Studio Ghibli beat Disney at its own game
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 14 มิ.ย. 2024
- Studio Ghibli's recent Oscar win for Best Animated Feature is more significant than you might think...Contrasting Ghibli's consistent excellence with Disney's recent dry spell at the Oscars, we delve into the reasons behind Ghibli's triumph. From their commitment to 2D animation to their willingness to explore mature themes, Ghibli has forged a path distinct from Disney's. Time to explore shift in audience expectations for animated films! If you're a fan of animation or just insightful film video essays this channel's for you.
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00:00 Intro
0:08 Ghibli vs. Disney recently
0:52 Ghibli & 2D Animation
2:36 Maturity in Animation
6:35 Culture in Film
8:29 What Ghibli is doing better than Disney - ภาพยนตร์และแอนิเมชัน
As I’m growing older, the inner child slowly disappeared until I can’t even remember him anymore. Every time I watched Ghibli’s film is like that inner child gently tapped me on the shoulder and saying ‘slow down, buddy, you don’t have to forget me to face your destiny.’
Damn this was so poetic and true
Damn this was so poetic and true
Wow this made me tear up a bit
Why did you described it so poeticly now I'm sad
@@EscapeReality123 crazy beautiful right?
Disney: You've beaten me at my own game.
Ghibli: Don't flatter yourself. You were never even a player
😂 damn
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ATLA reference and im here for it
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@@sonievkay 😂😂
What scares me the most, are these mentions of "making anime more appealing to western audiences". That's a fallacy... Anime is popular because it is different from the western stuff. Sure, anime should change and evolve, but it must not lose its identity. That would be just awful.
Definitely...I really hope that doesn't happen but to be perfectly honest I'm afraid that it will regardless. Unfortunately most studios revolve around money, and so If they have to change to appease western audiences they will..
They're not making anime better for Western audiences, just the woke audiences. 🖕🏳️🌈🖕🏳️⚧️🤬
Japan treated animation as a median not just something you put on for laugh like family guy or for kids like the west been doing for years and the west left itself behind
What you kids are seeing and enjoying today is Anime that has been created with Western audiences in mind.
You do not realize it because traditional Japanese story structure is no longer popular in Japan, . . . because it simply takes too long to tell a story.
What the West gained from the Japanese story structure is what is called the Story Arc. What Japan gained was an episodic format for their ponderous tales that Hollywood used for it's Saturday Serials that would be used when television became a thing.
And we can all thank/blame Bruce Lee and Jackie Chan for the extended martial arts fight scenes. 😉
As a kid I wasn’t into the anime style of animation but studio Ghibli shows me what I’ve been missing out on.
That's awesome that you got more into it over time! Why do you think you didn't like it as a kid?
@@miguelmunuera2601I’m not so sure, I guess I thought it wasn’t for me 🙂
That's fair honestly, thank God that our tastes can change and develop over time haha
@@miguelmunuera2601it’s prob cuz studio ghibli keeps that richness that humanity in their animation where as nowadays anime is so bland
Same, kid me thought it was weird asf buy oh boy I WAS SOOOOOOOOOOOOO WRONG.
The boy and the heron was release at the same time as Wish. The boy and heron proved them wrong about 2d.
Very true, the boy and the heron is so much better than wish it's crazy 😅
@@miguelmunuera2601 disney won't make an hybrid movie anytimr soon. Bob iger announced zootopia 2, frozen 3 amd frozen 4. It's been announced because of the money. Not, because he has a new story. It doesn't make me exsited. If zootopia 2 is like puss in boots the last wish, I will watch tgat. If not, it's a cash grab garbage sequel that nobody asked. When bob chepack was the ceo, I was exsited for the return of 2d in 2022, until bob iger announced those cash grab sequels.
I couldn't agree more. They're just doing sequels for money, which is ridiculous..but I hope that they realise that they have to do new stories
@@miguelmunuera2601 yes🤦♂️😭💀
@@miguelmunuera2601Wish was never good to begin with. It was trying to potray villain as a hero
Agree, Ghibli’s movies have adult depth and complexity, which may have never been Disney’s main vocation (rather family entertainment), bus also “soul”, which Disney did have in spades, yet may have lost somewhat in recent films.
Very true, the soul of Disney movies has been lost in the past 5-10 years, but it seems like Bob Iger has recognized some of the issues with their recent movies so I'm hoping for a steer back in the right direction
@@miguelmunuera2601 I really do hope so that's the case, and not solely driven by the egregious poor sales the recent movies got.
You don’t know the history of Walt Disney when you say things like this.
Animation is a MEDIUM to tell any kind of story. That's what I love about Studio Ghibli
They use that medium better than anybody else 🔥
3:39 We cannot forget the cultural differences here: Miyazaki often shows war in his movies, in an artistic sense he has conversations in his stories and animation.
Early Disney was not only trying to keep the studio afloat: they made the lighter tones, fairytale films in an effort to comfort American after the war. To find joy in life again.
For Disney and Walt, that's what they kept doing, While Miyazaki made though provoking films in conversation with himself. Nausica is just as much fiction as Snow White is, but the maturity lies in the conversation a story provokes. (And genre choices). And animation started as something more for adults! Over time though, in the west, it became 'something for kids.'
Now people are realizing that it isn't true.
Well said. It's very true that war is very prominent in Miyazaki's movies because of the influence on him, something I should've mentioned for sure. Yeah that's true, I guess in my lifetime it's always been associated with 'childishness' unfortunately.
Ironically to your point, Hayao Miyazaki pushed for From Up on Poppy Hill to stay on track for release to comfort the people of Japan after the 2011 earthquake and tsunami. The film is even set in the 1960’s, an era of restored optimism and economic growth in Japan after WWII.
