Coleco Chameleon Prototype & Kickstarter Update -
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 2 ต.ค. 2024
- The Coleco Chameleon prototype appeared at the NY Toy Fair, and some issues have been spotted.
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I love how this video ends with Pat's "..... fuck."
+ChrisDoes TL;DR
indeed , he has lost all words but the one thats a dirty bird XD
WebVMan you are welcome
Nothing is as Retro as a SNES inside a Atari Jag lol
+B Mc HAHAHA best post I´ve seen about the Retro vgs =D
+B Mc its the inside that count ;D
+B Mc Having grown up with cartridge games I prefer to play the original game on the original system (nothing compares) but if i'm on the go i got the emulator for PC.
+B Mc LOL this made my day
+krispysback Same here, got my NES, SNES and N64. Also got all those games on my phone emulators with a nice moga bluetooth controller that the phone clips onto for on the go play.
Holy shit a 33 minute video? What is it my birthday!?! This is awesome!
It is my birthday... I don't have time for this shit right now, lol
+rickyrico80 hahaha happy birthday!
+518ashtray Thanks, it were 35 glorious years, let's hope the 36th is just as much fun.
+518ashtray And yes, I am working my way through the 33 minutes video. Of course I am.
+rickyrico80 Happy Birthday dude ;)
Colec-Colec-Colec-Colec-Coleco Chameleon
Ya come and gooooo, you come and gooOOoo
Hey Pat and Ian, I hear the Coleco Chameleon guys are looking to provide a VHS mailorder service for podcasts, are you guys gonna take advantage of that?
there is no real commercial demand for this and no offense but those so called "new retro" games that gamester81 promotes all look like trash. It seems like that group of retro gamers are the only ones that will buy this.
It is mostly trash he gets for free to show off
+Esco Monster I agree, and its just more people who are looking to profit off the retro market
+Hello Kittybot a retro system has to be designed for developers. that means - there needs to be a really convenient way of developing games. really old systems have restrictions that are primarily a pain in the ass for development (for example too less memory and cpu-power so people needed to write assembler code, in a bit better systems you could program in c but c++ with dynamic memory management was too expensive on the ressources. you did not have good libraries available in your development environment. it was simply an art to develop games that had stunning graphics and audio but took really a lot of time. now developers do not want to spend that much time for developing. so such a retro console has to be friendly for developers. with a c64 or an amiga everyone could start developing by themselves. with a xbox or playstation or n64 etc "normal" people are not encouraged to develop games.
thats one of the biggest problems i have with these consoles.
the chameleon fake started as retro vgs with the idea that everyone can develop games for it and sell their cartridges. thats a good idea. but sadly it was only the idea that was good. everything else was only a wet phantasy of mike.
i would really like to see a working prototype at kickstarter with the release of detailed specs of the whole circuit. but i think we will not see that ever.
be careful guys. You Insult mike and his product he will try to take your video down lmao!
Is Pat your new sponsor?
+ReviewTechUSA You forgot to capitalize the M in Mike.
Don't you owe people money? You're like Kanye West.
Shut up
+ReviewTechUSA Mike just needs to calm down. Maybe call him back in a hour and see if he wants some coffee.
Watching this four years after everything went down with the Coleoco Chameleon. There are a fair amount of similarities between this and the Intellivision Ameco. I think the Ameco is going to eventually ship a working product but not before doing some similar things to the Chameleon, like taking people's money before having a working prototype.
One year later and you’re only becoming more right. At least the Chameleon didn’t stagger on as painfully long as the Amico has so far. At least it died a relatively quick death and Kennedy has for the most part stayed out of the public eye.
I suppose technically amico shipped something to like three people. But I'm not sure that what they got wad much better than a protothpe.
It hit me when he showed the pic of the back of the "prototype".
These guys are going nowhere if they're doing shit like this. If you can't even build a prototype for the MOST IMPORTANT PUBLIC SALES PITCH in the USA and just steal something already existing, you're not going to get this out there, LET ALONE make a profit.
This is pathetic. I can barely even type this out.
+hankster112 Sorry to hear, if you were a backer. I simply don't have the money, or I'd probably be caught up backing something that didn't happen.
I'm also too poor to back anything. At first I kinda liked these guys, but after this, I just... wow. This is sad.
hankster112
I agree, I had hope too. Doesn't look like this is gonna go anywhere. We will see what happens in the near future tho, hopefully thru this channel.
