To anyone who suggests that the band might be "rocking the boat:" Jesus' whole ministry could be considered "rocking the boat," given the attitudes of religious leaders of the time; it's a big part of why He was nailed to that cross.
even as a Christian it warms my heart as there is a huge difference between Christian and Christian nationalism. Plain and simple if you force someone to do something or believe something they may go through the motions but are they going to believe in the same way that someone who chooses to believe. Chances are no
@@cg0825 I suppose Christian Nationalism does contain that which you described. The point is to keep religion and government as far from each other as the east is from the west. History has shown again and again what good comes from intwining two. One good look at the mideastern countries and Islamic sharia is enough. Our founders set out to make it perfectly clear they did not approve of the practice and wanted none of it in the country they envisioned. They put freedom of (and more importantly from) religion in our Bill of Rights. Christian Nationalism has a tendency to ignore that peticular bit of the Constitution because it's not part of the country they want. Support the separation of religion and government
As a Christian, I agree. Those mooks are incredibly dangerous and its good to hear that the next generation isn't buying their shit. Its immoral to take the choice away from non-believers and doing so doesn't even accomplish anything because true worship comes from the heart. Forcing a non-believer to go thru the motions while they don't hold an ounce of sincere belief in their hearts is a fruitless act of evil. This is fundamental Christianity 101 level stuff, actions of 'faith' taken without sincere conviction are meaningless nonsense that Jesus has no use for.
There’s no sane and reasonable response the band can make that can’t/wont be condemned and vilified by the church, as the fundamental point of view of the church is that they’re always right, and they’ll back that up with feelings and opinions, never fact. Obedience is paramount. Oh, and endorsing a candidate? Report to IRS.
I mean she’s right about Christian Nationalism need to call out bc it’s wrong and many church is silence. As a Christian I don’t like they treat as Trump as Jesus that idolatry that need to call out
I'm an atheist. Some friends described me as "You know when you ask god for help? [I'm] who he sends." which, I suppose, would make sense since all a believer would do is ask god for help.
If you can get a video of the pastor talking politics on the pulpit, you can send it to the IRS with the church's name and the church will lose their non-taxable status as the IRS will deem them not a church.
@@AlverantToday perhaps, but you never know what changes will come in the next 5 years. Always better to have a mountain of evidence waiting to be used than just hear say
I watched a documentary about Hitler youth sent to the battlefields at the end of WWII. Children as young as ten were put there. They were caught and sent to POW camps. One of the boys sent there told of his father, a minister, executed by the Gestapo for preaching out against the very subject discussed here. This is the slippery slope we are on right now if we don't try something now to halt this.
Matthew 5:11-13, "Blessed are you when they revile and persecute you, and say all kinds of evil against you falsely for My sake. Rejoice and be exceedingly glad, for great is your reward in heaven, for so they persecuted the prophets who were before you. You are the salt of the earth; but if the salt loses its flavor, how shall it be seasoned? It is then good for nothing but to be thrown out and trampled underfoot by men." Your friend was right to speak out, and great is her reward for speaking truth to Power. Your church is not godly at all; it has lost its flavor and is good for nothing. Hey, that's not me... that's the supposed Word of God that your church leaders/Pharisees profess to follow.
Sadly most of those church goers wont even consider that they're the ones who are wrong in this situation and instead will just use it to justify their actions even further by claiming their youth have been "corrupted" and everyone they don't like is to blame.
The establishment clause prohibits government from establishing a religion. It is sometimes referred to as separation of church and state. it has nothing to do with keeping religious ideas or beliefs out of government
i think you need to look up those terms, you dont leave for atheism, atheist is someone unconvinced of a god and almost all atheists are agnostic atheists. if you dont believe in zeus then you are an agnostic atheist to zeus. if you are claiming 'zeus doesn't exist ' then you are a Gnostic atheist to zeus. Gnostic theists = is one that knows with certainty a god (or gods) exist agnostic theist = is one that believes a god exists but does not know for certain same for atheism, the ones who are Gnostic are the worst because we have no evidence of a god existing or not, if there was any then we would have a scientific theory for god, as theory is built on evidence.
@@robgilmour3147 There is no evidence for any of the 3,000+ gods, and it's on the theist to prove the god(s) existence, since they're making the claim.