Reminder: My Neighbour Totoro and Grave of the Fireflies both released in the same year.
@@nameless-user Damn what a crazy difference in movies released in the same year..
This is why I came to appreciate and love media from South Korea and Japan. Anime especially is something I hold dear. Animation is a form of storytelling and art that often times cannot be depicted in live action. Unfortunately in the West, animation is viewed as a children's media and adults would only enjoy live action versions of it. But even in Disney's live action versions that was supposed to aim at adults audiences, they completely lacked any mature themes and has little to no depths in their storytelling. There's zero complexity and depths in storytelling, whereas countless anime were able to depicts complex and mature themes in their animation.
Facts. Anime is so far ahead of it's time compared to western animation but I'm hopeful that western animation is now catching up to it, which is awesome
I saw The Wind Rises which my best friend. Now in that 10 years he’s gone and I miss him everyday. Ghibli movies are meant to be shared so I asked my mom if she’d like to go, she accepted. I saw nothing wanting to stay true and go in blind, an experience I haven’t had with media in a long time. I can say without any doubt that this was one of the best things I ever did with my mom we talked on the way home about it she bought up points I never thought about in the end of the movie I just cried. Waiting a decade for something never felt so damn cathartic. I was at peace.
That's beautiful, I'm sorry for your loss but I'm glad you got to re-experience it with your mom as well ♥️
I love that you talked about the maturity of anime. I’ve been so used to the (happy) story lines of Disney movies, and now that I’ve discovered Studio Ghibli’s movies (thanks to you) i see how much more complex and beautiful their stories can be. So thanks for that😊
I'm honestly really happy to know I've introduced you to them 🙈 but yeah that's true, although I do also love Disney's stories, Ghibli just has that extra oomph that I need sometimes
As someone who has been living on studio Ghibli since a little kid, I can positively say it’s had a great impact on me, how I view the world and regulate emotions. Ghibli has a way of showing the world as it is- in a way, their characters are small and insignificant in contrast to the expansive world that lies ahead of them. The world does not exist because of the characters, unlike many western movies. It’s humbling to watch their movies every time. The way they portray grief and destruction is also extremely moving- I can never forget the first time I watched ‘Grave of the fireflies’, despite having watched it when I was a very small child. Movies that can linger in someone to such an extent of time are treasures. I genuinely hope Miyazaki can continue to produce movies like this, as it seems his mind is still sharp and expressive as ever despite the passage of time.
So well said honestly. When I watched Grave of the Fireflies it was actually too much, I couldn't really take the sadness but it's a part of how beautifully told the story is
I also appreciate Japan for continuing with their 2D traditional animation unlike here in the West. Toy Story's 3D animation was great but to make every animation 3D has become stale. It doesn't capture the same magic as in 2D.
Very true. I can't stand 3D anymore at this point haha
Disney shouldn't shut down 2d.
@@vincenthoule5643 facts
@@miguelmunuera2601you mean 3D?
@@cheesesteak2795 I do actually hahaha just corrected it my bad 😅
Disney has been losing for a long time. it's what happens when a company that is supposed to produce art is ruled by corporate CEOs who care nothing about art. Ghibli is ruled by artists who really care for art. They care to create something beautiful and meaningful, not just profitable.
Absolute FACTS
thats exactly it
when it comes to pocahontas i think people really need to remeber historical fiction is a genre
True, but it's still important to handle a historical stories with tact and care even if it's fiction. Because it's historical, people are much more attached to the story since it's a real one
@@miguelmunuera2601 i think the story was fairly well handled the director talked to elders from the tribe and in the story both the english and the natives were shown to be quick to anger but both also capable of putting down their arms
Ive watched studio ghibli since i was kid living in small town and i never got bored, whether it was reading in the garden, watching the rain fall, climbing the small hill near my house, swimming, everything was magical. That what ghibli does, it makes even the most mundane things joyful and magical. It gives you a perspective to take a step back and enjoy life itself.
True 🥹 Miyazaki loves giving 'space' to his scenes, where characters are seen not really doing much, just living in the moment
Imo, Disney should make more films like Inside Out, the first incredibles movie and Wall-e because thise films were comdoes with a layer of maturity
Fuck yeah. Wall-E and Inside Out especially, they do make some brilliant mature stories from time to time
@@miguelmunuera2601 Also the comedy from the first Incredibles movie is still quotable to this day
They will not. The only good show from them is Miraculum: Ladybug and Cat Noir. And even here characters start to develope from 3rd season. So I advice skipping 2nd season
@@karolinakuc4783 Miraculous isn't Disney tho
Disney used to have soul and style before they lost their style with 3D and now they lost their soul with remakes and culture war.
It's ridiculous honestly, they've been horrible
By that logic, Disney modern 2d lost their soul moving on from traditional animation and art from the 1940s - 1980s
I've never watched a single Studio Ghibli movie before but I've known it's reputation for making great films.
I'm telling you right now, give them a chance and it'll change your perspective on storytelling and animation :) I'd recommend Princess Mononoke as an entrée into the Ghibli world
I agree abt the insanity of creating romance between Pocahontas and John. However I don’t agree with Mushu being a wrong representation. It was a good creative liberty the animators took considering how comedically timed Mushu was. His character gave the movie a whimsical fun to it. I (and Im gojng on a limb and say most audiences also) enjoyed the movie with Mushu than without him.
