@@sammymaestro7642 reinventing what wasn’t necessary for an already questionable interior is not what I would call “perfect”. But sure, you love it so that’s all that matters then.👍🏿
Try to not interrupt each other as much as you are interrupting out listening! Sometimes I'm really interested in what one of you are saying and then another will cut him short mid sentence!
I like the “old car with a modern drivetrain” question! For me, a Z32 300ZX TT with a BMW G82 M4 xDrive drivetrain sounds perfect, as the Z32 was my first car love 😊
No, you are mental. The original ML was huge pile of steaming turd when introduced because Mercedes-Benz wanted to save $500 per ML. "Penny wise, pound foolish"...
Chrysler 200S goes about 5.7 0-60. I had to look it up. Great episode! First time actually watching a car podcast the full way through. I usually just skip to the parts that seem interesting. Would love to see more interesting auctions or stories about the cars that did or didn't get listed!
Everyone also said "finally" when the original Honda NSX ended production in 2005 after 15 years, but now they are lauded as one of the best analogue sports cars of all time and the prices for the ones from the last few years have gone waaaaay up. The R35 GT-R will have its day in the future just like that.
@@rileygally2967 Just under 19,000 original NSXs made, with around 40,000 R35 GT-Rs made. So not silly numbers. God knows how many are left in stock condition though.
RIP the GT-R. I had an R33 in London, and then I came to the US and I got a 2009 R35 and it was amazing (despite really being a Fairlady, not a Skyline - but that's OK). I traded it up for a 2015 R35 because they finally made the suspension comfortable, and I still have it today. It is still far far far more car than you could ever need on the public road, 100% reliable, comfortable, extremely practical daily driver, and a fantastic long-distance cruiser. Nissan lost money with every one they sold, and it never enhanced their brand and sold the cheaper stuff. I understand why it's over, but it's still sad. No you can't have mine.
Final GTR is in Millennium Jade. Which was also shared by the Nür R34. I saw a R34 GTT repainted in this colour in Adelaide. Its stunning colour. But yes. It is technically old man beige/champagne.
Enjoyed listening to the guys reminisce about starting the company. Keenan’s explanation about not just working for a paycheck but putting in long hours to see this thing grow was heartwarming
"How do you justify buying a new Cayenne?" - dude, if most people were thinking like this, few people would be buying new cars, the industry would shrink, new cars would cost significantly more (due to economies of scale), old cars would shoot up in value by the same multiplier as new ones, and you'd be asking "how do you justify buying any interesting car?". In other words, it's thanks to people buying new cars that not only we, enthusiasts, but even just regular people have access to many good 2nd hand cars at reasonable prices.
Mitsubishi in the 90s... Eclipse and 300GT both under the DSM umbrella and the only remnant was the 4G63. Doug is correct as they, themselves, didn't develop for the future.
The original Volkswagen Beetle sold from 1938 to 2003. And sold 21.5 million cars. Why is making the same car with only 2 or so updates a bad thing ? It breeds reliability. Look at the G Wagon from 1979 to today and looks still very similar from its launch. The Mazda Miata has really been a very similar formula and looks also very much just the same way and similar light weight since its launch in 1989. And people love that. The Porsche 911 looks very similar also since its birth in 1963 to today. And is a cult car. 17 years is nothing.
Second gen Cayenne transmission is made by Aisin (Toyota OEM supplier). Base is actually the best driving experience because its nose-light and VR6 while the interior and chassis is Turbo S spec.
More than 20 years ago, I remember sitting in a brand new GtR in Fukuoka, Japan. It had at the time only the max 280 HP but the interior and the seats were so exciting.
280 horsepowers is due to the "gentlemen's agreement" amongst the Japanese manufacturers. In reality, many of them are higher than the "advertised" figure of 280 hp.
@@chk2711 did you try at only one dealership or all over the country? Perhaps you could just place a factory order for one at M.S.R.P. That car in jade green is spectacular! If you get one don’t modify it !!! 🤢🤮
Kennan, please look at the gen ii vipers. Especially 01,02 you get ac abs and a way better interior. Look at shapphire blue and cognac interior. (01 only for shapphire blue
Actually the Meyers Manx SR started both scissor doors and forward sloping rear wheel arches. Bruce Meyers RIP was a genius designer. His dune buggy’s overshadowed the SR but the SR (Street Roadster) was cool.
