If wheel grease is gunking up, it's being over lubed. It only takes a very fine film of grease which will warm up quick from friction and not leak down into your trigger and mag mechanisms, etc.. Most folk I know over lube their firearms regardless of what lube they use. However, I'm really impressed with the performance of the EWL Slip 2000 product both in this test and from recent personal experience. Was first introduced to it when I bought a JR 9mm Carbine. Seems to stay in place better than oil too. And not as much needed as most use imho. Thanks for doing this test and next time I'll try to find the Part 2 before commenting but hey ... AHDD.
If you haven't tried grease, try it. Lucas bearing grease makes my rough AK rails buttery smooth for a long time. Obviously clean an replace when its super dirty.
@Charlie B Grease works amazing on ar15's! A small amount on the rails of the BCG and on the cam pin as well. Keep it away from the firing pin/firing pin channel though.
+Craig Arnold Grease is for lubrication, so if its not working the friction will just be increases. When friction increases heat is created heat will thin the grease making it work again. So yea it wont be working at first but after you drive a mile or so the friction heat should have it back to the correct viscosity.
The fitting is just a valve and the grease passes thru into the space between 2 components with a bushing usually fwiw. There are huge differences in automotive greases, most mechanics aren't even to up on them, from what I have seen. I always try to use synthetics mostly and high pressure for most things but not all. Everything squeaks and moans when super cold as we know all things contract in the cold even forged steel and bearings bushings. I hate that sound too when its that cold (in the car /truck)
I blamed my lever gun freezing up and getting so sticky i couldn't run the lever on rem oil..but this test showed me it was probably the otters i used on it. great vid !
I was never a grease user but I moved to Florida in 2011 and the heat humidity combined with salt from your sweat is hard on daily carry guns. I've had great results from froglube paste,it stays where I put it in this god awful heat and is fantastic rust protection. .but I'm not sure I would use it up north
I been on slip 2000 a couple of years since my buddy turned me onto from frog lube which jams autos in cold weather. He got a sample free with his lwrc ar-15. Best part no smell at all.
Outstanding prodution! I use TW -25 in my AR. Illinois gets cold too! After watching these vids I am sticking to EWL only! It has run great in ALL weather. I am DONE with grease in the winter!
What's your top greases and oils? So far I'm enjoying Slip 2000 EWL and their 30 EWL along with their EWG. I just ordered some tungsten disulfide to add to my EWL 30 and also some Archoil AR4400 which is an oil infused with tungsten disulfide.
I'm not a fan of using grease on any gun but if its all I had. I'd use aircraft grease that is used for flight control surfaces. Yes I am a certified Airframe and Power Plant mechanic. In the aviation industry the rule of thump is, for every 1000 ft of Altitude you clime the tempter drops 2 degrees. Take that -24 degrees at the elevation you did your test and start subtracting 2 degrees per 1000 ft to 35000 and do that in say 10 to 15 minuets .... that's a serious temp drop. Greases like Aero Shel 22 and DC111 are designed to prevent control from seizing at extreme drops in temp. But They're pricey... But the manufacturer give them a "shelf live" for aircraft use, so any FOB that handle privet jets may have a couple of tubes that are expired and might toss you way.
At -40 (-40F is the same as -40C) we use 0-W-20 synthetic oil. This is not available in many places south of us (near Yellowknife). There are 2 brands commonly available; one is Shell and the other is a house brand, "Motomaster" from Canadian Tire (I suspect it's actually Shell also - they're bottled in the same plant near Edmonton, AB. (Esso may have it also, but I don't seem to have a bottle on hand). It's not necessary or desirable to use a whole lot of it, either - a little drop will do. Most people use at least a .308 rifle, because the cute white bears don't drink Coke, but they are happy to eat you. Most other stuff that would be adequate even in southern Alberta becomes solid or very close to it when it gets to be winter. A "pour test" is instructive. Thanks for putting up this series.
This is a good test to see what these products do while sitting.....but when you are shooting as we all know things get hot and they get hot quick. I’ve been running a “pistol” AK47 lately in sw Florida and it is HOOOOOT . Lucas oil actually makes a gun grease. I personally use CLP and a very very thin layer of gun grease on the rails parts of the bolt carrier(only where I can see contact points) and on the top of the trigger. I’ll use that usually between May and October, depending on the weather. In the colder months....you know when the temp falls to 45ish at night and 75ish during the day I’ll usually use CLP. The thing with the grease is you do not want it “gumming up” so when you apply it even to an AK you have to be very conservative about it. If you can see it.....you put to much. After cleaning I always “rack” my firearms five or six time. If I see any grease then I put too much. Grease is REALLY good in very hot weather. As long as your not playing boot camp at the range and rolling around in the sand your good. With AR’s personally I do not thing grease should even be considered. There is just WAY to much fowling. There are a lot of factors that can dictate an outcome. So unless you actually get out there and try something new....you will never know.