Mushu was an AMAZING character don't get me wrong
The beauty of Ghibli movies, specifically Miyazaki’s films, is that he makes them for kids but doesn’t talk down to them
Idk if I agree with that tbh. I think they're not specifically made for an age group, I think they're more just designed as universally good stories that anyone can enjoy, adult or child
@@miguelmunuera2601 He has stated he makes his films for children, because they’re the only ones curious enough to catch the details he leaves in. I could be mistaken tho
@@Mohammad-km9kw oh wow really? I stand corrected then, thanks for letting me know :)
@@miguelmunuera2601 Glad to inform :] Miyazaki has such a respect for children it’s honestly really wonderful to see.
Fun fact in Totoro, he said that the reason why Mei sees the little Totoro is because she has not had her childhood violated by adult common sense. It’s very interesting
@@Mohammad-km9kw man I love that. Children are so protected from biases and everything that life throws your way. It is beautiful for sure
Studio Ghibli simply tells better stories than current Disney.
It is not possible for me to compare the previous works to Spirited Away, because the titles of the 90s, both from Disney and Ghibli, are on two different levels and, although even the best works of the Renaissance have some flaws, they still remain masterpieces, they just stand on different bases.
However, since Disney decided to abandon not only 2D, but also the reinterpretation of fables/fairy tales as it used to do, there has been a curious shift in perspective: I take The Princess and the Frog, to date the latest classic in traditional animation. Well, this film largely takes up the concept of the original fairy tale, but tries to subvert its underlying assumptions (like Tiana, who is not a princess by blood, but only in dress) in an ironic way. Comparing it to Frozen, which also takes its inspiration from an Andersen fairy tale, we note the attempt to subvert the original story, but the result is much inferior, so much so that merchandising was above all (and still is today) the main driving force of Elsa and Anna.
Studio Ghibli has been able to take advantage of Disney's lack of content, as well as capitalizing on those who miss traditional animation and also, in a certain sense, taking advantage of the public who, despite being passionate about anime, increasingly feel the lack of stories that they leave something to the viewer, beyond the simple visual spectacle.
as far as I'm concerned, The Boy and the Heron, despite representing a very symbolic film and open to a thousand possible interpretations, eats up all the Disney works of the last ten years, regardless of the fact that the two studios work (and have always worked) on very different levels in terms of communicating a story.
I dare say that there is a feature of Ghibli films that Disney seems to have lost: the soundtracks. And, be careful, I'm not talking about songs: those can be very catchy (I take the songs of Maui or Tamatoa from Moana), but beyond the simple melody or the nice words, they don't go much further... let's try to compare them to the powerful soundtrack of the Hunchback of Notre Dame, or that of Beauty and the Beast... if we then make a comparison with a film like Princess Mononoke, there is no story at all, and this is always without counting the plot.
Amazing comment, love this!! And you're right about the soundtrack, although Disney has produced masterpieces in terms of catchy songs that we all love and remember, it just isn't on the level of the melodic perfection of Joe Hisaishi with songs like One Summer's Day, to name just one of many. Although I would argue the score of the Lion King by Hans Zimmer also is truly breathtaking
@@miguelmunuera2601 I recently listened to the soundtrack of Mulan (by Jerry Goldsmith): apart from being perfectly in line with the setting that the film shows, it is also excellent from a point of view outside the mere Chinese panorama... it's there a lot of drama in this soundtrack and also epicness, so much so that it could easily fit into a wuxia film (the classic Chinese film genre with duels, martial arts and magic, like The Forest of Flying Daggers or Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon).
You're right!!! The soundtrack is quite epic while also allowing for songs with cultural appropriateness and beauty to them
One thing I would like to add is the difference in the approach to climaxes between Disney and Ghibli: I was thinking about it, comparing Wish with Princess Mononoke (but we could also take Howl's Moving Castle). Disney has almost always favored a schematic opposition between good and evil characters.
Even with some exceptions (like Amos from The fox and the hound, or Long John Silver from Treasure Planet), the climax resolved with the defeat of the villains.
In Studio Ghibli, however, a more nuanced vision of the two sides of the coin seems to prevail: there are certainly characters thirsty for power and with ill intentions (I'm thinking of the king of the parrots in The Boy and the Heron, or the old lady in Arietty), but in the works better known, we are much more aligned with a narrative that there is not just one side that is right.
In Princess Mononoke, Eboshi and Moro the she-wolf are both wrong, despite being right at the same time: the former wants to anthropize the region for human well-being, the latter is intent on protecting the god's forest. The points of view are correct, but the approaches are wrong, and Ashitaka reiterates this to San, in their final farewell.
Or again, in Spirited Away, Yubaba is a figure much more similar to the gruff mentor, who imparts a severe lesson to the protagonist, so much so that at the end, when Chihiro passes the test, she is clearly seen smiling in the girl's direction, although it do it secretly.
This derives not only from a different vision of the contrast between good and evil, which certainly has a certain cultural background, but also from a strange desire on the part of Disney today not to really want to paint multi-faceted characters and in showing the consequences of these nuances.
An aspect, once again, best put on screen by Studio Ghibli, if not in all its films, at least in a good part of them.
@@Toshiro93 well said 👏👏 you explained it even better than me :)
Prince of Egypt was a great movie! Those songs hit differently
Oh my god seriously though. I watched it recently and the songs blew me away. I still have them on repeat on Spotify haha
Pixar, Studio Ghibli, Toho, Laika, Cartoon Saloon, Studio Ponoc, Madhouse, Aardman and Warner Bros are the most consistent Animation Studios in terms of quality and reviews. Disney, Sony, Illumination and Dreamworks are very inconsistent unfortunatey but i still love them. ☺️☺️
Good little summary of the studios! 👀
@@miguelmunuera2601 Yes Sir there's a lot of Animation Studios outside U.S. that has been consistent of their work.