"Don Quixote is pissing in the wind" is my new favorite mixed metaphor.
the role playing at the end was worth $180.
+c damm Ha!
+Pat the NES Punk Have you ever done a Live podcast?
+Pat the NES Punk Fuck..... Perfect way to end that video
+Koffy PR ya it's on his site when they do them. B
elieve Thursdays normally.
I love those RetroVGS guys, so many lulz for retro forums, I mean, pages and pages of it... They're the gift that keeps on giving, and I've never seen anything quite like it...
I remember when people would spend $1500 on a computer in the 90's and end up playing Solitaire all day.
this is why I've lost respect for Gamester81, he's supporting this BS.
you haven't been paying attention have you?xpcoin
Because his company is releasing a game on it
+Zito773 Ditto. He backed the wrong horse.
+RetroGemCollector same here
+Zito773 Nah, it's cool stuff anyways. I haven't bought any of the games, but it's cool that it's out there and shows that people do appreciate new games on older systems. If I had the extra money, I probably would. There's an appreciation for the older consoles, my question is, why buy these newer ones?
I have only question to this guy...
"Where did you learn to scam?"
Pat is that one kid in class who never pay's attention, but somehow knows everything.
I'm calling it now if this gets funded, then in a year they will announce that unexpected difficulties came up the money ran out and they just cant make it and everyone that backed it loses out.
I feel like Pat and Ian are going to announce their own retro cart based console soon.
Ian, it's powered by love.
Hopes and dreams and puppy dog steam
just fucking teared up man, lol
+GeoKaching Johnny And unicorn tears...
+GeoKaching Johnny
Bro, I am not gay, but that beard is sexxxy as fuccccc, man!
***** I'm not gay either, but I am highly flattered!
So a guy took a Super Nintendo mini board, stuffed it in an Atari Jaguar, wrapped up the back with electrical tape, and called it a "prototype." THIS IS A FUCKING HACK! WHY ARE PEOPLE GIVING HIM MONEY?!
If i shove a raspberry pi in a jaguar case can i charge 130 bucks for it?
+William G If I shove a Jaguar in a Jaguar case can I charge 130 bucks for it?
If I shove an aircraft carrier in an original Xbox case, would there still be room left over for the system boards and the entire observable universe?
"Oh, I miss a cartridge system..."
Hmmmm... like the 3DS? =p
I understand what you're getting at but technologically a 3ds cart is much closer to an SD card than a SNES cart.
Yes, but it should be enough to satisfy the need for a "not-CD" physical released game.
+Matthew Yates and an SD card is fast enough that there is hardly any loading time.
I still say a cartridge-based console could work.
Put flash-based storage or an SSD in there, put an Internet connection on there for patches, curate the content.
Alaeriia Yeah they don't write on disks, the patches still come in for the game on a separate hard drive. The problem with patches is simply the frequency and how long you have to wait for them. Most consoles can get around that by allowing you to control what patches come through automatically.
I'd buy an XBOX One before this. That's how bad I don't want it.
+unforgiven The Xbox One is an amazing console...outselling the Wii U as well..
and nobody cared...
+JohnnyDaBird I agree...it doesn't matter what the guy would prefer...
+unforgiven LOL
+The Nostalgia Factor It actually sucks. The graphics are awful, and sub 1080p is unacceptable. I'll stick with 4k 60fps on my PC. The only reason I have an Xbox One at all is because Microsoft is to stupid to release Halo on PC.
"unless you're some collector of plastic that needs it" Actually I am a collector of dust, the plastic just makes a good display stand.
Mike's going to call you bad names again :-)
+goldenretrogames drunk on water!
+Leo DS But when you fool people you need to admit it.
Sounds like a chinese bootleg of a SNES at this point.
+TheDeliciousMystery At least in a Chinese bootleg they pack like 500 or even 76000 "games" into one of their "consoles".
download a fucking emulator. you don't need this.
So you support illegal roms, get the hell out of here. Play the real systems loser.
You want to give me the name of a place where I can buy them legally?
