turned and they were the dominate power they would also price to suit their wallets not yours." Exactly like what is happening with CPU's now. Intel has collapsed as regards gaming cpu's, and AMD have juiced the pricing on their CPU's now.
@@Paelmoon i agree the 9800X3D is amazing for example but expensive if intel was more completive im sure it wouldn't have been priced as high. I remember when both parties where swinging and tried to keep the mainstream stuff under $300 USD and look how quickly that has inflated. I guarantee it if intel cam back swinging a price war would be a boon to everyone wish folks didn't adopt this weird narrative of brand loyalty its dumb companies care about their wallets and their getting that money out of your paycheck they should earn it hehe
The 4080 was around 1300 bucks in my region while the 7900xtx was at 950 for the cheapest model. I agree that we need way cheaper GPUs. The 4090 is never ever worth more than 1200 bucks and shouldnt be sold at higher prices than that. The 4080 and 7900xtx should be around 800 bucks etc etc. But given the situation, I didnt regret buying the 7900 nitro+ top model for 1100€. Spending this much is a big decision and requires proper deep research imo. By spending this much I want to invest in longevity and quality. I want to keep my rig for, at the very least, 5-6 years so I dont have to buy mid range cards every 2 years for 500 bucks to be able to play the newest games on decent settings.
But I hope the market shifts and we get decent mid range cards for 300 bucks, cause thats where the centre of the casual gaming segment seems to be. Most people are not hardware and gaming enthusiasts afterall.
@@Greenalex89 GPUs aren't GPUs anymore, that's the problem. They're mining cards and AI cards now, GPU second. The only thing that will bring down the cost of GPUs is purpose built AI cards (or APUs) that will be more efficient than GPUs at AI learning.
@@mikehawk1441 Thats why I dont see much value in Nvidia cards unless ur doing AI stuff or use specific productivity apps. And even then only the 4090 delivers. A GPU absurd for gaming alone.
the problem with amd is cuda...I need cuda because I do a bit more than just play games... sucks that amd decided to neglect computing and is now far far behind
A CUDA shim was developed (ZLUDA) but was snapped out of existence from the threat of Nvidia legal.
@@glitchvid I'm aware of zluda and the whole story is kinda murky.. I know it's also been restarted from the pre-AMD state.. but.. nice idea, years from probable use unfortunately.
I'm not sure if you're referring to content creation. I have a channel on TH-cam, and my pc setup is ryzen 9 5900x/ rx 7900xtx (saphire nitro plus) 32 gigs of ddr4 ram3600mhz1000 watt power supply and 380mm AIO. I also have the rtx 3080 10 gig. I upgraded from 3080 10gb to the 7900xtx, and i do content creation, and theres literally no issues at all. It's not slow by any means. I use wondershare filmora on a 1440p monitor. Maybe it's the extra v ram, but my edited videos take longer to download/extract on my 3080. So when you mean Cuda, im not sure exactly what you mean when you say "pc far behind." In gaming, the only difference i see is with ray tracing, which i never turn on anyway.
Nvidia won't license cuda translation or its hardware design out, so you're screwed.
Just wait till an anti-cometitive lawsuit hits nvidia for it. Nvidia will be forced to license both.
@@shadowghost815i honestly wouldnt spend over $900 on a current gen gpu to not turn on ray tracing. If that were the case id just buy a 7800xt
I watch the "Pixel Peeper" FSR - DLSS -XeSS comparisons and Ray Tracing showdowns and Nvidia, of course, is ahead on the technologies they created. Comparing user experience across AMD and Nvidia, those differences just aren't as big as a single screen grab in a comparison video would have you believe. AMD gives you a solid card for your money. Nvidia is at the forefront of software. Intel can be a welcome addition to the competition in the space. I love my current all AMD Red PC right now. Doesn't mean I wouldn't step into Blue or Green if value and features were beneficial. That's the balance consumers have not gotten since the 1080ti. Ray tracing is going into its fourth generation and has only just begun to be implemented on a wider scale by developers. There's still only about 5 games where its application leads to meaningful graphical improvement. Upscalers will be the new normal and every generation improves. AMD's FSR being fully available to older cards of all manufacturers is huge for longevity. XeSS working on some level across all manufacturers is huge. DLSS only being available on the last two generations of Nvidia cards despite the possibility of software implementation says a lot about them as a company.
