Area 419 Zero Reloading Press (8 month update)
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People that complain about how you spend your money need to go back and watch the video where you asked for their advice.
"I need it, I want it."
That is good enough for me , every day of the week and twice on Sunday!
All the things my gf complains about started by me saying that phrase
The fact that your willing to take as much time as you did to explain to all of us the process, good, bad and indifferent! Is worth its weight in gold! People making those comments paid $1200 for the phone they are criticizing you on!, Hahaha most of them don’t appreciate the time effort and quality precision that goes into a simple machine, that in its simplicity is truly a work of art! And I have to agree it’s pretty sexy!,
Thank you for he video.
Thank you.
I went from loading with a RCBS Partner press for a couple years then upgraded to a Rock Chucker Supreme and a Dillon 550C I was leaning towards a turret press of some kind for a little bit... To each their own buddy this is a badass press I've got the chance to use a buddies. But people complaining about YOU buying a press that YOU wanted with YOUR hard earned money is something I'll never understand... LOL Great video brother keepem coming!!!
You get one and you will enjoy reloading a lot more.
What do they cost?
@@dangerousfreedom4965 $1,275
Well said!
@@marksmith2022 holy cow, are you serious 😅??? That's more than a progressive press
I just wish they would make a progressive press. I'd buy it in a heartbeat if it is of like quality.
Some of us just take pride in owning nice things.. it's that simple.
LOL nobody "needs" a 1961 Ferrari 250 GT California - but if you can afford one Ferris Bueller highly recommends it. If he was also a reloader I would expect him to feel the same way about the Zero Press.
People who complain about the price are really saying "I wish I could afford it". It looks like an awesome system.
Or maybe they are saying it's too much for what it does. Just because it's expensive does not mean it's better, but feel free to buy it.
@@rmattson61 I wish I could afford it. lol
No, I am really saying it’s too much. I am very happy with my Forster coax. I get single-digit ED’s/SD’s. Best thing I ever spent my money on that I can truly say was worth it and I could truly say I saw a difference was my AMP. So far those with this press have not shown me that there is a difference on target.
@@justice1327 I meant that I (me) wish I could afford it. I use the Co-ax too, it works great for me too. I would expect the difference to be in having a press with multiple dies and being able to switch the turret out. Plus it's a beauty. Considering how it's made, it's no surprise it's more expensive.
I see nothing wrong with buying a well made tool you can pass down to the next generation, most stay in the throw it away and buy a new one when it breaks in two years bracket for some reason
Have you ever owned/worked on a T7? Just wondering how you would rate the magnitude of improvement over a T7...
I really like that press, it on my wishlist... Among other things.... Alot of other things..
That said i am still a university student 😂and 22
$ 1200.00 for a glorified Redding T-7. Way above the common mans pay grade.
John, people are going to hate regardless of what you do or your accomplishments. Mostly jealousies, and opinions. I get ragged a lot because I bought a Sartorius Entris II BCE 223i scale with an Auto Trickler V3 set up last year. For me it was a no brainer over the FX120i. Between it and the LabRadar, there is no questioning my results from my load data testing, and the Forster Co-AX press, Neco Concentricity gauge and Hydro press confirms my case prep. The proof is on target and the numbers don't lie. For me,,, That's piece of mind and the reality of it is,, it's my business how I spend my money not any body else's. My most used,, common saying is,, To each, his own. Besides if you guys were not testing out the latest and greatest reloading tools. Guys like me would not know what tools to save our money up for next. I cut my teeth on Lee products when I started reloading and still use some Lee products to date. Mainly 45acp and 9mm. So let'um hate,, I'm loving every thing you are posting and I can't wait for the next video. Thank you Sir. Nothing but respect from ME.😎
Thank you, that's very kind of you and I really appreciate it.
Also would love to see a video of your process!!
Never meant a liberal reloader :)
This press is a copy of a Redding T-7 press
Love mine! Smooth accurate and comfy to use 👍🏻
Totally agree!
That thing is sick, I don't need it but I want it.
Never mind, I just looked at the price. Will stick with my rock chucker and 550c.
I'm off to get some grey and black paint for my Redding T7
Cudos! I have this press also! Zero regrets for me as well! However I am adding the 21st century hydro press & Wilson inline micrometer seating dies to hone in on my loading for F-Class. But again! Zero regrets! I love my zero turret press! 👍🏻
I always say people who cant afford something are always the first to say you don't need to spend the money on something you want. I'm glad you made this video its one of the presses I'm looking at getting.