+branaa09 it would actually depend on the game for me. I'm not buying Hagane for $500-$700
+Graydon Treude Ebay, facebook groups or any of the internet shops that sells retrogames :D
Something to keep in mind when talking shit about this guy using emulators:
1. When you buy a cartridge, the original creators won't see any of the money you spent on the game
2. Not everyone has hundreds of moneys to spend on ridiculously rare/overpriced games
3. Everyone illegally downloads stuff off the internet or has done that at least once in his/her life, making you a hypocrite if you call him out on that
Karma karma karma, karma chameleon, it comes and goes.....
The big question is .... Does it play jaguar games?
Pretty amazing watching this 7 years later. The "development team" wound up eventually showing a clear Jaguar shell with an HICAP50B CCTV capture card inside, and trying to pass it off as their prototype. I love these hindsight videos.
One thing that gets missed here is the FPGA part of all this. For reference, the instance I can find of implementing an NES in an fpga was on an obsolete spartan3-1000, a 17k logic cell device. The closest match for that in current devices would be a spartan6-lx25 (24k logic cells, maybe it could be crammed into the lx16 but that is a moot point) - this is a $50 part. Bulk pricing might get the cost down a bit, but FPGAs are not really intended for mass production devices. That's just the price for the FPGA, there's a lot of support hardware required that adds to the cost. How many people are realistically going to spend $200-300 (if not more) on an sorta-emulated NES?
That was just for the *NES*, the SNES is probably an order of magnitude more complex. Even more recent hardware probably wouldn't even fit into the top of the line virtex-7 2000T, a $20k device.
Just thought a slightly more technical nail might help burst this balloon.
I saw this video, made two chicken patties, grabbed a beer, and sat back in the recliner knowing how much enjoyment I was going to get out of this video.
This dude needs to drop it. Congratulations, you can afford to buy the Coleco Branding and Jaguar shells and make pictures of them in many colours. Now, where's the actual working console? Stop beating a dead horse.
That test cartridge is definitely a SNES SD card or similar multicart. Just check the connector placement in this official presentation "COLECO CHAMELEON - NY TOY FAIR UPDATE CLIPS" at 0:10. The connector pins are quite clearly extended SNES cart connector configuration. Either their engineer was just in love with the SNES components and ripped a pin connector from a SNES to put into the prototype or it's just a SNES pcb in a Jag shell.
The "fuck" at the end says it all..
There's something very familiar about all this.
I still stand by that this thing is nothing but some guys quick cash grab.
He wants to make some money and run, or thinks that companies like Hyperkin can do it, that he can too and be "rich".
I have ZERO faith in the person behind this (and I honestly think it's only one or two people) and I almost GUARANTEE that this is made by nothing but some scumbag who is looking for easy money.
I see ZERO integrity in this project , or the person behind it.
An FPGA system would be sweet since you could have a 100% digital HDMI output (vs using an ADC to convert RGB to HDMI), so video quality would be excellent. It would be the best way to play NES/SNES/Genesis/etc on an HDTV, and there would be no dealing with expensive mods/scalers or such. Also, having one console that can simulate several other consoles saves a hell of a lot of shelf space and ups the wife-friendly factor a lot more.
However, is this what the Chameleon will be? Nah... unless you have a serious hardware team with A LOT of FPGA experience, there's no way to get it done, let alone in their time frame.
Not being able to play old games on a non-HDMI compatible TV seems like a big dealbreaker for the purists out there.
+Andy Purists also wouldn't want to play on a non-OEM system either.
i would not mind if you had your full podcast live on youtube...i love watching you guys and expressions talking about stuff , everything is very well researched ......i have been a fan for a long time thanks for rocking it !!!!!
.....Ian needs a show!!! of some sort ..even if its just Ian ranting about things ...i would watch that for sure
Oh jeez, a half hour on this thing. Time to make some tea and settle in.
Conclusion after watching: Oh boy, their "prototype" is a SNES shoved into a Jaguar shell. They're the worst scammers ever. I really hope this gets banned from Kickstarter for fraud.
I was a little peeved at you guys last time, but after this sham, I feel like a fool. You guys saw this coming a mile away. The ending was spot on too. Thousands of used games/ consoles that could use a good home, and people are willing to spend double the amount on crap.
I still want my Dreamcast II though. It's called Project Dream, they have made contact with Sega.
That went well.