I'm old enough to remember when NVidia had a 256 bit bus on a 60 class card. Today Nvidia is releasing a card with a 256 bit bus and calling it 80 class.
Nvidia is like Apple. No matter what the price people are going to buy it. They've just entered that stratosphere.
Apple has the best ecosystem, the best accessories, the best camera performance in the industry and the M14 OLED panel yields much better HDR performance on videos than the M13 panel on the S24.
I own both phones and I cannot deny some objective truths.
Guys when he turned down his settings his micro stuttering would mostly go away :O
I’ve owned Nvidia GPUs exclusively since 2008. But when Nvidia released their RTX 4080, the price made me switch away from them. The 7900 XTX became my first AMD GPU, and I love it.
On the point of people will buy nvidia no matter what, most people dont even know what a gpu is, they just straight up call it nvidia that allows them to play games. I have a 3060ti and I feel like they gave us so much on 3000 series (not as much as 1000 series) but truly a shame seeing what they did with 4000. That gpu shortage really messed up the whole gpu price economy.
Shirt on please son. Notice you skipped your legs and face. Hmmm. Wonder why.
Nice vid, sub earned ;)
*it's so odd seeing that super-windy environment but none of the Characters are being effected by the Wind (the footage you have playing).
Got one last week. The card is a beast in 4k.
You are 100% right about the smoothness that a wider bus provides. Although I've never owned a 4080 super, I experienced this back in 2012. This was with the AMD HD 7970(384 bit) and GTX 680(256 bit). Although the nvidia card was better in some ways over the amd card , the gtx 680 couldn't match the HD 7970 in frame pacing and smoothness. My Sapphire nitro 7900 xtx now runs everything I play like butter !
Exactly I play a lot of open world games so a wider bus will always be better
400 watt… microwave ahh gpu
Yet I bought my 4080 super for 999 and they are going used for 1300. Let's see how the xtx holds value?!
As someone with an nvidia card, I’ve never tried an amd card. I mostly do creative 3d rendering work so that’s why but next time I build another pc it will strictly be for gaming and Im going with amd for sure, the price to performance is looking really attractive and I’ll be honest with u and as for ray tracing its pretty much useless when gaming. whenever I play I rather play in native 4k then use dlss maybe its just me and my eyes but I’m not a fan of the look of downscaled and re-upscaled images its like I can sense something looks off but who knows maybe its just me.
The problem is that tech reviewers always upgrade their GPU to the latest thing - so they never have to grapple with the longevity of their recommendations.
Exactly
I'd take the 4080 any day of the week but to each his own
I have noticed the colors pop better on the ps5 vs the xbox series x also.
i been noticing the amd/ "radeon" display is more vibrant since 2004 days .. this after been .. nvidia "desktop" look washedout compared .. few people will talk about that .. i am glad to see others notice
Series X always looks washed out yet another reason why I prefer the PS5 over the Series X
@@bagelbomb1887 you don't own a series x 😂
@@FiniteRich are you hiding in my wardrobe again ? How many times must I tell you that ugly black thing is a Series X not a waste paper bin and no that isn't an ugly modem that's my PS5 now get out of my house you are getting the carpet dirty 👀
I'm only now considering an upgrade to the next gen from my 6800xt. It's hard to put it on a shelf after it's been so solid. A boost to rt performance and next gen upscaling is damn tempting, though. It just comes down to price.
For most of the gamers all it matters it’s Nvidia logo. Any other metric doesn’t really matter for them. It’s like you trying to convince a cold silenced wall. Mission impossible bro.