Had two M3' convertibless, not a bit of prblems with either, bored me to death would never go back. Went to a Jag X150 convertible and a Boxster. BMW's are anything but exciting
Now that the anniversary of C & B is here… I sold a 2001 Boxster S on C & B towards the beginning of the site with no reserve and made money!! Thanks Cars and Bids Team!!
I believe the Tourbillon's engine only powers the rear wheels and the four-wheel-drive comes from the electric motors. Means they can stuff the batteries into the central tunnel instead of a driveshaft.
1:00:20 - you already mentioned the DeLorean, and I know a lot of folks put an LS in there and it's fantastic - transforms the car. Chassis by Colin Chapman - there's a reason they cal them the "Irish Esprit". The other obvious one is a Lotus Seven with a modern Ford 2.3L engine. Obvious because oh hey I have one and it's awesome :-)
I just saw a Montero Sport on the road for the first time ever a couple days ago and it just looks like a Toyota Highlander or any other Japanese 4 door mid-size suv at the time. How can you hate that?
Stubby doors compared to Koenigsegg Gemera. The only car I really want. Tourbillion makes me thing of watch snobs too much. The only think Gemera doesn't do is the sound, otherwise it has more seats and cargo space and more power. A lot more in the case of the V8.
DeLorean was my first thought related to movie cars, but don’t forget what in terrible lackluster car The smoky in the bandit Trans Am was. Especially the sequel cars that were the turbo small v8
When you see Jeep advertising in 2024 for the next model year, it feels a bit like when you visit an old relative on his deathbed with oxygen and monitors attached to his chest and the dying person begins to tell you what his plans are for next summer.
Something tells me that one of these sedans, whether it be the Subaru legacy or the Volvo S60, is gonna pull a bait and switch on us. What that means is they discontinued the car right before announcing they’re bringing it back. They did the same thing with the Chevy bolt and the Nissan kicks
As for why Cayennes are so credo, my cousin just got a bill for 20k for a few simple repairs, wheels balancing and tires. Good forbid there some deferred maintenance
Not sure if old enough car to count but I'd like a lancia delta integrale with a tesla drivetrain somehow crammed in. Obviously I'd start from a shell with a dead engine. I hear it's already 'common' to cannibalize good engine ones and good chassis ones to keep complete ones going... and i'm sure the same is true for many other models.
15K for an RSX Type - S is insane. I had one from in 2005 - 2009 and it was ....fine. I don't really miss it. Meanwhile i still have the 2009 SI sedan (unmodified) that was my next car. I would miss that one. Same engine, better looks, more practical, LSD, WAY BETTER transmission feel. It isn't my daily but i smile when i drive it. Both are very slow...SI slightly slower i believe but it sounds much better stock.
I'm an Australian and Mitsubishi is doing ok but Mitsubishi needs more fun cars There's the Outlander Sport still on sale and is going to replaced soon by a re badged Renualt Capture. The Colt is coming back but based the Clio
Mitsubishi failed through the Diamond-star partnership. EVERY Eclipse that departed that factory, as well as the Dodge Avenger, had clear coat failure. It happened to my 2003 Black Eclipse GT at 12,000 miles and Mitsubishi would do nothing to help me, or anyone else. Anytime you see a Eclipse, Avenger, they will all have Clearcoat failure. I lost $20k on the car and never considered a car from them again.
Can’t believe they didn’t discuss the steering wheel watch design.
It’s a stupid gimmick anyways. Ruins the interior even more.
@@gaara4667don’t be mad that we can’t afford it 😂
@@gaara4667you have a weird perspective, it's a perfect gimmick and it works for the kind of car it is
@@sammymaestro7642 reinventing what wasn’t necessary for an already questionable interior is not what I would call “perfect”. But sure, you love it so that’s all that matters then.👍🏿
Thought Kennan would since he's a watch guy
As a watch guy, the Bugatti Tourbillon is the coolest hypercar ever. The visible gears in the speedometer is brilliant
Too bad it’s vapor ware. They produced a computer generated video b😊
@@DoctorSkillzwhat did Bugatti do to you
@@DoctorSkillz They'll update that chronograph gage cluster with an "over the air update". Now that would be a trick! Elon might try it.