I've been using G96 Synthetic Liquid Gun Grease for a very long time . Obviously this was designed for firearms . It's not super thick but also not super thin either . I got tired of oil migrating all over the place . G96 Synthetic Liquid gun Grease does not gum up at all . I use it on all my go too Rigs . It works extremely well when running suppressed. Of course I'm super bias to G96 products because I've been using them for over a decade now . Slip 2000 EWL-30 is freaking legit. If I was gonna switch that's what I'd switch too because it's that good . Currently right now I'm only using G96 Synthetic Liquid gun Grease , G96 Synthetic CLP , G96 Gun Treatment Spray and Breakthrough Mil GRADE Solvent .. I do super quick cleans I dont think I've ever done white glove cleaning . If it takes longer than 2mins to clean IMO your doing something wrong lol . I mainly use G96 Gun Treatment Spray for all of my super quick cleans and then lube back up with Syn Gun Grease . Every 1k to 1.2k I'll use the Breakthrough MIL GRADE Solvent instead of the G96 Gun Treatment Spray . Using the Mil GRADE Solvent is my jdead of white glove cleaning lol.. I do not use any special tools for cleaning . I use Micro Fiber Towels , Hoppes Boresnakes , and Polymer Pics . I've been shooting for almost 20 years now and I shoot 30 to 40 Competitions yearly . I've never once used an Carbon remover tools or any other whiz bang 3000 tools . Those carbon remover tools like the CAT I've seen cause issues with Bolt Tail to Ring Seal because people get super aggressive when cleaning that area . I shoot about 3k to 3.5k 223 and 5k 9mm every single year . I've never used any carbon tool and never had 1 single issue because I do quick cleans as soon as I get home .
Gun lube is very environmentally dependant. The type of environment will dictate what lube you need to use. In hot environments a thicker lube is needed so it stays place and does not just run out. In cold weather you need a lube that will not thicken and cause function issues or worse freeze. In wet or humid environments you need a lube that will prevent rust.
If you like using grease try Redline CV-2 synthetic with red moly grease. Not much on the gun. A small tiny dab on the barrel the slide rails inside roof of the slide and channel lock. A dab at the connector. I use the tip of a chop stick from the Chinese restaurant and spread it.
I appreciate your channel. These videos are super useful. It's too bad that there hasn't been anything since three years ago. I hope you're doing well.
I know that there are a lot of lubes out there for you guys to choose from but I was hoping to see Slip 2000 beat Frog Lube. No Frog Lube. :( Oh well, I'll still stick with Slip 2000. Thanks for the video guys.
I think the extreme weapons grease stuff would be good for an AK. An AK’s action is sufficiently open and sloppy that the thickness of that grease wouldn’t hurt anything. And as we all know AK’s get hot quick, even in low temps like you were in at the time of filming this, so the thicker grease will stay put better than oil. Definitely would not run an AR or any other tight fitting gun with it though. But I tend to prefer using oil in any tight fitting gun to begin with. Good informative video.
Fun fact- During the battle for Stalingrad in WWII (winter of 1942-1943) German synthetic firearms lube would freeze and as a result the entire German military ran weapons completely dry in that operation.
Nice videos ! I think a really good grease should only be used on slides myself. Just because thin oils can dry out and you just can't get enough on the tiny rails on a Glock for example. I use the navy seal developed Seal 1 or Froglube CLP grease on mine and oil on about everything else except some triggers get the grease as well.
Have you ever used Weapon Shield? I've been using it for a couple of years, but I don't shoot often enough to know how it compares to the other oils I have, which include the Hoppes 9, Shooters Choice FP-10, and M-Pro 7 (which separates and needs shaken before used). Regardless of oil used, none of my shooters have ever had any issues. I can't say in my experience if one is better than the other. Heck, I still have Outters that I bought back in '94 :)
I live in Texas, so i dont know $h¡t about cold, but it's my understanding that marvel mystery oil is the same thing as arctic CLP. I keep that on hand just incase they use those weather weapons on us...again 🥶
The experiment wasn't to determine slipperyness. It was to see if any product would freeze. The downside of the grease getting so thick in the cold is that it can gum up and your gun won't work.