If politics are ever mentioned in service, it is during prayer for wisdom to guide the people. No policies are mentioned, just the names of people who happen to be in a political office no matter their affiliation. If politics were mentioned otherwise, the paster would have to answer to the presbytery (I'm a Presbyterian btw). We gather on Sunday morning to worship the Lord our God, not political leaders.
A) Gorgeous cakes! Yummy! B) Good to hear that those youths have a good sense for justice. C) It's a shame some of these youths are in fear of their own parents.
Record the regular sermons that involve politics. Several of them. Then post them online and send them to a lawyer. There are many organizations that will take up the case for free. Because this violates the law. Church and state separation was originally to keep the state from getting involved with religion. People did not want a charitable organization which they donate to, to be taxed, as they themselves bad already been taxed. But the one rule to keep it this way, was for the church to not involve itself in politics. Don't tell people how to vote, or who to vote for. Period. If a religious institution starts promoting specific laws or politicians and telling people how to vote, it changes tax association from being a house of worship, to being a political action committee. It is using money i tended for a religious service, to become a political rally. And that means they are guilty of things like fraud and tax evasion. If you have spoken to leadership of the church, and they know about this behavior, and they have not stopped it, then they are fully aware they they are doing something illegal. Their house of worship status, specifically them being an untaxed organization, is in jeopardy. So, they either change, or start payiing taxes. It is literally the law, and so many churches have forgotten that the church/state separation was for their protection. If you really want to make an impact, and stop this behavior, walking out is not going to do it. They will just start smearing your names. Instead, hold them to account for their actions by hitting them where it hurts: their money. If they really stand by their convictions on the politics, over their faith, let the literally pay for it.
God never forced people to believe in him?! Oh, goody, she needs to read the Old Testament: God keeps killing humanity (Babel, Noah's Flood, Soddom) for not believing in him just right.
Good of all of you to defend Emma. Like the idea of a walkout, but if the church has a website, how about posting an article there, instead? No names, of course. Real Christian to force a family out of their church, btw.
You are vastly overestimating how many people read their church Web site, and also the church controls the publishing of articles there, so why would they bother letting their opposition post there?
I was homeless, did drugs, went into prison, where I got to know God. He changed my life. Now I have a home, a wife and a lovely year old daughter (zoe), and a stream of income that gats me $47,000 weekly. Plus a new identity - a child of God, Hallelujah!!!🇺🇲❣️♥️❤️
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The fact that Christianity in the past was mostly spread by force and violence doesn’t make it good or right. Christianity did in the past an awful lot of bad things that, by modern Christian morality, would be considered evil and against Jesus’s preaching.
Yeah, speaking truth to power and standing up for what is write should be squashed. How else can we ensure generations of brainwashed compliant robots that let dictators ruin their lives while they horde wealth? Great job bucko 🥴
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To anyone who suggests that the band might be "rocking the boat:"
Jesus' whole ministry could be considered "rocking the boat," given the attitudes of religious leaders of the time; it's a big part of why He was nailed to that cross.
A boat headed for disaster needs rocking. Get those ores in the water!
Young Christians standing up against Christian Nationalism warms the cockles of my secular heart. ❤
It warms my Christian heart too.
even as a Christian it warms my heart as there is a huge difference between Christian and Christian nationalism. Plain and simple if you force someone to do something or believe something they may go through the motions but are they going to believe in the same way that someone who chooses to believe. Chances are no
@@cg0825
I suppose Christian Nationalism does contain that which you described.
The point is to keep religion and government as far from each other as the east is from the west.
History has shown again and again what good comes from intwining two. One good look at the mideastern countries and Islamic sharia is enough.
Our founders set out to make it perfectly clear they did not approve of the practice and wanted none of it in the country they envisioned. They put freedom of (and more importantly from) religion in our Bill of Rights.
Christian Nationalism has a tendency to ignore that peticular bit of the Constitution because it's not part of the country they want.
Support the separation of religion and government
As a Christian, I agree. Those mooks are incredibly dangerous and its good to hear that the next generation isn't buying their shit. Its immoral to take the choice away from non-believers and doing so doesn't even accomplish anything because true worship comes from the heart. Forcing a non-believer to go thru the motions while they don't hold an ounce of sincere belief in their hearts is a fruitless act of evil. This is fundamental Christianity 101 level stuff, actions of 'faith' taken without sincere conviction are meaningless nonsense that Jesus has no use for.