Right
But still amd misses the opurtunity to take agressive pricing vs nvidia. I wanted to get a770 but with no rebar sypport i had to take 3060ti... What a mistake
im looking to upgrade my 2080 super this next year and am currently looking. the 7900xtx is on my radar, but it seems to fall short in a lot of areas. i heard that the new 9k cards coming out are supposed to be more AI focused, so maybe this will swing the pendulum back. as of right now it will probably be a 50 series nvidia card that is supposed to have some AI texture enhancement that is supposed to improve image quality while decreasing Vram usage. in order to get their prices in check, AMD and Intel need to increase their competitiveness in AI related tasks.
The nvidia and amd colors are the exact same it was tested but Hardware unboxed
It absolutely should've been a 320 bit 20gb card, the performance gap between my 4070tiS and 4080S is too small and my XTX is just a beast especially when paired with X3D CPU. The 30-50% gap with 4090 definitely could've been closed up a bit more. Will probably stop at 5070ti with next gen and stick with 1440p UW.
I just bought a 4080s over a 7900xtx. I like ray tracing better and all my friends with amd cards have weird discord streaming artifacts and bugs. Nvidia stream always look better
You'll love it.
nv-enc was a goat when it came out and still is
Ok I’m pretty new to all this would I be crazy to buy a 7900 xtx now or would you wait till the next generation comes out
If you can get a good price I don't see any problem buying now my friend. 800 bucks or lower seems fair
@ I’m looking at a Asrock rx7900xtx for £1099 here in the uk
I would buy a 7900XTX but just got 9800x3d, mobo and ram waiting for the new cards to come out and complete my build but will the pcie 5.0 make much difference in gaming? also do you think the 5080 will be worth it??
No, we're still not maxing out pcie 4.0 and I doubt a new generation will be able to do that! "Only a guess from my side".
No, way too overpriced.
With 16gb vram not a chance
@@71janas Thanks for the info 👍
@@Lee-SR71 Was thinking that and the price for the 5090 is insane
I have the same processor and graphics card that you mentioned and it’s butter smooth
I’m looking to be able to play 1440p at between 60-100 frames. Is rx 7600 decent enough? Dipping toe into pc gaming and not wanting to spend a ton from the outset.
I would recommend 7600XT 16gb
id recommend 6700 xt if you dont want to spend too much but still get great 1080p performance, currently, the games on high and ultra settings hover between 10-12gb vram usage
If you are looking at that price range, I would wait a week. AMD and Nvidia are going to announce their next gen cards. Things in the $500 range are really going to change. If you don't like what you see with the next gen cards, you'll be able to get a RX 7000 series card for less or there may be an NV card you like for the money.
@ decided to go all in and get a rig that has a 7900xt.
FPS above 60 means nothing to me if the graphics are inferior in any way.
Native resolution is better than upscaling, now if you just dont think about it youll be alright playing with everything upscaled but me ? Space Marines 2 NATIVE is better than upscaled thats one game i can 100% vouch for
@@pedropierre9594 absolutely agree
So if you have 12 lines with 12 Civics. But you have 10 lines with 10 Bugattis. Which one is faster?
Some of your takes are off, and that's okay. Both AMD and NVIDIA have stutter issues. The problem is always you single out Nvidia, but you hardly do AMD. Be honest, brother. BTW i own a XTX and 4090 rigs. no fan boy BS you know before the amd army start getting on my 🍑
The irony of him glazing AMD as the better card when using Star Wars Outlaws stock footage. 4080S > 7900XTX in that game easily.
@Phil_529 is about be fair and balanced. AMD has issues too. But you're never gonna see that here. I recently bought a B580 and have issues too. But the clicks I guess...