I bought a 750 to size. I don’t do powder or seating on the Dillon. I thought about buying the 419 just to seat bullets on but it’s a bit short for my 300 rum and forester die, id still have to scoop the bullet in. I do multiple calibers and it’d be nice to leave all my seating dies set. But I went with a ammo master so I didn’t have to scoop bullets in. Not that big of deal to re set dies every now and then
I have a Dillon 550 and a Zero.... I use Dillon for miscelaneous other calibers and the Zero for my precision 308 rifle ammo.... The Dillon has more clearance/slop in the ram connections though...
As much as I love Area 419 products and being a proud OH resident supporting OH business in shooting sports, I can't justify this over my Redding T-7. The price difference isn't made up in the quality and precision. HOWEVER, I do appreciate it and love it, but I just can't.
The accessory tray design baffles me. Too many holes and not enough space for tools.
Money is not an issue, good things are expensive. Can this press do things other cant to justify its price tag? Is it that good? Certainly not, hence I bough it, used it and sold it and got my money back. Currently using a mec marksman. One thing I recall, event with the torque head locked down, mine produced more tolerance than a rigid O frame
I still have my old RCBS JR2. The "Junior" Rockchucker. I tried a Summit Press for a bit, and while it made resizing easier, I didn't really notice a difference otherwise. It'll take a lot to make me move on, but, honestly, when it's time to I'm going to buy something that I know will last and will be quality.
Why did you pick the 419 over other turret presses?
I am running the Redding T7 and love it. I think I have 9 different tool heads for it right now. Mind you I have only had it since 2017 but it’s done great.
I do have a Dillion RL1100 just for pistol stuff where I need speed.
I also use to have a Lyman T-Mag press which served me well.
LOL Zero Regrets Huge Pause.......... Its written all over his face and in his voice. Not being very sincere with the zero regrets part.
I can't imagine decapping on a press that nice. Definitely would keep the press to "clean" operations and not mess up something so nice. Primers have ground glass in them and that residue is abrasive. Not a material I want near a price that is machined so finely.
He has a separate very gucci decapping area and a $600 priming station lol 😆
Ya it's expensive but one of the main reasons I bought it was it is built like a tank and will probably last forever. I've always upgraded every few years and decided no more. One and done.
johnny gotta get rid of the rainbow hex handles LOLLLL
CAN SOMEONE SPEAK TO WHY AN ARBOR PRESS AND WILSON DIE WOULD BE MORE ACCURATE OR CONSISTENT?
IF TIME AND COST ARE NOT A CONSIDERATION.
wilson chamber dies hold the bullet in almost perfect alignment when seating. a normal die only pushes the top/sides of the bullet against the brass case mouth . equals much less run out and more consistency especially when using a dial indicator showing the seating pressure.
Did you find the A419 lock rings to actually make a difference on any die operation? I read their claims but I wonder how much alignment can be skewed. IMHO Without marrying the threads of the die to the ring at production you can still end up with a variance. Thanks for your input. Enjoy your videos. They’ve been very helpful.
Ha! I just bought the Dillon 550 based on your videos and partly because the A419 is not available. I appreciate the follow up videos. As a guy who is not part of a club, I like seeing other processes and hearing thoughts on why you like some things and not so much on others. As you said, I am thinking the 550 will fit my processes I have used and continue to refine over the past 20+ years of reloading.
That's great to hear. It's important to figure what works for you and why and once you do your reloading life will get so much easier.
I'm so close to grabbing a 550c as well.
I bought a 750 after watching his vids and love it. Saving me a ton of time
Can you leave that lock handle a little loose while you use it?
I’m still loving mine too. I dont think you will find anyone with one doesnt love theirs.
That's great to hear.
What gives it the extra accuracy over T-7?
I love mine too. So much leverage and smooth ! The entire set up is so robust. I only wish the tray was die holder instead of for the shells.
Love mine as well! One awesome woman builds every one of them.
Cost$?
$1200 www.area419.com/product/the-zero-reloading-press/
He acts like he can't have the Dillon and that. Its never going to be fast, not going to crank out 9mm, 32 acp, 45 colt, 450 bm, 223 fast. Use the Dillon for what it does best
No way I would trade in my Dillon for that, its something to be used in addition but not replace.
Whats the diameter of the main piston? does not look substantial.
He's a winner!! he's not flipping a handle back and forth making bang bang boom boom.
I sold my Dillon a long time ago and I will never buy another one, way overpriced for what they do, and with a cappy powder measure on top of it...
My only question is why do you need 10 slots for reloading. This is a real question I am just starting in loading
You could have other things in there like I do such as pointing die, bullet puller and so on. Also, some people put two cartridges worth of dies on a single turret.
