Ableton 11 is out!! I'm aware that a lot of thigs I talked about being missing from 10 are in 11. I'll be doing an updated video for both 11 and a revisit of Logic X very soon!
Yes, i was just like "WAIT A SECOND.. no audio stacks in ableton?" and then i realised it was version 10. 11 has amazing workflow similar to Logic (P.S. Hopefully that person above me gets banned as soon as possible)
For anyone wondering , they made the “Drum rack” better in Logic. It’s on par with Ableton now. The fact that you don’t have to pay for any updates is a huge plus.
I just love the ableton work flow, i often switch from strait producing to playing live, and having the different session and arrangement views is like having 2 daws in one, love it
The quality of this video is excellent! Two things you didn't mention: 1) Ableton's warp modes. They are incredibly powerful, and in my opinion make up for not having flex tool. 2) Wavetable and Analog synths in Ableton only come with the Suite version, which is the most expensive version. Just something to note.
Andrew Wunrow thanks sooo much for pointing this out! I completely spaced on the Suite version and have overlooked the warp feature. Pinning this comment!
Man, it's literally the best video on the topic and one of the best I've seen lately in terms of video production. Good quality, flow, jokes - amazing! Keep up the good work!
Great video, and super useful for people trying to decide between these two DAWS! I definitely needed this kind of video when I was starting out! There's a few important details that were missed on Logic's side, and thought it would be worth mentioning: for instance, zooming functionality (which I find more intuitive in Logic with shortcut keys and frustrating in Ableton); the fact that you can't split MIDI notes in Ableton (never understood why); the ability in Logic to have 3 different tools at once if you're using a mouse (left click, command-click, and right click) which makes editing, manipulating, and chopping clips a breeze; and even down to having a proper mixer in front of you like in Logic, where you can see everything, including proper meters with exact levels, and you can see all your sends/aux channels, etc. One final thing: you mentioned the drum rack in Logic not looking welcoming, but not sure why you are still using Ultrabeat, when you have the amazing new Drum Machine Designer which integrates the new Sampler/Quick Sampler, and I find is far better than Ableton's Drum Rack. Anyways, I see the benefits of both DAWS and jump between them like you, but since the 10.5 update, Logic has made a major leap in functionality and design that I think is important to mention. That being said, I know it would take too much time in a video to go into those kinds of minute details. And, of course, in the end, it all comes down to personal preference! Especially now that Ableton 11 will finally(!!) have comping like in Logic. Again, thank you for making this video!
Such great points!! And the more comments I read about things I missed in Logic, the more I'm certainly compelled to make another video: especially with Live 11 coming out. I've been dipping back into Logic recently as some of my older tunes are in there and I want to finish them. I've been trying to utilize the multitool function while in there and for whatever reason it just doesn't click with me (pun intended). There's something about Ableton's single mouse click that feels more intuitive than the multi-functional mouse click in Logic. I always find myself accidentally using a tool I didn't mean to use and switching back. Especially when cutting and fading. I think this is entirely preference as I can see on paper how Logic clearly wins here. As for sends and aux I absolutely hear this. It's way more clean in Logic. Once I got used to Ableton's flow, I find myself needing to check the meters in a "classic" way less imperative. Maybe I'm just...not a good mixer lol.But I've never felt the need to stare at the mixer longer than a few seconds while creating. I mostly do things by ear and at a glance. Perhaps a bad habit. Lastly, the new Drum Machine designer was horribly neglected purely due to the lack of experience. In fact, I don't even think I had it updated at the time of my recording. I've seen my buddy use it along with the smart drummer and it seems way more powerful. That'll be my first stop on the next video. Thanks SO much for your thoughtful comment!! Keep making music!
I just switch to LPX about 6 weeks ago, after many years of working everyday in Live. There was a steep learning curve coming from Live, and it was necessary to be patient with myself, and take the time to google very routine stuff. But since Live was my first DAW, I didn’t realize all the features in lacks, and frankly I don’t need live performance features in my DAW. I couldn’t ramble on about it, but I don’t think I’ll be going back.
@@Robert-kx8mp Glad you were able to find the DAW that works best for you! I totally hear you on these points and 100% agree. That being said, what works for you and me might not be what works for the next person. I know people who have also gone the other way (from Logic to Live) and swear that they'll never go back. C'est la vie! *shrugs* :)
My zoomer brain was both thoroughly entertained and educated with this vid! Honestly, all the questions were straight up answered, and it was a fun ride) Keep it up with more edu content, please 🙏
This is exactly what I was looking for and it just randomly popped up on my phone. 🙏🏽 excellent, detailed breakdown, esp as I begin my home recording journey 💗
Cool video man, thanks! Just wanted to chime in (I know I know). You forgot about the "Mixer" in Logic and how you don't have to go into another window to access it. Also, all your plug-ins are right there. Now I'm not 100% sure about this next part because I use Logic for work (professional audio engineer) so I could be wrong. However, I'm pretty sure that Logic has a drum machine designer that is pretty much exactly the same as what you showed in Abelton. If my memory serves me correctly it's a series of boxes that you can drag and drop (or maybe load ??) different sounds in. However, I could be wrong. Thanks for the video tho man I'm getting ready to learn another DAW for work and I wanted to learn a little about Abelton. I'm currently using Logic for all my mixing and Harrison Mixbus to master. It's a toss-up between Abelton and Studio One. Thanks again!