@@IceColdH2O Disappoint me with their product and you all fell for it
As a watch guy 😂
i refuse to believe that you talked about people mispronouncing tourbillion, just to mispronounce chiron right after 😭
Hahaha, that also what I was thinking. Did he just call it the "sherooon"?
@@RML0317 he’s always done that lol but i just found it a little funny and ironic
Sheroonnnnee
Mr. DeMuro is a master of automotive name butchery, and he does so blithely😁
Doug: the jade green over bronze isn’t good
Also Doug: I like white cars
Smh
Green over bronze is amazing 🔥🔥🔥
Doug's (the kind of guy who might be) a bit color challenged. I've been noticing this for a while.
The white cars are as nice as Green cars.
Try to not interrupt each other as much as you are interrupting out listening! Sometimes I'm really interested in what one of you are saying and then another will cut him short mid sentence!
THIS
I love how Kennan was yawning during the Jeep talk.
Perfectly sums up their dynamic
I like the “old car with a modern drivetrain” question! For me, a Z32 300ZX TT with a BMW G82 M4 xDrive drivetrain sounds perfect, as the Z32 was my first car love 😊
good for you, this is not about you
That car was my first love too!
How about a C7 or C8 'vette engine in a 2008 Jag XJ Vanden Plas! Ahhh, perfection 😁
I want to thank Doug and the Cars&Bids crew for all the hard work they do because without y'all, I would not have the car I have now.
Well what car do you have mate?
@@DoctorSkillz Volvo 240 wagon. If you want more specifics, it’s the red one that sold in March 2023 for $6,969.
@@SiR_Froggo_IIInice
“The Countach started the gullwing doors” sir the Mercedes 300 SL would like to have a word with you….
Countach is the "scissor doors" while 300 SL is "gullwing doors".
Yeah, another Doug non-fact. If you had a drinking game based on them I doubt you'd make it through a podcast.
Scissor & gullwing doors are not the same, Douglas was correct 🤷♂️
@@InTeCredoand neither is what the bugatti has which is butterfly doors😂
@@NaRdo_Slay27 🤡
Doug must be mental, that original ML was one of the greatest cars ever made. It was a luxurious offroader - period. And a capable one.
No, you are mental. The original ML was huge pile of steaming turd when introduced because Mercedes-Benz wanted to save $500 per ML. "Penny wise, pound foolish"...
Im addicted to this podcast now. The car nerd in me just wants more, i cant control it anymore
Day 76 of asking Doug to wear a different colored cars and bids shirt
lol he probably won’t
At least he got a haircut 💇 😂….
Keep going. With the days thing
Yes here we are. Counting numbers to decide if a thing is worth endorsement or not. I’m a bit unhappy about this being the market.
Consider polo shirts?
Chrysler 200S goes about 5.7 0-60. I had to look it up. Great episode! First time actually watching a car podcast the full way through. I usually just skip to the parts that seem interesting. Would love to see more interesting auctions or stories about the cars that did or didn't get listed!
Everyone also said "finally" when the original Honda NSX ended production in 2005 after 15 years, but now they are lauded as one of the best analogue sports cars of all time and the prices for the ones from the last few years have gone waaaaay up.
The R35 GT-R will have its day in the future just like that.
Fair point, but didn’t they make way more GTR’s?
@@rileygally2967 Just under 19,000 original NSXs made, with around 40,000 R35 GT-Rs made. So not silly numbers.
God knows how many are left in stock condition though.
