Both my road bikes are RIm bikes. Love them, in the wet I just chill a bit more than normal. I won't unsubscribe, I enjoy the lovely routes you show. I mostly ride in London so its a form of escapism. Cheers.
Have to say, Dave, my Time Alpe d’Huez with rim brakes is considerably lighter than some of the so called premium disc brake bikes at the moment. I think you’re right about the stopping power, but us old guys have been riding rim brakes models for decades without any issues. However, I do have several disc brake bikes - horses for courses! Great channel by the way!
When I bought my first road-type bike 8 years ago I specifically wanted disk brakes not necessarily for braking performance but because the design allows for wider tires. (This was a little before gravel was a thing) As someone who initially rode only mountain (with V-brakes), most of my best routes had some connecting trail (some call this gravel) and I knew that 25/28 mm tires would not be ideal. Then it turns out that experiments showed that wider road tires could actually be more efficient (faster) than narrow on most real world surfaces, including many road surfaces. So disc brakes provide the additional benefit of being more flexible by being able to accommodate both narrow and wider tires, and wider road tires won't necessarily slow you down.
Hey Dave. 4 bike owner here, 2 steel single speed with rim brakes (one with v brakes), and 2 carbon disc road bikes. While I like the simplicity of the rim brakes, disc are the better option because as you mentioned: the braking surface is no longer your wheel, and they are consistent in all weather. I don’t like rim brakes in the rain, but with discs in a downpour, the brakes work exactly the same and don’t get the rims all full of aluminum hoop that the brakes are shaving off of the wheel.
Rim brakes has been working fine for the last 50 years at lest. It’s still good especially for people like me who seldom ride. For the daily riders which do long descent riding in the rain then yes it’s good for those riders
A nice rim brake bike second hand is so much cheaper than the price of a disk bike. I have 3 road rim brakers. Affordability is a key factor here too I feel Dave.
Dave, I agree 100%. In the wet, discs just work. Rim brakes irtually don't. I have Magura hydraulic rim brakes on my bike. They're better than cable actuated rim brakes, but not a patch on discs. Especially on steep descents. BTW: My road bike is 20 years old. But my next one will definitrly have discs.
Yes discs are more powerful, yes you do not wear out your carbon time but no mention was made about how much cheaper, easier to maintain and aesthetically neater called brakes are.
My road bike is rim brake on carbon wheels . The brakes are brilliant as long as it’s dry . I did d a wet crit this year in the wet and most were on discs and I really had trouble not riding into the back of them braking into a corner . My cross bike is hydraulic dis and is utterly amazing. Screech in the wet but I’m used to that . Discs are better . However my road bike I mostly use in summer and thought about an upgrade but why spend the money for something I now use for 30% of my cycling . When I need to up grade my road bike will go disc . But my cross/gravel bike does everything for me most of the time . Feels like I did a “Dave waffle” there . I guess I like both in the right conditions , but sway towards disc
Agree with you Dave about rim brakes not stopping as well as disc brakes in the wet. My commuter is on rim brakes and whenever it's wet i need to brake and slow down a lot earlier and in a couple of instances overshot the entrance into the estate
rim all the way for me I have three bikes all rim and love easy set up maintenance. Maybe it makes sense for mountain bikes it makes sense but never had an issue with rim break or worry about stopping in wet or dry.
There's a time and a place for both. I have a Summer Bike and rim brakes suit it to a tee. That being said there's good reason mountain bikes ditched cantilever brakes for disc.
@@DaveNoakes Aluminium rim tracks perform better in the wet than carbon ones IMO. Although the clamping force of cables and a hydraulic disc system are like night and day.
I think you have made a slight mistake by generalising the use of rim brakes on carbon wheels. Not veryone uses carbon wheels partcularly as they are more often heavier than alloys. I suppose the bling factor is an element. From what I have read carbon rims and rim brakes don't necessarily make a good combination anyway. However, in my experience a good quality rim with a set of Swisstop pads in the rim brakes will just about stop anywhere, dry or wet. I am only a 70kg rider though but I have been up quite a few of the famous Alpine and Pyrenean climbs and had no problem descending whatsoever. You only have to watch videos of previous professionals descending from major climbs on goo wheels with high quality brakes and pads. They weren't going slow to take in the views.
Rim brakes are great. Nice and Light. plenty of power. they break just as good even in the wet with the right wheel. Hed jet black rims will brake very well in the wet.