I guess no-one noticed the fact that they did call it a "Chameleon." :)
Wow how did this guy think in today's age people,Esp the retro gaming community, wouldn't notice all this. Just crazy. And the fact that they showed all this themselves is unbelievable. And why at toyfair. Were they hoping to trick a larger company into investing?
Why even use composite, most games enthusiasts back in the day in Japan and Europe were using RGB on a CRT to get better image quality... to see the sprites as they looked when drawn by the artist.
Composite just adds dot-crawl and a whole host of other issues to the image!
32:55 poor sad Pat is sad :(
Pat & Ian just got back from their B-52 mission dropping some radical truth bombs on the Coleco Chameleon! This project is the Fine Bros of the gaming industry. New hash tag #chameleonbros
Don't smack-talk the NGPC. :P
It's clear this team is incapable of producing any kind of product on their own. Like you have said they just have the tooling for a Jaguar shell and that's it. They can't design a board, controller or even a power button on their own. Basically the kickstarter is so they can hire people to design, build and manufacture the product for them without actually bring anything to the table themselves.
Normally when someone has a kickstarter project they are capable of creating at least one aspect of said project. I can't wrap my head around this one.
in hindsight how do you feel about your comment lol
This snake oil shit's getting beyond ridiculous. At the start of the project this at least seemed to be aimed at retro game enthusiasts/collectors and the like, but at this point this guy and his team are just taking a gamble to see if there are enough clueless people with money to fund them a short trip to easy street. That or they're just persistent beyond all possible reason. Ian's Don Quixote -allegory was pretty much on the spot. Enough is enough.
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I'd think that most collectors would know a bit about what they're collecting, and to at least some degree be aware of the things happening in the community. You don't have to do much research to discover what ill-fated horseshit this project has been, and I don't see it getting better anytime soon. Maybe I'm wrong. Some people probably will have their collecting-self take the best of their reasonable-self, but other than that, at this point I don't see anyone who's even a little on top of things being very interested in pouring money into this.
Do you guys remember when TH-cam videos were limited to 10 mins long? (sorry I know that's a bit random but it just came to me)
Non widescreen 240p 10 minute long TH-cam poops yeah I remember those (help me!)
+mario64remix Oh man that takes me back
+Samuel Coe I enjoy longer videos, less ads and I have to figure out what to watch next less.
+Samuel Coe I do, and now I feel old. Thanks a lot man! :'(
+Samuel Coe I remember when you could download shitposts (not insinuating this one is :P) and actually hide them. They might as well remove the thumbs down button at this point.
Remember the Scan-It console? No? This will probably end up like that - forgotten and unwanted.
Thanks so much for doing this video! You guys rock.
I love that this continues to be a thing. Such a wonderful clusterfuck.
Pats jaw movement makes him look gacked out lol
Love the part where Pat loses his marbles. That's exactly how I felt when people were saying the Ouya was gonna run Skyrim.
Why does Ian use a Playstation EyeToy as his camera?
At the end of the day, this seems like a case of the emperors new clothes - why anyone would support this system is beyond me!
I agree regarding : WHAT'S THE POINT OF OWNING THIS?
I legit laughed out loud at the Retro VGS's facebook comments @29:49, read with a "Oh gosh, golly" voice :
"Oh hell yes! Nothing like retro goodness! I miss games like this. Glad to see the Chameleon is bringing them back! Would love to see stuff from Konami, Jaleco, etc".
Pat flips out, points in the general direction of shelves full of hundreds of NES games
" *THIS* IS THE STUFF FROM KONAMI AND JALECO!! IT'S RIGHT *HERE*!!!"
haha, that was fucking hilarious
Man, I should try something this genius! I'll make a Universal Console that plays every game ever made, and I'll do it by ripping the guts out of them, stuffing them in a big cardboard box with appropriately cut out holes, then just electrical tape it together and write meme phrases all over it.
....actually make that masking tape, first prototype probably won't catch fire prior to the summary judgment in the following lawsuit
Stay till the end to see Pat go insane!
I'm new at collecting retro videogame consoles just for the pleasure of having a little piece of videogame history. I'm not against emulators (they output an amazing image quality), it's just that I like collecting cartridges and playing them, to "experience" living in that era (I was born in the mid 90s). This product is just a SNES motherboard covered with a Jaguar plastic shell. If you want to experience retro gaming then get an old system. To experience retro gaming on a NEW console then just download an emulator or get the game on a console marketplace. I support launching new games on old consoles, but not "new-retro" consoles in an era where hardware is constantly upgrading. Just my opinion.
