Yeah, they were not independent on the 8N, so even in neutral they are live and moving. Was one of the first things I was warned about as a kid. I learned to drive on our 8N.
PTO has to be on to work the lift. No live lift on the N tractors. Only bad thing about them. Makes bush hogging harder when close to objects. The bush hog pushes the tractor until it coasts to a stop with the clutch disengaged. I think I am right about that. I dont have a 8N, but that is my understanding.
We've had our 1948 8N tractor since new. I found this accessory in my parent's garage but never knew what it was for. Thanks for sharing this video. I only wish you would have shown closer details, such as where exactly the front bar is placed
this was a dealer shop tool i worked for a very old ford tractor dealership in the 70s and it had 2 of these the shop foreman was close to retirement age and told me . the 8n, 2n and 9n tractors had brake and rear axle service problems. and the shop did use them for painting tractors. the dealership also sold tires. a service truck would take one of these and a 2 man crew would change the tires or fix a flat on site.
This is an early 8n. The PTO has to be engaged to run the hydraulic pump. I still don't like working around a spinning PTO. Turn the engine off until you have the jack in position.
one of these would have been handy for painting my jubilee. lift it up evenly and steadily with the draft links instead of running in circles with 4 jacks and 4 jack stands.
I just bought an old 8n and was digging around in the videos. What a cool gadget to lift the tractor. Not so sure I couldn't get a floor jack and some jack stands in place in about the same amount of time, but a cool idea nonetheless.
A thunderstorm was coming up when I was bidding on a bench grinder and stand I wanted. Teh auctioneer put this in with it to get done sooner. For the longest time I did not know what it was until recently. So, I have this jack but no 8N. I wonder if it would work on a Fordson Dexta? I sorta, kinda always wanted a 8N tractor. Might buy one that has been fixed up.
Regardless of if the PTO needs to be engaged or not you could always put the PTO cover on while hooking up. Better yet just shut the tractor off until the jack is installed.
pto cover couldn't be installed due to a over-running clutch installed (device that allows pto devices to run faster than the pto output on the tractor, so it doesn't drive you into a fence when you need to stop...)
Hi Richard, I keep watching to try and get the dimensions so that I can make one, but I need to see photos of the end where the arms come up to the axle. I can't figure out how to send you an email. Terry
Make sure you know what you're talking about before you post info like you're an authority. The PTO is what powers the hydro pump on the Fords using the Ferguson system. The Fergies were the same until the 35's. The Ford Jubilee (NAA) used a live hydro system, and the PTO did not drive the pump, but was driven directly by the engine.
@@isaacwegner6714 No ones fired up or otherwise to be a reason for needing to calm down, you total moron... there's no exclamation points, no all capital letters, and I even said "thank you". So anyone who doesn't have their head up their butt and not in the dark like you can easily youre the one who needs to calm down
I don't know that I would trust my life under there. May that good untill you can put some jack stands under it. that would be good. And sure beat the heck out of pulling out the old 4x4 stacks of wood and floor jack.
I live in commerce area,I just bought a 1952 8n ford,does the lifter need to be adjusted to work (lift ) properly,seems like it needs to be ajusted or the hidraulic is mess up??
everyone is freaking out about a damn 10 inch long PTO.......its not like theres a brushhog hooked up......just mind where you place your hands like you should be doing while around any equipment and youll be fine
the PTO has to be on for the 3 point hitch to be powered with these tractors... if you aren't a complete idiot, this will work just fine without getting anyone hurt. See this works on the basis of 1950's safety measures. "If you're stupid enough to stick your hand in there, you deserve to lose it!"
The cry baby "OH THE PTO!!!" comments on here is why we need to bring back shop class. Like all of these no tractor having city living keyboard warriors are going to teach something to these men who GREW UP on these tractors!! Ugh... And... do y'all realize this video is (at the time of this comment) almost 12 years old?!? Cool jack. Love the 8n.
I have a chance to buy one of these but hesitate because If using this to actually Change a Tire or work on the tractor brakes etc. , wouldn't the weight shift when you remove one wheel and cause it to be very unstable? I love the mechanics and think it's an ingenius device but not convinced it is safe, especially on soft ground.
