Just picked up the PC Carbine Magpul take down backpack version today. I want one semi auto carbine for home defense/truck/RV/bugout/survival and this rifle will do all this and more for me in a made in the USA package that accepts Glock & Ruger mags. I am a big fan of Ruger's hunting rifles including the M77 and 10-22 as well as their semi auto pistols. Great job Ruger making another quality weapon in the USA that has so many practical applications.
Bought mine in 2018, had failure to eject after 500 rnds so installed Mcarbo extractor and bolthead pins along with shock buffer and it's run like a top ever since. Always hated frontheavy feel till I installed the Magpul stock kit. Now feels right.
Really good info with the part upgrades. I didn’t see anyone else mention these potential failure points. The consensus is the magpul is definitely the way to go. I’ll be picking one of these up as my next firearm purchase. Thanks from up north 🇨🇦
As Tom stated. PC Carbine owners would do their weapons justice by upgrading some of the internal parts sold by MCarbo. I had issues with FTE's until I upgraded, and then it never had a problem again.
I've got one of the first run PC Carbines well over 5000 rounds through it. Not a single hiccup though I am pretty religious about cleaning it after range day. Regular Stock, Zhukov Forend, SeeAll Open Site, and Steel Ruger Mags...Its a Lazerbeam out to 100. Next upgrade is that Backpacker stock to lose some weight. GREAT VIDEO.
Very good review, not the usual social influencer kind. I have a somewhat early one that came in the black plastic stock, which isn’t bad, but I bought the Magpul stock in FDE since I’m moving to the desert. I like it for the tougher small game up thru coyotes. I have a double optic setup, micro red dot and a 2-7 rimfire scope if using for hunting. I’ve got a bunch of 9BPLE, which is just dynamite in this barrel. It’s hitting about 1600fps and even at 50-75 yds, still expands great. I wanted a CZ 22mag semi-auto, but they discontinued it, so this is taking the place of it, while also making a good SD gun with the red dot. And it costs no more to feed than a 22mag, with surprisingly good accuracy. It really doesn’t give up accuracy to an 22mag, and kills with far more authority.
I have a 9 mm RUGER PC chassis carbine. BUT WHAT THE HELL IS THIS?? My PC chassis carbine has all the stuff you did (with an MCARBO bolt recoil pad), MCARBO mag release lever and mini brake. Plus a LOT of MAGPUL furniture, MBUS sights, sling, etc. I also have the OEM stock on a Midwest Industries folding stock. A HOLOSUN AEMS circle dot sight sits on top and IMHO it is THE best PCC sight. ** In my MAGPUL pistol grip I keep all the Allen and TORX wrenches I need plus spare batteries for the AEMS.
The magpul stock looks like it solved the number one problem I have which is the sling stud under the butt of the stock. Also when shooting a “Rifle & Pistol Challenge” the factory trigger.... needs work. My hesitation to the magpul stock it I like to grab all they way out by the front of the rifle and push my elbow through my sling.
I just ordered one today in Commiefornia.....grew up in Chicago so I was interested in your review. I ordered the Mcarbo kit/springs....will check out the main spring and plate too. It's my first "plinker" carbine & I am looking forward to trying it out. Thx for your great review.
😂 this was one of the worst rifles I ever bought. I should have left the stock mag assembly in place. That Glock mag well sucks. The thirty round sticks would wobble like a loose tooth. I have heard though that not changing that unit out makes for a better shooting experience.
Excellent video 😮😊 great information..I've had several, got gid of them because of reliability issues..now I'm going for another..what don't you like about chassis model.?? I need a collapsible stock ..?? 😂 Thanks for the excellent video 😊new sub .!!😮😊😊😊
This is one of the most underrated gun channels out there right now. Fantastic content, keep it up! What torque wrench/screwdriver set do you recommend for "gunsmithing"? Thank you!
I have the Chassis (19122) version. I use it as a "Truck Gun" as well as for occasional plinking. My rifle is pretty accurate out to 150 yards but I honestly haven't tried anything further. I love the upgrades you did. I've often looked at my stock blowback system and wondered just how "safe" this plastic stop really is? Great video!
