I did a reinstall of Windows then installed MSFS. All my controller presets from my previous MSFS install were present, so it looks to me that they’re stored in the cloud. Thanks for all your great content. Keep it coming!
It seems to me that absolutely anything having to do with MSFS 2020 is overly complicated. While I very much appreciate your video, it's mostly Greek to me. I'm 78 yrs old and a couple of years ago I thought that I had pretty much kept up with the increasingly complex issues with Flight Simulator. I now realize that I don't have a damn clue. My copy of MSFS 2020 is, at the moment, useless. I definitely need to uninstall and reinstall from the microsoft store but it seems my copy is seriously corrupted. Asobo really needs to address the update issues. None of us should have to experience the frustration that seems to be inherent in the app.
AND HOW!! Boy, do I agree with this. After this latest mandatory update, I have only intermittent Internet connection; then during take off the throttle goes to zero no matter what i do the plane crashes. I do not know how to check whether I need to reinstall Win10. Or reinstall the entire msfs2020 package. Microsoft should issue an official document "How to reinstall Win10 and MSFS2020." Does the general public realize what a total, abysmal, failure MSFS2020 has been for many of us? Probably not. So MSFT continues to ignore us.
It’s really not all that complicated once you have it running… it isn’t very clear about how to uninstall it but hopefully that’s not something that needs to be done often. I do wish they would find a way to reduce the installation size after installation, that’s the most annoying part.
I completely hear you, fishman211. After over a decade tweaking, installing, and tweaking some more with FSX, I finally had the thing running as perfectly as I could. I understood how the simulator reacted with third party add-ons. I was the one making changes to the sim. Now there's a completely different mindset. Of course, it's all about money. MS doesn't want to leave a dime on the table if they can put it in their pocket. Gates was not happy seeing how everyone else was making good money off "his"software. This new approach is designed for making sure he got his cut. Plain and simple. I'm not a "gamer", I never will be. (Although, I will admit having a bit of an obsession with Tetris and Mario Brothers on Nintendo 64 back in the '90s.) Gaming is too juvenile for me. But a good flight sim develops real-world, entertainment and education, not a fantasy designed to pollute the minds of our youth. It was the stunning, real-world visuals that enticed me to try MSFS 2020. I'm going to keep at it until they get it right, or I do. I will always have my trusty FSX sitting on my SSD, waiting for my return. I fear for the well-being of my grandchildren. And, GET OFF MY LAWN !!!
I did a fresh install as well with the latest update. One thing I would mention to folks considering this...if you've saved custom cameras for some or all of the planes you fly frequently I would definitely backup the cameras folder first at ...\Users\XXXX\AppData\Local\Packages\Microsoft.FlightSimulator_8wekyb3d8bbwe\LocalCache\SimObjects\Airplanes. I forgot this one and it was real pain to go back and recreate all of them. Now it's on my list of folders to back up periodically just in case. Happy flying!
I've found that the DPI scaling by the application option is by far the most effective way to normalize performance for me. Switching that on and off makes a massive difference. 3900x, 2080ti, 64 gb RAM...
Regarding FPS, _you_ might not need it, but we’re not all wired the same and low FPS does make some people legitimately nauseous, I used to believe everyone got migraines and felt sick from gaming until I chased framerate, now those days are in the past, I can blow a weekend in any game and be as fresh as a daisy now, unless I play a game locked at 30, and if I do, I can feel the migraine starting within an hour, like the old days! I’ll also add that part of chasing FPS is eliminating macro and micro stutters. in fact, it’s where you start and you don’t try to improve the number of frames per second until they are eliminated entirely. Most people happily stop there. I defy anyone to enjoy the game just as much with macro stutters periodically, as without, quite simply if you claim it, I wouldn’t believe you. The biggest problem I find is most people just try to brute force it with expensive graphics cards and wonder why they don’t get crisp smooth visuals. Expensive gear is for higher fidelity, not smooth frames. I get 120 in msfs with a 2080. Not even the super. All cards can be smooth, within their capabilities. Do I have chimneys showing on houses in the distance? No. But I value smoothness and lack of migraines more than graphics.
Good video. Looks like I’ll be doing a re-install tonight. Good to see a setup very similar to mine shine like this. Keep up the good work! Happy flying!
Just did this as I got a new SSD for FS. Every single time I uninstall and reinstall my sim gets better. That is to say what I want is what I have and less things I don't use. Currently I'm flying as a 1935 airline and it makes my life much easier.
First of all I think upfront you should have made the disclaimer that your MSFS2020 is NOT a Steam version!! This would have eliminated everyone like me who does have the Steam version!! As the uninstall, reinstall and file placements on the Steam version are completely different!! Thanks for doing the video for those who don’t have the Steam version of MSFS2020!!
After Sim Update 10 I had major performance issues in VR. I tried all the fix videos I could find and nothing worked. Along came Sim Update 11 and no improvement. In the end I tried the uninstall and reinstall. Fixed it! Clearly the update process isn't always very clean. I'm an IT consultant so I'd spot if I'd done something wrong, so clearly this was Microsoft bugs under the hood with the updater. However it was worth it, I'm now enjoying DLSS in VR immensely, it's like a new sim all over again. Thanks OverKill! They just need to sort out the damn A310, it's completely unstable.
Your control settings are definitely from cloud storage, because all my settings were all available to me when I migrated from one machine to another: there is no way they could have transferred across because I didn't backup any game save or flight fiiles from the old machine to transfer to the new one
Mike, you are just the best FS2020 tutor I know of. Your videos are always highly informative and delivered in an entertaining manner. Great work and look forward to seeing the next one.
@ Overkill: Assuming you installed the roadmap data for the Working title G3000, then FS can take several minutes to shut down, when you did a flight using the G3000. Says so in the docs too.