Maybe I should do a video on those studios 👀
@@miguelmunuera2601 have you seen satoshi kon movies? highly recommended
@@miguelmunuera2601 Yes you should in the future. My advice for you Sir Miguel is do a video list of Top 20 Best Animation Studios. That would actually be great. We are always here to support you. ☺️💙
long wined way of saying: Disney keeps making soulless cash grabs
Basically haha
the fact that children are building fandoms for semi-adult independent animation studios on TH-cam is an evidence that children are craving for dark-toned animated films and series because the happy Disney tone is so bland now.
Oh really? Which studios are you talking about specifically?
@miguelmunuera2601 I don't wanna give specifics they are all good and special can't list them all, if you explore the internet enough about animation and cartoons they will surface, they are making quite a loud buzz about how these independent studios defeating mega studios, go do your research.😅
@@Grey_Wheatfield Damn man doesn't want to give me some clues hahaha okay fair enough
@@miguelmunuera2601 im so sorry😭
Kids know when media is talking down to them. Studio Ghibli doesn’t patronise or condescend, it just presents complex themes in a way kids can more easily digest it. I didn’t grow up on Disney but on Don Bluth movies that were definitely darker with more mature themes.
As I mature my childlike wonder didn’t fade away and spark more mix with my older self as cranky it’s better to rewatch Ghibli content that is so good amazing stories for all ages
Love that! 😅
What's more significant is that Ghibli beat Disney at a time the Public has a greater appreciation for animation
Hell yeah
Man, it's refreshing to find channels like this that have such amazing substance in their content.
Consider yourself to have gained a loyal subscriber 👊
This is so cute man thanks 🥹
I was pretty anti-anime due to a lot of misconceptions you address in your videos.
Your channel has pushed me to give it a chance, and I'll never look back! 😍
I'm honestly so happy to hear that 🥹 it's a whole new amazing world
Studio Ghibli is my favorite animation studio
Same..👀 There's no feeling to compare how it feels to watch a great Ghibli movie
@@miguelmunuera2601Completely True I Love Spirited Away, Princess Mononoke, Caste in the Sky and My Neighbor Totoro Animation is Art
Amazing options!! Howl's Moving Castle is my favourite of all time but Princess Mononoke, Spirited Away, Whisper of the heart...so many good movies
My favourite Studio Ghibli childhood is My Neighbour Totoro the most amazing and beautiful that I ever seen and now my dream is finally come true Studio Ghibli beat Disney
I want to see art made by humans not robots
Same..
This was probably my favourite video to make, love these studios. Hope you enjoy it too :) Let me know what you think about this take though!👀Also, I'll be pinning the best comment so make sure to get involved
As someone who works in the entertainment sector of Disney, I can tell you with discernible certainty.
The reason studio Ghibli wipes the floor with Disney is because Ghibli is a company of creative’s with passion, Disney is a company of executives that stick their noses where they don’t belong IE in their creatives way.
Encanto is one of Disney’s absolute best films in a decade and all you have to do is watch the interviews from the writers and the artists and listen to how hard they actually had to fight to keep a shred of their original vision alive. It’s heartbreaking.
Disney doesn’t want creativity they want the stats and analysis of what they think people want down on paper.
Also I don’t want anyone chiming in with their “Disney is wOkE bs, that’s not a real issue. If anything you are.
Yeah that makes total sense, it's been my theory for a while now as well. The second a studio starts prioritizing sequels and remakes, you can tell their intentions and goals just simply aren't creative, but rather financial. It's funny though because over time this strategy is just going to lead to less financial success and the tarnish of Disney's reputation
@@miguelmunuera2601 Could not agree more. It is astronomically mind blowing that the executives have tricked themselves into thinking that they know what’s best for storytelling.
@@Itsconnor98 astronomically mind-blowing, couldn't have said it better myself haha
while i do think some people blow it out of proportion they are kinda woke don't even try to deny that
I’ve always been confused why executives interfere to the extent they do in movie production. Like, yes, a good movie will cause more people to recommend or even rewatch it in theaters, but generally the initial decision to watch a movie is based on premise and the trailer. The people who fall for the premise can’t un-buy their ticket. All you need is competent staff to make a story that isn’t bad enough to drive people away, and if you don’t think they’re competent… why did you hire them??? Because they interfere with aspects that won’t affect marketability, in my eyes. But I don’t think they understand what makes movies successful? It’s all superficial stuff to them, I imagine. Or they wish they were the ones writing the movie but can’t because they can’t write!
Just for Record, 2d animation has not either owner nor nationality.
Couldn't agree more! Just wish the west did more of it than they do now 🥲
@@miguelmunuera2601 so do I. West was absurdly good on doing whatever they wanted to do.
Studio Ghibli’s films and animation style is what inspired me to start experimenting with my own drawings. Though credit where credit is due, Disney sowed the seeds for me, especially with movies like Mulan, Beauty and the Beast and Princess and the Frog plus shows like Gravity Falls, Amphibia and The Owl House. But Ghibli is what motivated to sit down with a pencil and paper and begin drawing again.
I dislike with what Disney is like nowadays. But I do hope one day it can explore its roots again.
I love that. Of course Disney has inspired us all with so many of its movies, that's why it's so frustrating to see what it is today haha
I love that you pointed out the different views of animation between America and Japan. America has had this stigma where animation had always been viewed as child friendly family entertainment from its first inception and only in recent years has it begun to be taken more seriously. Japan has been using animation to tell more serious and nuance stories for well over half a century.