Will be hard to find a stock R35 in the future. The people that bought them modified them immediately.
stock will be another history. when the sound electric trolley become norm. godzilla will be the saviors.. still my dream car
RIP the GT-R. I had an R33 in London, and then I came to the US and I got a 2009 R35 and it was amazing (despite really being a Fairlady, not a Skyline - but that's OK). I traded it up for a 2015 R35 because they finally made the suspension comfortable, and I still have it today. It is still far far far more car than you could ever need on the public road, 100% reliable, comfortable, extremely practical daily driver, and a fantastic long-distance cruiser. Nissan lost money with every one they sold, and it never enhanced their brand and sold the cheaper stuff. I understand why it's over, but it's still sad. No you can't have mine.
Final GTR is in Millennium Jade. Which was also shared by the Nür R34. I saw a R34 GTT repainted in this colour in Adelaide. Its stunning colour. But yes. It is technically old man beige/champagne.
Something interesting about the new x3 that was not mentioned is that it has a quad exhaust being a non M car
Enjoyed listening to the guys reminisce about starting the company. Keenan’s explanation about not just working for a paycheck but putting in long hours to see this thing grow was heartwarming
"How do you justify buying a new Cayenne?" - dude, if most people were thinking like this, few people would be buying new cars, the industry would shrink, new cars would cost significantly more (due to economies of scale), old cars would shoot up in value by the same multiplier as new ones, and you'd be asking "how do you justify buying any interesting car?". In other words, it's thanks to people buying new cars that not only we, enthusiasts, but even just regular people have access to many good 2nd hand cars at reasonable prices.
Mitsubishi in the 90s... Eclipse and 300GT both under the DSM umbrella and the only remnant was the 4G63. Doug is correct as they, themselves, didn't develop for the future.
Only Doug, Kennan, and Filippo would have a podcast talking about a Bugatti, Viper, Mitsubishi, and a Chrysler 200S.
17 years, and the R35 GT-R is finally gone. ABOUT TIME
whats so exciting about this dummy
But goddamn was/is a phenomenal car. xD
She wasn't even 18...
people hate her because she's perfect
The original Volkswagen Beetle sold from 1938 to 2003. And sold 21.5 million cars. Why is making the same car with only 2 or so updates a bad thing ? It breeds reliability.
Look at the G Wagon from 1979 to today and looks still very similar from its launch. The Mazda Miata has really been a very similar formula and looks also very much just the same way and similar light weight since its launch in 1989. And people love that.
The Porsche 911 looks very similar also since its birth in 1963 to today. And is a cult car.
17 years is nothing.
I will believe the sub-25k Jeep EV when I see it. The new Equinox EV was supposed to be affordable and they're showing up in my Facebook ads for $50k.
"...showing up in my Facebook ads"😆
It is going to be a rebadged Citroen e-C3 which is around that price.
Second gen Cayenne transmission is made by Aisin (Toyota OEM supplier). Base is actually the best driving experience because its nose-light and VR6 while the interior and chassis is Turbo S spec.
8:50 love the involuntary Kennan yawn as the convo changes to Jeep crossovers and SUVs
More than 20 years ago, I remember sitting in a brand new GtR in Fukuoka, Japan. It had at the time only the max 280 HP but the interior and the seats were so exciting.
280 horsepowers is due to the "gentlemen's agreement" amongst the Japanese manufacturers. In reality, many of them are higher than the "advertised" figure of 280 hp.
@@InTeCredo Gotta luv "gentlemen" like that!
Insane how the Macan and Cayenne are only worth just a few more bucks than Scions of the same year… gotta get one soon
This was maybe best but since discovering the pod I'm hooked... big love from Radelaide Australia
The Bugatti doors look like Yuri from TheStraightPipes Photoshopped them.
Hehe 😂 Right right
That green T-Spec GTR is awesome. I tried trading my 15 GTR in on one, but the dealers still want 10k + over msrp.
@@chk2711 did you try at only one dealership or all over the country? Perhaps you could just place a factory order for one at M.S.R.P. That car in jade green is spectacular! If you get one don’t modify it !!! 🤢🤮
Kennan, please look at the gen ii vipers. Especially 01,02 you get ac abs and a way better interior. Look at shapphire blue and cognac interior. (01 only for shapphire blue
Actually the Meyers Manx SR started both scissor doors and forward sloping rear wheel arches. Bruce Meyers RIP was a genius designer. His dune buggy’s overshadowed the SR but the SR (Street Roadster) was cool.