@@rothgartheviking858 yes, those and the zipp textured ones are great but to get good stopping power you need the good pads…downside is the good pads wear extremely fast.
not based on nostalgia, am afraid, and they do work. I had both disc & rim brakes. Takes me 5 min to change the cables on rim brakes. Super easy to fine tune clearance on the go, zero adjustment with disc if it rubs try removing the wheel and then try again... The horrible noise discs can make in the wet, or when pads contaminated with oil..the entire street knows you're trying to slow down a little. Take the bottom bracket out if you need to change the brake hose... max headache. It's great for gravel, MTB, e-bike, sure. Rims with textured brake track brake so well, I never felt the need for discs on a lightweight road bike with 25mm tyres.
Eeeeh but no! You say this like I’ve never ridden rim brakes, I’ve used them for years, on textured rims…btw they are also proper noisy. They don’t work as well in the wet as disc brakes, once discs are set up they require less maintenance and last longer than rim. They work better…the only downside I can see is the noise in the wet and a slight weight penalty (which no longer matters). The entire world/pro racing scene aren’t using disc brakes on bikes as some marketing scam…they are just better.
I have to say Dave..I have rim breaks on my Summer bike(Cannondale Supersix evo) and my winter bike (Dolan preffisio)..and the summer bike I have no issues at all ..however the winter bike..well let’s just say I have had my moments😬…I would like to change and experience disc breaks..but can’t justify buying today’s ridiculous prices for a new bike.. great subject to discuss Dave 👍🏻👍🏻
Since I don't have a bike with disc brakes I can't say. However, if I had one I would get one with mechanical center lock iso tech rotors The reasons are as follows: With six bolt one more of the bolts could loosen over time. Secondly while on gravel or any surface for that matter a twig or small piece of metal could puncture the brake line causing fluid to leak out ( hence no brakes) that's a plus for internal cable routing 😊 Third, the disc pads wear out quicker than rim brakes pads Fourth which is hardly ever mentioned. The rotors themselves need to be true over time. Fifth . Conversion. If you want to convert from flat bar to drop bar and vice versa you have get new disc mounts So for me it comes down to one word MAINTENANCE. Disc brakes take more maintenance That's my take on things Btw you should build up a rim brakes bike. Why not. Sorry for being so lengthy
That's a lot of words from someone that admits to not having discs. Literally none of these reasons actually happen. 1) Loctite exists. And I've never had a bolt loosen, let alone come out. 2) Chances are if something can puncture your brake housing, its going to trash it whether its cable or fluid. And, in many years riding in a place where the plants have evolved rapiers, I've never had a hydr line open up on me. This is something that people who never use hydraulic brakes worry about, as is most of your list to be honest. 3) There's not one kind of brake pad. Some compounds wear quick. Some compounds the pad wears down the rotor before itself. So this isn't a legitimate comparison. 4) Never had a problem with this. And, they're simple to bend. Also, rim calipers get offset periodically and must be recentered themselves. So this isn't a win for rims 5) Be honest, how often do you actually do this? No one does this unless you're one of the 10 or so people on the entire planet making a living doing bike review on youtube. Nevermind, btw, very few mechanical disc calipers are interchangeable between flat vs drop bar levers. Disc brakes are LESS maintenance than rims. Hydraulic disc are less maintenance than mechanical, mainly because the piston position self adjusts over time. Your list only exists because you've never actually owned them.
Each to their own, mechanical brakes a a great more cost effective alternative to rim brakes. I’ve never had a six bolt rotor come loose…quite the opposite…I find them annoying as they take so long to remove. Centre lock is my preference…like with all vital parts I regularly check the bolt tension. Also in the stem, seatpost, wheels. A twig will never puncture a hydraulic cable, they are super tough…you need a good pair of cutters to trim them so there’s no chance a splinter will go through. The pads may wear out quicker in the wet than rim…but that’s because the disc pads are stopping your wheel whereas the rim brakes are wearing down your rim in the wet. Having worked as a messenger for 10 years…a part of it on a road bike…in my experience rim brake pads wear much faster. The rotors only need to be trued if you ding them…they are much more durable than you think. Hence being the choice for mtb, downhill…I’ve crashed bikes numerous times and not bent a disc yet…although always remove them before flying with a bike…the airline will trash them. I’d be interested to see how you get on with discs…do you think your opinion would change after riding them for a while?
@@DaveNoakes i don't know. Can't afford a completely new bike yet. I ride what I can afford. Right now it's vintage rim brakes bikes. Btw the reason I pointed out a hole in the brake line was that it happened to a friend of mine on a descent with hydro brakes .