Yeah 100%! I find it so awesome that Japan has had a completely different relationship to animation for decades
Disney did dipp their toes into more darker and mature work with Pocahontas, The Lion King and The Hunchback of Notre Dame but after that they pulled back and haven't gone back since. I really miss 2D-animation.
True, but even those works have quite a few comedic relief characters and quite a lot of comedy and jokes, etc. which is good, I mean it's what makes Disney. But it's quite different compared to the dark works of Ghibli like Graveyard of the fireflies...what a tough movie to watch.
@@miguelmunuera2601 Well I mean in the lion king it made sense. Without Timon and pumbaa, Simba would probably unalived himself. Disney didn't wanted to add the gargoyles but they were forced because this movie was nearly getting an Pg or an r rating. So they added the gargoyles
@@Simbala-bq5vy oh I completely agree. Timon& Pumba are ESSENTIAL
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Aw that honestly made my day! Thanks for watching it and giving me your thoughts, it means the world :) Working hard to hopefully make it big!
I started to watch Studios Ghilbli's movies since Princess Mononoke,which I consider my favorite movie that they made and I'm planning to watch the rest of the movies,but I think The Boy and The Heron will surpass Mononoke as my favorite Ghilbli movie,but let's find out
Princess Mononoke is incredible I agree. For me Howl's moving castle is slightly better but probably cause I love romance too haha. I wasn't a huge fan of the boy and the heron, you liked it a lot?
@@miguelmunuera2601 I didn't watch [Boy and The Heron] yet,but I sure love to see this movie
@@SpiritDetective06 let me know what you think when you watch it!
castle in the sky was my first one
This was a really good video. It really does make me feel bad that I never watched Ghibli stuff and I thought anime was cringe and bad. But when I made that leap into mature stories and beautiful animation I never regretted it.
Thanks a ton 🥹 I mean it's normal tbh I feel like so many people go through that phase, but it's awesome that you're more into it now!
I just dearly hope The Boy and the Heron has made Disney go back to the drawing board and have a good, long think about their story writing.
So do I. Maybe it did honestly
Princess Monoke and Nassica are some of my favorite films of all time
Great choices!!
I was literally raised with Studio Ghibli - as a child (I was born in 1975 in West Germany) I LOVED the animation series "Heidi". Made by Hayao Miyazaki. I also loved to watch Captain Future, Pinocchio, Wickie, Tao Tao and other japanese animation series. I also loved Disney, but the love for anime and especially Studio Ghibli became a constant in my life.
Amazing! Heidi must've been a beautiful series to grow up with
Great video! Wishing more recognition 🔥
Thanks!! I really appreciate it 🥹
I like both Anime and western animation.
Same, although I gotta say recently I've been preferring anime 👀
maybe Disney can recover if the execs just stopped forcing the animators to do it how they want it and let them cook and make a good movie Wish is a great example of that the same is happening with starters and marvel fire them now
I honestly am not sure if it's an animator issue. I really think it comes before that, when ideating and writing the story and dialogue and everything. It's just so bland sometimes..and wish is a great example of some good ideas but just badly executing in the writing imo :/ Execs just gotta let the whole creative team COOK
@@miguelmunuera2601 that's what I said
Kinda crazy how the boy and the heron was the first ever 2D movie I’ve seen in theaters, kinda weird stat
That is nuts but tbh there are so few 2D movies that come out in cinemas..it's sad
Disney makes movies for the money. Ghibli makes movies for the art. It’s a pretty clear difference
Bars 💯
i think what’s great about Ghibli is if Totoro was made by Disney it would be just two girls on an adventure in nature to find him and having a good time.
but with Ghibli, while there’s that essence of childlike wonder, it’s much more simple and life like. it’s exploring a realistic forest. the supernatural elements are so calm and not over the top but still feeling special. and there’s the sombreness to everything too. the mother being in the hospital and we see how that is a major factor to how both girls act in the film. it’s so much more whimsical, yet more nuanced than disney, all the while also being more laid back and relaxed which helps the more supernatural elements feel even more jaw dropping.
Beautifully written summary honestly. You're right that's exactly what makes the film 10x more beautiful
And there would be a song popping out of nowhere
I was halfway through this when I was absolutely blindsided that this channel doesn’t have at 1 million subscribers! This is such a great video, and you deserve so much more subs!
Wow thanks a ton!! Means so much to me 🥹 low-key this comment made my day haha
I grew up with ghibli so it’s awesome to see a grown person yap about it like I would to my friends but way more in depth:)
Hahaha I also grew up with it 😂 I'm glad you appreciate my yapping, this is me with my friends all the time too
@@miguelmunuera2601Haha, Miyazaki raised us all didn’t he:)
@@XArtisanHere literally hahah
It seems to me that rise in popularity of 3D movies was because it was smth new and Pixar was able to create innovative stories with it. Both 2D and 3D have its pros and cons. Big advantage of 2D is how good it is at showing quick movements precisely.
Yeah of course, it was an innovation at the time and everyone wanted to do it because it was 'new' and fancy, but now it's just overdone
Consistently good movies if we exclude: Tales of Earthsea, Ocean Waves and Earwig and the Witch.
Though we gotta remember that Isao and Miyazaki have always put out quality movies and those were not directed by them.
Yeah that's the thing. Earth sea and Earwig were both by Goro if I remember correctly. So really the directors that are most important have basically NEVER missed in Ghibli's history
Both had their charms yes in the last 10-15yrs Disney has gone down the gutter but you cant discard the legendary pieces of work Disney has produced with their own charm. You have to understand anime isnt trying to be disney nor disney ever aspired to be anime. Enjoy and appreciate both(and pixar)
Very true, important to enjoy all quality movies :)
All movies have a ‘moral of the story’, a lesson to teach the audience a certain thing.