Oil mixed with carbon/dust/dirt is better than bare metal by a long shot. That argument is talked about alot, yet makes no sense in my mind. Dirty oil is better than no oil.
Three letters to remember for all your lube needs all year long. "ATF" (AUTO TRANS FLUID) for you that like to play dumb. Cheap and is made to work a hell of a lot harder than any of your gun lube needs.
that kind of grease is not the kind you want to use on firearms. its way too thick and its meant for very high friction high temperature for vehicles/performance cars. how about you use some mil-com that would change your mind about grease. using wheel bearing grease for weapons haha, tells me these people do not know what they are doing.
If wheel grease is gunking up, it's being over lubed. It only takes a very fine film of grease which will warm up quick from friction and not leak down into your trigger and mag mechanisms, etc.. Most folk I know over lube their firearms regardless of what lube they use. However, I'm really impressed with the performance of the EWL Slip 2000 product both in this test and from recent personal experience. Was first introduced to it when I bought a JR 9mm Carbine. Seems to stay in place better than oil too. And not as much needed as most use imho. Thanks for doing this test and next time I'll try to find the Part 2 before commenting but hey ... AHDD.
If you haven't tried grease, try it. Lucas bearing grease makes my rough AK rails buttery smooth for a long time. Obviously clean an replace when its super dirty.
@Charlie B Grease works amazing on ar15's! A small amount on the rails of the BCG and on the cam pin as well. Keep it away from the firing pin/firing pin channel though.
Glad you did this while still outside. Good call.
And here I am watching the follow up! Lol you did the test outside. improvements! Thanks!
As a fellow Minnesotan I appreciate you taking this time to let us know which lubes will work in our conditions. Well done.
Thanks for watching! Check out our training we have in MN as well.
what about grease in hot summer and thinner oil in the winter?
Cool video. Makes me wonder about how well the grease fittings on a car lubricate when the weather is really cold out.
I'm no mechanic but I've thought the same. My car just sounds mad at me when we drive it at -20 F.
+Craig Arnold Grease is for lubrication, so if its not working the friction will just be increases. When friction increases heat is created heat will thin the grease making it work again. So yea it wont be working at first but after you drive a mile or so the friction heat should have it back to the correct viscosity.
The fitting is just a valve and the grease passes thru into the space between 2 components with a bushing usually fwiw. There are huge differences in automotive greases, most mechanics aren't even to up on them, from what I have seen. I always try to use synthetics mostly and high pressure for most things but not all. Everything squeaks and moans when super cold as we know all things contract in the cold even forged steel and bearings bushings. I hate that sound too when its that cold (in the car /truck)
I wonder what type of lube was used in WWII aircraft guns. Those were exposed to -30°F or so frequently.
They used heaters at high altitude
not in wing mounted guns
I blamed my lever gun freezing up and getting so sticky i couldn't run the lever on rem oil..but this test showed me it was probably the otters i used on it. great vid !
+bloodhound122 Could have been, thanks for watching!
Great video! Thanks for taking the time to create it. New user of Slip2000!
Thanks for watching
I was never a grease user but I moved to Florida in 2011 and the heat humidity combined with salt from your sweat is hard on daily carry guns. I've had great results from froglube paste,it stays where I put it in this god awful heat and is fantastic rust protection. .but I'm not sure I would use it up north
I been on slip 2000 a couple of years since my buddy turned me onto from frog lube which jams autos in cold weather. He got a sample free with his lwrc ar-15. Best part no smell at all.
Outstanding prodution! I use TW -25 in my AR. Illinois gets cold too! After watching these vids I am sticking to EWL only! It has run great in ALL weather. I am DONE with grease in the winter!
Grease after cleaning and oil until next clean is the best I've found cold or not
What's your top greases and oils? So far I'm enjoying Slip 2000 EWL and their 30 EWL along with their EWG. I just ordered some tungsten disulfide to add to my EWL 30 and also some Archoil AR4400 which is an oil infused with tungsten disulfide.