Additionally, I always kill the oculus apps before I launch. I haven't tried renaming that one yet (steamVR rename helped), but that running while i'm doing a screen flight was killing it. Another video I watched: he turned his screen refresh rate to 60mhz and turned on low latency mode in nvidia control panel. In MSFS, he put v-sync on at 30fps and wow. That did wonders for mine as well, never seen it look so good between that trick and disabling steamVR. Cheers!
Thanks OverKill. I have been trying to install this hot mess since day 1. At least 8-10 times. Clean uninstall etc. I completely gave up about 1 year ago. and did another uninstall. GUESS WHAT, thanks to you, I looked in roaming and there was 118 gig of uninstalled data. WTH? Maybe that has been my problem. How could this happen? Oh, nevermind, its a MIcrosoft associated product.
Would you say it's possible that having steam VR running in the background trying to start up could be affecting my Oculus Link/MSFS performance? You said in that video that those didn't affect VR performance but I assume Steam VR would hurt Oculus Link no?
The windows registry is one of the stupidest things that windows has. It’s a nightmare to deal with, it almost always causes some undetectable issues, and it has no obvious purpose.
I purchased a new 1Tb NVME just for MSFS. After the first installation, which I purchased from the store, I had all kinds of problems, especially when attempting to add third party addons. I had two sets of community folders and store folders. Neither was compatible with the other. So, my plan now is to format the NVME and start over again. One thing I've noticed, when MS does an update, they quite often rearrange the file structure and content. This makes watching a video from 2020 or 2021 quite confusing when you've got a 2022 version installed on your computer. So, watcher beware. I wish MS had made MSFS 2020 available as a stand-alone product, instead of integrating it into their "gaming" universe. A true flight simulator should never be confused with a "game". There's a whole lot of "MANDATORY" going on in the world today. FSX and P3D never had "mandatory". YOU could decide how to modify your sim.
Install size shows 110GB in packages>official. I did not do a fresh install since i never had problems with addons and crashes. In my view most of the OUTSIDE the game settings are snake oil tweaks. Performance drops are close to landing/airport, since this/last update. Other than that not much has changed.
I'm done with MSFS. Still crashes when I plug in my USB controller. Bad flight physics. Annoying from A to Z. Back to X-Plane. Might not look as beautiful, but runs stable.
@@GJLCreativeStudios Yes. I created a copy on one of my SSDs before the re-install. If you don't, the Community folder will delete itself as soon as you authorize the re-install. Also do this every time there's an update. Empty it out, update, start the sim, close, then add the files back to the folder.
In your flight test section. my best guess is that It remembers your settings. I have MSFS2020 installed on 2 different machines with 2 different settings altogether. Now how I know this is because when I setup on my second machine (for the first time on a new NVME.2) It gave me an option if I wanted to use settings from system x on system y. I have used this uninstall/ re-install routine all the time. You got rid of it all. I also use REVO uninstaller for those pesky files that do not want to get deleted. Great job as always.
Gonna do a reinstall tonight ... jacked my system installing bravo Quadrant software blew away all of my settings and went back to square 1 last night... I just shut it off and wet to bed .... I have a task in front of me .... could NOT find my Community folder ... was hidden .... should have just let it alone until I found and backed it up first ....OUCH ...m.2 2 Tb nvme x570 5950x 6950x nzxt aio .... new build took some weeks to gather up all the hardware installed gonna try to do a clean install and cross my fingers
I am having several issues after update four. Four out of five loading would crash. Tried and normal uninstall, reinstall, kept getting errors. Finally got it to install but still crashing. Tonight did a complete uninstall as you did here, deleted everything. Reinstall went good. Loads in really fast without anything in community folder. Going to delete all the stuff in community folder I don’t really care about, to speed up load times. Will run tomorrow and update performance results. Dc
You lost 2GB of GPU mem budget when you deleted the rolling cache and loaded back in (49 mins roughly).. interesting. Anyone using AMD Ryzen CPUs should have game mode off and use Ryzen Master's version instead (and AMD optimized power setting). Most of your tips helped me, wonder about that available gpu memory drop though. Thanks for the information, reinstalling now myself :)
I think it changes per person/machine. On my system (3900x) using game mode is an improvement. And I have played with a ryzen master a few times and personally I am not that impressed with it.
@@biteme263 makes sense.. i’m on an older gen ryzen 2700x. Ever use the Ryzan power mode? Using high performance would make the cpu laggy. Maybe it’s time for an upgrade on my cpu. :)
@@MattR336 I use the AMD Ryzen Balanced setting. Then I just tweak some of the power and visual setting manually. I actually disable quite a few things on my computer. As for Ryzen Master and other such utilities I normally don't use them. I find it is normally just as easy and works better to make any changes like that in the Bios instead. And over clocking the Ryzen cpu's really isn't worth the effort unless you have a specific use case that it would help. PBO works just fine for me. I do have tweaked PBO settings though. My PBO is tweaked to boost as high as it possibly can. Personally I still think the 2700 is a great cpu for the money, especially if you can find a deal on one. My 3900x is way overkill for anything I am doing with my computer (and it gets much hotter). I used to have a 3600 and it worked just fine. I would have been just as happy with a 2700x too. Just look on youtube or google for some tweaking guides for the Ryzen cpu's. There are some good ones out there. Anything that will work on the 3600 or whatever should work fine with the 2700x as well. And any settings really need to be tested to see what they do for you. Like game mode and different games and what not. It could be different for each system. Many say Game Mode should be off but on my system it was actually better with it on. Tweak, test, tweak.
I've had quite a few crashes to desktop since the last update. Planes doing weird things like applying the emergency brake for no reason....some airports do it some dont.
Hello where can I get help with my install I purchased msfs and downloaded it it says bundle so I did 157 gigs but it won't stop downloading updates I'm up to over 238 gigs it says it's installed but mandatory update still needs 59 more gigs
When I reinstallled from store a window did pop up that had the term "Syncing" in it - My King Air rudder trim tab doesn't move with the rudder so I thought it might be a controller issue and low and behold all my device profiles were magically there (even the one for the CRJ. (Still have the rudder issue for the King Air and no clue why - only 3 other people I know of have it. Even after a complete uninstall.