Clearly the Bugatti but kind sir please show me where we're that far apart on Memory speed LOL 😆 😄 😅 it literally like Lamborghini vs Ferrari
Show me the 4080 Super running it at 8k like I did in this video LOL 😆 😂 🤣
@@Frogboyx1gaming bro, who buys a 4080 for 8K? That's Beyond the point I am trying to make. But keep doing what you do to get your clicks I guess...
16GB is the new Standard and over 20 GB for 4K
I TOTALLY agree about the point with 20 gb of vram ❤❤
just bought an RX7900XTX from the UK for £799.99 and a 1000w PSU to power it based upon your advice... the new nVidia and AMD cards don't cut the mustard
You are going to love it my friend
@Frogboyx1gaming really looking forward to it
Delivery tomorrow, but won't be able to connect into the evening/Friday
Totally agree with AMD visuals, they do look a lot more "fluffy" and full bodied
My first AMD card was an ATI 4MB
Then I bought an ATI 32mb
Upstairs I've got a Radeon 9600 pro and the retail box! Aha
Peace out! Thanks for speaking the truth
@extraspicywasabi you are welcome brother have fun with that new monster, my friend
Is stuttering still an issue on pc ports vs consol < no stutter > ?
Depends honestly it can be pretty bad still.
It would be superior unless the percentage of factory defects. The 4080 works. The problem with AMD high end dies is a meme
Wider bus is not always better, think PATA vs SATA. ie: faster moving cars on a narrow bus will match or can even exceed slower moving cars on wide bus.... Ultimately, the only thing that matters, regardless of bus width is maximum bus GB/s... or bandwidth...
True but the 384bit bus of the 7900XTX has fast cars too
Im stuck, i have a 9800x3d with 4080super and pimax crystal. And still have to turn everything way down. I need a 5090 to get the most out of it. No choice. Or sell it all
@@gaminginstilllife9429 you’re doing something terribly wrong if you need to “turn everything way down” with that setup. Like.. extremely wrong.
7900xtx
@AverageLarryGaming no, wrc 2024 , high and mes settings with pimax turned to 80 percent res. MSFS24 pimax at 80 percent.... these type of games way better gpu
@@gaminginstilllife9429 yeah I don’t know what all those acronyms mean but I personally have a 14900k and 4080S right now and am not having to turn settings way down as you suggest.. so it’s obviously user error.. not hardware.
@AverageLarryGaming for 90% of stuff it's fine I'm talking about simulators like racing games and a flight simulator games that you really need the extra horsepower specially that rally game I was talking about
sensible and rationale comments.. no fan boy service... new subscriber!
what I dont like about the upcoming choice between the 5080 and the 5090, is that the 5080 has been so needlessly and cynically gimped, compared to the 5090... I got 7+ years out of my 1080Ti.. and I think if I have even the possibility of doing something similar this time.. I feel like Im going to have to seriously consider spending the same amount of money that I would to buy a second hand car, and go the whole dark side route with the 5090.. and I hate that feeling that I am actually commiting a Sin of greed, just to get that same level of "value".
It does suck 5080 would be great with 20GB VRAM and 320bit bus even I would buy that.
The 4080S is just better mostly if you scored under msrp! When the both was the same price range the 4080S just wins imo
Let’s say is true but here in my country the 4080s (lowest end model) is about 200 euros more than 7900xtx pulse.
How does it Win? Everyone keeps saying that yet I kept seeing my 7900XTX pull ahead in the games I play by a decent margin sometimes
While true, the RTX 4080 S will never reach under MSRP as they discontinued it a couple of months ago and it’s still at $1000 or more, so it will be out of stock before it is less than MSRP, while the RX 7900 XTX has been and available for just under $800 a couple of times, while also discontinued. This this kinda a moot point.
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It’s just wins….. 👍
@@Frogboyx1gaming Star Wars Outlaws 4K Ultra Preset 7900XTX 40fps, 4080S 45fps. That makes the 4080S 12.5% faster. Slap on RTXDI and the margins will be huge.