Crazy how accurate it is out to 100 and even 150 yards right? Especially for a 9mm. The upgrades make a significant difference for sure. Thanks for the great feedback and good luck with any upgrades. Let us know how you did. Thanks for watching!
A fun gun to shoot. Too heavy to use as a "Backpack" gun. The bckpacker stock does help but it is still too heavy. I would say a "Backpack" gun should weigh 4 pounds. This kind of rules out any blowback system which requires a heavy bolt.
First time seeing your channel. Excellent! It bothers me though that after dropping a grand on this rifle, that any mods have to be done. This fine video begs another one comparing this Ruger to the new S&W and Henry offerings in this class. Thank you!
I just bought this gun can you please link the items you used for your upgrades. I have been out of shooting for numerous years like 25 and am just starting up again.
The 21rd 9mm Glock PMAG fits PERFECTLY in the stock storage space. Pretty sure it was made for that. Also, didn't hear it mentioned, but there's a smaller storage space in the grip that appears to be moisture resistant. Great place to keep the included allen wrenches, etc...
I had the worst luck with my Ruger 10/22. It has major issues with feeding and ejecting. Of course it's cleaned and I tried many different types of ammo, it happens on all of them. I upgraded all the internals and still has issues. I got a dud for sure. That kinda put a bad taste in my mouth for Ruger. My Ruger SR9c works flawlessly!
@@Thomas-yw9eo stock ruger magazines / even the 10 round mag does the same time. I've tried all different types of ammo, and cleaned / oiled the gun... Nothing helps!
@@Jasonoid Final solution is to ship it to the factory to correct the possible defect. I've done that twice to guns from reputable companies with great results. Only hassles are the wait to get it back. Some companies like S&W will pay for shipping but I don't know about Ruger. Glock didn't.
@@tommccormick9290 bad thing is UPS doesn't ship guns for private individuals anymore. I'm not sure how FEDEX is now. I called them up a bit ago and they gave me a form to ship it back with. Ruger requires me to pay shipping which isn't horrible.
Got some stuff for a LCP II 22 from mccarbo. Reasonable prices. I thought. & a few things from another company. Before I found all the stuff online,put a older brick of cci through it + some cheap ammo I had around..all straight out of the box. As is no lube or anything. Very Minimal cleaning .2-3 ammo related malfunctions. parts arrived & I started working on it without the right punch set /tools on a block I made with a scrap of 2x4. Dead tiered,hunched over the coffee table,after midnight & some beers..gun ran great (heard more than 1 person talking about 2-3-4 returns to ruger for warrantee work & pistol still not working right)long story long…mine is in pieces in a cigar box still. Boogerd up a pin or 2 .didn’t know what I was doing. How much should it cost for a real gunsmith to fix it up for me?in NC? Advice? Thx.
Hi Mary. Unless you damaged a component I can't imagine they'd charge a ton bc it's pretty simple work. Do you know anyone who has gun knowledge bc they might be able to help as well. Good luck and hope it works out. Also don't give up. Everyone starts sometime and we've all had our issues. Kudos for being brace enough to try. You'll get there before you know it 😉
I should add that I didn't clean it since factory but now I did take it apart. Easy to go through a lot of rounds with this carbine, and you are going to get carboned up at some point.
So let me get this right: we spend $700 for this rifle then have to spend more money to replace all the crap plastic/cast junk parts to make it work? Or better choice just buy a Beretta CX4 9mm carbine that has been proven with years of police and military use for same money......oh but it doesn't take Glock mags? Boo Hoo. I pass on this turd.
Ok, so you don't like the Ruger. Well I think the Beretta is a piece of crap in that it's an ugly mother with it's pistol grip and the controls are in awkward positions. The sights are shit and the trigger has a lot of slop, so not the great gun you claim.
@@peterhealey2668 That Beretta CX4 is police and military issue Goober......both semi and full auto SMG versions with 100% proven track record over years of use......but your girly fingers can't handle that military trigger, so go with that sporty Ruger that will fall apart after 1,000 rounds......go back to your video games kid..Call Of Duty is waiting...