P.S. Currently using Logic, I'm a bit of a beginner to all of it tbh though. Really liking Logic so will continue using it whilst I get my bearings on DAW's over the next year. Do you have any resources you would recommend for me to look into regarding producing music on Logic? Books/Courses/Videos etc. No sweat if not, but if you did that'd be awesome man! Take care!
Paul, thanks so much for the kind words and the sub! So glad to have you here! As for good resources, I don’t have any specifically since I mainly learned Logic by trial and error / TH-cam videos. I did recently watch one that was helpful in terms of workflow! Otherwise I’d watch as much as you can online and then just keep working and writing music. That’s the best teacher. The basics: th-cam.com/video/7QQN_UFVpbk/w-d-xo.html Some workflow stuff: th-cam.com/video/wtkrVaEjJ0E/w-d-xo.html
Great video! I'm testing Ableton and FL Studio atm. I'm more familiar with FL but i feel Ableton is a bit more user friendly. I'm also not trying to make beats per se, but record some original music. Do you have any experience with FL? I'd love your input.
Thanks for watching! I have veeeeerry little experience with FL. I used an older version back in like 2005 or something. My experience with watching users online is that it's pretty dang powerful. I think it's automation friendly and packed with some useful tools. Can't speak on the workflow, but from the outside I see why people dig it.
Your content is nothing short of amazing. I couldn't help but think about the hours it must have taken to edit everything. Well done, entertaining and informative. It has truly challenged me to make better content. Subbed!
@@aaron4757 I’ve tried both Abelton and Logic on my Mac, and while I think Abelton is more customizable and comprehensive, I find that Logic is just so much easier to navigate and organize everything that my workflow is wayy much more efficient
Came from MasterTracks Pro and Cake Walk years ago. I have both Logic Pro (like a grown up version of both) and Ableton Live. Your fun and intuitive comparison was VERY helpful! I have been struggling with the learning curve of Ableton for MIDI but do love the instruments and tools. I related to your audio perspective and appreciated seeing the intuitive differences. Still clinging to Logic Pro but wanting to be comfortable with Ableton...Thanks for your POV
Evidently a lot of thought and time went into this video. Interesting, entertaining, and a well presented video. I know a few things are outdated now but the overall concept remains true today. Liked and subscribed.
wow I watch so many production videos IDK WHY HAVEN''T COME ACROSS THIS CHANNEL TIL NOW. I'm glad this came up on my google search. Just subscribed! You and your channel are so rad!! Keep em coming :)
I find that logic is actually great for editing audio, especially if you use the marquee tool as secondary tool to chop multiple layers together and experiment with the smart and absolute settings. I find its great for stutter edits and also creative arrangement of samples and making variations
Yeah I’ve had a few people challenge me on this and that makes sense. I too use the marquee just not with as much ease as most. I also see how doing absolute settings may ease some of that clunkyness as well. At its core i truly cure it as a preference thing. Thanks for sharing!
@@Schmorgle No problem man, also dope video! The cool thing about marquee tool is it actually functions like the scissor, if you click on the marquee selection after selecting. Its great for chopping samples and lifting specific parts of audio and midi regions
I found this video very helpful and also entertaining! Justa wanted to do my part and leave a great comment. Love your energy and humour. I'm subbed. Keep doing it ! You quality is godly!
I've been using Reaper for a while now and love it. I do wish it had a comp feature similar to Logic Pro though. You can kind of do it in Reaper, however it's not as intuitive and I find it easier just to put my second take on a brand new track. It's cool that Logic comes with so many MIDI instruments. My DAW didn't come with much, so I just got a MIDI controller. Yikes! That Logic drum rack does not look very user friendly. Ableton's built in synth looks like it would be fun to mess around with. I think if I had to choose one of these, I would go with Ableton because of its great drum and MIDI tools. Maybe I'll pick it up in the future.
I've been on the fence between the two... I've been using Logic but there's just something about it that feels so clunky and unappealing. I recently installed Live Lite and just the design of the interface alone puts me in the most creative headspace. All the instruments, loops & plugins being there on the left is so good for workflow. And I love that you can create scenes... as a songwriter I often get SO MANY ideas and being able to just record all of them so quickly gives me the ability to get the idea down and listen back for what works best. I want to get the full version of Live!