If you think rim brakes are bad in the wet, you should try rod brakes (especially with chromed steel wheels!). You missed another advantage of disk brakes over dual pivots - they allow stupidly big tyres and mud clearance. If you want big tyres, rim brakes, and mud clearance, you need cantis, and they are such a PITA to set up that disks might be easier, and may also be quieter for much of the time. However, rim brakes are much cheaper. No need for through axles, no need for super tight tolerances at the mount, no need for straight sturdy forks, no need for bleeding and all that gear, you can take it all apart and put it back together with an allen key and a spanner. If your road bike doesn't have carbon wheels, you can probably get away with rim brakes and save a fortune. I still have cantis on my 'cross bike (that I'm saving so I can race if I ever get fit). It's easy to swap wheels, they are mega light, and all the kit is cheap, so crashing doesn't hurt the wallet much. That said, if you were to offer me a new bike, I'd probably take a 1kg weight penalty for the reliability and performance of disks.
Dave, I don't know if this issue is widespread, but today I discovered that my Subscribe option for your channel had changed from All to Personalised. I wondered why I hadn't heard from you for a couple of weeks! It was definitely set to All, as I really enjoy your videos and had been receiving notifications until two weeks ago. Bloody TH-cam!
It all depends on the bike and what it’s use is- I love the rim brakes on my Ribble Urban 725s Single Speed. But on my Gravel and Mountain bikes, disc brakes are a must.
I agree and disagree at the same time- yes disk brakes are better for all the reasons you mentioned but if you commute i would say simplify your bike and rim brakes are simpler and easier to fix by the side of the road and at home for most people! 🤘🏼
I ride both rim and disc im a firm rim brake fan but the first bike i bought my wife was a Nukeproof digger 650b disc brake bike as its definitely safer bike to ride. I think we just wanted a choice when the big brands went disc. I actually never had one issue with my disc brake Cube cross pro cyclocross bike but friends have sold theirs and gone back to rim great content again Dave.
Agree with you per disk brakes....however Cables are superior as far as tech since they can be repaired by almost anyone whereas hydraulics are best left to those with mechanical skills. That being said I STILL prefer to have a bike mechanic work on my cables. Brakes are good.
I love my disc brake bike and my rim brake bike , I run ee brakes with black prince pads on my rim brake bike , they are incredible, stopping power is awsome , disc brakes are the better alrounder though your right on that one and you don't have to replace your rim thats a big downer , I solve this by hardly using my brakes😂
I wouldn't say they're rubbish... but discs are better. Carbon rims are rubbish for rim brakes. Stopping power aside, you can fit wider tyres with discs, so more comfort and grip. And why would anyone not want that?
Dave, please. You are better than this. Yes, disc brakes are better. We all agree. BUT, that does not mean rim brakes are rubbish. Before disc brakes, we all went around cycling and not falling off cliffs due to lack of breaking. They can both exist.
This is such an old hat argument! Ride what you like. Live and let live as people say. But disc brakers are so insecure they have to keep the argument going on and on. I own both and on road rim brakes are all you need unless you’re a fat lump. I will never buy a road bike with disc brakes! I’ve never worn out a rim on rim brakes and never ride in the rain. So those two are moot points! But I have had disc brakes not stop me in the rain and they squeal in the dry as well as wet.
disk brakes are for people who don't know how to control there speed I have two bikes with rim a trek domane al2 and a track bike with a front rim brake my gravel bike as disk brakes funny thing is rim brakes stop me faster than disk brakes do and last longer because I control my speed
Better in what way aesthetically absolutely not simplicity nope weight no again repairability/service ease no chance stopping power yeah chance of a noob grabbing a handful and binning it yep.
I disagree…I think discs look better than rim brakes. There’s also the routing issue with cables…it’s hard to internally route cables and gears and have them still work cleanly. The stopping power could be an issue to new users…this is definitely something people making the switch should be aware of. Servicing is a pain is the ass with discs…but I service them less than rim brakes in the past.
They are better…it’s been proven so many times. I don’t mind a wet ride….here in the uk if you won’t ride in the rain then you’re never riding outside 😂
What are you talking about?! All the fancy stuff gets into your head and you go down the clickbait way… sad… the discussion is rubbish, ride whatever you have, stay safe and enjoy your life. Rim brakes are fine, alu rims are fine, no need for posh clothes, dentist bike and controversial vids to be happy… what is going on with the cycling scene lately, all about the stuff, the spirit is dead….
Both my road bikes are RIm bikes. Love them, in the wet I just chill a bit more than normal. I won't unsubscribe, I enjoy the lovely routes you show. I mostly ride in London so its a form of escapism. Cheers.