@@chadhaire1711 When I spoke about the gun I wasn't making a personal attack on you, just saying I didn't like the rifle but you want to get offended and start bitching like a child. Maybe you should take a look at yourself and try and calm your anger.
Loved the video and just purchased one. Am looking to do some of the upgrades you mentioned. What do ypu think of the M*Carbo Ruger PCC Performance Package?
Can i swap the front end magpul handguard with the midwest industries mlok? i know that it probably wont be able to be "taken down and fit together" but i want to explore replacing that piece only while keeping the magpul stock and hand grip option. Thank you!
So glad to see this video, even a year late.. gonna work on some of these upgrades, really like the Magpul stock and thinking about the stiffer springs...
Notice you had a QD sling was wondering how you attached it to the stock in front of the rifle, I have the same rifle and cutey sling, but can’t seem to find the part in order to attach it to the rifle.
My model with the MLOK handguard is very front heavy. I wish I got the standard base model. The Magpul stock might not have been out at the time. I had one FTE in the first mag. The following 800 rounds (FMJ, JHP, +P, ARX) ran flawlessly.
Good video, good of you to go over the replacement and “wear” parts. I figure on replacing the extractor, ejector, and magazine release internals (to not chew up Glock mags) with MCarbo parts after a few range trips.
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This is one of the few options for a semi modern rifle in states with “assault weapon” bans.
Imagine the deer hunting capability if this was in 10mm
THAT WOULD BE AWESOME!
Just picked up the PC Carbine Magpul take down backpack version today. I want one semi auto carbine for home defense/truck/RV/bugout/survival and this rifle will do all this and more for me in a made in the USA package that accepts Glock & Ruger mags. I am a big fan of Ruger's hunting rifles including the M77 and 10-22 as well as their semi auto pistols. Great job Ruger making another quality weapon in the USA that has so many practical applications.
Bought mine in 2018, had failure to eject after 500 rnds so installed Mcarbo extractor and bolthead pins along with shock buffer and it's run like a top ever since. Always hated frontheavy feel till I installed the Magpul stock kit. Now feels right.
Did all the same upgrades, for the same reason, couldn't be happier. Thing runs like a dream, love this gun
Thx for the advice.
Brilliant suggestions on the minor upgrades - due to this I became your newest member!
Thanks for the info on the Upgrades, is it possible for you to post a list of the products you used for the upgrades
Really good info with the part upgrades. I didn’t see anyone else mention these potential failure points. The consensus is the magpul is definitely the way to go. I’ll be picking one of these up as my next firearm purchase. Thanks from up north 🇨🇦
As Tom stated. PC Carbine owners would do their weapons justice by upgrading some of the internal parts sold by MCarbo. I had issues with FTE's until I upgraded, and then it never had a problem again.
This video is throughly enjoyable. You helped me make up my mind between the backpacker stock and the free floating handguard model. Thnx
Thanks JW. So glad it helped. Enjoy and good luck. Thanks for watching.
I've got one of the first run PC Carbines well over 5000 rounds through it. Not a single hiccup though I am pretty religious about cleaning it after range day. Regular Stock, Zhukov Forend, SeeAll Open Site, and Steel Ruger Mags...Its a Lazerbeam out to 100. Next upgrade is that Backpacker stock to lose some weight. GREAT VIDEO.
U can keep a g 26 magazine when u have it taken down
Thanks for watching and for the information.
Just picked up mine yesterday! Your video was one of the main ones that helped me make my decision, thanks for the breakdown!
Awesome. Glad we could help. Thanks for watching and enjoy the gun.
Very good review, not the usual social influencer kind. I have a somewhat early one that came in the black plastic stock, which isn’t bad, but I bought the Magpul stock in FDE since I’m moving to the desert. I like it for the tougher small game up thru coyotes. I have a double optic setup, micro red dot and a 2-7 rimfire scope if using for hunting. I’ve got a bunch of 9BPLE, which is just dynamite in this barrel. It’s hitting about 1600fps and even at 50-75 yds, still expands great. I wanted a CZ 22mag semi-auto, but they discontinued it, so this is taking the place of it, while also making a good SD gun with the red dot. And it costs no more to feed than a 22mag, with surprisingly good accuracy. It really doesn’t give up accuracy to an 22mag, and kills with far more authority.