Glad to see Doug talking about the RSX, it was my first car I ever owned back in 2019 and I miss it dearly.
The new Bugatti looks similar to the Mistral😉
Agree completely with Kennan. Used to be a BMW fanatic. Haven’t had one in 8 years. Won’t go back. No interest.
Had two M3' convertibless, not a bit of prblems with either, bored me to death would never go back. Went to a Jag X150 convertible and a Boxster. BMW's are anything but exciting
It's so cool hearing about the start up of cars and bids.
Now that the anniversary of C & B is here… I sold a 2001 Boxster S on C & B towards the beginning of the site with no reserve and made money!! Thanks Cars and Bids Team!!
I low-key love watching Doug just talk to his friends about things they like
These pods are so interesting to see how yall interact. Keep it up! ❤
Freaking awesome reflection on Cars and Bids. What a major highlight and thank you 👏👏👏👏😍
Hey Doug I’m really missing the Sunday episodes, please bring them back!
2 things I have in common with Doug. Same age and I only drink water as well. But our music choices couldn't be more different.
I believe the Tourbillon's engine only powers the rear wheels and the four-wheel-drive comes from the electric motors. Means they can stuff the batteries into the central tunnel instead of a driveshaft.
The right answer to a sick restomod would be the Brazil exclusive VW SP2 Coupe with the full drive train and suspension from a Porsche GT3RS.
Thank you for the chapters on the timeline!
1:00:20 - you already mentioned the DeLorean, and I know a lot of folks put an LS in there and it's fantastic - transforms the car. Chassis by Colin Chapman - there's a reason they cal them the "Irish Esprit". The other obvious one is a Lotus Seven with a modern Ford 2.3L engine. Obvious because oh hey I have one and it's awesome :-)
That Green over Bronze combo is actually awesome 🔥
I feel like green is an incredibly underrated color for cars. Probably the least common, yet there’s so many cool ones
I just saw a Montero Sport on the road for the first time ever a couple days ago and it just looks like a Toyota Highlander or any other Japanese 4 door mid-size suv at the time. How can you hate that?
I love this version of Doug. I bet he’s fun at parties.
Why not turn the "longest overtime," "most comments" and others into a hall of fame section on the site?
2:11 You kidding Doug??
What about the old Mercedes Gullwing?? Way before the countach...
300SL, Countach and Tourbillon - each have different style of doors.
I love how Doug blocked the mic to say it always was when Felipe said they changed the eclipse to fwd and 4 cylinder 😂😂😂
My favorite podcast! ❤
The 250 Bugattis are already all sold out Doug
I wonder if Doug is Mormon? No coffee, no tea, no alcohol? Never seen him smoke either 🤔 he even has the same kind of undershirt they wear
LOL as soon as he said that I thought the exact same thing with those exact points
Stubby doors compared to Koenigsegg Gemera. The only car I really want. Tourbillion makes me thing of watch snobs too much. The only think Gemera doesn't do is the sound, otherwise it has more seats and cargo space and more power. A lot more in the case of the V8.
DeLorean was my first thought related to movie cars, but don’t forget what in terrible lackluster car The smoky in the bandit Trans Am was. Especially the sequel cars that were the turbo small v8
Listen to each other so we can enjoy listening to you guys.
Old car with new powertrain: Esprit with a 992.1 GTS engine/stick.
When you see Jeep advertising in 2024 for the next model year, it feels a bit like when you visit an old relative on his deathbed with oxygen and monitors attached to his chest and the dying person begins to tell you what his plans are for next summer.
Early model Cayenne has the same bore scoring as 996, supposedly preventable by religiously following oil types and change schedules but scares buyers
Something tells me that one of these sedans, whether it be the Subaru legacy or the Volvo S60, is gonna pull a bait and switch on us. What that means is they discontinued the car right before announcing they’re bringing it back. They did the same thing with the Chevy bolt and the Nissan kicks
As for why Cayennes are so credo, my cousin just got a bill for 20k for a few simple repairs, wheels balancing and tires. Good forbid there some deferred maintenance
No M5 news? How old is this recording?