There’s no sane and reasonable response the band can make that can’t/wont be condemned and vilified by the church, as the fundamental point of view of the church is that they’re always right, and they’ll back that up with feelings and opinions, never fact.
Obedience is paramount.
Oh, and endorsing a candidate? Report to IRS.
I mean she’s right about Christian Nationalism need to call out bc it’s wrong and many church is silence. As a Christian I don’t like they treat as Trump as Jesus that idolatry that need to call out
Amen to that
I'm an atheist. Some friends described me as "You know when you ask god for help? [I'm] who he sends." which, I suppose, would make sense since all a believer would do is ask god for help.
Nationalism is a waste of time.
Agreed.
If you can get a video of the pastor talking politics on the pulpit, you can send it to the IRS with the church's name and the church will lose their non-taxable status as the IRS will deem them not a church.
Sadly, that never happened. The IRS has been prevented from doing their job.
@@AlverantToday perhaps, but you never know what changes will come in the next 5 years. Always better to have a mountain of evidence waiting to be used than just hear say
I have hope when young people stand against injustice.
I watched a documentary about Hitler youth sent to the battlefields at the end of WWII. Children as young as ten were put there. They were caught and sent to POW camps. One of the boys sent there told of his father, a minister, executed by the Gestapo for preaching out against the very subject discussed here. This is the slippery slope we are on right now if we don't try something now to halt this.
Seeing artillery guns operated by children messed up the Red Army
I wish they'd played "We're not gonna take it" as the opening song.
Matthew 5:11-13, "Blessed are you when they revile and persecute you, and say all kinds of evil against you falsely for My sake. Rejoice and be exceedingly glad, for great is your reward in heaven, for so they persecuted the prophets who were before you. You are the salt of the earth; but if the salt loses its flavor, how shall it be seasoned? It is then good for nothing but to be thrown out and trampled underfoot by men."
Your friend was right to speak out, and great is her reward for speaking truth to Power. Your church is not godly at all; it has lost its flavor and is good for nothing.
Hey, that's not me... that's the supposed Word of God that your church leaders/Pharisees profess to follow.
Sadly most of those church goers wont even consider that they're the ones who are wrong in this situation and instead will just use it to justify their actions even further by claiming their youth have been "corrupted" and everyone they don't like is to blame.
Good for the band members.
Jesus spoke out against religious leaders too. Remember that
Jesus beat the money lenders...
The separation between church amd state didn't happened to protect the church from politics, but to protect politics from the church.
The establishment clause prohibits government from establishing a religion. It is sometimes referred to as separation of church and state. it has nothing to do with keeping religious ideas or beliefs out of government
@@manefox100yes it does, it's painfully clear that this is was the intent. Read what the people who wrote it thought about the issue
@@manefox100also the establishment clause is only one part of the separation in the constitution
@@manefox100The Constitution also forbids any religious test for holding public office.
@@Mark73 religious test needed to tack office i am assuming that's what you meant?
I'll never understand how anyone can give Trump the time of day. I would not buy a cheap used car from that man.
“Give to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and give to God the things that are God's.”
Christian nationalism sounds a lot like fascism..
Because lots of the normal people have left for Atheism and Agnosticism, the density of crazy people in religions is higher.
i think you need to look up those terms, you dont leave for atheism, atheist is someone unconvinced of a god and almost all atheists are agnostic atheists.
if you dont believe in zeus then you are an agnostic atheist to zeus.
if you are claiming 'zeus doesn't exist ' then you are a Gnostic atheist to zeus.
Gnostic theists = is one that knows with certainty a god (or gods) exist
agnostic theist = is one that believes a god exists but does not know for certain
same for atheism, the ones who are Gnostic are the worst because we have no evidence of a god existing or not, if there was any then we would have a scientific theory for god, as theory is built on evidence.
@@robgilmour3147 There is no evidence for any of the 3,000+ gods, and it's on the theist to prove the god(s) existence, since they're making the claim.
Pastor pulluted the pulpit with politics and now the consequences are coming
If politics are ever mentioned in service, it is during prayer for wisdom to guide the people. No policies are mentioned, just the names of people who happen to be in a political office no matter their affiliation. If politics were mentioned otherwise, the paster would have to answer to the presbytery (I'm a Presbyterian btw). We gather on Sunday morning to worship the Lord our God, not political leaders.
A) Gorgeous cakes! Yummy!
B) Good to hear that those youths have a good sense for justice.
C) It's a shame some of these youths are in fear of their own parents.
