@@rynxuz idk bro, I don't like her aesthetics and her damage seems meh. My Fischl, Razor comp does more damage. Barbara is good enough for the heals. Am not even sure where to use her. If I liked her looks, I wouldn't care about utility, but alas that isn't the case either. She just wasted my pity. :(
@Sunny Lov I think you're misunderstanding how elements work in this game, but I'll use Baizhu regardless of how good he is. But they're not gonna add a bunch of elemental reactions and make dendro weak in all of them. Most characters also don't apply their own status conditions to themselves, so it wouldn't necessarily make them easier to kill. We'll have to wait until they actually add it to the game before we know how it'll work, but I don't see why we'd assume it'll just be the worst element.
@Sunny Lov it does not react except pyro, and it has sooo much potential, dendro can heal, create constructs, can do offensive damage, it could be anything.
*Looks at droprates and the zero 5* char, endless ambers and lisas and only shitpulls after 60 rerolls * no thanks i rather burn my money, i managed to got a Mona on my dunno 56 Reroll, the fact that i had to make around 60 new accounts to finally get 1 playable Character will prevent me forever to dump just a cent in here. Hey Mihoyo little tipp, i heard people like to spent money if they can "see" a reward. But such a low rate makes me mad about the system itself. Usually it wouldnt bother me but this time it is actually triggering me in a point where i want to spent money but its like i cant because i know the rewards will be absolute waste 9/10 In other gachagames like Azur Lane (7% top tier drop chance everytime) it is far more easier to get me to spent money because the systems seems to be more fair, hell i played that game for a year f2p before i dumped around 200 in useless skins in there. But i didnt regret it. But genshins gacha rates are just a ripoff. I regret doing so many rerolls.
Me starting the game: "Okay, so I'll only pull for the characters I really like. Good personality, look cool, interesting kits." Me after playing for two weeks: "Shit."
I might be one of the few people who prefer Sucrose to Venti, but I also missed his banner... idk, people say she’s an inferior Venti but I really like her xD
@@weathermaggot1514 Oh yaoyao's a four star? i can manage to get her, since qiqi can be pulled anytime and i already have diona i can make a whole loli team with them, except i didn't get Klee TwT
@@doriansz3130 have you got venti because if you didn't then xiao might be the way to go for you Because in my honest opinion anemo element is overall stronger than geo because geo gives durability while anemo gives attack
Same and btw I just realized from the leak that we haven't seen his Elemental Burst yet. His dash was his charged attack and his Elemental Skill was the Geo pillar thingy at the end
@@SolomonKoIk I've been saving for him. Hope I can get enough Primogems to pull him Update: I'm 60 pulls away from a guaranteed Zhong so my only chance is to win the coinflip, wish me luck guys
@@SolomonKoIk I guess Zhongli is Rex Lapis. And if it's true, well, we all witnessed how good the Anemo god Venti was, so we can expect a great skill set from the Geo god.
I WANT Xiao bcs he's a unique character, you know with that *rage-like* elemental burst and all (dude's super badass), but i think I NEED Zhongli.. there are some geo type monster with geo shield and that's annoying af. Yeah, you can penetrate the geo shield using Overload but using 2 characters for a specific monster is a little bit too much. So.. i hope the god of gacha will give me Zhongli in the next update, amen.
@@latroyw4650 yeah but isn't using geo attack is faster than just great sword? I dont really compare it but i felt that way, correct me if im wrong btw.
@@trwyds2624 i believe its faster then geo attacks unless ur talking about geo heros other then the mc who zhongli is like. cuz the other geo then the mc have the benefit of making or having normal attacks geo. i think zhongli ulti can break geo shields thou but not sure
Yeah that’s so weird, they put a very little possibility to get five stars, even if you get, you cant improve it, but maybe in the future they will be more friendly like in Honkai impact3, remember his beginnings, people was disgusting for the little content, and eventually gets better and just better
@@btobond1 That would be the wake decision for their profit, and our experience. But I have no hope of it happening. So many game companies have taken the wrong path each and every time in these situations.
Its a marketing tactic. Mihoyo wants to tease players onto buying the draws in the early release because its popular and everyone is playing it (which is the perfect time to do) by putting every little good thing behind a gacha with a 0.6% chance to get which will temp players. I mean youd start slow too if youre gonna make a free to play game thats this great wouldnt you?
i'm going for xiao, he's at least 60% of the reason i'm playing and i'm saving everything i have for him, if there's any primogems left after i get him then i'll go with them for zhongli since he's also husbando, but xiao is the ultimate priority
I’m pulling for Xiao, I like zhongli and childe too but Xiao is priority. Also because unlike Zhongli, Xiao can attack units in mid air plus he has enhanced jump. Another thing is, have you read this www.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Impact/comments/jazgnj/xiao_but_his_backstory_is_too_sad/ Edit: Xiao’s ulti draining his hp is fixable with Barbara or Xingqiu. Actually his hp getting drained is also really nice to pair up with berserk set cuz that would make him stronger too.
Am aiming for Zhongli, why? 1, he capture my heart (husbando material) rather than xiao who literally made an asshole move (hot but not enough) 2. HE KICK DA SPEAR 3. LEG4DAYS 4. And last HIS CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT ARE EVERYTHING I NEED TO UNLOCK HIS STORY
@@rotzloffel Ascending and leveling characters, enhancing weapons, talents, and artifacts, etc. They get more and more expensive the higher ur AR is (i'm AR42 atm)
"If you already have Venti" I'm getting Xiao exactly because I have Venti I need those double Anemo perks imagine how often you could spam Venti's ult and maybe even Xiao's.
It boggles my mind how much money it costs just to gamble in this game. You can buy multiple AAA games for the cost of one character. Seems like a bizarro world.
Yea it’s insane, and I’ve heard it’s estimated 2700 to make out a five star. And people actually pay that much. Gacha is scary it causes unhealthy addiction, is why there’s a stamina system to keep you from being addicted and not to play all the game away all at once. They’re like, slow it down ok?
@@levibest2409 eh, I would say stamina makes you more likely to gamble. At end game, when youve done everything and spend all your resin, there is nothing else left to do but roll lmao
Zhongli is way more stylish and badass. He kicks his spear in his auto attack animation and summons a meteor with his Ultimate. But then again he is geo user. Idk how to feel about that. Xiao seems cool too
Well, there’s not much Geo users, that might be interesting. I like Xiao because his personality is one of I like, other thing: I normally really like these characters that appear to be kids when they’re actually extremely powerful and shit, and because I couldn’t get Venti, so I need a better Anemo user than Surcrose or the MC. But Yeah, Zhongli is pretty cool too, I do want to know about Childe too, like, what will be happening to him, is he just going to be a boss or is he actually going to be a character.