I'm not a fan of using grease on any gun but if its all I had. I'd use aircraft grease that is used for flight control surfaces. Yes I am a certified Airframe and Power Plant mechanic. In the aviation industry the rule of thump is, for every 1000 ft of Altitude you clime the tempter drops 2 degrees. Take that -24 degrees at the elevation you did your test and start subtracting 2 degrees per 1000 ft to 35000 and do that in say 10 to 15 minuets .... that's a serious temp drop. Greases like Aero Shel 22 and DC111 are designed to prevent control from seizing at extreme drops in temp. But They're pricey... But the manufacturer give them a "shelf live" for aircraft use, so any FOB that handle privet jets may have a couple of tubes that are expired and might toss you way.
Nice video
In that kind of temps my body would be stiffer than the grease you tested lol
At -40 (-40F is the same as -40C) we use 0-W-20 synthetic oil. This is not available in many places south of us (near Yellowknife). There are 2 brands commonly available; one is Shell and the other is a house brand, "Motomaster" from Canadian Tire (I suspect it's actually Shell also - they're bottled in the same plant near Edmonton, AB. (Esso may have it also, but I don't seem to have a bottle on hand). It's not necessary or desirable to use a whole lot of it, either - a little drop will do. Most people use at least a .308 rifle, because the cute white bears don't drink Coke, but they are happy to eat you. Most other stuff that would be adequate even in southern Alberta becomes solid or very close to it when it gets to be winter. A "pour test" is instructive. Thanks for putting up this series.
I've been using Tri-Flow. Works well.
Mix Mobil 1 synthetic grease with Mobil 1 synthetic oil about the consistency of honey. Check out School of the American Rifle. Works great.
This is a good test to see what these products do while sitting.....but when you are shooting as we all know things get hot and they get hot quick. I’ve been running a “pistol” AK47 lately in sw Florida and it is HOOOOOT . Lucas oil actually makes a gun grease. I personally use CLP and a very very thin layer of gun grease on the rails parts of the bolt carrier(only where I can see contact points) and on the top of the trigger. I’ll use that usually between May and October, depending on the weather. In the colder months....you know when the temp falls to 45ish at night and 75ish during the day I’ll usually use CLP. The thing with the grease is you do not want it “gumming up” so when you apply it even to an AK you have to be very conservative about it. If you can see it.....you put to much. After cleaning I always “rack” my firearms five or six time. If I see any grease then I put too much. Grease is REALLY good in very hot weather. As long as your not playing boot camp at the range and rolling around in the sand your good. With AR’s personally I do not thing grease should even be considered. There is just WAY to much fowling. There are a lot of factors that can dictate an outcome. So unless you actually get out there and try something new....you will never know.
Awesome video!
I've been using G96 Synthetic Liquid Gun Grease for a very long time . Obviously this was designed for firearms . It's not super thick but also not super thin either .
I got tired of oil migrating all over the place . G96 Synthetic Liquid gun Grease does not gum up at all . I use it on all my go too Rigs . It works extremely well when running suppressed.
Of course I'm super bias to G96 products because I've been using them for over a decade now .
Slip 2000 EWL-30 is freaking legit. If I was gonna switch that's what I'd switch too because it's that good .
Currently right now I'm only using G96 Synthetic Liquid gun Grease , G96 Synthetic CLP , G96 Gun Treatment Spray and Breakthrough Mil GRADE Solvent ..
I do super quick cleans I dont think I've ever done white glove cleaning . If it takes longer than 2mins to clean IMO your doing something wrong lol . I mainly use G96 Gun Treatment Spray for all of my super quick cleans and then lube back up with Syn Gun Grease . Every 1k to 1.2k I'll use the Breakthrough MIL GRADE Solvent instead of the G96 Gun Treatment Spray . Using the Mil GRADE Solvent is my jdead of white glove cleaning lol..
I do not use any special tools for cleaning . I use Micro Fiber Towels , Hoppes Boresnakes , and Polymer Pics . I've been shooting for almost 20 years now and I shoot 30 to 40 Competitions yearly . I've never once used an Carbon remover tools or any other whiz bang 3000 tools .
Those carbon remover tools like the CAT I've seen cause issues with Bolt Tail to Ring Seal because people get super aggressive when cleaning that area . I shoot about 3k to 3.5k 223 and 5k 9mm every single year . I've never used any carbon tool and never had 1 single issue because I do quick cleans as soon as I get home .
Very cool videos was watching this and womder anybody ever use gear oil as lube or a friction modifier like fords?