Lm, I pretty much had the EXACT same experience. For what it's worth, Ableton has been a dream for my songwriting. It's expensive and has a learning curve, but I haven't looked back since! Good luck on your journey : )
@@Schmorgle I just downloaded the 90 day full trial last night, I couldn’t wait anymore I gotta get to work! Your video really did make all the difference, so thanku! I’m sure I’ll end up upgrading from live light to at least standard after the 90 day trial is up. Not sure if I need suite vs standard so now I have time to figure that out before an official purchase :)
Am I just bad with DAWs, or are Ableton's synths just... bad? When I play all the sample sounds down the list many of them sound the same and they sound weak. Like you said, I end up going for 3rd party synths too. Is this where mastering comes in? I'm more of an orchestral composer so I'm not familiar with electronic music programs, I just kind of expect it to sound at least decent without me having to heavily edit EQs, gains, whatever just to make it sound adequate... or am I just really bad with DAWs?
Awesome video!!! I love your personality and editing of this vid, it makes it so entertaining while also informative! Keep up the great work, you've gained a subscriber :)
Thanks, it helps me a lot ! By the way, is it me or ableton doesn't have good strings instrument ? (when it comes to guitar or orchestral, it's weird in ableton)
Are they both better than using Fl? Cuz if I’m gonna buy a full version of anything I wanna get the best possible. I mostly want to make beats & record
I just got a Macbook pro with the M1. My main goal is to record, mix, and EQ my own vocals. I’m into stacking harmonies, so I end up with tons of tracks (often 80+) Would I have a better experience working with Logic Pro or Ableton? I also have a Roland Juno that I’d like to play around with from a midi perspective. What do you all suggest?
I would say Ableton - but I've never tried Logic but used other DAWs such as Reaper, Pro Tools First, Studio One Free, Audacity and Audition. Ableton is designed for Live stuff - hence the name Ableton Live - and thus has almost zero latency (especially if you use the stock plugins) and really CPU light. That doesn't mean that it does never stuttter -although I have a M1 Pro now, my old 2015 used to make it CPU spike when I added third party plugins like Arturia REV or iZotopes Nectar or Ozone Elements onto a few tracks. M1 Pro -hardly ever happens unless I go crazy with mad delays and the feedback zaps the CPU. You would need to get Live Studio though, Live Lite has a 8 track limit, although you can use many more clips (confusing but it has two views, Arrangement is like a DAW, Session is not and fairly unique - people usually like one or the other).
You missed a big deal in your review of Logic. Most of the so-called "easy things in Ableton Live" can be easily done in Logic's 'Inspector' window on the left side of the program. Nice review though.
Mainly the feel of the workflow. I find it to be easier to navigate and do exactly what I’m trying to do. There are all kinds of technical differences, but for me it always comes down to feel.
Interesting. The more I watch/think about this, the more I'm convinced it's all about a trade-off between easy-to-use/speed vs. a ton off options. What get's you in the flow? Endless possibilities, or instant creation? That being said I personally think Ableton have managed to put a lot of functionality in software that is still comparatively easy to use. I surely hope that's still the case with Live 11....
Thank you! Feel much better after watching your video - informative, helpful, funny - nice one 👍 gonna chill out now and learn with what I've got - which happens to be Ableton 10 - maybe will upgrade to 11 at some point but I'm a DAW beginner so I agree with you that the most important thing is to get started! 😎💛🌈
Awesome to hear! You can't go wrong with Ableton Live 10. The game totally changed for me once I cracked the workflow nut. Good luck on all your musings and thanks for stopping by the video!
is Ableton gonna be better in the future as well? or is it just a hipster DAE that artists like right now? Every teacher artist I meet say they go with Ableton as they perform as DJs with their own music.... I however will only record at home for now.... I bought the Audient id 14 MKII ... I will record my singing, some friends guitar or keyboard and then try to make money as a vocal artist, like reading in scripts for audio books or animation movies... Is there any benefits for me to choose cubase LE that came with the sound interface over Ableton or should I also go with Ableton now and perhaps over time learn to create more and more of my own music that way as well? I do see that Logic Pro in the App Store is cheaper than Ableton standard... but I think the price does not matter much if one start to make money from these DAE ... is there any DAE better for vocal artists, and voice actors that have benefits for them in comparison to those that are real music producers and have much more advanced need than someone like who is an actor and singer have? thanks!
I personally love Live 11. I think depending on what your doing on a production side, that'll influence which DAW is best. Recording vocals and guitar, use whatever feels natural. For me, Ableton feels natural!
hey thanks :) that was informative and enjoyable - you’ve earned a new sub! i love logic and I haven’t seen other youtube videos touching on how logic crashes more often. I also think the top window in logic that tells you what chord you’re playing on any midi controller is sooo underrated. I find ableton’s session view quite confusing too - i don’t really understand how the session blocks interact with the arrangement view. Would love to see you cover something like that!
Thanks so much for the sub and thoughtful comment! I too agree that Logic has some great accessibility features like the chord naming thing you mentioned. Crashes only seem to happen when I'm running a really full session with a lot of plugins, I've only crashed on Ableton once while bouncing stems for a huge session. As for the session view, I truly think it's a matter of preference. I definitely was confused by it at first, and now I strangely prefer the workflow. That's one of those things where it truly matters how well you operate in a DAW that should hold the most sway. Thanks again for hanging and I'll happily work on more in -depth coverage of both DAWs!