What a bunch of crap my reinstall attempt turned into. After the uninstall, the Microsoft store messed up and wouldn’t update the gamer module and wouldn’t let me load the prerequisite digital download, much less the sim download itself. Wound up having to pay twice and buy the game on Steam. Which now I don’t mind because it worked right away and I like steams download interface much better. Microsoft store has always been buggy fir me. Even when I was trying to download my Microsoft office suite last year I was having problems with it. My advice is do everything through steam whenever possible.
@@OverkillSimulations It's okay. No need for you to apologize, it wasn't your fault. I blame Microsoft and Windows 10's often times ambiguous process when it comes to downloads and installs. I've had stuff hang up and say "pending" for days.
@@hdvrNG Waste of time? Yes, but I'm glad I got it up and running again. Waste of money? Yeah, kind of. I hated to pay another $60 to Steam on top of the $120 I already paid last summer to Microsoft, but in the end, I took a chance that it would be my only solution to the problem, and luckily I guessed right. As for reinstalling being pointless, I would never reinstall unless I absolutely had to. I was getting an odd error message which prevented me from opening it up. Reinstalling at that point was my only course of action. To me the simulator is worth the time and sacrifice to get it going correctly again, but I wish it didn't take quite so much time, effort, and money on my part. Last week sucked, quite frankly for me, I'm hoping using the sim from this point on will be a bit more seamless.
I installed msfs2020 before the 40th anniversary update which changed the install in the Xbox app from 2 gb to 157 gb. (the game size) I have the entire game downloaded but not the game launcher so how can I play the game without deleting the files in file explorer. Also will deleting the files cause me to lose my community addons and addons I payed for in the Microsoft flight simulator. My problem is obscure so I couldn’t find anyone else who had the same problem and a solution.
Hello sir, i will get another pc so i would like to save in the sim my keyboard settings, my joystick settings, how to backup them and restore after please ?
Followed this and has been trying for one day.. so far loading times have droped a lot (from several mins to half) even with the local airport and city mods.. however i still have a lot of world updates to install yet (all of them basically) so once i end that will see if this keeps up.. Ironically it saved more settings than i tought.. but not all of them wich is weird.. i was not expecting it to save the graphics or asistance or general settings but it saved the asistance, most of the general and half of the graphics wich doesnt make sense but ok...
...You had WOW running in the background??? well of course your loading time was long. Edit: Motion blur is the 1st thing I turned off. IMO it is something that should've been off by default.
I tried your method to reinstall MSFS 2020 but I stuck part way through the process. When I finish downloading the initial part through Microsoft Store and then try to start the simulator I get a black screen but it never starts. What am I doing wrong?
@@OverkillSimulations Thanks for the quick response. So I presume since I had installed in the default location, the FS2020 [uninstall] would have deleted that core packages folder from there. Correct?
I don't think motion blur is popular with "any gamers" That's the first thing I turn off. Your eyes will provide all the motion blur it needs to. Doesn't have to be simulated. Lense flare? again, not needed unless you want to simulate that your looking through a camera whilst simming, because it's only an effect you would see from a camera lense and who flies with a camera stuck to their face for the majority of their flight. Depth of field also is questionable as it's just a fake eye focus implementation. Again let your real eyes do the focusing. And all this fluff takes fps away from the sim.
Alright guys, I’m just trying to figure out how to completely uninstall this game and every bit of it. Can anyone explain to me how step by step, I can’t figure this out.
The human eye doesn’t view at 60fps anyway. Even Cinemascope doesn’t run at 60fps. The human eye resolves 25 FPS. If that’s the case, isn’t more than that just wasted energy? Perhaps someone with better biological knowledge than me can confirm this ( or otherwise )
@@hdvrNG I bow to your knowledge, N G> I"ve never had 140fps on my screen so you have me at a disadvantage. I wonder how the eye sees a difference then, since it's only clocking new images at 25fps? OR maybe I have that aspect wrong.
That isn't how that works Mike. I think you might have it reversed, but it is a common misconception and theory people like to put out there. The eye, or actually the brain can detect frames far higher than 60 fps. I will give you an example. Have you ever seen a new high def tv with True Motion or whatever they want to call it turned on? Or went to an electronics store and seen the tvs that have amazing detail. You know where you look at it and everything is super crisp, life like and almost 3d looking. Or it looks like video instead of film? Many call it the "soap opera effect". They try to make it seem like its the resolution of the tv that makes it look like that but it really isn't. What the tv is doing is increasing the frames. Rather than displaying the image at 30 or 60 frames it doubles or tripples it so in some cases you are seeing 240 or so frames. So the human eye can detect far more than 25 fps. This is why when 720p 60hz tv's came out they looked so good. I think where people get confused is that 24 fps is around the point where its fast enough to trick the brain into believing it is seeing smooth motion. This is why that is the standard motion pictures were filmed in. It was the least amount of film they could use and it still looked smooth and realistic. If it gets slower than that there isn't enough information for the brain to fill in the gaps and it starts to stutter or look like a slide show. And over the years our brains have learned that 24, 30 and 60 fps look normal because we have programmed them that way. I am quite sure 20 year or so from now if you show a kid a film that was shot at 24 fps they will say it doesn't look right because they are simply just not used to seeing it. Another thing to consider is that FPS isn't the only thing going on here. There is also the refresh rate of the display. The fps has to be the same or a multiple of the refresh rate for it to look good. If it doesn't then there will be gaps and it won't look right. This is what causes screen tear or other motion artifacts when playing games. This is why in a lot of cases you can't video a tv with a camera without it looking all messed up in the play back. The refresh rate was not in sync with the fps it was being captured with. So lets say you have a 60 hz refresh rate monitor. If you want it to look smooth the fps needs to be 30, 60, 120 hertz and so on. If you are looking at something that is 45 hertz or 150 or whatever it won't look right. Especially if you are moving your camera around. And if its jumping around constantly from 40 to 160 or something it can be even worse. This is what Vsync and Gsync were designed to solve. And there are many movies and tv shows currently being shot at frame rates that are 60 and above. Especially action movies. It is mostly going to boil down to the artistic choice the director wants to make. Or the target audience. If they want a more film like look they will go with 24 frames. If they want a more life like, gritty, action or high tech look they might go with something faster. It might even change depending on the scenes they are shooting.