Gun lube is very environmentally dependant. The type of environment will dictate what lube you need to use. In hot environments a thicker lube is needed so it stays place and does not just run out. In cold weather you need a lube that will not thicken and cause function issues or worse freeze. In wet or humid environments you need a lube that will prevent rust.
If you like using grease try Redline CV-2 synthetic with red moly grease. Not much on the gun. A small tiny dab on the barrel the slide rails inside roof of the slide and channel lock. A dab at the connector. I use the tip of a chop stick from the Chinese restaurant and spread it.
Does anyone know the temp range for the Hoppes Orange Bottle?
I appreciate your channel. These videos are super useful.
It's too bad that there hasn't been anything since three years ago.
I hope you're doing well.
We moved to a new channel, follow Dave now at Guns & Tactics. Tons of stuff every week now over there full time
How about some Mobile1 synthetic oil? If it's that cold outside, I'm not going to be shooting anyway.
That was in part 1 I think
I know that there are a lot of lubes out there for you guys to choose from but I was hoping to see Slip 2000 beat Frog Lube. No Frog Lube. :( Oh well, I'll still stick with Slip 2000. Thanks for the video guys.
+Jake Westin it's well known that frog lube freezes I think we mentioned it in part 1
I think the extreme weapons grease stuff would be good for an AK. An AK’s action is sufficiently open and sloppy that the thickness of that grease wouldn’t hurt anything. And as we all know AK’s get hot quick, even in low temps like you were in at the time of filming this, so the thicker grease will stay put better than oil.
Definitely would not run an AR or any other tight fitting gun with it though. But I tend to prefer using oil in any tight fitting gun to begin with. Good informative video.
Fun fact- During the battle for Stalingrad in WWII (winter of 1942-1943) German synthetic firearms lube would freeze and as a result the entire German military ran weapons completely dry in that operation.
Nice videos ! I think a really good grease should only be used on slides myself. Just because thin oils can dry out and you just can't get enough on the tiny rails on a Glock for example. I use the navy seal developed Seal 1 or Froglube CLP grease on mine and oil on about everything else except some triggers get the grease as well.
Equal parts of Mobil 1 5W30 , ATF Dexton 3 and STP High mileage . Best lube and cheap to make
Well done!
The outers oil looked fine to me, still will lubricate in that "thickness" that's my opinion.
Get some mil surp aircraft grease.
Extend the test further and see which ones come back to normal inside the quickest. Give them all 10 minutes. Then tell us those results.
motor oil?
CHRIS if you like grease use Lubriplate SFL-0. It's made for guns
He did that in part 1. To save you time it wasn't affected at all.
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I like your character.
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Have you ever used Weapon Shield? I've been using it for a couple of years, but I don't shoot often enough to know how it compares to the other oils I have, which include the Hoppes 9, Shooters Choice FP-10, and M-Pro 7 (which separates and needs shaken before used).
Regardless of oil used, none of my shooters have ever had any issues. I can't say in my experience if one is better than the other. Heck, I still have Outters that I bought back in '94 :)
I live in Texas, so i dont know $h¡t about cold, but it's my understanding that marvel mystery oil is the same thing as arctic CLP. I keep that on hand just incase they use those weather weapons on us...again 🥶
You might get sued by Fireclean!
Now I want some chicken strips
Thickness is NOT an indication necessarily of slipperyness.
thickness of grease is for certain applications, def not firearms. this guy doesnt know what hes doing.
The experiment wasn't to determine slipperyness. It was to see if any product would freeze.
The downside of the grease getting so thick in the cold is that it can gum up and your gun won't work.
It’s all a carbon, dust, dirt magnet
Oil mixed with carbon/dust/dirt is better than bare metal by a long shot. That argument is talked about alot, yet makes no sense in my mind. Dirty oil is better than no oil.
I thought you we going tough it out and do the whole video in a t-shirt.... weak
You're welcome to come by and show us how it's done
Three letters to remember for all your lube needs all year long. "ATF" (AUTO TRANS FLUID) for you that like to play dumb. Cheap and is made to work a hell of a lot harder than any of your gun lube needs.
that kind of grease is not the kind you want to use on firearms. its way too thick and its meant for very high friction high temperature for vehicles/performance cars. how about you use some mil-com that would change your mind about grease. using wheel bearing grease for weapons haha, tells me these people do not know what they are doing.
stektirade we completely agree but sadly people use this on their guns all the time.
I also use slip2000 grease as it’s a weapon grade grease where appropriate.