I use both for different reasons!!! LPX for writing and AL for stage!!! Better is so vague!!! The better doesn’t exist it’s about preference and what workflow you like!!!
AutoVlogs I’ve used it on both and it’s almost virtually the same experience. There are obviously some hot key differences and menus live in slightly different spots, but it functions almost identically. Luckily you shouldn’t have problems running the base program on most machines. And ableton free to totally worth the try! They have some useful tutorials too so you can get a feel if it’ll cover your needs pretty early on.
For composers Logic and Cubase are wayyy better. Same goes for recording, editing and mixing. Ableton on the other side is very good in LIVE DJ TRIGGER stuff, loop-the-loop clips and crazy effects. I prefer Cubase, Logic too... ❤
Logic sounds warm and full, Live fantastic for Production while Logic is a nightmare, mixing & recording audio, Logic is still superior even when compared to Live 11
Overall melodyne is not better than flex pitch. It has its advantages (more functions) and downfalls (way more buggy than logic, ara doesn't work, editing several tracks is messy). Most of logic's software instruments are useless - there are a better third party replacements 99% of the time. It's an advantage only if you are starting out. 12:50 what about the third party plugins? Really doubt that built in ones are better and can substitute all 3rd party plugins in the world. 14:00 press ctrl when dragging. FYI: Shift-click closes all windows in logic.
Ableton 11 is out!! I'm aware that a lot of thigs I talked about being missing from 10 are in 11. I'll be doing an updated video for both 11 and a revisit of Logic X very soon!
Yes, i was just like "WAIT A SECOND.. no audio stacks in ableton?" and then i realised it was version 10. 11 has amazing workflow similar to Logic
(P.S. Hopefully that person above me gets banned as soon as possible)
FL STUDIO!
Truth for actual compostions..... Anvil Studio!
@@AMPProf dude it performs like garbage, the coding of that software is ancient!
@@jaegerschtulmann sure but you don't need something new to compose music in note form!
For anyone wondering , they made the “Drum rack” better in Logic. It’s on par with Ableton now.
The fact that you don’t have to pay for any updates is a huge plus.
you don't have to pay for updates but you have to pay for upgrades. just like every software that exists.
@@Kevinschart FL has lifetime updates no?
@@NeoDeXs that's true. fair point.
Logics drum rack cannot make internal drum sends within the plugin itself like Ableton. So maybe they still have a little bit to go with that.
I just love the ableton work flow, i often switch from strait producing to playing live, and having the different session and arrangement views is like having 2 daws in one, love it
The quality of this video is excellent! Two things you didn't mention: 1) Ableton's warp modes. They are incredibly powerful, and in my opinion make up for not having flex tool. 2) Wavetable and Analog synths in Ableton only come with the Suite version, which is the most expensive version. Just something to note.
Andrew Wunrow thanks sooo much for pointing this out! I completely spaced on the Suite version and have overlooked the warp feature. Pinning this comment!
@@Schmorgle can you make an update to this now that Ableton has comping and new updates in live 11 thanks for the grade videos
The humor you add to your videos genuinely helps me learn everything so much faster LOL. Thanks for all you do!!!! these are AMAZING!!!!!
Haha thanks so much!! Glad it was helpful!
Man, it's literally the best video on the topic and one of the best I've seen lately in terms of video production.
Good quality, flow, jokes - amazing!
Keep up the good work!
Ah thanks!! I really appreciate that feedback. Happy music making 🎶
"if Finneas prefers logic than I prefer logic too" that's why I prefer logic too lmao
This video is such high tier and informative - deserves a tonne more views!
Ah dang! Really appreciate that, John.
Love the expressive editing! Great job!
Kaitlyn thanks, Kaitlyn!
You have the best sense of humor among all the youtubers in this field, and It's really enjoyable watching your videos.
this guy is underrated
Yea, this was fantastic.
Very true
Ableton 11 will finally have comping! I'm so excited for that
Yeah It's Awesome
Bounce in place ?
@@DJSidhu24 Yeah
i liked your way in explanation and specially your editing in the video (it's fire), thank you for the video, you got a new subscriber
Thanks, pal!
Great video, and super useful for people trying to decide between these two DAWS! I definitely needed this kind of video when I was starting out! There's a few important details that were missed on Logic's side, and thought it would be worth mentioning: for instance, zooming functionality (which I find more intuitive in Logic with shortcut keys and frustrating in Ableton); the fact that you can't split MIDI notes in Ableton (never understood why); the ability in Logic to have 3 different tools at once if you're using a mouse (left click, command-click, and right click) which makes editing, manipulating, and chopping clips a breeze; and even down to having a proper mixer in front of you like in Logic, where you can see everything, including proper meters with exact levels, and you can see all your sends/aux channels, etc. One final thing: you mentioned the drum rack in Logic not looking welcoming, but not sure why you are still using Ultrabeat, when you have the amazing new Drum Machine Designer which integrates the new Sampler/Quick Sampler, and I find is far better than Ableton's Drum Rack. Anyways, I see the benefits of both DAWS and jump between them like you, but since the 10.5 update, Logic has made a major leap in functionality and design that I think is important to mention. That being said, I know it would take too much time in a video to go into those kinds of minute details. And, of course, in the end, it all comes down to personal preference! Especially now that Ableton 11 will finally(!!) have comping like in Logic. Again, thank you for making this video!