Agreed. I have been using flight sims since mid 90's. RW pilot as well. I have uninstalled and reinstalled 8-10 times. No luck. At least I have X-Plane to fly on VATSIM and Pilotedge. XP puts everything in 1 big folder. Amazingly simple and easy to backup etc. Microsoft craps its files everywhere which is causing everyone problems. Maybe Overkill got it right. He is pretty knowledgeable. I am going to try again here in August 2022. MS/Asobo should be embarrased, but alas, they are too arrogant. Good Luck.
I went ahead and tried this because I have been getting crashing to desktop qlot in vr with the ho reverb g2.not sure yet if it worked still downloading
The Game is the same size if you install the latest version. The files are compressed and then uncompressed. Waste of time installing it again, and BTW, the community folder should be emptied prior to any update. Just as ridiculous as reinstalling windows because one program has a bug.
There have been times where a singular program install has caused me to reformat my Windows drive, because whatever the software did, it broke windows and no amount of troubleshooting resolved the issue. My PC is strictly for gaming and I have a custom Windows ISO anyway, so a reformat simply takes about 30minutes start to finish. Now if only Microsoft wouldn’t lock down their apps install folder I can actually consolidate my programs to one mass storage drive without having to reinstall some Windows apps/games because windows refuses to use an existing directory they were originally installed in, just a different drive letter
From what I understand, all controller profiles and your pilot's logbook are stored in the cloud, and when you reinstall it will pull that data back down. Not knowing for sure if my pilot's log would get preserved when I uninstall and reinstall, I've run across that assertion several times now and will go for it today.
well my SImulator decided to delete itself. It is completely gone from my system. So i go to Microsoft Store and click install and nothing happens. Any ideas?
@@OverkillSimulations it’s not a virus. Something is wrong with the store and or the Xbox app. But none of the fixes I can find will work. It will it install from either the store or the Xbox app and when I try in the Xbox app I get the error: 0x0000001. None of the fixes for that that I can find work either.
@@OverkillSimulations I think I got it fixed. I had to go to the windows media creator tool and reinstall windows update that way. I am now installing MSFS. Crazy
Download accelerators don’t work. You are at the mercy of your own subscribed internet connection, overall network congestion, and the upload speed of the server you’re downloading at.
I would hate to do an install from the start it's 125 gigs now.. WTH is wrong with Microsoft make some CDs you cheap company.. They sold this game not finished is what pisses me off and then they don't make it easy for the gamer.. I can't wait for X Plane 12 they won't screw the simmers over..
I did a reinstall of Windows then installed MSFS. All my controller presets from my previous MSFS install were present, so it looks to me that they’re stored in the cloud. Thanks for all your great content. Keep it coming!
It seems to me that absolutely anything having to do with MSFS 2020 is overly complicated. While I very much appreciate your video, it's mostly Greek to me. I'm 78 yrs old and a couple of years ago I thought that I had pretty much kept up with the increasingly complex issues with Flight Simulator. I now realize that I don't have a damn clue. My copy of MSFS 2020 is, at the moment, useless. I definitely need to uninstall and reinstall from the microsoft store but it seems my copy is seriously corrupted. Asobo really needs to address the update issues. None of us should have to experience the frustration that seems to be inherent in the app.
AND HOW!! Boy, do I agree with this. After this latest mandatory update, I have only intermittent Internet connection; then during take off the throttle goes to zero no matter what i do the plane crashes. I do not know how to check whether I need to reinstall Win10. Or reinstall the entire msfs2020 package. Microsoft should issue an official document "How to reinstall Win10 and MSFS2020." Does the general public realize what a total, abysmal, failure MSFS2020 has been for many of us? Probably not. So MSFT continues to ignore us.
It’s really not all that complicated once you have it running… it isn’t very clear about how to uninstall it but hopefully that’s not something that needs to be done often. I do wish they would find a way to reduce the installation size after installation, that’s the most annoying part.
I completely hear you, fishman211. After over a decade tweaking, installing, and tweaking some more with FSX, I finally had the thing running as perfectly as I could. I understood how the simulator reacted with third party add-ons. I was the one making changes to the sim. Now there's a completely different mindset. Of course, it's all about money. MS doesn't want to leave a dime on the table if they can put it in their pocket. Gates was not happy seeing how everyone else was making good money off "his"software. This new approach is designed for making sure he got his cut. Plain and simple. I'm not a "gamer", I never will be. (Although, I will admit having a bit of an obsession with Tetris and Mario Brothers on Nintendo 64 back in the '90s.) Gaming is too juvenile for me. But a good flight sim develops real-world, entertainment and education, not a fantasy designed to pollute the minds of our youth. It was the stunning, real-world visuals that enticed me to try MSFS 2020. I'm going to keep at it until they get it right, or I do. I will always have my trusty FSX sitting on my SSD, waiting for my return. I fear for the well-being of my grandchildren. And, GET OFF MY LAWN !!!
@@DanielDuhon I have reinstalled it no less than 10 times. It still doesn't work. STUCK ON "CHECKING FOR UPDATES"
I did a fresh install as well with the latest update. One thing I would mention to folks considering this...if you've saved custom cameras for some or all of the planes you fly frequently I would definitely backup the cameras folder first at ...\Users\XXXX\AppData\Local\Packages\Microsoft.FlightSimulator_8wekyb3d8bbwe\LocalCache\SimObjects\Airplanes. I forgot this one and it was real pain to go back and recreate all of them. Now it's on my list of folders to back up periodically just in case. Happy flying!