They actually made (optional) mud guards for use on soft ground.. I have used mine to take tires off. Never use on loader tires and hydraulic must be in good shape. Leak down with tires off could be a problem
have never added jack stands to mine, you could try but the frame might be in the way. You could run a chain from the end of the end of the three pt arms thru where your top link would connect once the unit is up. A friend does it all the time when painting a tractor, has left them up with no wheels on for months. You can email me at Kirk641@embarqmail.com and I can send you a photo of what I am talking about. Also see my youtube video on the ferguson 3pt jack. I would also strongly suggest you use a pto cap when using this unit.
See my video on the ford dearborn ferguson 3pt jack where I actually show tire removal. It is not unstable. I have never used the 3pt jack with loaded tire although I still don't see a problem. I think the key is to have the tires just about off the ground so if the weight did shift because of soft ground and loaded tires it still won't be unstable because the tire will come in contact with the ground
While the PTO has to be engaged to run the hydraulic pump, it does NOT have to be on - nor does the engine need to be running - to attach implements. Wow.
The tractor must be running for the hydraulic pump to lift, in order for the pump to work,the PTO must be engaged...do you stick your hand in the fan blade?wow,indeed.
There’s not a ford “N” series on the planet that came with “Live PTO.” However, the Jubilee/NAA had live hydraulics. Live PTO came around in the mid-50s 601-901 series tractors.
@@Tactical_Arborist_1776 since writing that comment (3 years ago) I have bought my own 8n haha! Rebuilt hydraulic pump, and transmission already. So I know all about what goes on under that seat 😂
As confirmed by other comments, I think it is quite foolish to get any clothing (shirt or coat sleeves) anywhere near the PTO shaft. It could very easily remove part or all of your arm if it got snagged in it!
Looks like too much work, and not too stable. I would feel safer with a floor jack, and jack stands especially when I am working alone. Also the floor jack can be used on other equipment, and vehicles. Thanks and be safe.
I don’t get the point of it. I could have had it I jack stands just as fast and it would have been safely in the air. It’s not like your going to trust that thing enough to keep it in the air. I guess it just shows what people can do to waste time rather than do something productive. Nice ford though
Be nice when patching a tube or flipping the wheels to change the rear track . These also had track systems to use in snow , be handy for putting one on . My great grandfather had a Jubilee ,the steel wheels killed him when he accidentally started it in gear and got ran over. These old tractors are easy to mess up on . Alot of people have got hurt with them . Most would have been fine if being safe though. Never play wirh a tractor, always work it .
All that time and work to build that little jack when a hydraulic jack and some jack stand would have done the just as fast and safer. Also a running PTO shaft, not covered.........very very unsafe.
8n lift capacity 800 lbs, 8n weight 2500 to 3000lbs, common issue with 8n's? Notoriously bleed down........see where I'm going with this? You could have had it on jack stands faster with a bottle Jack than it took you to hook all that up.
This jack is only good for making the wheels wider! If you have one of these jacks do not get under this tractor! Put proper jackstands under the tractor and cut the tractor off! This thing looks like a deathtrap!
Absolutely agree. Anyone who leaves the seat of a tractor with the PTO spinning is looking for trouble. And a big medical bill. And a lifetime explaining why their arm/hand got ripped off. NEVER leave the seat of a tractor with the PTO spinning...
@@steverichards5294 hydraulics don't work on these without it running and the PTO not ingaged.farmers used these for many years..do you get your hand caught in the fan blade when it's running?
caleb: you have no business running or owning a tractor if you can't be around a spinning pto. Have you ever seen a silage blower with the drive shaft in the open? Seriously if you have a shirt long and sleeves open and get it on the pto you will have your arms ripped off. Have you never seen the work requirements around a lathe? Some people should never own power equipment they aren't mentally prepared to be of much use in the ag or industrial or logging world. People like Caleb would put a guard on a chainsaw blade making it useless.
@@ICOWBOYIM ok! Do you understand my comment? I'm not complaining about the pto running. I'm stating that it must be engaged to run the hydraulic pump.
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That rotating shaft will grab you in a second, I had goose bumps just watching it.
Yeah, they were not independent on the 8N, so even in neutral they are live and moving. Was one of the first things I was warned about as a kid. I learned to drive on our 8N.
What the hell dumbass
Nothing like safety first. Motor running check, pto engaged check, wheels not chocked check.