Such great points!! And the more comments I read about things I missed in Logic, the more I'm certainly compelled to make another video: especially with Live 11 coming out. I've been dipping back into Logic recently as some of my older tunes are in there and I want to finish them.
I've been trying to utilize the multitool function while in there and for whatever reason it just doesn't click with me (pun intended). There's something about Ableton's single mouse click that feels more intuitive than the multi-functional mouse click in Logic. I always find myself accidentally using a tool I didn't mean to use and switching back. Especially when cutting and fading. I think this is entirely preference as I can see on paper how Logic clearly wins here.
As for sends and aux I absolutely hear this. It's way more clean in Logic. Once I got used to Ableton's flow, I find myself needing to check the meters in a "classic" way less imperative. Maybe I'm just...not a good mixer lol.But I've never felt the need to stare at the mixer longer than a few seconds while creating. I mostly do things by ear and at a glance. Perhaps a bad habit.
Lastly, the new Drum Machine designer was horribly neglected purely due to the lack of experience. In fact, I don't even think I had it updated at the time of my recording. I've seen my buddy use it along with the smart drummer and it seems way more powerful. That'll be my first stop on the next video.
Thanks SO much for your thoughtful comment!! Keep making music!
I just switch to LPX about 6 weeks ago, after many years of working everyday in Live. There was a steep learning curve coming from Live, and it was necessary to be patient with myself, and take the time to google very routine stuff. But since Live was my first DAW, I didn’t realize all the features in lacks, and frankly I don’t need live performance features in my DAW. I couldn’t ramble on about it, but I don’t think I’ll be going back.
@@Robert-kx8mp Glad you were able to find the DAW that works best for you! I totally hear you on these points and 100% agree. That being said, what works for you and me might not be what works for the next person. I know people who have also gone the other way (from Logic to Live) and swear that they'll never go back. C'est la vie! *shrugs* :)
Finally hit that point where my trails ran out and have to make a decision about which one I am going to buy lmao. Awesome vid!!
My zoomer brain was both thoroughly entertained and educated with this vid! Honestly, all the questions were straight up answered, and it was a fun ride) Keep it up with more edu content, please 🙏
Ah nice! Appreciate it, pal!
This is exactly what I was looking for and it just randomly popped up on my phone. 🙏🏽 excellent, detailed breakdown, esp as I begin my home recording journey 💗
2:40 Now there’s comping on Ableton Live 11! 🤠
So stoked!
That’s right good ob
That was really really great! Ableton was my first DAW and yeaaa, I'm staying put Ableton - Thanks man!
It's my home too!
That last bit it's all I wanted to hear.
I remember you from about 7 months ago, nice change growth!
Cool video man, thanks! Just wanted to chime in (I know I know). You forgot about the "Mixer" in Logic and how you don't have to go into another window to access it. Also, all your plug-ins are right there. Now I'm not 100% sure about this next part because I use Logic for work (professional audio engineer) so I could be wrong. However, I'm pretty sure that Logic has a drum machine designer that is pretty much exactly the same as what you showed in Abelton. If my memory serves me correctly it's a series of boxes that you can drag and drop (or maybe load ??) different sounds in. However, I could be wrong. Thanks for the video tho man I'm getting ready to learn another DAW for work and I wanted to learn a little about Abelton. I'm currently using Logic for all my mixing and Harrison Mixbus to master. It's a toss-up between Abelton and Studio One. Thanks again!
Great video! Thanks for breaking down each DAW's key features. The manipulating audio section is hilarious! XD
Bro!! Awesome vid! Can't believe how little views this video has. You got yourself a new sub! Keep up the good work!
P.S. Currently using Logic, I'm a bit of a beginner to all of it tbh though. Really liking Logic so will continue using it whilst I get my bearings on DAW's over the next year. Do you have any resources you would recommend for me to look into regarding producing music on Logic? Books/Courses/Videos etc. No sweat if not, but if you did that'd be awesome man! Take care!
Paul, thanks so much for the kind words and the sub! So glad to have you here! As for good resources, I don’t have any specifically since I mainly learned Logic by trial and error / TH-cam videos. I did recently watch one that was helpful in terms of workflow! Otherwise I’d watch as much as you can online and then just keep working and writing music. That’s the best teacher.
The basics:
th-cam.com/video/7QQN_UFVpbk/w-d-xo.html
Some workflow stuff:
th-cam.com/video/wtkrVaEjJ0E/w-d-xo.html
'oooh im singing to a tempo' absolute banger bruh
Working on the full version.
Thank you for going through the trouble of showing me *WHY* they are good or bad at something.... this helps me much more awesomely!