With Disney, they mostly taught me to have high expectations of men (sorry).
Studio Ghibli however, teaches you about greed (Spirited away, parents turn into pigs), loss and gain, and other actual experiences you can learn from.
We are humans, and we make mistakes to learn from them. It doesn’t mean they have to be your own mistakes. Learn from others too.
Love that Disney taught you to have high expectations of men hahaha that's a great lesson! Never settle
This video has the quality of a a video made by a channel with with several orders of magnitude more subscribers, well done man
Thanks honestly, this comment legit made my night! :) Definitely gonna get there soon
I have watched and owned at one time or another all of Ghiblis' movies...and loved every last one of them...they are so well done, and the stories will make you laugh, cry, ponder what they mean to you.
Truly right in that. They will make you feel the whole spectrum of emotions that's what makes them great 🥹
Another poignant difference imo is how they treat their animated movies in conveying a message. Ghibli has a message in mind that in its opinion, the audience doesn't know or realize *yet*. It felt like Miyazaki was whacking us on the head by the end of the movie, saying "See? See? Look how important this is!"
Disney looks for popular discourses and then frantically tries to fit all those popular thoughts into a movie. "What is the latest hottest issue?" was what I felt they focused on during pitch meetings when I watched the latest big-budget disney movies.
That's a really good point. Miyazaki's messages are so subtle but so real, Disney just tried to hit you over the head with their messages and they do usually go for 'what's trendy' for sure
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Thanks!! Really appreciate the support 🥹 of course, going to continue to be consistent! 💪 Posting my next video this weekend :)
Rewatched when Marnie was there lots of times and will always get me soaked in my own tears😂
Hahaha I totally get it. That's one I actually haven't watched!!
Joe Hisaishi’s music is also a factor not to be forgotten! And of course, as many already mentioned, the complexity and depth of Ghibli movies is smth Disney is lacking more and more.
Very true. The GENIUS of Joe Hisaishi never ceases to amaze me. His music is one of my favourite things ever
A wonderful and thoughtful take on the topic! Thanks for the video.
Thank YOU for the awesome comment :)
Ghibli’s always been in a league of their own 😊
You're not lying haha
On a ghibli film binge, great vid.
also on a side note, you kinda sound suprisingly like professor viral (another video essay youtuber)
Thanks! Really appreciate it :) and damn I just watched one of his vids and I really hear the resemblance haha
A wish I always had was for Disney to make a fantasy musical inspired by Japanese culture with Hayao Miyazaki directing it. Hopefully the BATH winning at the Odcars inspires them to try harder with their storytelling.
That would be an absolute dream but I don't think it would be a good idea. They wouldn't give Hayao the creative freedom needed to make a great movie, there would be too much meddling by execs :/
@@miguelmunuera2601 Yeah, it seems Disney has had a lot of exec interference lately since "Frozen 2." IDK what's going on over there, but I hope they stop soon.
@@OpticalSorcerer yeah same..
9:24 There were other Ghibli movies/titles in that time. They just weren’t as good (like Earwig movie and Ronaj tv show both made by Miyazaki’s son Goro) and Miyazaki retired after Wind Rises in 2013. Although, with Heron, it seems he’s decided to continue making movies until he can’t anymore. I don’t know what the other directors in Studio Ghibli have been up to. Isao Takahata, Yoshifumi Kondō (died in 1998), Hiromasa Yonebayashi (went on to form Ponoc with Yoshiaki Nishimura who was also former Ghibli staff), Hiroyuki Morita, and Tomomi Mochizuki. Studio Ponoc was also made. Mary & The Witch’s flower came out of that studio. It was a studio that came from Ghibli staff. I think iirc Ghibli staff were also involved in the Hakumei to Mikochi tv show from 2017. Other titles have come out of Ghibli or other studios with Ghibli origins. The issue is many don’t compare to the best titles out of Ghibli.
You're absolutely right that there have been some misses in their history but very few, that's what's amazing about Ghibli as well. Despite having a catalogue of over 20 movies, 90% of them are absolutely incredible and timeless
i though people liked the ronaji show?
@@jskywalker58 I’ve heard good things about Ronaj show. Still, it’s hard to compare to the best titles out of Ghibli and pre-Ghibli catalog. The movies are also more well known and adored than other titles that fall into the tv show category or other categories.
Sadly, Isao Takahata died in 2018. Miyazaki reflects a lot on his death in The Boy and the Heron
@@shai_zeta That’s so sad! He will be missed.
They might be stubborn, but they don't fricken' miss. Lookin' at you, Nintendo.
Nintendo? 😂
I watched MrJarhead's video about half-life game series and as I watched this I was reminded of it.
"I Finally Understand the Heartbreak Behind Half-Life..."
Yeah... These things share so much. Are they the same?
Epics
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in general the perception of western audiences around animation being associated with cartoons for children has been changing drastically for the past 2 decades.
With western animation studios regressing instead of maturing their franchises with their audiences and creating new ones for younger audiences, they instead just kept remaking the same stories but with less care which alienated their older audiences and failed to attract enough new younger audiences.
Well said honestly, that's very true and sad
Have you thought about ranking your favourite Ghibli movies and sharing with us in your next video?
That would be awesome but idk if people would want to see that 🤔
Amazing video, really loved it!
Thanks !! Really glad you enjoyed it :)
great video. keep up the great work!