That's a great Kevin. Thanks.
It's not half the content, It's just compressed a lot better, performance will not be affected.
I’d call this video “an exercise in stabbing in the dark”
I've found that the DPI scaling by the application option is by far the most effective way to normalize performance for me. Switching that on and off makes a massive difference.
3900x, 2080ti, 64 gb RAM...
Thank you for this video. My simulator was down for three weeks and your video helped me get back in the air.
My pleasure!
It's fate that I found your channel today. TYVM for this.
You bet!!
Regarding FPS, _you_ might not need it, but we’re not all wired the same and low FPS does make some people legitimately nauseous, I used to believe everyone got migraines and felt sick from gaming until I chased framerate, now those days are in the past, I can blow a weekend in any game and be as fresh as a daisy now, unless I play a game locked at 30, and if I do, I can feel the migraine starting within an hour, like the old days!
I’ll also add that part of chasing FPS is eliminating macro and micro stutters. in fact, it’s where you start and you don’t try to improve the number of frames per second until they are eliminated entirely. Most people happily stop there. I defy anyone to enjoy the game just as much with macro stutters periodically, as without, quite simply if you claim it, I wouldn’t believe you.
The biggest problem I find is most people just try to brute force it with expensive graphics cards and wonder why they don’t get crisp smooth visuals. Expensive gear is for higher fidelity, not smooth frames. I get 120 in msfs with a 2080. Not even the super. All cards can be smooth, within their capabilities. Do I have chimneys showing on houses in the distance? No. But I value smoothness and lack of migraines more than graphics.
Those are very very fair points.
Good video. Looks like I’ll be doing a re-install tonight. Good to see a setup very similar to mine shine like this. Keep up the good work! Happy flying!
Just did this as I got a new SSD for FS. Every single time I uninstall and reinstall my sim gets better. That is to say what I want is what I have and less things I don't use. Currently I'm flying as a 1935 airline and it makes my life much easier.
That's for doing the testing. Can't wait for your final conclusions. I hope Asobo gets a handle on the stuttering.
For best performances, Asobo recommends reinstalling MSFS 2020, your graphic card drivers, and your Windows operating system, at least twice a week.
twice a week?! they must be kiddin
Best I can do is once a year
First of all I think upfront you should have made the disclaimer that your MSFS2020 is NOT a Steam version!! This would have eliminated everyone like me who does have the Steam version!! As the uninstall, reinstall and file placements on the Steam version are completely different!! Thanks for doing the video for those who don’t have the Steam version of MSFS2020!!
After Sim Update 10 I had major performance issues in VR. I tried all the fix videos I could find and nothing worked. Along came Sim Update 11 and no improvement. In the end I tried the uninstall and reinstall. Fixed it! Clearly the update process isn't always very clean. I'm an IT consultant so I'd spot if I'd done something wrong, so clearly this was Microsoft bugs under the hood with the updater. However it was worth it, I'm now enjoying DLSS in VR immensely, it's like a new sim all over again. Thanks OverKill! They just need to sort out the damn A310, it's completely unstable.
Your control settings are definitely from cloud storage, because all my settings were all available to me when I migrated from one machine to another: there is no way they could have transferred across because I didn't backup any game save or flight fiiles from the old machine to transfer to the new one
Control settings are definitely installed from the cloud.
You must have one cracking Internet provider I wish I could get msfs 2020 to install in 35mins takes about 8-9 hours for mine to install at 68 mbps
Mike, you are just the best FS2020 tutor I know of. Your videos are always highly informative and delivered in an entertaining manner. Great work and look forward to seeing the next one.
Amen about the FPS with MSFS!
@ Overkill: Assuming you installed the roadmap data for the Working title G3000, then FS can take several minutes to shut down, when you did a flight using the G3000. Says so in the docs too.
Additionally, I always kill the oculus apps before I launch. I haven't tried renaming that one yet (steamVR rename helped), but that running while i'm doing a screen flight was killing it. Another video I watched: he turned his screen refresh rate to 60mhz and turned on low latency mode in nvidia control panel. In MSFS, he put v-sync on at 30fps and wow. That did wonders for mine as well, never seen it look so good between that trick and disabling steamVR. Cheers!
Thanks OverKill. I have been trying to install this hot mess since day 1. At least 8-10 times. Clean uninstall etc. I completely gave up about 1 year ago. and did another uninstall. GUESS WHAT, thanks to you, I looked in roaming and there was 118 gig of uninstalled data. WTH? Maybe that has been my problem. How could this happen? Oh, nevermind, its a MIcrosoft associated product.
Would you say it's possible that having steam VR running in the background trying to start up could be affecting my Oculus Link/MSFS performance? You said in that video that those didn't affect VR performance but I assume Steam VR would hurt Oculus Link no?
The windows registry is one of the stupidest things that windows has. It’s a nightmare to deal with, it almost always causes some undetectable issues, and it has no obvious purpose.
Excellent! Work, thanks for the info!
You bet!
Absolutely worth it, MSFS Addons Manager is your friend! Synced to the cloud
Do u mean the modmanfx ?
@@limother3749 flightsim.to/
I purchased a new 1Tb NVME just for MSFS. After the first installation, which I purchased from the store, I had all kinds of problems, especially when attempting to add third party addons. I had two sets of community folders and store folders. Neither was compatible with the other. So, my plan now is to format the NVME and start over again. One thing I've noticed, when MS does an update, they quite often rearrange the file structure and content. This makes watching a video from 2020 or 2021 quite confusing when you've got a 2022 version installed on your computer. So, watcher beware. I wish MS had made MSFS 2020 available as a stand-alone product, instead of integrating it into their "gaming" universe. A true flight simulator should never be confused with a "game". There's a whole lot of "MANDATORY" going on in the world today. FSX and P3D never had "mandatory". YOU could decide how to modify your sim.