@@doremi6544 pretty sure it's for the party & the buff extends to ally geo structures present ex. ningguang E iirc his banner was released alongside rate up for ningguang which would make sense if that was the case
Mere adepti. Even though there's venti who got screwed over by a fatui member. It still goes to show that it doesn't matter. There hasn't been a proper demonstration of either characters strength wise (story) so it's fairly cringe to assume or compare them like this
The difference is Xiao is pure DPS, Zhongli will most likely be in more of a supportive role in a team with a heavy physical damage focused Main DPS because of the petrify debuff.
I already have Diluc and Keqing I no need more 5 Star DPS characters and I already have a good wind user Venti so I'm skipping Xiao and I'm going for Zhongli. Also I'm free 2 play so I need now manage my primogems I spend most of my gems on trying getting Venti now I'm only at 1.4k but until version 1.1 I still have one month time. More then enough to farm my primogems for Zhongli.
@@strohhuttv8848 one question, do you have to specifically get keqing and mona at their own banner? cause the venti banner only showcases fischl, xiangling and barbara
@@lilylouix9224 No the Venti banner also includes Keqing, Qiqi, Diluc... Go to banner information and there u have a list of all 4 and 5 stars u can get. I got my Keqing from the Venti banner. If u get a 5 star character there is a 50% chance u pull Venti if u get a 5 star character and second 5 star character is guaranteed to be Venti but u can pull other 5 star characters beside Venti.
I've been a ftp this whole time but I'm about to not be. Diluc hasn't come home and neither has ANY five star I want both xiao zhongli and child heLP MEEE
I want to see a little bit more gameplay of Childe, his gameplay looks amazing too, but I’m probably going to pull for Xiao, his moves look sick and his banner will probably come first.
here's what I'm thinking, about to go all tinfoil hat on you guys: supposedly, Xiao had a banner after klee in the CBT. klee is the next banner which is confirmed, so that leads me to believe Xiao is after. Zhongli is coming in 1.1. MHY stated that patches are 6 weeks apart, and character banners last for 3 weeks. this leads me to believe 1.1 will have a Xiao banner followed by a Zhongli banner, and since we don't know much on Childe, he could be the first banner of 1.2. i'm skipping the klee banner since i don't care about her and hoping im a galaxy brain in my theory. i want to get Xiao because i don't currently have another wind user, and he looks busted + is just cool AF looking with his Ult.
I want Klee 😭🖐 she’s so cute to pass on but I want xiao or zhongli this is too tempting I want her badly I’m also almost at pity timer on my third ten rolls I get an instant 5 star. But it’s obviously not a guarantee so...
Pretty sure Klee will last until 1.1, which will then bring either Childe, Zhongli, or both. The leaks have basically confirmed then both for 1.1 If they're separate, the other will come right after. Xiao will most likely come in December with 1.2, or possibly even next year with the Latern Rite event. I think this may also be the case because on the official channel, it shows Xiao in the Latern animatic. Hoping not, but is also probable.
My boi zhongli looking like a badass, xiao looks more like a kid, although I like both, going for zhongli this time. Note: that doesn't mean I'm going to get them ༎ຶ‿༎ຶ
I'd got for Zhongli because appearance wise, I like his more and also because I have sucrose on my main team. Right now I use MC geo for the geo element so it's best to get Zhongli to replace her. I do have Ningguang and Noelle but I don't like their play style so I use them 2 for expedition xD
My main DPS is Ningguang now, but for Noelle, i just use her shield which is not actually so necessary because crystallization will already create some diamond particle to obtain shield. So Zhongli might be useful for me, for Ningguang, and for my team in the future. So yea, i’ll go Zhongli for sure. 😊
@@otto3866 You're right but I think for now I'd go with the play style if I do get Zhongli though then I'll focus on upgrading him and when he reach max weapon/lvl I'll upgrade Noelle or Ningguang. If I don't get him, then I think I'll stick to mc geo
@@Carsu12 Ngl, if we ever get a character that's like that, I'm rolling for it. Hercherr of the Void reminds me of that in Honkai even if not completely.
@@5H4D3 Childe is an archer who can summon weapons (albeit made from water) which include a spear and two shortswords. He is also a ginger. Adult Shirou before going tan lmao
@@Carsu12 Ngl I forgot about the spear in the melee combo. This also made me kinda wish he'd have all weapon types included in his combos. Melee be like - Sword -> double dagger -> Spear for normal combo and charge attack with claymore. And his ultimate could use a book for the cast.
@@LightCheck70 I don't have diluc and I'm currently at 70 pulls into the pity. So I'm unsure if I wanna wait for Klee for my pity or pull on the standard banner and hope its not a weapon again (unless its wolfs gravestone).
@@Sokioku banners of 5 stars characters, the one of rainbow desires, gives u yes or yes a 5 star character at the 90 pull maximum, so its up to you if u prefer klee or xiao
Xiao seems more like a straight up DPS and fun world adventure character. Zhongli seems like he will be more of a support character than a DPS unit. I'm personally going to be using Xiao and Diluc as my two DPS units that I'll be switching between, and my secondary units will probably be Barbara and whatever elemental proc character that works best for Diluc and Xiao, so recommendations would be nice from anyone reading this.
@@ericx6969 I did, he petrifies and I believe has an attack buff for the rest of the party which makes me believe he isn't the unit you'll be dealing out damage with but rather the unit that allows other characters to put out the big numbers.
@@ericx6969 Just adding more to this, I highly doubt his petrify skill will work on bosses so it kind of depletes his overall usage in boss battles which is where big DPS characters are going to be shining. He seems like he will just be a really really good overall support unit with moderate damage that will boost the rest of the teams damage and be super good at crowd control.