I don't get why Nvidia is always pushing for slightly faster vram. Wouldn't you be better off with a bigger 384/512bit bus and double the ram with gddr6? who cares if gddr7 can theoretically load 3.5 gb/s vs 2.5gb/s I'd rather have 24gb instead of 12...or 32gb instead of 16 and wouldn't having a wider bus(more memory chip connections) increase your overall loading/data streaming speed anyways? like a 512bit bus should fill vram 2x as fast as 256bit bus with same memory speeds.
Bigger bus is better
Yeah I do agree for my uses 24GB of vram is better for me at 4K
4K GPUs should have at least 20GB of vram, always better to have more than enough at that resolution
For me i've seen more stutters on the Witcher 3 using my 4080 Super than I did on my XTX, also got this confirmed with Fabio(Ancient gameplays)
XTX isn't completely stutter free however but it is a lot better with 1% lows I can tell you
Another game was Immortals of Aveum, that felt better on the XTX for me
I imagine if vram is almost filled up like on Veilguard with 4080 super on fade focused texture, You get a less smoother gameplay, where as a 24GB GPU will have the extra memory to run smoother
That's how I see it and I've experienced it myself to know what i'm talking about
Just how it is really at 4K
Also important to remember my experiences at 4K will differ from most of the ppl gaming at 1080p or 1440p, the higher you go up the more vram you need
So since I game at 4K & don't plan on going back to 1440p, XTX is probably more suited to me if games demand more at 4K
However i'm 50/50 if that's going too happen now since all the GPUs below a 5090 32GB are going to be 16GB highest
So devs will have to start coding games better for vram usage or will be some overspill issues if they keep adding vram at certain settings
I don't agree that its better now but the AMD 7900XTX will definitely age better since it has more VRAM the only question now is when will games start needing more than 16GB of VRAM as we all know its gonna happen eventually its not a matter of weather it will happen or not but a matter of when as only an epic fanboy would scream to all that would listen that 16GB is enough for the future just like how so many of them are screaming that 8GB is more than enough now a days.
I think i played over 139 new games this year which is significantly bigger than the Average gamer plays. So my experience differs from that of most gamers, therefore giving me a much larger pool of gaming experiences to better understand the hardware needs I have. I was able to assess very quickly that the 4080 Super just wasn't quite good enough for my gaming needs. The 7900XTX came out on top a lot more often.
Have fun with your 10gb of vram for 2k Ngreedia boyz
32GB, actually.
Spot on also, lots of these youtubers can be very ignorant to some issues regarding vram
Daniel Owen said he wasn't concerned about 16GB at 4K but I can't really agree with that at all, again he hasn't had the same experiences i've had so he would not know
He likely just thinks 16GB at 4K is totally fine & tbh it's good enough but I'd be worried about in from this point going fwd
Of course it depends on your needs, but when you're having to not even be able to use FG because you're running into issues with 12GB GPUS, which actually is never spoken about enough by ppl
I found that out myself that even FG can cause vram overspill issues
I buy high end cards to crank up max settings, if I wanted to lower settings i'd be buying lower end simple as that
Of course i've done it in reason with some games but ultimately that's how I see it with high end GPUs
They should have enough vram as well
I mean I did know FG uses more vram but never thought it would actually be something that makes me run out of video memory, so much so I couldn't even use it
So for me that's not good & something a lot of consumers could get the right ump about if got a lower Nvidia vram GPU
Even AMDs 16GB 9080XT might have that issue unless they have some new tech on the 9000 series to help reduce vram, idk
These guys simply say what Nvidia tells them to say. They lost me with 10gb should be fine LOL 😆 🤣 😂
@@Frogboyx1gaming Yeah once they start getting Nvidia codes and free GPUs I tend to take less notice of their opinions tbh
Tbh i'm not unhappy with the 4080 Super because it only cost me £500 from a mate