Awesome! Glad it helped.
Great video! I'm testing Ableton and FL Studio atm. I'm more familiar with FL but i feel Ableton is a bit more user friendly. I'm also not trying to make beats per se, but record some original music. Do you have any experience with FL? I'd love your input.
Thanks for watching! I have veeeeerry little experience with FL. I used an older version back in like 2005 or something. My experience with watching users online is that it's pretty dang powerful. I think it's automation friendly and packed with some useful tools. Can't speak on the workflow, but from the outside I see why people dig it.
Your content is nothing short of amazing. I couldn't help but think about the hours it must have taken to edit everything. Well done, entertaining and informative. It has truly challenged me to make better content. Subbed!
That means so much!! Thanks a ton. Good luck with your content!
With the M1 macs now, logic pro x all the way. It's so much performance now even compared to my stupid trashcan mac pro. It's insane.
Why not ableton on a Mac with M1? And I’m guessing u use lots of plugins right?
@@aaron4757 I don't like ableton workflow.
@@aaron4757 I’ve tried both Abelton and Logic on my Mac, and while I think Abelton is more customizable and comprehensive, I find that Logic is just so much easier to navigate and organize everything that my workflow is wayy much more efficient
Came from MasterTracks Pro and Cake Walk years ago. I have both Logic Pro (like a grown up version of both) and Ableton Live. Your fun and intuitive comparison was VERY helpful! I have been struggling with the learning curve of Ableton for MIDI but do love the instruments and tools. I related to your audio perspective and appreciated seeing the intuitive differences. Still clinging to Logic Pro but wanting to be comfortable with Ableton...Thanks for your POV
this was really well made and funny, you should have way more views
new to all of this and found this video exceptionally helpful! thank you so much!
Evidently a lot of thought and time went into this video. Interesting, entertaining, and a well presented video. I know a few things are outdated now but the overall concept remains true today. Liked and subscribed.
wow I watch so many production videos IDK WHY HAVEN''T COME ACROSS THIS CHANNEL TIL NOW. I'm glad this came up on my google search. Just subscribed! You and your channel are so rad!! Keep em coming :)
Ah dang! Thanks so much!!
You seriously rock. THANKS for this! (PS I literally LOLed at the Owen Wilson cameo)
Great video! Thanks man. Love your post production editing on the videos too. Bravo.
I find that logic is actually great for editing audio, especially if you use the marquee tool as secondary tool to chop multiple layers together and experiment with the smart and absolute settings. I find its great for stutter edits and also creative arrangement of samples and making variations
Yeah I’ve had a few people challenge me on this and that makes sense. I too use the marquee just not with as much ease as most. I also see how doing absolute settings may ease some of that clunkyness as well. At its core i truly cure it as a preference thing. Thanks for sharing!
@@Schmorgle No problem man, also dope video! The cool thing about marquee tool is it actually functions like the scissor, if you click on the marquee selection after selecting. Its great for chopping samples and lifting specific parts of audio and midi regions
I found this video very helpful and also entertaining! Justa wanted to do my part and leave a great comment. Love your energy and humour. I'm subbed. Keep doing it ! You quality is godly!
Very informative and lots of fun to watch. You, sir, are an entertainer at heart.
I've been using Reaper for a while now and love it. I do wish it had a comp feature similar to Logic Pro though. You can kind of do it in Reaper, however it's not as intuitive and I find it easier just to put my second take on a brand new track.
It's cool that Logic comes with so many MIDI instruments. My DAW didn't come with much, so I just got a MIDI controller. Yikes! That Logic drum rack does not look very user friendly. Ableton's built in synth looks like it would be fun to mess around with.
I think if I had to choose one of these, I would go with Ableton because of its great drum and MIDI tools. Maybe I'll pick it up in the future.
Great video. Even without Abletons update I see it's advantages over logic. Your animations are hilarious. Thanks!
nail on the head im coming from garageband so this helps a lot
Ah awesome! Glad to hear it.
Great Video, thank you for your time, Loved it!!
I've been on the fence between the two... I've been using Logic but there's just something about it that feels so clunky and unappealing. I recently installed Live Lite and just the design of the interface alone puts me in the most creative headspace. All the instruments, loops & plugins being there on the left is so good for workflow. And I love that you can create scenes... as a songwriter I often get SO MANY ideas and being able to just record all of them so quickly gives me the ability to get the idea down and listen back for what works best. I want to get the full version of Live!
Lm, I pretty much had the EXACT same experience. For what it's worth, Ableton has been a dream for my songwriting. It's expensive and has a learning curve, but I haven't looked back since! Good luck on your journey : )
@@Schmorgle I just downloaded the 90 day full trial last night, I couldn’t wait anymore I gotta get to work! Your video really did make all the difference, so thanku! I’m sure I’ll end up upgrading from live light to at least standard after the 90 day trial is up. Not sure if I need suite vs standard so now I have time to figure that out before an official purchase :)
@@Lmachine1 heck yeah!! Have a blast and good luck with your work flow!