I recommend Bennett with Attack % artifacts and energy recharge. You mainly want to use Bennett for his ultimate, which gives allies above a certain health range a large percentage of Bennett's attack. If they don't reach the health percentage, which is around 70-80%, they heal in the area every second until they do. On top of his ultimate, 2 Pyros gives -40% Cryo duration for the party and +25% Attack for the party. Bennett's damage is also not bad and can be built for DPS if you really wanted to but there is obviously better options as Bennett is just Walmart-version Diluc
Klee was rumored to be dropping next week. Now they just released a PV for her, so the rumor was true. Xiao is rumored to be dropping on Nov.7 so, there's an estimate on his release.
oh... Guys, I have just noticed when Xiao use his ult in that video his health is going down and that is really sad so we will need to have healer for him. But I still want to get him as I have Venti and also his lore seems pretty interesting
I know those feels lol I almost have 9000 saved and The urge to spend is driving me nuts but I know I’m saving for XIao so I got a solid dps character. Xianling is my current dps so I’ll just give my spear to xiao lol
@@RazNMace then u r good i just need to farm pyro regisvine and anemo boss coz i need to be prepared to ascend my diluc and venti level is 70 also fischl with electro boss
I’m going for xiao, because // 1.) husbando (my only husbando in the game lmao) 2.) OP af 3.) I need an anemo 5* since venti completely avoided me 😔 also hes anemo lancer, cool af
It would be cool if they gave out solo character missions for these 5 star characters if you pulled them. For ex, if you pull xiao he has a secret solo mission where you can get good rewards like a specific weapon or artifact for him.
How difficult and expensive it is to level up and ascend characters makes me less excited to pull new characters. I'm going to be looking at and more excited for the rate up 4* characters.
Well am farming so hard rn for Xiao and he's gonna release on February and I only can play on my bro's laptop and like he's gonna go back to his university on next year and like- HOW THE FUCK AM I GONNA PULL HIM * not like this *
same, 30 summon left for guaranteed *5 does anyone know if i already pull 5 star on venti banner ( diluc ) and i know the next guaranteed 5 star is venti but i saved up for xiao banner does this means the next guaranteed 5 star is 100% xiao and not become 50 : 50 again ?
Geo users are useful for domains as having the barrier up stops the CD from being extended and stops the excess stamina consumption, so you can play normally in fights
I would highly recommend people mainly F2P to start saving now for whatever banner will arise in Feb for Chinese new year... we already are not getting a lot of content but i can assure you that the content for Feb is gonna be live, so pick these char only if u really like them.
i’m pretty sure zhongli has a s t u n in coop play that is invaluable if this is true it doesn’t matter abt the dps xiao can do zhongli will just come out on top
I liked Zhongli's introduction and character during the "Farewell, the Archaic Lord" questline and I want another Geo user. So he's the one I'm pulling for.
I already lucked into Jean & Sucrose so I absolutely, positively do not NEEEEED another anemo.... But Xiao is sooo pretty! And damn, Zhongli is hella pretty too 🌹🌹🌹😻😻😻😻 NEED ALL My actual (also very pretty) husband just cracks up whenever I fangirl over these characters 😋
Got Geo Daddy C1, got a Jean in Albedo's banner I'm at 30 pitty and saved up 13 000 primos... I'm sure to have both and I'm going to try to have Xiao C1
I'll probably wait for Qiqi's banner, because I'm already committed to my Razor, I'll pamper him first before I build my own harem later. My baby always comes first before other husbandos.
Zhongli and Childe since I already have Venti as my Anemo unit so yeah, need to balance out the elements you know (And I heard Xiao banner gonna drop after Klee banner, and then it will be Zhongli so basically Xiao gonna be release before v1.1)
Having two characters of the same element is actually really good for producing energy plus gives a bonus. Xiao and Venti combo is going to be nuts. (Of course it's up to you who you roll for but that's just a thought)
It’s not all about who im going for it’s about what the game will give me
@Henrique com H lucky I got diluc but I really wanted qiqi or keqing
the game will give you what your wallet allows :)
@@leathal_beast4006 same, I got Jean but wanted keqing or Mona. Seriously why Jean? Even the pity is gone now... ;(
@@lucianjefernein8721
Jean is great bro
@@rynxuz idk bro, I don't like her aesthetics and her damage seems meh. My Fischl, Razor comp does more damage. Barbara is good enough for the heals. Am not even sure where to use her. If I liked her looks, I wouldn't care about utility, but alas that isn't the case either. She just wasted my pity. :(
“Geo is not very well represented”
Dendro: Wait you are represented?
Yeah, I'm terrified of Baizhu coming up as a 5* right after I get Xiao.
@Sunny Lov Why do you think that?
@Sunny Lov How does it react with anything but pyro? I thought they'd only put the one interaction in.
@Sunny Lov I think you're misunderstanding how elements work in this game, but I'll use Baizhu regardless of how good he is. But they're not gonna add a bunch of elemental reactions and make dendro weak in all of them. Most characters also don't apply their own status conditions to themselves, so it wouldn't necessarily make them easier to kill. We'll have to wait until they actually add it to the game before we know how it'll work, but I don't see why we'd assume it'll just be the worst element.
@Sunny Lov it does not react except pyro, and it has sooo much potential, dendro can heal, create constructs, can do offensive damage, it could be anything.
I want them both. And childe. I want a only husbando team.
Honestly same, i also want diluc
And ship them all :3
@@santharoo8949 hah gay
@@donaldzuramp4404 nothing wrong being a little gay with the bros
@@soomii4660 ah yes i forgot i used to be zurako. Thank you takasugi kun
The only thing people will be pulling for is their credit card.
Its 69 I can't change those likes
me whos a f2p player
ummmm my credit card said no
*Looks at droprates and the zero 5* char, endless ambers and lisas and only shitpulls after 60 rerolls *
no thanks i rather burn my money, i managed to got a Mona on my dunno 56 Reroll, the fact that i had to make around 60 new accounts to finally get 1 playable Character will prevent me forever to dump just a cent in here.
Hey Mihoyo little tipp, i heard people like to spent money if they can "see" a reward. But such a low rate makes me mad about the system itself. Usually it wouldnt bother me but this time it is actually triggering me in a point where i want to spent money but its like i cant because i know the rewards will be absolute waste 9/10
In other gachagames like Azur Lane (7% top tier drop chance everytime) it is far more easier to get me to spent money because the systems seems to be more fair, hell i played that game for a year f2p before i dumped around 200 in useless skins in there. But i didnt regret it.
But genshins gacha rates are just a ripoff. I regret doing so many rerolls.
My yakisoba bread is saying no
@@malo6748 Im glad I managed to get three 5 stars on one of my rerolls lol. Sounds just like very bad luck.