But it was defo good to test it & if I had to pay over a grand for a GPU considering I game at 4K & it's advertised as a 4K GPU it's gotta have 20GB at least of vram for me
But I'd want 24gb tbh
The 5080 16GB doesn't interest me either because of the vram and looking at specs it's just an overclocked 4080 Super tbh
Faster memory etc but we'll see in real world conditions if it's worth it
I don't see it being better than a 4090 either, the 5080 Super might get closer however
But yeah the whole reason I got the XTX is because I knew at 4K i'd have less too worry about with it, 4080 I defo wouldn't of got that at full price which is why i didn't, although it is a very good GPU, I think 16GB is not enough for max settings at 4K "To cover all bases"
Indiana proved that & tbh I think going fwd I wouldn't be confident about 16GB at 4K but we'll see
@@Frogboyx1gaming Actually I think maybe someone like me who wants to go 4K max settings, AMD is going to be the better option if FSR 4 is good, because with NVIDIA 4K gaming is going to be more expensive if you're going to need a 90 series GPU and they won't put up the vram for the 80 series
That's another way of looking at it, AMD will offer more in their generation going fwd
i have a better one, the 7900xt is better than the 4080 super, because its 400 euros cheaper and u get more vram and higher bus memory
Absolutely
16:20 I agree man quality of quantity 🔥
Cutting down may not avail them much this time around with the 5090 yields being what I hear they are. The rumors are already that 5080 will launch at 1600 with 16GB. Is it possible that the yields mean 16GB is all they can get on there?
In days and week leading up to Nvidia’s earnings call there were rumors that test servers with Blackwell were overheating and on that call Jensen those issues hd been resolved. Fast forward 3 days later.. yea three days Nvidia quietly announces that Rubin, Blackwell successor is being fast tracked to H2 2025. So 60 billion spent on Blackwell and it’s to have a 6 month? 5 month? 4 month? Product cycle? That seems crazy to me or that they hit the same wall Intel hit with Blackwell. I will watch from the sidelines but something’s tell me that launch may not be all rosy. The memory offerings being leaked, if true, mean I am right. Bret that tool, said in a recent UFD tech news that Nvidia hasn’t had problem with the monolithic does so far it’s been working for them pretty well with a smirk. Man I really don’t like that guy.
I don't about hairworks, gameworks and RTX. I just want raw resterization. AMD gives me that. I went with AMD.
Hairfx. I remember that.
@onomatopoeia162003 How many snake oils have they tried to serve us. It's to remember all of them. RTX is jusg another excuse to milk us. We could have 200fps pure rasta but they won't give it to us. I really don't care about lighting.
The RX 6800 is the best GPU that's ever existed
Why do you think amd doesn't use HBM II memory. Now the IPC have improve way more than Vega.
I do wonder why is amd marketing is so bad.
Wish i can get a job there
thats why opinions exist i get your sentimental value for that amd gpu but if you were realistic then the 4080 super is almost 4x better and 1.5x more powerful
How is it 4X better
@@Frogboyx1gaming I mean lets be honest here it gets outperformed in gaming but it also heavily gets outperformed in literally everything else by a mile while costing pretty much the same the difference on blender could be considered astronomical and video editing is also more convenient
Nvidia have path tracing and ai. I dont care about better raw performance if i just cant play with ultra settings and use ai based programs
That’s like saying my gtx 1080 I still use will be always be better than my 3080 or 4080 stop the drugs sir.
Ne, I much better own the RTX 3080Ti/3090/3090Ti than RX 7900 XT/XTX and barely afford the ray tracing that a console does.
24GB > 16GB 😎
Amd will kill it like the rx 580,90 and 70 from 2017 vs th gtx 1060 from 2016 still working with all the 10 series and have new drivers 🤔
i agree, so does my mate who has a 4080super
rendering in Blender is why i stick with nvid.
even before amd consumed ati their driver support is subpar to non-existent.
Ill take the 4080S every time. I aint broke. If i was broke id get the amd.