I have a 9 mm RUGER PC chassis carbine. BUT WHAT THE HELL IS THIS??
My PC chassis carbine has all the stuff you did (with an MCARBO bolt recoil pad), MCARBO mag release lever and mini brake. Plus a LOT of MAGPUL furniture, MBUS sights, sling, etc. I also have the OEM stock on a Midwest Industries folding stock. A HOLOSUN AEMS circle dot sight sits on top and IMHO it is THE best PCC sight.
** In my MAGPUL pistol grip I keep all the Allen and TORX wrenches I need plus spare batteries for the AEMS.
I've had about 400 rounds through mine. One stovepipe.
It's reliable for sure.
Could they have made it any uglier?? The older PC carbines looked better than the newer ones, IMO.
Can't argue much J DAM. Nice gun but not best looking gun. Thanks for watching
It breaks down and is 50% shorter for backpacking
I LOVE That Magpul Stock,
Great Video... I Have
This PCC & I Love It, I Have
3 Fun Stick's & 3 G19 Mag's...
The magpul stock looks like it solved the number one problem I have which is the sling stud under the butt of the stock. Also when shooting a “Rifle & Pistol Challenge” the factory trigger.... needs work. My hesitation to the magpul stock it I like to grab all they way out by the front of the rifle and push my elbow through my sling.
I just ordered one today in Commiefornia.....grew up in Chicago so I was interested in your review. I ordered the Mcarbo kit/springs....will check out the main spring and plate too. It's my first "plinker" carbine & I am looking forward to trying it out. Thx for your great review.
😂 this was one of the worst rifles I ever bought.
I should have left the stock mag assembly in place. That Glock mag well sucks. The thirty round sticks would wobble like a loose tooth.
I have heard though that not changing that unit out makes for a better shooting experience.
Thanks for the specific upgrade info. I think many of us would like to see some hollow-point defensive ammo run through it.
Excellent video 😮😊 great information..I've had several, got gid of them because of reliability issues..now I'm going for another..what don't you like about chassis model.?? I need a collapsible stock ..?? 😂 Thanks for the excellent video 😊new sub .!!😮😊😊😊
This is one of the most underrated gun channels out there right now. Fantastic content, keep it up! What torque wrench/screwdriver set do you recommend for "gunsmithing"? Thank you!
I have the Chassis (19122) version. I use it as a "Truck Gun" as well as for occasional plinking. My rifle is pretty accurate out to 150 yards but I honestly haven't tried anything further.
I love the upgrades you did. I've often looked at my stock blowback system and wondered just how "safe" this plastic stop really is?
Great video!
Crazy how accurate it is out to 100 and even 150 yards right? Especially for a 9mm. The upgrades make a significant difference for sure. Thanks for the great feedback and good luck with any upgrades. Let us know how you did. Thanks for watching!
no reason to try out that far with a 9mm imo. not what it's built to do. i think the drop for 9mm at 200 yds is like 30 in?
I have the chassis model. This is a good gun, we have a few PCCs this one holds up with guns that were twice the price. Good video thanks
Thanks
I love mine. MCARBO overhaul with Volquarsten trigger pack. Upgrades make a huge difference. Night and day.
Agreed. Minor overhauls can make a big difference. Thanks for watching!
So whats the total upgrade cost. I'm thinking of buying the basic Ruger, then oordering the Magpul stock in FDE.
A fun gun to shoot. Too heavy to use as a "Backpack" gun. The bckpacker stock does help but it is still too heavy. I would say a "Backpack" gun should weigh 4 pounds. This kind of rules out any blowback system which requires a heavy bolt.
Idk for me it comes down to grouping that defines accuracy. 10/22 take down is famous accuracy to shift.
Great video I have been wanting one since they came out!!
You'll enjoy it for sure. Very nice gun with multiple uses for sure. Thanks for watching.
Could you make a list of the up grade you did to this gun and post them please.
Just got this gun and want to do this upgrades to mine.
RUGER's cold hammer forged barrel is truly world class.