I’m sure this got answered by why don’t you prep on a Dillion and load and size on the zero
Honestly the cost. I couldn't afford to have both especially if I wasn't really going to use the Dillon for anything other than a couple steps. It would end up being a $3000 decapper and expander and it didn't make sense for me to keep. That's all.
Just got mine and massively disappointed,it cost me $2000 because I live in the uk,waited over a month,and it’s not smooth and if I try to use it slowly it sticks and binds,if I stop ram 1” up it sticks and have to jerk it loose
Does the cover still fit with the rear accessory mount?
Not completely which is unfortunate but it covers enough for me to still be happy.
I'm still using my Rock Chucker that I've had for 30 plus years. Had a Hornady Lock n Load for a couple of years but at that time I was loading for multiple calibers. The changes got tiresome so sold it and back to my Rock Chucker. I'm retired and can do a little or a lot at a time.
I do think that is a great press. More than I need. If it works for you, God Bless.
I’m just here to read comments from the small minded whinging about something that is well made, works as intended, and represents value to you. Anyone that considers this press a major expense doesn’t shoot enough to be taken seriously when discussing competitive precision rifle games. Keep on keeping on.
So do you have to use their dies with it or is it compatible with others, specifically forster?
With rare exception it'll work with any 7/8-14 die like Whidden, Forster, RCBS and others.
@@FClassJohn thanks for the speedy reply, John.
I can't believe it's been 8 months since this press was put in service. Nice.
Yeah it's gone fast.
Thank you for all the great information and videos, watching this one however, cost me a lot of money.. lol
I’ll be retiring my MEC and joining the Zero Club.
I upgraded to a mec marksman just before i saw this come out. I can see and appreciate the great features here but man mrs would kill me if I sank $$ into this.
The MEC is a good press.
Nothing wrong with the MEC, great value for money and runout is more than acceptable for precision reloading - does everything well.
Never, ever, under any circumstances do you tell your wife what you paid for your reloading equipment or guns. You always got a great deal, below half price and then some. If my Sons turn liberal or Dems before I die. "Which is not goin to happen." She is to sell them for 3 times what I said I paid for them.😎
I use to say people were crazy for buying that thing. Now I’m one of the ones getting ready to buy one😂
I'm new in the reloading world. Can you tell me the brand of the dies you're using and all their functions? Thanks
Really enjoy mine.
It looks like they took a Harrell’s turret press and enlarged it for larger then. 308 calibers…something about it just doesn’t feel right…besides cost…glad you like it..not for me
John's videos are entertaining and some are also pretty interesting but y'all got to realize that the man also has a $600 priming tool sitting in the background. Watch for entertainment purposes and formulate your own opinions. Just because he likes it doesn't mean you need to run out and buy one.. A hand primer, Lee classic cast with Hornady LNL insert, high quality dies, and an autotricker/Fx120i gets me solid low runout and low SD's. There are several ways to get to a similar solution.
Well I can perfectly see the use of it when somebody like me is reloading the same calibre for 3 different rifle and use 3 sets of sizing and seating die just because I'm lazy to reset the dies for each rifle ( Bullet puller - Gauge pin - Expander - FL Resize 1 - Seating 1 - FL Resize 2 - Seating 2 - FL Resize 3 - Seating 3) so make 9 stations..would not decap on that press. So perfect, now I only need to find a way to hide it when the delivery men pass the door (LOL)
First
....so did you ever set-up an indicator on top of the resizing die to see how much flex there is ?
The price of this press is crazy for the precision you're getting. Other manufacturers would charge $2k plus all day.
I LOVE my rock chucker supreme..if you dont need a progressive and can load single stage the rcbs rcs is a fantastic affordable press. I load everything on mine and given the chance if in uninterrupted I can really blow through a good 500rd in a couple hours.
I totally get it! I have enough presses to open a reloading store:) I use a Harrell’s turret for. Up to 308, volume on 1050S for handguns, 550 for volume rifle, etc.
I absolutely love my forster coax. I had a Redding turret head press and after a fair amount of use the turret head loosened up and introduced bind into the process. Perhaps Area 419 addressed this problem
What you didn’t like about the Rock Chucker?
I own one for rifle cartridges and a Lyman all-American for pistol/revolver calibers. I’m still an amateur precision shooter, but I’ve been slowly building my reloading bench with any tool that proves go be useful.