Only the *download* size has been cut in half by using better compression.
The size on disk and the actual expanded files remain the same.
Install size shows 110GB in packages>official.
I did not do a fresh install since i never had problems with addons and crashes.
In my view most of the OUTSIDE the game settings are snake oil tweaks.
Performance drops are close to landing/airport, since this/last update. Other than that not much has changed.
You had the stones to tell computer weirdos that fps isn't the most important thing in the universe?! I'm impressed.
Lol ;)
I wont reinstall. Since the latest update it run smoother as ever before...
I'm done with MSFS. Still crashes when I plug in my USB controller. Bad flight physics. Annoying from A to Z. Back to X-Plane. Might not look as beautiful, but runs stable.
All done. Reinstall, minor settings adjustment, and added back 300G+ in community content. LFG!
did you just copy and past the community folder to a backup drive while you installed the new version?
@@GJLCreativeStudios Yes. I created a copy on one of my SSDs before the re-install. If you don't, the Community folder will delete itself as soon as you authorize the re-install. Also do this every time there's an update. Empty it out, update, start the sim, close, then add the files back to the folder.
Thanks
I learned the hard way about updates blowing all my 3rd part add-ons out the door!
In your flight test section. my best guess is that It remembers your settings. I have MSFS2020 installed on 2 different machines with 2 different settings altogether. Now how I know this is because when I setup on my second machine (for the first time on a new NVME.2) It gave me an option if I wanted to use settings from system x on system y. I have used this uninstall/ re-install routine all the time. You got rid of it all. I also use REVO uninstaller for those pesky files that do not want to get deleted. Great job as always.
Dido. I love it like that. It asks you if you want profile from a certain date, if I am not mistaken.
Gonna do a reinstall tonight ... jacked my system installing bravo Quadrant software blew away all of my settings and went back to square 1 last night... I just shut it off and wet to bed .... I have a task in front of me .... could NOT find my Community folder ... was hidden .... should have just let it alone until I found and backed it up first ....OUCH ...m.2 2 Tb nvme x570 5950x 6950x nzxt aio .... new build took some weeks to gather up all the hardware installed gonna try to do a clean install and cross my fingers
Good video but I dread the day. It'll take 2 days to reinstall lol
Update 7 completely ruined my game. Throttle doesn't work, flaps have a mind of their own, plane veers left, avionics broken....just a total mess.
You help me very much thanks
I'm happy I have a fast system, and i reinstall this quarterly otherwise it gets bogged down...
I am having several issues after update four. Four out of five loading would crash. Tried and normal uninstall, reinstall, kept getting errors. Finally got it to install but still crashing. Tonight did a complete uninstall as you did here, deleted everything. Reinstall went good. Loads in really fast without anything in community folder. Going to delete all the stuff in community folder I don’t really care about, to speed up load times. Will run tomorrow and update performance results.
Dc
I don't really care about the size, but will the re-installation fix the bug of crashing out to the desktop from time to time after the update ?
Is your texture resolution high or ultra?
AFTER THE LAST UPDATE MY GAME CRASHES TOO AFTER ABOUT 15 min.
I re-install at avery SU and WU, tbh. Before that thing messes up again in an update, just quickly uninstall and download it again.
Thanks man
35 mins to instal fs 2020 was stuck for 3 days.
ANYTHING involving msfs is worth it the moment you throttle up on the runway 😁
You lost 2GB of GPU mem budget when you deleted the rolling cache and loaded back in (49 mins roughly).. interesting. Anyone using AMD Ryzen CPUs should have game mode off and use Ryzen Master's version instead (and AMD optimized power setting). Most of your tips helped me, wonder about that available gpu memory drop though. Thanks for the information, reinstalling now myself :)
I think it changes per person/machine. On my system (3900x) using game mode is an improvement. And I have played with a ryzen master a few times and personally I am not that impressed with it.
@@biteme263 makes sense.. i’m on an older gen ryzen 2700x. Ever use the Ryzan power mode? Using high performance would make the cpu laggy. Maybe it’s time for an upgrade on my cpu. :)
@@MattR336 I use the AMD Ryzen Balanced setting. Then I just tweak some of the power and visual setting manually. I actually disable quite a few things on my computer. As for Ryzen Master and other such utilities I normally don't use them. I find it is normally just as easy and works better to make any changes like that in the Bios instead. And over clocking the Ryzen cpu's really isn't worth the effort unless you have a specific use case that it would help. PBO works just fine for me. I do have tweaked PBO settings though. My PBO is tweaked to boost as high as it possibly can. Personally I still think the 2700 is a great cpu for the money, especially if you can find a deal on one. My 3900x is way overkill for anything I am doing with my computer (and it gets much hotter). I used to have a 3600 and it worked just fine. I would have been just as happy with a 2700x too. Just look on youtube or google for some tweaking guides for the Ryzen cpu's. There are some good ones out there. Anything that will work on the 3600 or whatever should work fine with the 2700x as well. And any settings really need to be tested to see what they do for you. Like game mode and different games and what not. It could be different for each system. Many say Game Mode should be off but on my system it was actually better with it on. Tweak, test, tweak.
Do you work at LAX? Cuz I swear one of the ATC voices at LAX for ATC Chatter was you. Haha.
It syncs with your account, reinstalled on totally new copy of windows.
I've had quite a few crashes to desktop since the last update. Planes doing weird things like applying the emergency brake for no reason....some airports do it some dont.
Hello where can I get help with my install I purchased msfs and downloaded it it says bundle so I did 157 gigs but it won't stop downloading updates I'm up to over 238 gigs it says it's installed but mandatory update still needs 59 more gigs
Nice and useful video. Stutter elimination and FPS increse are what I'm most interested in, and the reinstall cannot hurt here, I hope.