Lovely video, great editing, thanks for the comparison... that Davie504 at 9:08 got me lol :D
The Star Wars theme made my day.... lolllll
Am I just bad with DAWs, or are Ableton's synths just... bad? When I play all the sample sounds down the list many of them sound the same and they sound weak. Like you said, I end up going for 3rd party synths too.
Is this where mastering comes in? I'm more of an orchestral composer so I'm not familiar with electronic music programs, I just kind of expect it to sound at least decent without me having to heavily edit EQs, gains, whatever just to make it sound adequate... or am I just really bad with DAWs?
Thank you! This was such a helpful and informative video. I loved seeing the comparison in such a direct way!
I have worked on almost every DAW and ableton live is the best DAW for music production/arrangements/layering and audio engineering
haha I like your vibe my man! ...this was fun to watch. thank you
Awesome video!!! I love your personality and editing of this vid, it makes it so entertaining while also informative! Keep up the great work, you've gained a subscriber :)
Thanks so much, Mason!
Dude, just discovered your Channel. So good. Really informative and entertaining - got a new sub! Keep it up!
Heck yea, thanks a ton!
Very helpful video. Thank you 🙏🏽
Shannon Sullivan thanks for stopping by!
I used Logic for years, and didn't even know about the first features you mentioned lol
Me being someone who likes using both softwares and is still a novice at both, I really appreciate your thoughts and ideas here.
JTMusicbox I too use both all the time!
i’m still stuck at which one to get, i want to make beats mainly vs recording vocals. what should i do?
Any of the top 5 DAWs are great for creating your tracks. But for serious mixing & mastering, it's ProTools Schorgle.
15:10 you tricked me, you bastard! 😁
Very informative and fun to watch. I’m leaning toward Ableton 🤔
Love your last Statement Man! 😀
Awesome energy and character...comparison is awesome
Thanks, it helps me a lot ! By the way, is it me or ableton doesn't have good strings instrument ? (when it comes to guitar or orchestral, it's weird in ableton)
Are they both better than using Fl? Cuz if I’m gonna buy a full version of anything I wanna get the best possible. I mostly want to make beats & record
FL is pretty great for that too! My rec would be FL or Ableton. What did you end up going with?
4:00 you can also hit ctrl+alt+u to show take lanes
Gotta use Ableton lite until my dumb Apple ID with logic takes a month to verify and get it back... this helped a lot, thanks!
I just got a Macbook pro with the M1. My main goal is to record, mix, and EQ my own vocals. I’m into stacking harmonies, so I end up with tons of tracks (often 80+) Would I have a better experience working with Logic Pro or Ableton? I also have a Roland Juno that I’d like to play around with from a midi perspective. What do you all suggest?
I would say Ableton - but I've never tried Logic but used other DAWs such as Reaper, Pro Tools First, Studio One Free, Audacity and Audition.
Ableton is designed for Live stuff - hence the name Ableton Live - and thus has almost zero latency (especially if you use the stock plugins) and really CPU light. That doesn't mean that it does never stuttter -although I have a M1 Pro now, my old 2015 used to make it CPU spike when I added third party plugins like Arturia REV or iZotopes Nectar or Ozone Elements onto a few tracks. M1 Pro -hardly ever happens unless I go crazy with mad delays and the feedback zaps the CPU.
You would need to get Live Studio though, Live Lite has a 8 track limit, although you can use many more clips (confusing but it has two views, Arrangement is like a DAW, Session is not and fairly unique - people usually like one or the other).
15:08 lmfao I immediately imagined grohl screaming BEST
Thank you for explaining this thoroughly!
Awesome video dude, you're so funny and a great review! :D
Really nice and helpful... Thanks!
You missed a big deal in your review of Logic. Most of the so-called "easy things in Ableton Live" can be easily done in Logic's 'Inspector' window on the left side of the program. Nice review though.
Yeah totally missed that function ultimately, planning on an updated Logic video for February. Thanks for the thoughtful comment!
The reverse audio in ableton was Bob from Minions😶✌🏻
Awesome video, loved the breakdowns! Thank you
Hey Alexander, it seems like you are using Ableton more often. What made you migrate to primarily use Ableton?
Mainly the feel of the workflow. I find it to be easier to navigate and do exactly what I’m trying to do. There are all kinds of technical differences, but for me it always comes down to feel.
Ableton Live + Push2 for me the best.
Interesting. The more I watch/think about this, the more I'm convinced it's all about a trade-off between easy-to-use/speed vs. a ton off options. What get's you in the flow? Endless possibilities, or instant creation? That being said I personally think Ableton have managed to put a lot of functionality in software that is still comparatively easy to use. I surely hope that's still the case with Live 11....
It totally is still easy in 11! But yes, you’re spot on. Whatever keeps you in flow.
I just loved the way you explained 😛
thoroughly enjoyed this! Thanks! Super fun!
For your „crash“,find out the perfect buffer size. It’s not a crash, just logic telling you the allowed size of resources is used out.