Thanks!! Trying to just stay consistent :)
Alogarithm led me here. What an awesome find! So happy to see 2D animation being given its flowers. There is something about hand drawn animation in general that really catches me off guard. It draws deeper emotions out of me and often takes my breath away. Top five 2D (as of late) are Kiki’s Delivery Service, My Neighbor Totoro, Prince of Egypt, Princess Mononoke, and Spirited Away. Princess Mononoke was my favorite Miyazaki film for many years (that soundtrack is still on replay), but as life goes on I’ve noticed Kiki’s Delivery Service and My Neighbor Totoro tend to make me cry the most (the depth of emotion the characters are feeling are so authentic in those films). Aladdin, Lion King, Iron Giant, and Enchanted (yes, I know I’m cheating) also hold special places in my heart. I also love many of Pixar’s early movies (Incredibles & Ratatouille in particular) and absolutely love the Spiderverse movies (they are just so thrilling and exhilarating), but if I rank entirely by the deeper emotions I’m feeling as I watch, 2D movies always seem to win. Subscribed 👍🏽
Love this comment! Thanks a ton :) That's such a good list of top 2D movies btw! Prince of Egypt is so underrated..and also if you like Pixar movies too my next video is actually Pixar v Disney 👀
@@miguelmunuera2601 wow, awesome! Looking forward to the video!
Another thing I appreciate about Ghibli is that they know how to convey or (sometimes more importantly) not convey emotions without overt expressions. With Disney, the characters are always maximally expressive with their faces and bodies, which may be interesting in terms of anatomical animation but can feel dumbing down in the sense of explicitly telling the audience exactly what every character is feeling. Ghibli makes great use of the environment as an emotional context, and they embrace creative ambiguities leaving the audience to interpret what the characters may be going through internally. While Disney films are each typically an over-engineered self-completing spectacle expecting the audience to be passive, Ghibli films each come with a space for you to join as a part of its emotional landscape. Where Disney uses music, Ghibli uses silence. Where Disney uses facial expressions, Ghibli uses the ambience. Silence and ambience, this spaciousness must be partly why Ghibli is better for many people at pulling them into its world.
Honestly this is one of the favourite comments I've ever gotten. I hadn't really realised this to this extent but now that you're saying it it's definitely true. The subtlety of Ghibli is something that adds so much weight and intrigue to the characters and story, which I do think Disney lacks most of the time. Beautifully said 🥹
Studio Ghibli is the best BECAUSE they are still working on 2D animation instead of 3D. I'm not saying that you can't create a good 3D movie, but something about 2D animations just *feels* like the creators actually put heart, passion and creativity in it. 3D animations always felt so cold and machinery to me.
Couldn't agree more 🥹 2D will always have a special place in my heart
Never thought I’d actually like anime... Crazy what your channel has done to me 😶
👀👀 I'm glad I've converted you hahaha
I like Studio Ghibli because it's not too dark to be rated something I can't watch, but it gives the story such a relatable feel when things aren't all kittens and rainbows. Disney cartoons are classics (not the latest crap) but Studio Ghibli is the only "anime" I can trust to watch because all of their films have such great meaning and are executed perfectly.
Very true. They are dark enough without going too overboard
@@miguelmunuera2601 Yep!
There is still something Disney does that Ghibli doesn't, and that's outsider stories. There's a reason so many people who've felt alone or ostracized have connected with Disney - Autism spectrum, disabled and LGBTQ people have connected with the characters, songs and stories because they express the pain and longing they've felt for being different, from Dumbo to Frozen. For all of Miyazaki's brilliance, his films just don't deal with the outsider's perspective.
That is very true. Disney's movies and stories are WAY more diverse culturally, whereas Ghibli really is focused on japanese and eastern culture. But I also think that can be a strength, cause Ghibli knows their core themes while Disney sometimes try to portray there cultures and it can backfire if not done properly
@@miguelmunuera2601 I'm not even talking about cultural diversity, I'm talking about characters dealing with the pain of being different from everyone around them like Ariel, Dumbo, Elsa, Quasimodo and many others.
I like ghibli's Whisper of the Heart
underrated movie, and yes, they make mature contents and sort of know audience can mature and not remain naive kids
Disney is opposite, it follows fairy tales and make family friendly content, its ok, but censors a lot of important messages that help mature us in life
Same! Whisper of the heart is beautiful, and kinda underrated for sure.
Personally I like the animation of Studio Ghibli, but I always preferred the more grounded stories such as Princess Mononoke and Arriety
Yeah 100%. The grounded nature of some of Ghibli's stories is amazing. Even movies like Whisper of the heart, or The Wind Rises are very grounded and beautiful
Everyone who likes anime has a moment where they realized the show/movie was treating them with respect, and thats what separated it from western cartoons.
Very interesting way of seeing it!
in the East anime have no social pressures adults can like anime. this allows studios like Ghibli to write more complex stories.
That's very true. It's a genre that doesn't have an age association, which is awesome
i think its bc our generation has a very strong craving for nostalgia
So what's your conclusion because of that?
There are so many non-Ghibli anime films that should have won best animated movie since the early 2000's that i just dont care anymore about the Oscars.
Honestly fair. The Oscars have fucked up SO MANY TIMES
I think its not just complexity for the sake of appealing to older audience, rather they dont insult the intelligence of children by bubble wrapping mature themes. I agree with Tolkien, that Disney dumps down classic children's stories to be void of any deeper meaning ever since the first days.
Yeah they've dumbed things down a LOT
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I grew up on studio Ghibli. I will always love all of these movies
They hold a special place in our hearts ♥️
I KNEW I RECOGNISED THE ART STYLE OF GHIBLI SOMEWHERE, They did the art style for Ni No Kuni Wrath of the white witch, one of the best games I have ever played
Oh wait really?? They worked on a game??