Xiao is a boy.
Zhongli is a daddy.
Diluc is beyond us. We aren't having his banner.
Zhongli cant be daddy bcuz he is broke
Technically he’s so rich he can’t fathom being broke... resulting in him being broke lmao
@@bop8370 his color palette is actually mora, he is the mora lol
@@saraamaral5694 he’s not broke he’s just too rich that he always forget to bring his money
Oof,this hurt me on an Astronomical level...sad that Diluc and Zhongli are the only characters I want...smh the game is gonna break me
"So are we going to Xiao or Zhongli?"
Answer: "Yes."
same here hahahah yes is the answer
Xiao more Op
@@Xendruis Zhongli is the Geo Archon!
@@altora8755 Zhongli is more like a support while Xiao is pure dmg but both fun to play so it depends on your team
my answer
Dream husbandos team: Diluc, xiao, zhongli, childe
Geo Daddy getting his buff 🙂
And all of them are pretty much impossible to get😪
they are all dps LMAO
@@sathariel3231 use venti for support
Kaeya complaining why he not on F4 team lmao
@@aiyala1113 maybe bazhu will be support?
Me starting the game: "Okay, so I'll only pull for the characters I really like. Good personality, look cool, interesting kits."
Me after playing for two weeks: "Shit."
*"Shit I'm broke"
How does personality matter in a video game character
@@korny3098 immersion? taste? (not, not "that" taste).
@@korny3098 How does personality matter in real life
time to reroll😂😂
Yeah, I have Venti
My Venti: Sucrose
Lol
I might be one of the few people who prefer Sucrose to Venti, but I also missed his banner... idk, people say she’s an inferior Venti but I really like her xD
The f2p venti haha
Venti Lite
Everyone is hating on sucrose but once you spend enough time with the character you realise how insanely good her crowd control can be
I want pull both...
Why?
For my harem of course
Same but can put money
Is that hypmic I see 👀
Reverse harem with lumine
*disgusted sounds*
Same here
Title: Who should you go for?!?
Me: Its not like i have a choice
Don't have choice?.but can choice the banner because not at same banner
@@hinokamie Bruh I wanna r/woosh you so bad rn but I won't since it seems like english isn't your forte.
@@Kelvin-qc1oy sorry bad english hurm
@@Kelvin-qc1oy xD
You do. You should put out your credit card.
"Geo is not heavily represented"
Then there's Dendro, which has nothing promised except for the caretaker of Qiqi.
theres a 4 star loli w cute hair thats dendo thats coming, her design is out but i dont know her name
@@weathermaggot1514 her name is yaoyao
Do you mean Baizhu?
@@weathermaggot1514 Oh yaoyao's a four star? i can manage to get her, since qiqi can be pulled anytime and i already have diona i can make a whole loli team with them, except i didn't get Klee TwT
so my loli team is only missing one now that dendro? Right?
I want Zhongli because he's husbando. Oh and Xiao too because he's husbando. Oh yeah and Childe too. Diluc as well.
@Dinobun no 😀
How is literally everyone forgetting about my man Kaeya 😩😩 He's at the top of my husbando board simply on the basis HE'S FREE UNLIKE THE OTHERS
@@cultureandhistorynerd6739 He's husbando but he's also a meme. No can do bout it.
I only want xiao. +_+ i already have zhongli and diluc. I don’t like childe much XD“
Wallet-kun is waving
I would honestly rob a bank just to get xiao i literally dont care at this point
Rob them bank?? I would join the mafia and participate in a drug war for Xiao lmao
you probably gonna have to considering these rates 🗿
@@otigev2052 *laughs in the 128 pulls I did that will be carried on to the next banner*
@@10yiyue what did you get on the 90th pull?
@@daierosen disappointment
If you have Jean: Check
If you have Venti: Check
Then Xiao may be a skip for you: We gonna disregard that statement entirely.
I am myself as well, better to have another swirl character than.. shields
OMg someone pulling for a character because they like/want them? that is... amazing go forth non-sheep!
I could have every anemo character in the game and not a single geo and I’d still pull for Xiao instead.
I will skip Xiao
First thing I want is, to have one 5 star of each element,I got Jeane and Mona so I need 4 different elements
@@doriansz3130 have you got venti because if you didn't then xiao might be the way to go for you Because in my honest opinion anemo element is overall stronger than geo because geo gives durability while anemo gives attack
Thanks to ZhongLI i stoped skipped the dialogues and started to reading, just because he is so polite and handsome uwu
Omg I thought I was the only one. Everytime he speaks I'm compelled to listen.
his voice is just so hot
LMAO ME
@@RoseLraye27 did he just made us a sub just by talking
lmao, i skipped alot, well it was 2:00am when i did that mission
My only dream is to collect all 7 Archons of Teyvat
you and me both😔🏃🏼♀️
Bro same, lemme get all of them like Pokemon
So, have venti yet?
softrosemary sadly Venti eluded me 😔 hoping his banner comes back in the future
I’ve got 0 out of 2
Diluc is the best husbando because he is literally batman
The batman of teyvat
@@rhodinkhargsvahd3875 The Batman of Mondstad
Batman of Genshin
The Batman Jean seems to have had a relationship with
@@mashihodpotatoetm4572 nah they’re ex officers but i wish the ship was canon lol
If got to choose one, I will choose Zhong Li cuz he has longer legs makes me climb and run faster.
Longer legs huh
Lol
I m beginning to understand the origin of thigh fetish we have now...
In the mobile genshin taller characters like Kaeya run faster. They changed that in the pc version Kaeya runs as fast/slow as everyone else.
@@joedenton5334 the pc version and mobile are the same version wdym
I feel like y’all are forgetting zhongli is more than a thousand years old, yall simps finna be calling him grandpa
Says all of the the 900+ year old loli simps “iTs LeGaL”
the same goes for xiao lmao
Hello? Did you forget that xiao is one of the adepti?
Xiao is the same bruh
I guess it makes sense why people forget that xiao is an adepti because he was the lamest and most boring adepti in the story
Zhongli:
1- already have a lot of Anemo units
2- LOOK AT HIM
Same and btw I just realized from the leak that we haven't seen his Elemental Burst yet. His dash was his charged attack and his Elemental Skill was the Geo pillar thingy at the end
@@HuyPham-we4dj yup i can't wait to see him. I hope he's very powerful
@@SolomonKoIk I've been saving for him. Hope I can get enough Primogems to pull him
Update: I'm 60 pulls away from a guaranteed Zhong so my only chance is to win the coinflip, wish me luck guys
I want Zhongli + Jean + Klee + Qiqi, Cool parents and two cute daughters team up
@@SolomonKoIk I guess Zhongli is Rex Lapis. And if it's true, well, we all witnessed how good the Anemo god Venti was, so we can expect a great skill set from the Geo god.