Have to say, Dave, my Time Alpe d’Huez with rim brakes is considerably lighter than some of the so called premium disc brake bikes at the moment. I think you’re right about the stopping power, but us old guys have been riding rim brakes models for decades without any issues. However, I do have several disc brake bikes - horses for courses! Great channel by the way!
When I bought my first road-type bike 8 years ago I specifically wanted disk brakes not necessarily for braking performance but because the design allows for wider tires. (This was a little before gravel was a thing) As someone who initially rode only mountain (with V-brakes), most of my best routes had some connecting trail (some call this gravel) and I knew that 25/28 mm tires would not be ideal. Then it turns out that experiments showed that wider road tires could actually be more efficient (faster) than narrow on most real world surfaces, including many road surfaces. So disc brakes provide the additional benefit of being more flexible by being able to accommodate both narrow and wider tires, and wider road tires won't necessarily slow you down.
I found that out when I got rim cx bike. It allows me to go from 23c to 35c tires
Thanks Dave...I am OAF , grew up riding rim brakes . I love disc brakes for the reasons you mentioned , and I have 3 bikes now , all disc .
I have both. Discs are better but rims good enough for road riding.
Hey Dave. 4 bike owner here, 2 steel single speed with rim brakes (one with v brakes), and 2 carbon disc road bikes. While I like the simplicity of the rim brakes, disc are the better option because as you mentioned: the braking surface is no longer your wheel, and they are consistent in all weather. I don’t like rim brakes in the rain, but with discs in a downpour, the brakes work exactly the same and don’t get the rims all full of aluminum hoop that the brakes are shaving off of the wheel.
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I just like at the start you didn't show how hard that hill was coming out of Cockington.
It’s a bit of a steep one
Did I spot Cockington for a split second there?
You sure did
Rim brakes has been working fine for the last 50 years at lest. It’s still good especially for people like me who seldom ride. For the daily riders which do long descent riding in the rain then yes it’s good for those riders
Fair enough
Totally outrageous! I am writing to my local MP about this.
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Rim brakes for road disc for off road .
I think this a common view
A nice rim brake bike second hand is so much cheaper than the price of a disk bike. I have 3 road rim brakers. Affordability is a key factor here too I feel Dave.
Good point
Do you even wear out disc pads before getting a new bike? So why worry that or worry what other people use.
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Dave, I agree 100%. In the wet, discs just work. Rim brakes irtually don't.
I have Magura hydraulic rim brakes on my bike. They're better than cable actuated rim brakes, but not a patch on discs. Especially on steep descents.
BTW: My road bike is 20 years old. But my next one will definitrly have discs.
Hydraulic rim brakes are much better than cable…but like you say not as good as discs.
Yes discs are more powerful, yes you do not wear out your carbon time but no mention was made about how much cheaper, easier to maintain and aesthetically neater called brakes are.
I think disc brakes look better myself
@@DaveCM me too.
Rim brakes look way better
Spot on Dave.
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My road bike is rim brake on carbon wheels . The brakes are brilliant as long as it’s dry . I did d a wet crit this year in the wet and most were on discs and I really had trouble not riding into the back of them braking into a corner . My cross bike is hydraulic dis and is utterly amazing. Screech in the wet but I’m used to that . Discs are better . However my road bike I mostly use in summer and thought about an upgrade but why spend the money for something I now use for 30% of my cycling . When I need to up grade my road bike will go disc . But my cross/gravel bike does everything for me most of the time . Feels like I did a “Dave waffle” there . I guess I like both in the right conditions , but sway towards disc
Agree with you Dave about rim brakes not stopping as well as disc brakes in the wet. My commuter is on rim brakes and whenever it's wet i need to brake and slow down a lot earlier and in a couple of instances overshot the entrance into the estate
rim all the way for me I have three bikes all rim and love easy set up maintenance. Maybe it makes sense for mountain bikes it makes sense but never had an issue with rim break or worry about stopping in wet or dry.
You’re right. No argument from me. I have a retro steel frame with rim brakes but it’s just for a fun. All other bikes hydro disc.
I want a steel rim bike for fun! It’s a must have!
There's a time and a place for both. I have a Summer Bike and rim brakes suit it to a tee. That being said there's good reason mountain bikes ditched cantilever brakes for disc.
True…a nice dry sunny summers day is when rim brakes actually work
@@DaveNoakes Aluminium rim tracks perform better in the wet than carbon ones IMO. Although the clamping force of cables and a hydraulic disc system are like night and day.