Interesting in that I cannot open my C\Program Files\WindowsApps folder.
When I reinstallled from store a window did pop up that had the term "Syncing" in it - My King Air rudder trim tab doesn't move with the rudder so I thought it might be a controller issue and low and behold all my device profiles were magically there (even the one for the CRJ. (Still have the rudder issue for the King Air and no clue why - only 3 other people I know of have it. Even after a complete uninstall.
I don't have custom folders so you lost me right in the beginning
What a bunch of crap my reinstall attempt turned into. After the uninstall, the Microsoft store messed up and wouldn’t update the gamer module and wouldn’t let me load the prerequisite digital download, much less the sim download itself.
Wound up having to pay twice and buy the game on Steam. Which now I don’t mind because it worked right away and I like steams download interface much better.
Microsoft store has always been buggy fir me. Even when I was trying to download my Microsoft office suite last year I was having problems with it.
My advice is do everything through steam whenever possible.
I'm so sorry. I've had issues with the store before too..
@@OverkillSimulations It's okay. No need for you to apologize, it wasn't your fault. I blame Microsoft and Windows 10's often times ambiguous process when it comes to downloads and installs. I've had stuff hang up and say "pending" for days.
@@hdvrNG Waste of time? Yes, but I'm glad I got it up and running again.
Waste of money? Yeah, kind of. I hated to pay another $60 to Steam on top of the $120 I already paid last summer to Microsoft, but in the end, I took a chance that it would be my only solution to the problem, and luckily I guessed right.
As for reinstalling being pointless, I would never reinstall unless I absolutely had to. I was getting an odd error message which prevented me from opening it up. Reinstalling at that point was my only course of action.
To me the simulator is worth the time and sacrifice to get it going correctly again, but I wish it didn't take quite so much time, effort, and money on my part. Last week sucked, quite frankly for me, I'm hoping using the sim from this point on will be a bit more seamless.
Too much other talk. Just get to the uninstall and reinstall.
I installed msfs2020 before the 40th anniversary update which changed the install in the Xbox app from 2 gb to 157 gb. (the game size) I have the entire game downloaded but not the game launcher so how can I play the game without deleting the files in file explorer. Also will deleting the files cause me to lose my community addons and addons I payed for in the Microsoft flight simulator. My problem is obscure so I couldn’t find anyone else who had the same problem and a solution.
Hello sir, i will get another pc so i would like to save in the sim my keyboard settings, my joystick settings, how to backup them and restore after please ?
Followed this and has been trying for one day.. so far loading times have droped a lot (from several mins to half) even with the local airport and city mods.. however i still have a lot of world updates to install yet (all of them basically) so once i end that will see if this keeps up..
Ironically it saved more settings than i tought.. but not all of them wich is weird.. i was not expecting it to save the graphics or asistance or general settings but it saved the asistance, most of the general and half of the graphics wich doesnt make sense but ok...
...You had WOW running in the background??? well of course your loading time was long.
Edit: Motion blur is the 1st thing I turned off. IMO it is something that should've been off by default.
Nah the loading time hasn't changed either way lol
I tried your method to reinstall MSFS 2020 but I stuck part way through the process. When I finish downloading the initial part through Microsoft Store and then try to start the simulator I get a black screen but it never starts. What am I doing wrong?
How do you locate all FS2020 packages folders after [Uninstall] is executed. "C: > Custom Folders > FS2020 Packages"? Where is that?
I made that directory. You will be asked to choose a packages location during the reinstall
@@OverkillSimulations Thanks for the quick response. So I presume since I had installed in the default location, the FS2020 [uninstall] would have deleted that core packages folder from there. Correct?
with that way, is it saving keyboards, mouses and joystick settings ?
When I launch fs2020 it stays on a black screen so something is messed up but idk what
I am currently using the program intelligent standby list cleaner for less stuttering
Major issues for sure.My copy of the sim simply disappeared.Trying to speak with someone at Microsoft is another issue.
Oh Brother! I work in IT and we can't get ahold of them either. Doesn't matter what product it is...
No it is not about frame rate......... Eventually spending a decent amount of time on it.
I don't think motion blur is popular with "any gamers" That's the first thing I turn off. Your eyes will provide all the motion blur it needs to. Doesn't have to be simulated. Lense flare? again, not needed unless you want to simulate that your looking through a camera whilst simming, because it's only an effect you would see from a camera lense and who flies with a camera stuck to their face for the majority of their flight. Depth of field also is questionable as it's just a fake eye focus implementation. Again let your real eyes do the focusing. And all this fluff takes fps away from the sim.
Alright guys, I’m just trying to figure out how to completely uninstall this game and every bit of it. Can anyone explain to me how step by step, I can’t figure this out.
The human eye doesn’t view at 60fps anyway. Even Cinemascope doesn’t run at 60fps. The human eye resolves 25 FPS. If that’s the case, isn’t more than that just wasted energy? Perhaps someone with better biological knowledge than me can confirm this ( or otherwise )
@@hdvrNG I bow to your knowledge, N G> I"ve never had 140fps on my screen so you have me at a disadvantage. I wonder how the eye sees a difference then, since it's only clocking new images at 25fps? OR maybe I have that aspect wrong.
That isn't how that works Mike. I think you might have it reversed, but it is a common misconception and theory people like to put out there. The eye, or actually the brain can detect frames far higher than 60 fps. I will give you an example. Have you ever seen a new high def tv with True Motion or whatever they want to call it turned on? Or went to an electronics store and seen the tvs that have amazing detail. You know where you look at it and everything is super crisp, life like and almost 3d looking. Or it looks like video instead of film? Many call it the "soap opera effect". They try to make it seem like its the resolution of the tv that makes it look like that but it really isn't. What the tv is doing is increasing the frames. Rather than displaying the image at 30 or 60 frames it doubles or tripples it so in some cases you are seeing 240 or so frames. So the human eye can detect far more than 25 fps. This is why when 720p 60hz tv's came out they looked so good.