Kevin Whitbeck safety 3rd. Danger and excitement 1st and 2nd
I thought the same thing. Unbelievably stupid.
Kevin Whitbeck yep
- Wouldn't do much good to chock wheels that are coming off the ground.
- AND, I believe that model Ford has to have the pto engaged to operate the power lift.
Nice 8N! I've seen pictures and read about this jack but never seen one in action before. Thanks for posting this!
- I remember my Dad using one of these jacks to widen the wheels on the farm 8N in 1949.
Perfect add for why people loose arms around tractors
i've come across several of these jacks on ebay but i never understood how they worked. Thanks for posting a great video!
Never seen that one before. Thanks for sharing.
I have one of these 'Ford jacks' my Great Uncle got with his 8N.
Be careful of that pto shaft!
PTO has to be on to work the lift. No live lift on the N tractors. Only bad thing about them. Makes bush hogging harder when close to objects. The bush hog pushes the tractor until it coasts to a stop with the clutch disengaged. I think I am right about that. I dont have a 8N, but that is my understanding.
PTO aint got to be on to install the jack. Also a cap exists for the PTO but hey Darwin needs his data points, so...
@@groundhog7652 They make an overrunning clutch to put on the PTO so you can stop
i've never seen such a thing. cool vid.
thats cool...i'm thinking of restoring a 52' 8n tractor...that's a cool jack...thanks for sharing!
We've had our 1948 8N tractor since new. I found this accessory in my parent's garage but never knew what it was for. Thanks for sharing this video. I only wish you would have shown closer details, such as where exactly the front bar is placed
I could sure use one now. Changing fluids.
this was a dealer shop tool i worked for a very old ford tractor dealership in the 70s and it had 2 of these the shop foreman was close to retirement age and told me . the 8n, 2n and 9n tractors had brake and rear axle service problems. and the shop did use them for painting tractors. the dealership also sold tires. a service truck would take one of these and a 2 man crew would change the tires or fix a flat on site.
There's a 1950 Ferguson Tractor promotional video on youtube showing the same system. Simple and efficient.
That's pretty cool never seen that before
Wish I had that yrs ago
Great job
That is so cool!!
8n is a good tractor
Wow that is quite interesting I've never seen one of these
This is an early 8n. The PTO has to be engaged to run the hydraulic pump. I still don't like working around a spinning PTO. Turn the engine off until you have the jack in position.
I bought a 1951 8n, no n series came with live hydraulics, they are all pto driven...
Please don’t ever get under a tractor with the motor running and no wheel chocks.
Worked with all the little fords, ford-ferguson, fordson, ferguson
Too cool!!
one of these would have been handy for painting my jubilee. lift it up evenly and steadily with the draft links instead of running in circles with 4 jacks and 4 jack stands.
Tristan102100
I just bought an old 8n and was digging around in the videos. What a cool gadget to lift the tractor. Not so sure I couldn't get a floor jack and some jack stands in place in about the same amount of time, but a cool idea nonetheless.
I know several one arm guys and a couple leg less and a few dead ones that got hung in running PTO
Yes, I am aware that the PTO is ON and that it is not a good idea. Thank you
A thunderstorm was coming up when I was bidding on a bench grinder and stand I wanted. Teh auctioneer put this in with it to get done sooner. For the longest time I did not know what it was until recently. So, I have this jack but no 8N. I wonder if it would work on a Fordson Dexta? I sorta, kinda always wanted a 8N tractor. Might buy one that has been fixed up.
Regardless of if the PTO needs to be engaged or not you could always put the PTO cover on while hooking up. Better yet just shut the tractor off until the jack is installed.
pto cover couldn't be installed due to a over-running clutch installed (device that allows pto devices to run faster than the pto output on the tractor, so it doesn't drive you into a fence when you need to stop...)
why are you behind the tractor with the pto engaged????
Hi Richard,
I keep watching to try and get the dimensions so that I can make one, but I need to see photos of the end where the arms come up to the axle. I can't figure out how to send you an email.
Terry
Make sure you know what you're talking about before you post info like you're an authority. The PTO is what powers the hydro pump on the Fords using the Ferguson system. The Fergies were the same until the 35's. The Ford Jubilee (NAA) used a live hydro system, and the PTO did not drive the pump, but was driven directly by the engine.