First time seeing your channel. Excellent! It bothers me though that after dropping a grand on this rifle, that any mods have to be done. This fine video begs another one comparing this Ruger to the new S&W and Henry offerings in this class. Thank you!
Very helpful upgrades. Thank you.
For the cost of the Ruger PCC it needs to come with quality components.
I just bought this gun can you please link the items you used for your upgrades. I have been out of shooting for numerous years like 25 and am just starting up again.
I had issues with the PMC in my first 150 rounds. About 5 stove pipes.
Does mounting the optic on the rail hold zero? Ideally you mount on the barrel.
Rather have the stock in camouflage
Try switching the rear QD to the other side. It will hang better.
Nice review and discussion. My bank account is scared now.
The 21rd 9mm Glock PMAG fits PERFECTLY in the stock storage space. Pretty sure it was made for that. Also, didn't hear it mentioned, but there's a smaller storage space in the grip that appears to be moisture resistant. Great place to keep the included allen wrenches, etc...
Agree 100%
I have this in .40 S&W and recently installed a Magpul Backpacker stock on it. I much prefer the Backpacker stock.
Sounds awesome
I had the worst luck with my Ruger 10/22. It has major issues with feeding and ejecting. Of course it's cleaned and I tried many different types of ammo, it happens on all of them. I upgraded all the internals and still has issues. I got a dud for sure.
That kinda put a bad taste in my mouth for Ruger. My Ruger SR9c works flawlessly!
What type of magazines were you using? Sometimes problems can also arise with cheap, bulk ammo.
Sounds like you might have a problem from cheap bulk ammo. Try some quality ammo like CCI.
@@Thomas-yw9eo stock ruger magazines / even the 10 round mag does the same time. I've tried all different types of ammo, and cleaned / oiled the gun... Nothing helps!
@@Jasonoid Final solution is to ship it to the factory to correct the possible defect. I've done that twice to guns from reputable companies with great results. Only hassles are the wait to get it back. Some companies like S&W will pay for shipping but I don't know about Ruger. Glock didn't.
@@tommccormick9290 bad thing is UPS doesn't ship guns for private individuals anymore. I'm not sure how FEDEX is now. I called them up a bit ago and they gave me a form to ship it back with. Ruger requires me to pay shipping which isn't horrible.
Got some stuff for a LCP II 22 from mccarbo. Reasonable prices. I thought. & a few things from another company. Before I found all the stuff online,put a older brick of cci through it + some cheap ammo I had around..all straight out of the box. As is no lube or anything. Very Minimal cleaning .2-3 ammo related malfunctions. parts arrived & I started working on it without the right punch set /tools on a block I made with a scrap of 2x4. Dead tiered,hunched over the coffee table,after midnight & some beers..gun ran great (heard more than 1 person talking about 2-3-4 returns to ruger for warrantee work & pistol still not working right)long story long…mine is in pieces in a cigar box still. Boogerd up a pin or 2 .didn’t know what I was doing. How much should it cost for a real gunsmith to fix it up for me?in NC? Advice? Thx.
Hi Mary. Unless you damaged a component I can't imagine they'd charge a ton bc it's pretty simple work. Do you know anyone who has gun knowledge bc they might be able to help as well. Good luck and hope it works out. Also don't give up. Everyone starts sometime and we've all had our issues. Kudos for being brace enough to try. You'll get there before you know it 😉
Did ruger ever upgrade any of these issues from factory.
Do you know what the length of pull is ? Thanks
I should add that I didn't clean it since factory but now I did take it apart. Easy to go through a lot of rounds with this carbine, and you are going to get carboned up at some point.
Yes. This is a gun that needs to be cleaned fir sure
im a mash the threads over tightening type of guy lol
Did you change to a polymer magazine catch as to not mess up glock magazines
Yup, that is critically important in order to protect the “lip” on the Glock mags. So many people ignore that fact.
@@colt10mmsecurity68 where did you get the polymer mag catch from
Will it run the magpul rotary mag?
How does it run with hollowpoints?
Off topic I know but you guys know what to do. Subscribed. Thx
Thanks and welcome to the midmagger community.