@@miguelmunuera2601 Yeah, it's called Ni No Kuni Wrath of the white witch, it originally came out on I think the PS3 but has since moved to the Xbox and PC, really good game I recommend playing it if you like the Ghibli stuff and games with the RPG feel and Pokemon Feel and Magical Feel
The beauty auf Ghibli movies is, regardless of what age you are, or when the movie came out, you can watch them and be amazed.
With Disney movies that's a whole different story, a lot of movies you'd cringe to watch these day's, weither its cultural missteps/inappropriate or just flat out wrong, cringing about how misogynistic some of them are or what voice actors disney chose that we now know did horrible things to other people. I will never be able to watch Finding Nemo without thinking about the horrible stories people have shared about Ellen, but even when Ghibli casts big movie stars as VA's it's not a big thing for the marketing, like it's just a "yeah they can act lets take them" more than a "ohh we gotta get this one this person will sell our movie".
Very true..and sad tbh
Hi, very good video. While that is true that you said that some cartoons has serious and thought provoking stories, Disney did make me felt depressed. It can be depressing and not always happy. I remembered when I was a kid, I was feeling a little sad or depressed after watching a Disney film ? I wasn't sure why lol. Even though Mulan ended up having a happy ending, I felt depressed. Maybe because it was sad of what mulan was going through even though it was a happy ending. Even though Lion King had a happy ending, I felt depressed. Same thing happened to my sister. Now that I'm older. I was hurt again by the mufasa ghost scene when simba said please don't leave me while the ghost was disappearing into the sky. It hurts because my mom passed away and later when I lost someone again, I cried during princess and the frog at the Rays Funeral scene. Also do you remember Air bud ? the scene where Josh had to leave buddy. No matter how many times I seen it, its still so heartbreaking. Also I seen Spirited away once when I was a kid and it was a cool movie. I like animations. Athough Bambi 1 and 2 was depressing. 😢 but I really like their songs. Disney songs are very catchy and I like how some of the characters sing with their heads. Not always out loud. Kiara and kovu sang with their heads and scamp and angel did the same thing. My favorite song from Lady and the Tramp 2 is "always there." But good job on this video 👏
Thank you for this amazing comment :) I'm so sorry for your losses and I totally understand why those movies would make you feel that way. They are definitely sad scenes but also beautiful in that sense I think.
But you're right the songs are amazing!!
@@miguelmunuera2601 Aww thank you for understanding. You're welcome. I guess Disney sometimes help me to grieve properly and it help me felt better too. Lion King and Princess and the frog is what I watched when I was grieving. I also collect the old Disney classics on DVD's. I also have the Disney plush toys.
@@miguelmunuera2601 yay! I love their songs!
Mononoke.... maybe not the first anime I enjoyed, but the one that made me look for more
It's one of those movies that just really blows you away honestly
This is a amazing video and topic I didn’t know I needed.
That's honestly such a nice compliment haha I'll take it thanks :)
2d will always be my true love especially ghibli works
Same honestly 🥹
Hmm...
I see a lot of anime 2D purist in these comments and video.
Don't mistake me. I have watched anime since it came to the states as well as Western anime to this day. I jist watched the movie Suzume today and really enjoyed it so I'm not someone hating on 2D or anime. I'm also very happy The Boy and the Heron won. Truly.
With that said, I get tired of the whole 2D is more authentic and 3D is "soulless." I get the allure of 2D and how it can create this lind of energy whoch is why i kostly like CG eoth some 2D elements.
I feel like with programs like Blender, CG animation is a LOT more versatile than plain 2D. You can have the expressiveness of 2D whike having the lighting, camera control, and dynamicisn of 3D. You also get more depth.
There are some really cool things people are doing with 3D like Quilk animations in VR. They still capture that 2D animated feeling too while having depth. It is really cool, imo.
I am seeing more and more 2D and 3D animation merging into more 2.5D. Both East and West.
Yeah 100%. I think there can be so much done in CG that is awesome but most studios haven't really pushed the boundaries of the technology. Thankfully now we're getting much more experimentation which should be awesome to watch!
As it should. Everytime I meet someone who watches Ghibli movies I start on this giant tangent about how good it is.
Same 😅😂
Really loved the way you explained the two sides of these companies and their contracts, you are very well spoken. I, as many people grew up with Ghibli, and ironic as it seems, Ghibli's wise way of telling stories left a far bigger mark on my learning childhood than Disney ever could. Although Disney targets the younger audience which lowers their story complexity for people like kids to understand, it decreased the value it had on my learning experience as a kid. I love Disney don't get me wrong, but Ghibli just do it better.
Thanks honestly that's an awesome compliment :) Yeah I totally understand what you mean. Ghibli's stories just hit you so much harder
I get this video is focused on miyazaki and its a great video at that, but when we are talking about the studio lets not forget the other masters working at studio ghibli.
You're right. I should've mentioned the greatness of Takahata at least, amazing director
I grew up watching ghibli movies
Same 🥹
Carefully crafted, multi layered, intelligent actually thought-provoking, genuine pieces of art versus more of the same soulless corporate slop “content” that is there to push but one overarching message: DEI GOOD. Its like Night and day and cant even be compared
Miyazaki is a true artist, everyone at Disney is nothing but a cog in a machine TRYING (very important since rn they are failing pretty much) to maximize profits
Unfortunately that's true at the moment. I want a world where Disney and Ghibli are both focusing on producing beautifully crafted, mature, creative stories