This console gave me the courage to announce my prototype... The Intellivision Radulus! It's basically one of those Leapfrog systems that I cracked open and duct taped the internals from an old junker Wii I had lying around... You can play tons of retro games on my console thanks to the Virtual Console! I hot glued a small red LED that constantly blinks, regardless of whether the console is powered on or not... Figured the console could use some flair!
I fully 100% understand the desire to see new games developed in the old 8-bit and 16-bit style of yesteryear, but it's not the 80's anymore -- you don't actually need a new console for that. People should be petitioning game developers to make the types of games they want to see, not some fancy unnecessary hardware. Whenever I go to conventions, I always come across some vendors who have made custom old-school consoles that look really really pretty, and that's cool, but those things sell on the spot to a very specific type of gamer and are not something that needs to be mass-produced or get new developers on board in order for them to be viable. You guys are totally right -- this is purely a novelty item, nothing more.
"You are putting money in the pockets of people who dont a shit about you." - Truth be told, thats pretty much a description of most large corporations and what its like to buy their goods. You make it seem like its not a rare and wonderful thing when you find a company that legitimately cares about their customer base.
What shocked me about this is how easy it would have conceivably been to take apart and place the gizzards from the Super Nintendo and put it in the Jaguar shell. If you would really want to dress it, you could do it
I know it bugs you guys, but I'm getting my money's worth out of this saga. Best video game related story since the Gizmondo.
Then the Amico saga somehow outdid it
Man you can just see how sad and frustrated Pat is at the end. Not just at this project, but retro gaming as a whole - how people can get this much support just through false advertisements, how people scalp and ruin the experience for gamers like us, etc
This entire Coleco/Retro VGS saga should be available on its own playlist. Watching all of them in succession for the first time is like watching a horror movie.
Thanks for bringing attention to this flim flammery... people need to know what's going on with this nonsense.
You guys fuckin nailed it 👌🏻👌🏻👏🏻
Yeah, I don't blame you on the Coleco Chameleon fiasco. That was a megaton blunder. Also, nice Wayne's World reference at the beginning there. =)
I don't think these guys have the technical capability to provide anything close to what they suggest in the marketing. Would it not be much easier to just use a raspberry pi 2 in there with hdmi, microusb power already provided? Then the hardest part is making the cart slot function properly with maybe a controller board linked via usb or gpio. Either way, you could likely make one with superior features and properly multi format emulated for £100 at a guess. I just don't know what they are thinking with this.
+Lee Adkins I realise the end product will be hardware accelerated and not emulated, but they could have done a better job at faking a prototype at the very least if they tried.
Wow, a 33 minute clip?? btw the Podcast was only 57 minutes, meaning that this clip alone is more than half of it.
+KrossoverGod we normally go every other week, this was an "emergency podcast" for this topic but we wanted to pad it out just a touch with two shorter topics.
+Ian Ferguson Wow what's going on answering the comments? A month ago you coun't even remember your username! Glad to see you active! (and this is the second conversation you answer to where I was in. Woohoo!)
btw I was just making a pointless observation.
KrossoverGod If I'm browsing the comments I tend to answer them! I take chunks of time off from the comments section, though. It's good for the mental health =D
That's the thinnest supposedly CRT monitor I've ever seen at 5:00
Plug in the name “Atari” and you’ve got the story of the new VCS.
Pat, your "F" bomb at the end of the video, priceless.
I thinks funny how this roll play at the end really does destroy his mood a little bit haha but I know they're just roll playing xD he did seem down at the end & I would as well.
Shock horror all the comments on the FB page regarding this and asking for answers have been deleted.... Several people posted links to this video yesterday, they've magically all gone! Good old Honest Mike strikes again!
the final product will be a raspberry pi full with emulators hahahahahahaha
I guess the only thing we can do is wait for the Kickstarter to launch and see if they can surprise us.
This sounds like the best... said no one ever.
They announced yesterday on their Facebook that the Kickstarter campaign has been delayed.
Somehow I'm not shocked, after all the backlash they got and deserve.