Please delete hassanmohammed’s comments and bot thread. He is trying to scam people into texting him money.
We all remember how Jesus did nothing about the moneychangers and just prayed to His Father to change their hearts, right?
Church is place of workship not of politics . Free will and speech are basis of humanity
Record the regular sermons that involve politics. Several of them. Then post them online and send them to a lawyer. There are many organizations that will take up the case for free.
Because this violates the law.
Church and state separation was originally to keep the state from getting involved with religion. People did not want a charitable organization which they donate to, to be taxed, as they themselves bad already been taxed. But the one rule to keep it this way, was for the church to not involve itself in politics. Don't tell people how to vote, or who to vote for. Period.
If a religious institution starts promoting specific laws or politicians and telling people how to vote, it changes tax association from being a house of worship, to being a political action committee. It is using money i tended for a religious service, to become a political rally. And that means they are guilty of things like fraud and tax evasion.
If you have spoken to leadership of the church, and they know about this behavior, and they have not stopped it, then they are fully aware they they are doing something illegal.
Their house of worship status, specifically them being an untaxed organization, is in jeopardy. So, they either change, or start payiing taxes.
It is literally the law, and so many churches have forgotten that the church/state separation was for their protection. If you really want to make an impact, and stop this behavior, walking out is not going to do it. They will just start smearing your names. Instead, hold them to account for their actions by hitting them where it hurts: their money.
If they really stand by their convictions on the politics, over their faith, let the literally pay for it.
"he will speak GREAT AND ARROGANT words and seek to change the laws of God and man..
Daniel 7:25. ... If that's not Trump....!??
Story: Rightful resistance against encroaching tyranny.
Background: Joyful diabeeetus.
God never forced people to believe in him?! Oh, goody, she needs to read the Old Testament: God keeps killing humanity (Babel, Noah's Flood, Soddom) for not believing in him just right.
Christian nationalism has been present in churches for a very long time. When was the last time you didn’t see an American flag in a church?
Heck yea!
Good of all of you to defend Emma. Like the idea of a walkout, but if the church has a website, how about posting an article there, instead? No names, of course. Real Christian to force a family out of their church, btw.
You are vastly overestimating how many people read their church Web site, and also the church controls the publishing of articles there, so why would they bother letting their opposition post there?
Good story! Food looked awful tho
Sadly probably fake because there would have been atleast one Trump grifter in the band. One can hope.
I was homeless, did drugs, went into prison, where I got to know God. He changed my life. Now I have a home, a wife and a lovely year old daughter (zoe), and a stream of income that gats me $47,000 weekly. Plus a new identity - a child of God, Hallelujah!!!🇺🇲❣️♥️❤️
Excuse me for real?,how is that
possible I have struggling
financially, how was that possible?
@@HangyPatrick-n2hThanks to Kate Elizabeth Becherer
I always appreciate God for his kindness upon my life
YES!!! That's exactly her name (Kate Elizabeth Becherer) so many people have recommended highly about her and am just starting with her 😊 from Brisbane Australia🇦🇺
I have heard a lot of wonderful things about Kate Elizabeth Becherer on the news but didn't believe it until now. I'm definitely trying her out
She's wrong about Christian Nationalism. In one form or another, that's how Christianity spread for the most part. Read history.
Christian nationalism is Christofascism. The KKK is a Christian nationalist group. Read history.
The fact that Christianity in the past was mostly spread by force and violence doesn’t make it good or right. Christianity did in the past an awful lot of bad things that, by modern Christian morality, would be considered evil and against Jesus’s preaching.
That’s not her argument. Her argument is about whether it’s Biblical and Godly, which it isn’t.
She invaded the space to complain about project 2025, the boot is warranted
Well, Project 2025 is a perversion of christian ideas in the name of Christianity. Where else should it be discussed, if not in churches?
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Guess we found the pastor 🤣
Scrap the band.
For what, speaking up against Christofascism? Atheist here, but that's a good thing for them to do.
Yeah, speaking truth to power and standing up for what is write should be squashed. How else can we ensure generations of brainwashed compliant robots that let dictators ruin their lives while they horde wealth? Great job bucko 🥴
Trump 2024 beoooootch
Trump for prison 2025.
If you support any politician, you are unfit to make important decisions.
Unlikely beooootch
Trump is a traitor who belongs in prison.
@@justindwight5457 You're due for a booster.