Thank you! Feel much better after watching your video - informative, helpful, funny - nice one 👍 gonna chill out now and learn with what I've got - which happens to be Ableton 10 - maybe will upgrade to 11 at some point but I'm a DAW beginner so I agree with you that the most important thing is to get started! 😎💛🌈
Awesome to hear! You can't go wrong with Ableton Live 10. The game totally changed for me once I cracked the workflow nut. Good luck on all your musings and thanks for stopping by the video!
is Ableton gonna be better in the future as well? or is it just a hipster DAE that artists like right now? Every teacher artist I meet say they go with Ableton as they perform as DJs with their own music.... I however will only record at home for now.... I bought the Audient id 14 MKII ... I will record my singing, some friends guitar or keyboard and then try to make money as a vocal artist, like reading in scripts for audio books or animation movies... Is there any benefits for me to choose cubase LE that came with the sound interface over Ableton or should I also go with Ableton now and perhaps over time learn to create more and more of my own music that way as well? I do see that Logic Pro in the App Store is cheaper than Ableton standard... but I think the price does not matter much if one start to make money from these DAE ... is there any DAE better for vocal artists, and voice actors that have benefits for them in comparison to those that are real music producers and have much more advanced need than someone like who is an actor and singer have?
thanks!
I personally love Live 11. I think depending on what your doing on a production side, that'll influence which DAW is best. Recording vocals and guitar, use whatever feels natural. For me, Ableton feels natural!
Hi what camera do you use?
This video was just a stinkin' iPhone, but now I use a Canon M5
You can create key commands in logic to close all the plugin windows or open slot 1,2,3 etc.. saves so much time
Good to know!! Yeah there’s a lot of internal customization I overlooked. Thanks!
hey thanks :) that was informative and enjoyable - you’ve earned a new sub! i love logic and I haven’t seen other youtube videos touching on how logic crashes more often. I also think the top window in logic that tells you what chord you’re playing on any midi controller is sooo underrated. I find ableton’s session view quite confusing too - i don’t really understand how the session blocks interact with the arrangement view. Would love to see you cover something like that!
Thanks so much for the sub and thoughtful comment! I too agree that Logic has some great accessibility features like the chord naming thing you mentioned. Crashes only seem to happen when I'm running a really full session with a lot of plugins, I've only crashed on Ableton once while bouncing stems for a huge session.
As for the session view, I truly think it's a matter of preference. I definitely was confused by it at first, and now I strangely prefer the workflow. That's one of those things where it truly matters how well you operate in a DAW that should hold the most sway.
Thanks again for hanging and I'll happily work on more in -depth coverage of both DAWs!
I use both for different reasons!!! LPX for writing and AL for stage!!! Better is so vague!!! The better doesn’t exist it’s about preference and what workflow you like!!!
This is the way!!
Awesome video and amazing personality
Hey! Thanks so much for this video!
Do you hop over to logic to record and comp vocals. Or record in LIVE then comp in Logic?
For a long time I would record and comp in Logic, then bounce over to Ableton. But now Ableton has better comping so I’m mostly hanging in there.
Schmorgle Ableton Live 10 has better comping. Or the upgraded version?
That was super helpful and funny too! I laughed. Good times.
So glad to hear both of those thing!
This is the best free software Ive seen. Respect.
Yoooo 😂 I just subbed off the strength of the secret reveal at the end 😂💀
What about the Mac vs pc thing? Is ableton any different on the different platforms? And what about ableton free? Is it worth a try?
AutoVlogs I’ve used it on both and it’s almost virtually the same experience. There are obviously some hot key differences and menus live in slightly different spots, but it functions almost identically. Luckily you shouldn’t have problems running the base program on most machines. And ableton free to totally worth the try! They have some useful tutorials too so you can get a feel if it’ll cover your needs pretty early on.
Woah, great video mate!
I’m pretty sure that GarageBand for iOS has the easy comping features of logic pro 10.
For composers Logic and Cubase are wayyy better. Same goes for recording, editing and mixing.
Ableton on the other side is very good in LIVE DJ TRIGGER stuff, loop-the-loop clips and crazy effects.
I prefer Cubase, Logic too... ❤
Hi,
when mixdown audio is better which audio quality? Ableton or Logic in the platform macOS ? Thanks for answer.
It would be the same. No difference would be heard.
What Nebroski said!
Logic sounds warm and full, Live fantastic for Production while Logic is a nightmare, mixing & recording audio, Logic is still superior even when compared to Live 11
Love your artsy answer. I use Logic myself - now maybe I will get Ableton too ;)
Overall melodyne is not better than flex pitch. It has its advantages (more functions) and downfalls (way more buggy than logic, ara doesn't work, editing several tracks is messy).
Most of logic's software instruments are useless - there are a better third party replacements 99% of the time. It's an advantage only if you are starting out.
12:50 what about the third party plugins? Really doubt that built in ones are better and can substitute all 3rd party plugins in the world.
14:00 press ctrl when dragging.
FYI: Shift-click closes all windows in logic.
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You defiantly helped thx bro