Please provide detailed pictures/video of the jack itself and provide measurements so that others like me and my husband can fabricate one. Thank you
Calm down
@@isaacwegner6714
No ones fired up or otherwise to be a reason for needing to calm down, you total moron... there's no exclamation points, no all capital letters, and I even said "thank you".
So anyone who doesn't have their head up their butt and not in the dark like you can easily youre the one who needs to calm down
I don't know that I would trust my life under there. May that good untill you can put some jack stands under it. that would be good. And sure beat the heck out of pulling out the old 4x4 stacks of wood and floor jack.
I live in commerce area,I just bought a 1952 8n ford,does the lifter need to be adjusted to work (lift ) properly,seems like it needs to be ajusted or the hidraulic is mess up??
everyone is freaking out about a damn 10 inch long PTO.......its not like theres a brushhog hooked up......just mind where you place your hands like you should be doing while around any equipment and youll be fine
City chickens,love to freak out.... they'd crap themselves if they knew that every teenage boy ran a buzz saw off a PTO back then cutting firewood.
the PTO has to be on for the 3 point hitch to be powered with these tractors... if you aren't a complete idiot, this will work just fine without getting anyone hurt.
See this works on the basis of 1950's safety measures. "If you're stupid enough to stick your hand in there, you deserve to lose it!"
The cry baby "OH THE PTO!!!" comments on here is why we need to bring back shop class. Like all of these no tractor having city living keyboard warriors are going to teach something to these men who GREW UP on these tractors!! Ugh... And... do y'all realize this video is (at the time of this comment) almost 12 years old?!?
Cool jack. Love the 8n.
Can you buy some kind of aftermarket guard that will cover the overunning pto adapter?
Ford had a threaded pto cap to use when plowing or not using the pto shaft .
Where did you get the jack, I have a 8n and I would like to have one to jack up my tractor
be more than happy to provide any more video/info you need. just shoot me an email.
with the ford n tractors either the pto or the transmission has to be engaged to spin the hydraulic pump
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the 8n did have live ptthat came later
Can I buy this jack somewhere?
I have a chance to buy one of these but hesitate because If using this to actually Change a Tire or work on the tractor brakes etc. , wouldn't the weight shift when you remove one wheel and cause it to be very unstable? I love the mechanics and think it's an ingenius device but not convinced it is safe, especially on soft ground.
They actually made (optional) mud guards for use on soft ground.. I have used mine to take tires off. Never use on loader tires and hydraulic must be in good shape. Leak down with tires off could be a problem
Could you add jack stands once it was elevated?
have never added jack stands to mine, you could try but the frame might be in the way. You could run a chain from the end of the end of the three pt arms thru where your top link would connect once the unit is up. A friend does it all the time when painting a tractor, has left them up with no wheels on for months. You can email me at Kirk641@embarqmail.com and I can send you a photo of what I am talking about. Also see my youtube video on the ferguson 3pt jack. I would also strongly suggest you use a pto cap when using this unit.
See my video on the ford dearborn ferguson 3pt jack where I actually show tire removal. It is not unstable. I have never used the 3pt jack with loaded tire although I still don't see a problem. I think the key is to have the tires just about off the ground so if the weight did shift because of soft ground and loaded tires it still won't be unstable because the tire will come in contact with the ground
While the PTO has to be engaged to run the hydraulic pump, it does NOT have to be on - nor does the engine need to be running - to attach implements. Wow.
The tractor must be running for the hydraulic pump to lift, in order for the pump to work,the PTO must be engaged...do you stick your hand in the fan blade?wow,indeed.
Put a foam noodle over that PTO, that looks so dangerous
that's away different kind of 8n than I have then. Where do you get the live pto version cause mine sure aint lol
there are two levers under seat, not sure which does what but my grandpa says dont touch them
It does not have live PTO.
There’s not a ford “N” series on the planet that came with “Live PTO.”
However, the Jubilee/NAA had live hydraulics. Live PTO came around in the mid-50s 601-901 series tractors.
@@Jacobsen-ij9hn one was to engage and disengage the pto and the other was "draft control" for the lift arms.
@@Tactical_Arborist_1776 since writing that comment (3 years ago) I have bought my own 8n haha! Rebuilt hydraulic pump, and transmission already. So I know all about what goes on under that seat 😂
As confirmed by other comments, I think it is quite foolish to get any clothing (shirt or coat sleeves) anywhere near the PTO shaft. It could very easily remove part or all of your arm if it got snagged in it!