I was told to be really careful using compressed air around areas of potential lead contamination/dust ie spent primers as it creates a lead dust cloud. Primers are made from ~35% lead styphnate/peroxide. I use a hepa vacuum to remove debris so that it contains the contamination.
I can see how you would like it, but wouldn't you rather use your new AMP seater so you can get the information on each bullet being seated?
A progressive press ..... does Eric know you have one???
Do you prime and drop powder on the 419? Thanks!
John, have you ever used the mec marksman? If so what’s your opinion?
Hey John can you tell me what tool box you have it mounted on and how you mounted it to the tool box? That's how I want to mount mine but not sure what I need to get
Zero complaints but back to the ol Dillon
Really a cool press. Looks like it needs a sturdy bench and mount.
Would love to get one but I have a press problem I have a few too many
John, at 4:19 you talk about a piece for the Giraud Power Trimmer, I load 223 556, do the make a piece for the caliber.
I have a Giraud Power Trimmer this would be a great processing step for me too TIA, can you send me a link
I had my gunsmith make custom inserts for the Giraud using my reamer so it perfectly matched my brass. There's also this which may help th-cam.com/video/3z1lCtS5Ce8/w-d-xo.html
Zero press aside, the giraud trimmer is definitely one of my forever tools as well. Best trimmer on the market
Lol omg that was quite the slap on a pair a calipers hahaha 😢
I have a turret made in the 40's how is this diffrent?
I know this press doesn't have a powed measure but do you have a preference for a rust preventative to use for your turret press, Primarily for use on and close to the powder measure. I live in Atlanta, and the humidity is killing me! Thank you for any help you can give.
I haven't touched it in two years to be honest from a lubing standpoint so I don't have a great answer for you. I would contact your turret manufacturer and ask what their preferred lube is because they've probably done a fair amount of testing to see what works well for them. In general however I use this amzn.to/3W6Gh21 and amzn.to/3iQpMJa depending on my needs.
If you were a hunter, but also enjoyed shooting 500 rounds a Year, had a decent press already, was kind of a gadget geek, and had $1200 burning a hole in your pocket, would you buy an Amp annealer, or the zero press and sell your old press?
Annealer if I had a decent press already and no good way to anneal.
Some will hate because they can’t afford it and yes there are more expensive presses, but it is unlikely that you can get a more accurate one. The machining that went into this and design of it is just better than so many others. There will be ones who love it and others who disagree, but I doubt that anyone is kicking if they have this press. It can beat your wallet up, but you can save up for it like gear changes with stereo equipment. The chase for higher grade gear is challenging. Don’t let the haters get your goat. Be happy you have one and continue to do the best work you can with it as it is the best press there is in my book. Press on sir!
Thank you I appreciate that.
i just wish i could prime on it too
I'm going to buy one soon...thanks
I like the number of stations and the quality materials and machine work. my question is does it autp-index?
No auto indexing.
Thanks for the update. Very thorough with great information.
John, have you ever done the T7 ? I know the 419 is the top of the line but does the T7 suffice …or not.
I’m sorry but I’ve never used one so I can’t make any kind of comparison.
Thanks John I just ordered one as well I've been using the lyman all american 8 turret press and that thing is sloppy as hell! Can't wait to get the zero
Awesome!
Best turret press ever..
Why have I not seen this
John, just bought one. When I size, I really have to lean on the handle to get the correct bump. To get concentricity, I have to press, turn case and press again. I am talking 2 arms to press on 28 Nosler Hornady brass. About twice the effort as my rock chucker....which makes no sense to me. I tried to call them and have not been able to talk to anyone there about this. Even on an actual bump die, it is crazy the amount of pressure I have to put on it. I mean I am pressing hard against the stops.
So, after the double press, my concentricity is very very good...easily within .001". Then I move the turret to my Wilson expander mandrel die. Lube the neck and run it through the mandrel. Concentricity goes nuts. Lucky to get .004" out of round. Crazy bad. Do you see any of this with your mandrel expander die? I do not like the feel of the wilson mandrels and just trying to figure out what is going on. Not a happy camper when a rockchucker out performs it.
Sorry you're having problems. I don't speak for them and am not affiliated in any way but I haven't had those issues. I now a few friends of mine don't care for the lack of cam-over when sizing but have gotten past that. As far as your mandrel situation, I can't speak to the Wilson versions but I do know that the Porter Precision Gage Pin Holder th-cam.com/video/FX9zMgY5kt8/w-d-xo.html has worked well for me and have zero issues. I also had good luck with the 21st Century mandrels sets. Both of these companies make great expander tools.