I WANT Xiao bcs he's a unique character, you know with that *rage-like* elemental burst and all (dude's super badass), but i think I NEED Zhongli.. there are some geo type monster with geo shield and that's annoying af. Yeah, you can penetrate the geo shield using Overload but using 2 characters for a specific monster is a little bit too much. So.. i hope the god of gacha will give me Zhongli in the next update, amen.
I'm saving primos up to 14k which will reach the pity counter, hope that rng gives what I want :(
@@jayveebernaldez1087 good luck brudda, new banner is coming in less than 48hrs
you can also just use a great sword to break geo shields or constucks
@@latroyw4650 yeah but isn't using geo attack is faster than just great sword? I dont really compare it but i felt that way, correct me if im wrong btw.
@@trwyds2624 i believe its faster then geo attacks unless ur talking about geo heros other then the mc who zhongli is like. cuz the other geo then the mc have the benefit of making or having normal attacks geo. i think zhongli ulti can break geo shields thou but not sure
This game hurts, its nice to get a 5 star but then not having any way to unlock their constellations other then RNG is brutal.
Yeah that’s so weird, they put a very little possibility to get five stars, even if you get, you cant improve it, but maybe in the future they will be more friendly like in Honkai impact3, remember his beginnings, people was disgusting for the little content, and eventually gets better and just better
Yeah, I would love for a Constellation related item to improve Constellation outside of duplicates.
@@btobond1 That would be the wake decision for their profit, and our experience. But I have no hope of it happening. So many game companies have taken the wrong path each and every time in these situations.
Its a marketing tactic. Mihoyo wants to tease players onto buying the draws in the early release because its popular and everyone is playing it (which is the perfect time to do) by putting every little good thing behind a gacha with a 0.6% chance to get which will temp players.
I mean youd start slow too if youre gonna make a free to play game thats this great wouldnt you?
you don't need constellations
Xiao wearing 4 berserker would be nuts since his ult drain his hp and berseker 4 set gives you more crit rate below 70%hp
literal berserker xiao build
im really drooling im pulling out my wallet
Is he stronger than Diluc??
@@Aeron5656 diluc is better i think
@@LeFisheCuantico oh sorry i didnt know
When You said Xiao was your husbando, that settled it for me. I subscribed.
@Tiff SAME! LOL
"I'll still be going for Xiao, why? Because he's husbando." Instant Sub
i'm going for xiao, he's at least 60% of the reason i'm playing and i'm saving everything i have for him, if there's any primogems left after i get him then i'll go with them for zhongli since he's also husbando, but xiao is the ultimate priority
SAME
Holy fuk same! I didnt even roll on venti banner! Planning to skip on klee banner aswell.. so far i’ve saved 14k primogems 😁
@@exlous3387 14k?? Damn I wish
Zhongli personality in the story more or less decided for me plus I have only one Geo type with 2 5 star anemo types xiao taking this L
@@exlous3387 close to the pitty
I’m pulling for Xiao, I like zhongli and childe too but Xiao is priority.
Also because unlike Zhongli, Xiao can attack units in mid air plus he has enhanced jump.
Another thing is, have you read this www.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Impact/comments/jazgnj/xiao_but_his_backstory_is_too_sad/
Edit: Xiao’s ulti draining his hp is fixable with Barbara or Xingqiu. Actually his hp getting drained is also really nice to pair up with berserk set cuz that would make him stronger too.
Xiao is literally Insect Glaive from Monster Hunter. That and the fact that he has dark Anemo vision is why I want him in my team.
@@erluq9309 cool uwu
I'm only waiting & saving for Xiao from the launch day just because I like his design aesthetic & his fast attack moves. The skill set is a bonus. :D
@@erluq9309 insect glaive meets Visoreds from bleach xD
yea, some kirito's stuff lol
Me:I'll choose the strongest of em all..
My wishes: Favonious warbow
That's good
Am aiming for Zhongli, why?
1, he capture my heart (husbando material) rather than xiao who literally made an asshole move (hot but not enough)
2. HE KICK DA SPEAR
3. LEG4DAYS
4. And last HIS CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT ARE EVERYTHING I NEED TO UNLOCK HIS STORY
Also he has no money... The most relatable character in the game so far
@@raile4300 in terms of mora we have no mora
-zhongli and ar 35+playres
@@rhodinkhargsvahd3875 i cant relate to this, i still have 3mil mora, what did you guys do? ar37 btw
@@rotzloffel Ascending and leveling characters, enhancing weapons, talents, and artifacts, etc. They get more and more expensive the higher ur AR is (i'm AR42 atm)
I had like 506 mora before the event FML
"If you already have Venti"
I'm getting Xiao exactly because I have Venti I need those double Anemo perks imagine how often you could spam Venti's ult and maybe even Xiao's.
Woah i didnt even think of this 😂 but i have jean now im thinking if i should go xiao HAHAHAHA
The thing is both of these two play around spamming skills, so that CDR helps quite a bit
@@jajad0340 this is not true, his ult stays up for 15 seconds only.
@@Eievuy Jean is a pretty nice unit to pair it up with Xiao
@@alxcrvs1908 oh definitely would be badass together
It boggles my mind how much money it costs just to gamble in this game. You can buy multiple AAA games for the cost of one character. Seems like a bizarro world.
welcome to gacha's world
Yea it’s insane, and I’ve heard it’s estimated 2700 to make out a five star. And people actually pay that much. Gacha is scary it causes unhealthy addiction, is why there’s a stamina system to keep you from being addicted and not to play all the game away all at once. They’re like, slow it down ok?