They are the same price LOL 😆 😂 🤣
Maybe they were for a quick min but show me where you can get one today for the same price?
Great video. Good job 👏
I'm waiting for CES, I wanna change my rtx 3060ti gddr6x for amd this time, probably 9070XT or non xt, eventually 7900xt/gre, I'm going for16gb vram, I have enough problem with vram on my gpu. Yep DLSS help a lot but this is not solution in the new games, if this rtx has 12/16gb probably wait more than months before I choose a new gpu, but I'm planning change it in this month after CES. DLSS and RT is not so bad, but DLSS should be using as emergency when our gpu cannot maintain fps. RT is still producing too much noise, but nvidia added ray reconstruction. I didn't play Outlaws, due to my rtx 3060ti low vram and low fps and game is not so good. Greetings, thx for video
too realistic.. well some ppl love having realistic looks ;D but, depending on who i build a pc for and what the budget is... ill choose amd or nvidia really... if its an unlimited budget ill go 4090 all the way...
"Most of the world doesn't share your opinion" -superman
What in gods planet are you talking about? Micro stutter? I don’t even have the super and I’m driving the evo g9 57 in full duel 4K
AMD is better than Nvidia that is my opinion,great video thank you Frog👍
Agreed!
Until you want to run any type of upscale or RT
Well they want a bunch of money for these 5xxx cards supposedly. Im waiting for more deets on the amd cards. I wont be forking out 2000 or 1200 bucks for a gpu
Big fax, AMD HHHADEON FTW!
As for longevity AMD it’s a better hardware. AMD has the potential to last longer. But AMD screwed even that argument. In my collection I have a GTX 980ti a freaking 2014 card. And Nvidia keep releasing even right now driver support. I have VEGA 56, Vega 64, RADEON VII a 2019 card faster, newer better in every metric than GTX 980 ti and AMD has no driver support for it. Didn’t cut the support this year. But ended one year ago. So a 2019 card in 4 year life span ended without driver support. This is UNACCEPTABLE. They have inferior product feature wise, aren’t as good productivity, they have falling market share, few years driver support and they want to charge just a little bit under Nvidia and they think that genius? Omg. Their executives need a brain checkup. And they will continue to fail less and less market share. Intel will eat their lunch. Even they have better hardware they fail to leverage it playing games with gamers and they want to charge almost as Nvidia? At this point they’re making themselves look like complete idiots.
I use dlss to much to go amd. Maybe one day ill return. Just use whatever fits your preference.
I completely understand 😌
AMD 7900XTX Will Always Be A Better "Gaming" GPU Than The Nvidia RTX 4080 Super *
I like it.
I love my nvidia card but I've only had a nvidia card 4070 and 4070 ti super.fps is important but for me realistic graphics with raytracing does to.but I don't have enuff experience to say witch one better.but as always love the video ❤u tell man😅
Feelings over facts
Dude is all subjective emotion and opinion and no data. Nvidia and the 4080 smokes the 7900XTX and does it with far less power. he literally said, Nvidia is too realistic. Hmmm. Ok. I guess we know who sponsors his channel. Plus I don't like wonky drivers so it's Nvidia all day son.
Up to your old shenanigans, I see
I need the clicks LOL 😆 😂 😅
Matches it in rasterisation pretty much. If i didn't buy a 4080 super i wpoulda waited for 9070xt tbh But 7900xtx woulda been my 3rd choice. But was sick of waiting for FSR3.1 all the time to get added to games. Plus do sometimes like a bit of RT especially now I can. Plus you are gonna keep telling yourself that co's you regret selling it. I would as well.