At least a week I think, that's when Bugatti was released to the public
New M5 is 2 days old and this one is prerecorded
Hot take on cars that have a bad reputation but actually are allright :
Second Generation Prius
I like to listen to this podcast when I am working on my car, which is usually over an hour. So I would be perfectly fine if these were longer 😁
The lack of research on the Tourbillon was pretty disappointing….
Not sure if old enough car to count but I'd like a lancia delta integrale with a tesla drivetrain somehow crammed in. Obviously I'd start from a shell with a dead engine. I hear it's already 'common' to cannibalize good engine ones and good chassis ones to keep complete ones going... and i'm sure the same is true for many other models.
15K for an RSX Type - S is insane. I had one from in 2005 - 2009 and it was ....fine. I don't really miss it. Meanwhile i still have the 2009 SI sedan (unmodified) that was my next car. I would miss that one. Same engine, better looks, more practical, LSD, WAY BETTER transmission feel. It isn't my daily but i smile when i drive it. Both are very slow...SI slightly slower i believe but it sounds much better stock.
The RDX buyers want the K20A engine. That and the K24A from the TSX are amazing engines.
Can we talk about Flippio’s computer with the bright Cars & Bids logo
My goal progression is 996 Coupé Carrera w aerokit > C8 Stingray > Boxster Spyder > SLS AMG coupe > Huracan Sterrato
I love this podcast
First car that came to mind was a '63 Split window with a modern drivetrain. I would be ALL OVER that.
A Hellcat engine in an old car would twist it like a pretzel. This isn’t just a power train swap at that point…
Would've liked a Tourbillon-Nevera discussion. I think they're sharing more parts than Bugatti is letting on, seems like the same body
Next time you come to Wisconsin Doug I will show you a F40 LM
The doors go up though. Chiron doors don't go up.
I never liked any Bugatti starting with the Veyron. All I see is a bathtub with a toilet seat grill. 🤮
The infamous King’s golden veyron. Feared all over San Diego.
Modern powertrain with classic car? Voodoo V8 and Tremec 6-speed mated to a 1967 Mustang Fastback
C2 corvette is the exact answer I was thinking. Perfect answer!
when doug sighs at a gtr- you know it's time to buy.
Classic car with modern drivetrain: 69 Dodge Charger with Viper V10 (Prefix 9.0L).
3:30 And the Koenigsegg Agera RS from 2017 still has a higher top speed than both the Tourbillon and the Aspark (277.87 mph)
I'm an Australian and Mitsubishi is doing ok but Mitsubishi needs more fun cars
There's the Outlander Sport still on sale and is going to replaced soon by a re badged Renualt Capture. The Colt is coming back but based the Clio
New Bugatti deserves more respect
2:37 “not a whuuhh” lmao
Starting the "pod" off with how people Will mispronounced the new Bugatti was definitely the right move "TOUR-BILLON! 😂
Idk about Cali, but here in MA it seems like every other car is a Jeep and they’re ALL driven by women
“Taken to Gap-plebees”
The color scheme of the GT-R is probably a 20th anniversary of the Z-Tune. Millennium Jade is a nice color 😡
Mitsubishi failed through the Diamond-star partnership. EVERY Eclipse that departed that factory, as well as the Dodge Avenger, had clear coat failure. It happened to my 2003 Black Eclipse GT at 12,000 miles and Mitsubishi would do nothing to help me, or anyone else. Anytime you see a Eclipse, Avenger, they will all have Clearcoat failure. I lost $20k on the car and never considered a car from them again.
Fix the comment moderation on Cars and Bids!!!!!! Holy hell they ban you for ANYTHING
Hi Doug I noticed you have a lamborghini Urus brochure there. Can you make an episode about car brochures/literatures? thank you
With all due respect I highly recommend Kennan NOT buy the Viper. It’s a very unsafe car.
Yes, the Volvo estate came back to the UK due to demand, but not the sedan
That Bugatti really took a lot of Koenisegg and Pagani in it.. From both design and functionality..
When using the regenerative brakes on a ev do the brake lights come on ?
A face-lifted Chrion? Wow no eye for design at all Doug.