@@levibest2409 eh, I would say stamina makes you more likely to gamble. At end game, when youve done everything and spend all your resin, there is nothing else left to do but roll lmao
@@Carsu12 oh man your right I didn’t look at it that way, geez they rlly put here manipulating us hih
@@Carsu12 this comments hits it hahaha
Zhongli is way more stylish and badass. He kicks his spear in his auto attack animation and summons a meteor with his Ultimate. But then again he is geo user. Idk how to feel about that. Xiao seems cool too
Well, there’s not much Geo users, that might be interesting. I like Xiao because his personality is one of I like, other thing: I normally really like these characters that appear to be kids when they’re actually extremely powerful and shit, and because I couldn’t get Venti, so I need a better Anemo user than Surcrose or the MC. But Yeah, Zhongli is pretty cool too, I do want to know about Childe too, like, what will be happening to him, is he just going to be a boss or is he actually going to be a character.
i need a hydro dps to boost my party but i’m getting zhongli for his face
i heard zhongli's pillars have an aoe buff around them so that should be interesting
@@nilmerg i heard so too. Not sure if it's for the party or just for himself tho
@@doremi6544 pretty sure it's for the party & the buff extends to ally geo structures present ex. ningguang E
iirc his banner was released alongside rate up for ningguang which would make sense if that was the case
I want zhongli so I can hear his luscious and deep yet penetrating voice.
Why settle for a mere adepti when you can pull for the Geo archon himself?
Yup i want form full party of archons😂
Mere adepti. Even though there's venti who got screwed over by a fatui member. It still goes to show that it doesn't matter. There hasn't been a proper demonstration of either characters strength wise (story) so it's fairly cringe to assume or compare them like this
@@astrea2894 sameeeee
@Carfal he's rumoured to be the geo god
@@Sachicodao Didn't the GEo god Rex Lapis die? How many Geo-gods are there?
The difference is Xiao is pure DPS, Zhongli will most likely be in more of a supportive role in a team with a heavy physical damage focused Main DPS because of the petrify debuff.
I already have Diluc and Keqing I no need more 5 Star DPS characters and I already have a good wind user Venti so I'm skipping Xiao and I'm going for Zhongli. Also I'm free 2 play so I need now manage my primogems I spend most of my gems on trying getting Venti now I'm only at 1.4k but until version 1.1 I still have one month time. More then enough to farm my primogems for Zhongli.
@@strohhuttv8848 one question, do you have to specifically get keqing and mona at their own banner? cause the venti banner only showcases fischl, xiangling and barbara
@@lilylouix9224 No the Venti banner also includes Keqing, Qiqi, Diluc... Go to banner information and there u have a list of all 4 and 5 stars u can get. I got my Keqing from the Venti banner. If u get a 5 star character there is a 50% chance u pull Venti if u get a 5 star character and second 5 star character is guaranteed to be Venti but u can pull other 5 star characters beside Venti.
@@strohhuttv8848 what how did u get three 5 star chars by f2p? did u reroll?
@@l.k.9302 No I didn't re roll I had luck with my first account.
I’m stuck in between Childe and Zhongli, they’re both strong and both my husbandos and based off of my current team, both are good, i- ;-;
A character voiced by Kimura Ryouhei vs a character voiced by Maeno Tomoaki?
R.I.P wallet-kun.
take your wallet out and get both =)))
@@roveencheong2946 You mean Marsuok smh
@@XLEZZY_REUPLOADS matsuoka is xiao I think
@@afianisaa9696 yes Matsuoka Yoshitsugu voiced Xiao in the game
“Who should you be pulling for?”
Zhongli: simple. I’ll take em all boss.
I want Xiao idc 🤷🏽♂️ he’s literally the reason I got the game and also the first character I’ve ever seen in gameplay from the ads
I've been a ftp this whole time but
I'm about to not be. Diluc hasn't come home and neither has ANY five star
I want both xiao zhongli and child heLP MEEE
I want to see a little bit more gameplay of Childe, his gameplay looks amazing too, but I’m probably going to pull for Xiao, his moves look sick and his banner will probably come first.
His banner will come after klee
@@anyario which is in time when ver.1.1 kicks in.
Idk why but zhongli's design reminds me of fu hua but male
Lol i was thinking the same thing
I was thinking Welt.
It's the hair pony owo
@@batperson3532 Yeah same. Weltu but with a pony tail hahaha
ozymandias from fgo
My goal of every game : having every single character : )
I can't believe I'm here because of xiao and zhongli rerun😭
here's what I'm thinking, about to go all tinfoil hat on you guys: supposedly, Xiao had a banner after klee in the CBT. klee is the next banner which is confirmed, so that leads me to believe Xiao is after. Zhongli is coming in 1.1. MHY stated that patches are 6 weeks apart, and character banners last for 3 weeks. this leads me to believe 1.1 will have a Xiao banner followed by a Zhongli banner, and since we don't know much on Childe, he could be the first banner of 1.2.
i'm skipping the klee banner since i don't care about her and hoping im a galaxy brain in my theory. i want to get Xiao because i don't currently have another wind user, and he looks busted + is just cool AF looking with his Ult.
My view is the same as yours but i think they might put zhongli and childe on the same rate up banner, like %50 then %25(zhongli)%25(childe)
I want Klee 😭🖐 she’s so cute to pass on but I want xiao or zhongli this is too tempting I want her badly I’m also almost at pity timer on my third ten rolls I get an instant 5 star. But it’s obviously not a guarantee so...
Pretty sure Klee will last until 1.1, which will then bring either Childe, Zhongli, or both. The leaks have basically confirmed then both for 1.1 If they're separate, the other will come right after.
Xiao will most likely come in December with 1.2, or possibly even next year with the Latern Rite event. I think this may also be the case because on the official channel, it shows Xiao in the Latern animatic. Hoping not, but is also probable.
@@aimanizzwan oh no please... not 2 characters in one limited banner please...
Nah xiao in February.
I’m most definitely saving for Zhongli. He looks awesome
Petrify
@@rhodinkhargsvahd3875 i thought stabilize
@@amielortiz4910 “i will order”
My boi zhongli looking like a badass, xiao looks more like a kid, although I like both, going for zhongli this time. Note: that doesn't mean I'm going to get them ༎ຶ‿༎ຶ
I'd got for Zhongli because appearance wise, I like his more and also because I have sucrose on my main team. Right now I use MC geo for the geo element so it's best to get Zhongli to replace her. I do have Ningguang and Noelle but I don't like their play style so I use them 2 for expedition xD
Actually if you pair another geo it’d be the best combination for zhongli’s abilities since he buffs and also explodes any geo creations
My main DPS is Ningguang now, but for Noelle, i just use her shield which is not actually so necessary because crystallization will already create some diamond particle to obtain shield. So Zhongli might be useful for me, for Ningguang, and for my team in the future. So yea, i’ll go Zhongli for sure. 😊
@@otto3866
You're right but I think for now I'd go with the play style if I do get Zhongli though then I'll focus on upgrading him and when he reach max weapon/lvl I'll upgrade Noelle or Ningguang. If I don't get him, then I think I'll stick to mc geo
@@haestro101
Nice! In my current team I replaced sucrose with MC anemo for a while because Im testing Diona for support
I want every husbando . They seems cool af.