Uggggggh. I've been keeping an eye on the system because I like the idea of the novelty of having new games on cartridges. I like owning physical copies of games, and I was turned on to it by a company I respect who doesn't have any physical copies of their games out yet (this was back when it was the RetroVGS). On their first attempt at getting funding, I pointed out that they were relying too much on the nostalgia factor and asked some practical questions about its specs and how to develop for it that didn't exactly get answered. The best answer they gave was "it should be about PS3 power at its strongest", which would be okay for me for the level of games I'd expect to see on it.
But faking a prototype and trying to pass it off as their system is waaaaay too underhanded. I'd like to see this project turn into something cool, and when people just say things like "this has zero value", I try to see the positive side of it. But when we see them directly being deceitful--not even having their sights set too high to achieve and trying to make the coolest system they can--there isn't much to be said in their defense.
What I really want to see in a system like this is to take some of the core things that made the SNES era of games great and expand on it with what we have access to now. I want to see HD sprites and fluid animations where those action-packed side scrollers left their footprint. I want to see classic RPGs that tell stories without the padding of level grinding. I'm not trying to go back in time, I'm trying to celebrate a wonderful period of the past and pay tribute to it with things that couldn't be done at the time but still fit the spirit of the era.
I'm going to continue keeping an eye on the project because there could still be some hope for a decent product coming out of it, but I'm going to need hard figures before I can actually trust it. At this point it's most likely I'm going to follow their project and read the updates, but not fund anything. They were going to talk about specifics of their hardware on their Kickstarter campaign, but now even that's been canceled.
The whole situation with this project is a downright shame. The promised the moon, I expected something at least halfway reasonable, and now it looks like there will be nothing in the end. It's just sad.
If you see SNES mini's start to disappear off ebay and Game Stop's site then you know where they all went lol.
Next "prototype" will be a Model 2 Genesis or Toploader stuffed into a Jaguar shell lol.
This is going to be such a scam, people will get burned and lawsuits will happen lol. This guy is making box of lies.
Just in, Mike Kennedy is working on a new console and is calling it the intellivision amico 😂🤣 #rememberwhenplayagain
Holy shady shit, Batman! This thing is gonna be a bigger flop than the Virtual Boy in my opinion. The idea was dream on paper but that's where it ended. These guys have been shady since the beginning and it's hard to see why so many people will back it. I'll pick one up second hand at good will eventually (that's if this thing even releases).
Pat can you answer what was up with Ian looking like B Rabbit in 8 Mile in those video game years videos?
Please tell him he looked awesome.
Pat has a meltdown @30:02 Pat's loses faith in humanity @32:36
They are preying on the ignorance & naivety of the average consumer-who maybe doesn't have the time to research other options for retro gaming.
It'll be ok Pat :)
Look on the bright side they win the scumbag seller of the year award!
I just don't get it. We already have cartridge based gaming in 2016, they're called homebrews. There's tons of fantastic games printed to cartridges coming out all the time for every retro gaming system imaginable. There's literally no need for this.
It's funny, because the evercade came out, seems to do exactly what people wanted, and I barely hear anything about it.
All the reviews I see are positive, everyone who knows about it like it, but it's not something I hear about often.
Why is Mike Kennedy in such a hurry to put this out there? He keeps rushing things and all it does is make him and his product look like shit. If he takes his time and comes back a year later with an awesome prototype, then he might have a chance. Instead he keeps opting to make promises he can't keep. This will be lucky to make half the money the Indiegogo campaign made.
Pats new phone prototype sounds pretty sweet
You can't fool us with your water bottle full of vodka.
Nah, I'm just pretending to be an asshole. The water is the life, as Renfield didn't say.
I saw it at the toy fair, it was... Strange... To say the least
Yall know that the original XBOX was a prop with a computer under the counter running the games right? Prototyping is sometimes just a mach up.
Ya drinking water. Sure you are Ian that's why the bottle is still full hahaha
how can they get away with that. I mean that is 100% a mini snes
Pat, first off I'm a BIG FAN. Second, I watched AlphaOmegaSin's rant about the Chameleon and the comments section said you were rude to a Gamester81. Is that true? If so, did you apologize? What are your thoughts on the Chameleon knowing what we do now? Just know no matter what the answers, I'll still be a big fan.
I honestly think the live demo is literally just a Super Nintendo put inside of a Jaguar shell. That is extremely misleading if you ask me.