One other thing and I only say this because I'm guilty of this, there's times where I turn the turret and forget to tighten the wrench and that will definitely mess up your consistency. I had that happen after seating 100rds of ammo and I realized it after I was done. I've also done it while sizing. After using the press for a while I can't say it's happened recently BUT it does happen and does have a big effect on it.
@@FClassJohn Thanks! I think I am going to loose the Wilson Mandrel dies and go with the Porters. I ended up removing about .030" off the bottom of my die and that fixed the issue with it. My BR 243 die was perfect and just getting to the 65CM. Concentricity was okay on the 243 die. Hoping the 65 is good. The Turret is sweet. I have 3 calibers loaded on it and what a nice time saver. Living in Parker, Az. Almost getting too hot to shoot. Thanks for all the videos. Good stuff👍👍👍
That's cool, thanks for the update!
What’s the biggest caliber or round that will fit in the press.
They say that 338LM is the largest.
Oh no F-Class John, I just order a Dillion 750!
You’ll be very happy with the Dillon 750
Just got zero!! I’ve always de- primed away from main press(rock chucker) I see your de-priming on zero. I guess it’s clean enough?
I was decapping without really any issues and still would be if I hadn't gotten the Lee APP which uses the case feeder from my Dillon so it's a lot faster and easier. Decapping always makes some kind of mess, but I was pretty happy with how the Zero worked to do and minimize the mess.
Sorry I saw your TH-cam on this subject. Thank you.
I have a Dillion 750 for pistols and 223. I'm in the process of building a long range rifle (probably in 6.5 Creedmoor) and working with Wolf Precision. I'm really interested in the Area 419 because I want great quality ammo that can be produced off of it. I'm new to rifle reloading and I was wondering if you would share what brand dies and powder measuring equipment you are using.
I'm using custom Newlon dies right now but also really like the Micron dies from Bullet Central. I have a Prometheus and an AutoTrickler V4 for powder.
@@FClassJohn Thank you. It’s very much appreciated
Good information
in before "Keeping the zero press because it's amazing, but adding a 1050 with autodrive back for brass processing"
One thing I am legitimately curious on though: why did you decide the ol Rockchucker was NOT for you? As someone with three dillon presses and a couple turrets on my bench, I find myself constantly reaching back to the trusty old rockchucker, especially for things like you mention "oops need a quick decap" or "Gotta pull a bullet." These tasks are the exact reason my rockchucker will always be on my personal 'forever list.' Curious where your dislike came from.
Not really a dislike for the chucker. What it really stems from is the fact that I only want one press on my bench. I don’t like a lot of clutter and while I understand the advantages of having multiple presses my goal has always been to have one press that does everything I need and fits my needs the best. They probably would make my life easier if I had multiple presses like you said but it’s just not the way my brain works unfortunately.
I have a Zero as well, along with a T7 and a Rock chucker Supreme and a Dillon RL1100 and a Lee APP for decapping pistol. My rock chucker is my decapping press exclusively to keep the mess out of my Zero and my T7, the very same job the APP performs for my Dillon.. I really like the Zero for my precision ammo and load the other normal fodder on the T7.
I very glad that all you are happy with zero press . Now here’s the but , I’m trying my hardest to trade my zero the the person that bought my co-ax he will not talk to me about . I’m having trouble with the zero and no help from Ohio .
I don't have any direct connection to them that would help but I would continue to try contacting them by email or phone. I know they're been incredibly busy this past 6 months with lots of changes but I would hope they'd get back to you with any problems you're having. Just curious but what problem are you having?
@@FClassJohn Well as looking at the press at about 1 o’clock next to primer drop home the ram is touching the main body and rub off the paint . And it Seems that you have to set die awfully deep to get it to set back shoulder bump . Maybe it me I don’t know trued calling and email both and nothing . Just wish I had my computer -ax back .
Thank you
I plan on buying one of these soon thanks to you.
The idea of setting up the dies and not having to touch them ever again really appeals to me as well as having a specific turret set up permanently for each gun/caliber.
I bought one drom MidwayUSA and love it, buy once and cry once
Hi John, I have a zero press have sized thirty rounds of 6.5 creedmoor brass on and the ram has worn off the coating up near the shell holder. Are you having any issues with the coating on yours ? I’m a little worried about it. I did message Area 419 waiting for a response. Just want your opinion.
Yeah I’ve had a little wear on the ram itself but it seem like once that small area wore a bit it stopped. I’ve talked to them about it and they didn’t seem concerned and I haven’t noticed any degradation in quality. I had the same thoughts as you but the tolerances are so tight I guess it’s inevitable to some small degree.
Thanks John