"he's looking strong" @ zhongli
you mean hot
I actually hope Zhongli actually comes out a little later than Xiao so I can save up more primogems
Surprise🎉🎉🎉 😳💯👌
look who's coming back here after the 2.4 livestream :')
Going for neither, I don't have a water DPS, I'll go for Childe.
So, you are the bone of your sword as well
Rodmar shirou?
@@Carsu12 Ngl, if we ever get a character that's like that, I'm rolling for it. Hercherr of the Void reminds me of that in Honkai even if not completely.
@@5H4D3 Childe is an archer who can summon weapons (albeit made from water) which include a spear and two shortswords. He is also a ginger. Adult Shirou before going tan lmao
@@Carsu12 Ngl I forgot about the spear in the melee combo. This also made me kinda wish he'd have all weapon types included in his combos. Melee be like - Sword -> double dagger -> Spear for normal combo and charge attack with claymore. And his ultimate could use a book for the cast.
Coming here after the 2.4 announcement 😭
My f2p heart is in pain guys.
IKR I WANT BOTH OF THEM BUT MY POOR F2P WALLET CAN ONLY PICK ONE 😭😭
How many pulls is needed
@@edisakuroki5414 90 wishes for 100% 5* , 60 or + if ur lucky
@@whisFC lol I'm broke, gotta grind
Xiao is rumored to be after Klee. So the question is do you wanna skip Klee for Xiao lol.
Skipping Klee is a no brainer, especially if you have diluc like me
@@LightCheck70 I don't have diluc and I'm currently at 70 pulls into the pity. So I'm unsure if I wanna wait for Klee for my pity or pull on the standard banner and hope its not a weapon again (unless its wolfs gravestone).
whoa 😮 if you’re at 70 pulls on the limited banner you might as well try for Klee, especially if you have no interest in venti.
@@Sokioku banners of 5 stars characters, the one of rainbow desires, gives u yes or yes a 5 star character at the 90 pull maximum, so its up to you if u prefer klee or xiao
@@LightCheck70 ye lol
Imagine using Xiao as main.
Kirito when fighting, soma when cooking, sora(no game no life) when solvong puzzles. Lmao anime protagonist vibe
Hell yeah
Xiao seems more like a straight up DPS and fun world adventure character. Zhongli seems like he will be more of a support character than a DPS unit. I'm personally going to be using Xiao and Diluc as my two DPS units that I'll be switching between, and my secondary units will probably be Barbara and whatever elemental proc character that works best for Diluc and Xiao, so recommendations would be nice from anyone reading this.
u underestimating zhongli did you even see all his stuff
@@ericx6969 I did, he petrifies and I believe has an attack buff for the rest of the party which makes me believe he isn't the unit you'll be dealing out damage with but rather the unit that allows other characters to put out the big numbers.
@@ericx6969 Just adding more to this, I highly doubt his petrify skill will work on bosses so it kind of depletes his overall usage in boss battles which is where big DPS characters are going to be shining. He seems like he will just be a really really good overall support unit with moderate damage that will boost the rest of the teams damage and be super good at crowd control.
I have Keqing as 5star dps so Zhongli might be what i need
I recommend Bennett with Attack % artifacts and energy recharge. You mainly want to use Bennett for his ultimate, which gives allies above a certain health range a large percentage of Bennett's attack. If they don't reach the health percentage, which is around 70-80%, they heal in the area every second until they do. On top of his ultimate, 2 Pyros gives -40% Cryo duration for the party and +25% Attack for the party. Bennett's damage is also not bad and can be built for DPS if you really wanted to but there is obviously better options as Bennett is just Walmart-version Diluc
Klee was rumored to be dropping next week. Now they just released a PV for her, so the rumor was true. Xiao is rumored to be dropping on Nov.7 so, there's an estimate on his release.
That’s a few days before update 1.1 gets added in
i told myself that i would never spend money on gacha games again but zhongli really making me rethink everything
This game has earned financial support. I dont feel any more guilty paying 5$ a month than i do paying for ffxiv every month
oh... Guys, I have just noticed when Xiao use his ult in that video his health is going down and that is really sad so we will need to have healer for him. But I still want to get him as I have Venti and also his lore seems pretty interesting
I’m going for Zhongli because he my husbando, but also for that Geo Resonance with Noelle
Swear if I use my 6789 primo gems and don't get xaio Imma have to go sit down and maybe take a month break
You should save up to 14400 because thats when u can pull 90x times to get guaranteed 5*
@@bilianexodia7321 well u need 28k if u want to get the event Chara banner 100%, under 28k depends on luck
I know those feels lol I almost have 9000 saved and The urge to spend is driving me nuts but I know I’m saving for XIao so I got a solid dps character. Xianling is my current dps so I’ll just give my spear to xiao lol
Xiao gets damaged solely from his own attacks? Ooooh that's gonna be a deal breaker for me then
Just need a good healer :)
here because i dont have both and its rumored that zhonglis rerun will be after xiaos rerun but my primogems isnt enough to secure the both of them
here i am losing 50/50 in xiaos banner to qiqi, and now my account is guaranteed but being confuses on to pull for zhongli or xiao
I used xiao in beta and he was pretty op so I'm going for him
I wouldnt be mad abt getting zhongli tho
do you know what material do i need to ascend Zhongli?
@@RazNMace probably u should kill the geo type boss on the island to get the ascension material for zhongli since he is a geo type
@@Kishisuke i got like 20 of that item now xD
@@RazNMace then u r good i just need to farm pyro regisvine and anemo boss coz i need to be prepared to ascend my diluc and venti level is 70 also fischl with electro boss
I’m going for xiao, because //
1.) husbando
(my only husbando in the game lmao)
2.) OP af
3.) I need an anemo 5* since venti completely avoided me 😔 also hes anemo lancer, cool af
His design is sick and he looks like Qin Shi Huang in FGO hmmm
I’m straight and proud, these characters look fucking dope, i swear I’m not gay
But what if Corpse Husband voices one of these characters?