Firstly... Yes! the 7900XTX is better than the 4080S, it's 1% faster than the 4080S... it will always be the ''better'' card! 😉😂
On the bus width, I agree with you bigger is better! All I did was point out that except for the 4080 class AMD uses the same bus width, in fact it is only the 4080/4080S and older 4070Ti that drops against AMD, 4080S-7900xt = 246bit-320bit The 4090 has the same as 7900xtx both with 384bit. 4060/7600XT=128bit, 4070/7700XT=192bit, 4070TiS/7800XT=246bit. My point was you were blaming Nvidia for doing the same thing as AMD in terms of bus width. They both are pushing the cheaper option where they can.
All GPU companies are selling you a consumable product, otherwise neither would ever create a new generation Froggy.
I love that you love your card bro! I love mine!... because it is mine! not because it is an Nvidia card! 😂🤣 Only branding on my 3060 is INNO3D! and after modding and customizing I relabeled it RTX3069...Nice! Because why not!? 🤣😂 My Arc A380 (capture & Editing, Punches way above its weight and quite possibly my best $100 purchase...Ever!) and is labeled an 'AirBus A380' 🤣🤣 and has an image of an AirBus A380 on it! 🤣🤣for the meme's! 🤣🤣
My point is it shouldn't matter what company your card comes from as long as it does what you need it to do, and does it well. It should not matter if the box is green, red, or blue.
Small note Froggy, I am not saying this is what happened just something to look out for as I know you use AMD CPU's. But with the 4080S did you use Afterburner for your overlay and monitoring? If so I know that micro stutters can happen with AMD CPU's due to the CPU power monitoring, un-tick the power monitoring in Afterburner settings and it can fix it if that is what is causing the issue, not sure if 'power %' has the same problem I'd probably turn both off. Again all I know is this happens, I don't know if its every AMD CPU, or just X3D CPU's or just some of them?! I just know it can happen and that is the fix.
And Froggy as always I'm here to support the channel, and half of my comments are to create a buzz in your comments for you! 😉😂🤣
I would however, when clicking on a video on your 7900xtx, the video be on your 7900xtx. And not be a video about how much you hate Nvidia, and how much YOU don't think there features work better... because that's where it goes... within about 20 seconds! 🤣😂🤣
And Yes you can definitely improve the bandwidth with faster Vram, My 3060, stock has a 360GB/s, After OC' just over +1ghz now it daily's at 411.3GB/s 😉 over 50GB/s faster, I could go a little faster but I daily this card so... longevity, and with the +20% I have on the die I am basically at the limit of the voltage! and no I'm not shunting it! its a 3060!😂🤣 I have done way more than I should have already... but also stays under 55 degrees with that clock so cant moan! 🤣🤣And its only a twin!😉😂
My 4080 super put max 240w in black mukong but 7900xtx stays always near 380w. The 7900xtx is prety bad card.
Having high power consumption and you already calling it pretty bad? Shut your daddy's money ass up.
Bro giving reach arounds to all the amd execs and a complementary fluffer too for that sponsorship
The NVIDIA RTX 4080 Super outshines the AMD RX 7900 XTX in several areas: superior ray tracing performance, DLSS 3.5 with Frame Generation, mature drivers and software (e.g., NVIDIA Broadcast, Studio drivers), better power efficiency, smoother frame consistency, and enhanced content creation capabilities due to CUDA and NVENC. It also supports features like NVIDIA Reflex. While the RX 7900 XTX offers excellent rasterization performance for a lower price, the 4080 Super dominates in ray tracing, AI features, and overall versatility.
But I do hate nvidia for 16 gigs. Like at least make 20. GOD. Besides that it should be a bit cheaper.
I bought both the 4080 Super and 7900XTX I ended up selling the 4080 Super and Keeping the 7900XTX. Sadly I just wasn't impressed with the 4080 Super. The 7900XTX is a much better experience.
And I’m good with it
Take a chance run & mGPU with a second 7900 xtx.
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Amd all the way
Duh, but it's not better than a 4090. The XTX is top of the line AMD, the 4080 Super is not top of the line NVIDIA.
I am aware of that
Ehhh and now look at the price....
Wake up fanboy! 🥱
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