I think where people get confused is that 24 fps is around the point where its fast enough to trick the brain into believing it is seeing smooth motion. This is why that is the standard motion pictures were filmed in. It was the least amount of film they could use and it still looked smooth and realistic. If it gets slower than that there isn't enough information for the brain to fill in the gaps and it starts to stutter or look like a slide show. And over the years our brains have learned that 24, 30 and 60 fps look normal because we have programmed them that way. I am quite sure 20 year or so from now if you show a kid a film that was shot at 24 fps they will say it doesn't look right because they are simply just not used to seeing it.
Another thing to consider is that FPS isn't the only thing going on here. There is also the refresh rate of the display. The fps has to be the same or a multiple of the refresh rate for it to look good. If it doesn't then there will be gaps and it won't look right. This is what causes screen tear or other motion artifacts when playing games. This is why in a lot of cases you can't video a tv with a camera without it looking all messed up in the play back. The refresh rate was not in sync with the fps it was being captured with. So lets say you have a 60 hz refresh rate monitor. If you want it to look smooth the fps needs to be 30, 60, 120 hertz and so on. If you are looking at something that is 45 hertz or 150 or whatever it won't look right. Especially if you are moving your camera around. And if its jumping around constantly from 40 to 160 or something it can be even worse. This is what Vsync and Gsync were designed to solve.
And there are many movies and tv shows currently being shot at frame rates that are 60 and above. Especially action movies. It is mostly going to boil down to the artistic choice the director wants to make. Or the target audience. If they want a more film like look they will go with 24 frames. If they want a more life like, gritty, action or high tech look they might go with something faster. It might even change depending on the scenes they are shooting.
@@biteme263 Thank you so much. That makes sense to me. A day you learn something is a day you have made worthwhile.
Just installed MSFS today and loads everytime the same airport and plane, no matter what a select ! Any ideas pls?!
I need to reinstall this game id like to delete all the files associated with it but I have no idea where n what they are
Yeah...my installation was still huge af...128 GB to be exact. Not sure why it's still so big.......(yup that's what she said too, so I married her)
Does doing this get rid of the not being able to get into the marketplace problem that seems to pop up every now and then?
I never could my install to work. I tried all the suggestions from MS (and others) that I could. This is way to complicated. Pure junk.
Agreed. I have been using flight sims since mid 90's. RW pilot as well. I have uninstalled and reinstalled 8-10 times. No luck. At least I have X-Plane to fly on VATSIM and Pilotedge. XP puts everything in 1 big folder. Amazingly simple and easy to backup etc. Microsoft craps its files everywhere which is causing everyone problems. Maybe Overkill got it right. He is pretty knowledgeable. I am going to try again here in August 2022. MS/Asobo should be embarrased, but alas, they are too arrogant. Good Luck.
It was always worth it :)
I went ahead and tried this because I have been getting crashing to desktop qlot in vr with the ho reverb g2.not sure yet if it worked still downloading
Very nice video I should say but I only have the Nvidia 1060 6Gib and I hit without any reinstalling or major setting fixing, with 39-40 fps
The Game is the same size if you install the latest version. The files are compressed and then uncompressed. Waste of time installing it again, and BTW, the community folder should be emptied prior to any update.
Just as ridiculous as reinstalling windows because one program has a bug.
There have been times where a singular program install has caused me to reformat my Windows drive, because whatever the software did, it broke windows and no amount of troubleshooting resolved the issue.
My PC is strictly for gaming and I have a custom Windows ISO anyway, so a reformat simply takes about 30minutes start to finish.
Now if only Microsoft wouldn’t lock down their apps install folder I can actually consolidate my programs to one mass storage drive without having to reinstall some Windows apps/games because windows refuses to use an existing directory they were originally installed in, just a different drive letter
Rolling cache decreases stuttery in my case 2080 TI
what about all the profiles for my peripherals. Don't want to re-create
From what I understand, all controller profiles and your pilot's logbook are stored in the cloud, and when you reinstall it will pull that data back down. Not knowing for sure if my pilot's log would get preserved when I uninstall and reinstall, I've run across that assertion several times now and will go for it today.
well my SImulator decided to delete itself. It is completely gone from my system. So i go to Microsoft Store and click install and nothing happens. Any ideas?
Woah! Do you have an anti-virus
@@OverkillSimulations it’s not a virus. Something is wrong with the store and or the Xbox app. But none of the fixes I can find will work. It will it install from either the store or the Xbox app and when I try in the Xbox app I get the error: 0x0000001. None of the fixes for that that I can find work either.
@@XCross64 no no... I'm wondering if your anti-virus software maybe thinking it is
@@OverkillSimulations I think I got it fixed. I had to go to the windows media creator tool and reinstall windows update that way. I am now installing MSFS. Crazy
@@XCross64 super odd...
Check your nvidia driver?
Too fast and too many "here" that are impossible to follow. Good effort.
Are there any free download accelerators? last time I had to reinstall everything it took me 3 days to get it all updated & setup
The installer is still painful
Download accelerators don’t work.
You are at the mercy of your own subscribed internet connection, overall network congestion, and the upload speed of the server you’re downloading at.
What do you call a fast internet connection
3-500 down at least. What you saw for me is pushing 950
@@OverkillSimulations Holy f….. wow. I thought my 80mbps was fast. I’ve been schooled. 🙄
I would hate to do an install from the start it's 125 gigs now.. WTH is wrong with Microsoft make some CDs you cheap company.. They sold this game not finished is what pisses me off and then they don't make it easy for the gamer.. I can't wait for X Plane 12 they won't screw the simmers over..
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asobo downgrades the whole game. buildings are lower. water realism sucks compared to old version. This tactic for new game 2022. fu asobo and ms
NOOOOooooo. It's NOT worth ever starting this steaming pile of crap game.