@@xecute9455 nothing wrong with thinking characters look amazing, it doesn't make you gay, it just means you prefer cool stuff :)
@@xecute9455 who cares if you‘re gay or not lmao
@@sadge1234 He reminds me of both Qin Shi Huang and Lanling Wang. Lanling maybe for his good looks.
It would be cool if they gave out solo character missions for these 5 star characters if you pulled them. For ex, if you pull xiao he has a secret solo mission where you can get good rewards like a specific weapon or artifact for him.
"He looks strong". pretty unvalid, bc we dont know dps health and all that important stuff. rn we only know how he looks, so for now im going for xiao
we know from beta but it can change
Well we know now
@@DarkaiXeno source ?
@@DarkaiXeno not really
@@lilhandsome9496 look up zhongli ultimate vids on yt. Hes the only char that exclusively has a petrify, as well as it being a huge aoe one
How difficult and expensive it is to level up and ascend characters makes me less excited to pull new characters. I'm going to be looking at and more excited for the rate up 4* characters.
am going for Xiao because he's almost like Sasuke , yup .
not me watching this because 2.4 patch is a nightmare
Well to me I'm going to save up my primogem for the cryo character kamisato ayaka btw it's good to know your info as well cody !
Ayy thank you my friend!
Some ppl leaked akaka is free at ar42 you can go for dupe tho
I honestly don’t know why I watch these videos when I just do what I please lol
Well am farming so hard rn for Xiao and he's gonna release on February and I only can play on my bro's laptop and like he's gonna go back to his university on next year and like-
HOW THE FUCK AM I GONNA PULL HIM
* not like this *
I just noticed zhongli’s e skill is a weapon material lol
Fun fact: He's highly hinted to be Rex
@@swordzanderson5352 imagine planning your own funeral😂
@@KevinJusticeWarrior Imagine being a god of fortune that's broke
@@swordzanderson5352 Mannn I'm straight but Zhongli looking good without money low key 😳
@@swordzanderson5352 He ain't broke. Everyone's money is his money. They just don't realise 'til it's too late.
When Zhongli came out, my friends are going to thanks me for my geo pillars.
Only 20 summon left for guaranteed *5, I'm gonna save that chance for Xiao! 😘
Ayyy that's practically guaranteed!
How do u even check the guaranteed counter? I already did around 30-40 pulls, does that mean it'll carry forward just like HI3
@@sougatamajumder5554 it will carry in the next banner don't worry mate...
@@VincentAmadeus great
same, 30 summon left for guaranteed *5
does anyone know if i already pull 5 star on venti banner ( diluc ) and i know the next guaranteed 5 star is venti but i saved up for xiao banner does this means the next guaranteed 5 star is 100% xiao and not become 50 : 50 again ?
Geo users are useful for domains as having the barrier up stops the CD from being extended and stops the excess stamina consumption, so you can play normally in fights
I would highly recommend people mainly F2P to start saving now for whatever banner will arise in Feb for Chinese new year... we already are not getting a lot of content but i can assure you that the content for Feb is gonna be live, so pick these char only if u really like them.
Is it just me or zhongli looks like the mc in king's avatar.
Yess
I can't decide, Xiao ultimate looks extremely powerful on the other hand Shongli abilities looks meh nothing special but he's hot af
We don't know what his skills do yet and haven't even seen his burst skill. He could be crazy OP
zhongli's ult drops meteorite heh
@@xyoopridex it looks like its the 9 pillars itself hmm..
i’m pretty sure zhongli has a s t u n in coop play that is invaluable if this is true it doesn’t matter abt the dps xiao can do zhongli will just come out on top
@@rikka8957 that would be awesome
Couldn't Xiao also go up in the air, if he activates his element skill?
Yeah, I think when you jump - it might be changed just a bit though
Xiao x venti team is going to be insane
@@fseiba6718 I wouldn’t use them in the same team- I don’t like the elemental buff of two anemo users- but like Xiao and Xiangling would be good
I am going for Zhongli even though I have no powerful Anemo users, but Zhongli looks so damn cool for me, he just looks my style.
I'm so conflicted for these two cuz I'm saving up primos for reruns and dunno who to go for I need help but there's also Baal and I just AAAAAAAAA
Have you decided now yet?
Xiao = SAO vibe
Zhong Li = King's Avatar vibe
Alternate title: Luka Couffaine vs Gabriel Agreste
Zhongli is just freaking oppa, I'm going for him
I liked Zhongli's introduction and character during the "Farewell, the Archaic Lord" questline and I want another Geo user. So he's the one I'm pulling for.
I still don’t know if I should get Xiao or Zhongli because I want them both still after watching a bunch of other videos like this
I already lucked into Jean & Sucrose so I absolutely, positively do not NEEEEED another anemo....
But Xiao is sooo pretty!
And damn, Zhongli is hella pretty too 🌹🌹🌹😻😻😻😻
NEED ALL
My actual (also very pretty) husband just cracks up whenever I fangirl over these characters 😋
I want venti but sadly his banner is gone...I hope his banner will return cuz i want him so bad!!!
Me: I want XIAO
Zhongli: ****daddy grunt***
Me: I want Zhongli’s baby. _casually pulls out credit card_
Got Geo Daddy C1, got a Jean in Albedo's banner I'm at 30 pitty and saved up 13 000 primos... I'm sure to have both and I'm going to try to have Xiao C1
I'll probably wait for Qiqi's banner, because I'm already committed to my Razor, I'll pamper him first before I build my own harem later. My baby always comes first before other husbandos.
My money gonna go brr real fast
Only husbandos on my team ✋😌
The only husbandos I need are Xiao, Zhongli, Diluc and Childe
On another note tho I'm going for Klee instead the monster dps girl
Zhongli and Childe since I already have Venti as my Anemo unit so yeah, need to balance out the elements you know (And I heard Xiao banner gonna drop after Klee banner, and then it will be Zhongli so basically Xiao gonna be release before v1.1)
Having two characters of the same element is actually really good for producing energy plus gives a bonus. Xiao and Venti combo is going to be nuts. (Of course it's up to you who you roll for but that's just a thought)
when ever the uploader says “husbando” i keeps on falling inlove with you bro. u got me confused
I was going to pull for Klee, but you made some strong arguments there sir (I'll get them both)