Do you know what the name of this accessory is?
The accessory's name is Jack. Some call him Jackson, and others call him Cracker. His real name is John, but everyone knows him as Jack.
if you shut off the 8n will the lift come back down on the ground?
not if your hydraulics are in good shape.
@@kirk-nj6344 Never saw an 8N but what the hydraulics always bled down.
@@Machi74005 they have a new piston o-ring leather ring seal. It will stay up all day changing out the old piston metal ring type.
i got 6 of them for my 5 tractor
Looks like too much work, and not too stable. I would feel safer with a floor jack, and jack stands especially when I am working alone. Also the floor jack can be used on other equipment, and vehicles. Thanks and be safe.
Can't use a floor jack and stands out in the plowed feild changing an inner tube...that's why they were built..
I’m sure it has its uses but I agree with you it looks like a deathtrap!
whys the PTO on?
The hydraulics don't work without it being on
I don’t get the point of it. I could have had it I jack stands just as fast and it would have been safely in the air. It’s not like your going to trust that thing enough to keep it in the air. I guess it just shows what people can do to waste time rather than do something productive. Nice ford though
Be nice when patching a tube or flipping the wheels to change the rear track . These also had track systems to use in snow , be handy for putting one on . My great grandfather had a Jubilee ,the steel wheels killed him when he accidentally started it in gear and got ran over. These old tractors are easy to mess up on . Alot of people have got hurt with them . Most would have been fine if being safe though. Never play wirh a tractor, always work it .
I get all my parts from Lewis Equipment in Paris Texas - you can reach them at 903-739-8828
All that time and work to build that little jack when a hydraulic jack and some jack stand would have done the just as fast and safer. Also a running PTO shaft, not covered.........very very unsafe.
8n lift capacity 800 lbs, 8n weight 2500 to 3000lbs, common issue with 8n's? Notoriously bleed down........see where I'm going with this?
You could have had it on jack stands faster with a bottle Jack than it took you to hook all that up.
This jack is only good for making the wheels wider! If you have one of these jacks do not get under this tractor! Put proper jackstands under the tractor and cut the tractor off! This thing looks like a deathtrap!
Not much on brains for doing that with the unit running and the p.t.o. shaft right there to grab you.
Loose clothing and engaged pto. Luckily, it wasn’t an incredibly gruesome video.
Turn that tractor off while working right beside a spinning PTO.
Not to smart being around a spinning pto.
the hydraulics only work if the pto is on
Yikes turn off that pto
Seriously? Working next to a turning PTO? No, thanks.
Absolutely agree. Anyone who leaves the seat of a tractor with the PTO spinning is looking for trouble. And a big medical bill. And a lifetime explaining why their arm/hand got ripped off. NEVER leave the seat of a tractor with the PTO spinning...
The hydraulics only work of the pto is on
If your stupid enough to stick your hand into the pto while it's spinning that is your problem
@@steverichards5294 hydraulics don't work on these without it running and the PTO not ingaged.farmers used these for many years..do you get your hand caught in the fan blade when it's running?
caleb: you have no business running or owning a tractor if you can't be around a spinning pto. Have you ever seen a silage blower with the drive shaft in the open? Seriously if you have a shirt long and sleeves open and get it on the pto you will have your arms ripped off. Have you never seen the work requirements around a lathe? Some people should never own power equipment they aren't mentally prepared to be of much use in the ag or industrial or logging world. People like Caleb would put a guard on a chainsaw blade making it useless.
Jesus Christ turn off the PTO , that's lunacy man
The pto drives the lift pump. He has to have it running to run the hydraulics. No live power.
@@jeremyc3431 They make a guard to cover the pto shaft to be safe.
Maybe that's how he lost his hair and got scalped, lol!
@@ICOWBOYIM ok! Do you understand my comment? I'm not complaining about the pto running. I'm stating that it must be engaged to run the hydraulic pump.
@@jeremyc3431 👍
Maybe you should shutt the PTO down first.....you almost DRILLED a hole through your Head.
3 point and PTO work together on an 8n.
Please for the love of god stop bieng lazy and shut the pto off, it will cash your check sooner or later.