So let me get this right: we spend $700 for this rifle then have to spend more money to replace all the crap plastic/cast junk parts to make it work? Or better choice just buy a Beretta CX4 9mm carbine that has been proven with years of police and military use for same money......oh but it doesn't take Glock mags? Boo Hoo. I pass on this turd.
Ok, so you don't like the Ruger. Well I think the Beretta is a piece of crap in that it's an ugly mother with it's pistol grip and the controls are in awkward positions. The sights are shit and the trigger has a lot of slop, so not the great gun you claim.
Lol!
@@peterhealey2668 That Beretta CX4 is police and military issue Goober......both semi and full auto SMG versions with 100% proven track record over years of use......but your girly fingers can't handle that military trigger, so go with that sporty Ruger that will fall apart after 1,000 rounds......go back to your video games kid..Call Of Duty is waiting...
@@chadhaire1711 When I spoke about the gun I wasn't making a personal attack on you, just saying I didn't like the rifle but you want to get offended and start bitching like a child. Maybe you should take a look at yourself and try and calm your anger.
How does it compare to the Henry
Great question and I honestly can't answer that bc I haven't had the pleasure of shooting one. Sorry. Thanks for watching
Thousand bucks with tax n back-round check for a PCC.... smh..... Nice lil carbine though... be well.
Huh?
$625 out the door…
(Not bad for 2023. More like $425 back in 2018).
Perfect “Gray-Man” gun.
I concur. Nice job gentlemen.
Thanks for watching 👍
Loved the video and just purchased one. Am looking to do some of the upgrades you mentioned. What do ypu think of the M*Carbo Ruger PCC Performance Package?
MCarbo really made some great improvements, even the trigger pull they did made a huge difference. Great piece!
Thanks
As of 2023 I can't find an MCARBO trigger fix. They must have dropped it.
Thanks guys!
Guns are awesome but you need to spend more time on the toothbrush.
Really? That's productive.
needs a new hobby
Says utubejoe11 lol
Can i swap the front end magpul handguard with the midwest industries mlok? i know that it probably wont be able to be "taken down and fit together" but i want to explore replacing that piece only while keeping the magpul stock and hand grip option. Thank you!
Where did you buy the buffer at and the spring?
Believe this one was Midway USA.
Great info. Thanks!
Thank you
So glad to see this video, even a year late.. gonna work on some of these upgrades, really like the Magpul stock and thinking about the stiffer springs...
Thank you for the information!! I thought of purchasing one but I am not going to pay around 820$ and then have to upgrade it .
Notice you had a QD sling was wondering how you attached it to the stock in front of the rifle, I have the same rifle and cutey sling, but can’t seem to find the part in order to attach it to the rifle.
Great video. Did you say what scope was on the rifle? Anyone know?
Y'all sure don't look like salesmen but you went and sold me on this.
What kind of scope are you using
In the video they stated it was an Aimpoint PRO
Darkstar is right - Aimpoint PRO.
As always, thanks Darkstar! You're a rock star my friend.
Well you can use that for fence posts for all I care.
WOULD YOU STILL OWN THIS IF YOU DID NO UPGRADES???
This a super resourceful video!!! 👍
Put a binary trigger in it. Trust me lol
My model with the MLOK handguard is very front heavy. I wish I got the standard base model. The Magpul stock might not have been out at the time.
I had one FTE in the first mag. The following 800 rounds (FMJ, JHP, +P, ARX) ran flawlessly.
The MLOK version could be upgraded to the magpul stock but you may need to buy a few extra parts from the research I did.
What scope is that? great video
What charging handle is that?
👍
Thanks for watching 👍
Just bought one today
Why is this $9xx?
Any idea how much lighter the Magpul stock is?
Honestly not that much
.6lb
I've bought the internal upgrades too..haven't installed them yet..but I know it's coming..
Good idea. Well worth it. Thanks for sharing and for watching.
Best review yet
Where to get these obscure parts?
MCARBO has different upgrade packages and runs sales regularly.
Good video, good of you to go over the replacement and “wear” parts.
I figure on replacing the extractor, ejector, and magazine release internals (to not chew up Glock mags) with MCarbo parts after a few range trips.
i set mine up for a 400 yard zero. 🤣