Correct
I agree with you mate, rim brakes are only good for occasional riders, serious riders require disc brakes for sure 💪🏾
Thanks for commenting…even better that you agree!
Not bothering to watch the video, just here for the comments
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I think you have made a slight mistake by generalising the use of rim brakes on carbon wheels. Not veryone uses carbon wheels partcularly as they are more often heavier than alloys. I suppose the bling factor is an element. From what I have read carbon rims and rim brakes don't necessarily make a good combination anyway. However, in my experience a good quality rim with a set of Swisstop pads in the rim brakes will just about stop anywhere, dry or wet. I am only a 70kg rider though but I have been up quite a few of the famous Alpine and Pyrenean climbs and had no problem descending whatsoever. You only have to watch videos of previous professionals descending from major climbs on goo wheels with high quality brakes and pads. They weren't going slow to take in the views.
That’s a good point regarding rim material. I’m pretty sure pros would be fastest descending on discs than rims.
Rim brakes are great. Nice and Light. plenty of power. they break just as good even in the wet with the right wheel. Hed jet black rims will brake very well in the wet.
They do brake in the wet….but it’s still not as good as a decent disc set up.
@@DaveNoakes have you tried the Hed black wheels? with the textured rim brake track?
@@rothgartheviking858 yes, those and the zipp textured ones are great but to get good stopping power you need the good pads…downside is the good pads wear extremely fast.
@@DaveNoakes Thanks for the insight.
not based on nostalgia, am afraid, and they do work. I had both disc & rim brakes. Takes me 5 min to change the cables on rim brakes. Super easy to fine tune clearance on the go, zero adjustment with disc if it rubs try removing the wheel and then try again... The horrible noise discs can make in the wet, or when pads contaminated with oil..the entire street knows you're trying to slow down a little. Take the bottom bracket out if you need to change the brake hose... max headache. It's great for gravel, MTB, e-bike, sure. Rims with textured brake track brake so well, I never felt the need for discs on a lightweight road bike with 25mm tyres.
Eeeeh but no! You say this like I’ve never ridden rim brakes, I’ve used them for years, on textured rims…btw they are also proper noisy. They don’t work as well in the wet as disc brakes, once discs are set up they require less maintenance and last longer than rim. They work better…the only downside I can see is the noise in the wet and a slight weight penalty (which no longer matters).
The entire world/pro racing scene aren’t using disc brakes on bikes as some marketing scam…they are just better.
I have to say Dave..I have rim breaks on my Summer bike(Cannondale Supersix evo) and my winter bike (Dolan preffisio)..and the summer bike I have no issues at all ..however the winter bike..well let’s just say I have had my moments😬…I would like to change and experience disc breaks..but can’t justify buying today’s ridiculous prices for a new bike.. great subject to discuss Dave 👍🏻👍🏻
Since I don't have a bike with disc brakes I can't say. However, if I had one I would get one with mechanical center lock iso tech rotors
The reasons are as follows: With six bolt one more of the bolts could loosen over time.
Secondly while on gravel or any surface for that matter a twig or small piece of metal could puncture the brake line causing fluid to leak out ( hence no brakes) that's a plus for internal cable routing 😊
Third, the disc pads wear out quicker than rim brakes pads
Fourth which is hardly ever mentioned. The rotors themselves need to be true over time.
Fifth . Conversion. If you want to convert from flat bar to drop bar and vice versa you have get new disc mounts
So for me it comes down to one word MAINTENANCE. Disc brakes take more maintenance
That's my take on things
Btw you should build up a rim brakes bike. Why not.
Sorry for being so lengthy
That's a lot of words from someone that admits to not having discs. Literally none of these reasons actually happen.
1) Loctite exists. And I've never had a bolt loosen, let alone come out.
2) Chances are if something can puncture your brake housing, its going to trash it whether its cable or fluid. And, in many years riding in a place where the plants have evolved rapiers, I've never had a hydr line open up on me. This is something that people who never use hydraulic brakes worry about, as is most of your list to be honest.
3) There's not one kind of brake pad. Some compounds wear quick. Some compounds the pad wears down the rotor before itself. So this isn't a legitimate comparison.
4) Never had a problem with this. And, they're simple to bend. Also, rim calipers get offset periodically and must be recentered themselves. So this isn't a win for rims
5) Be honest, how often do you actually do this? No one does this unless you're one of the 10 or so people on the entire planet making a living doing bike review on youtube. Nevermind, btw, very few mechanical disc calipers are interchangeable between flat vs drop bar levers.
Disc brakes are LESS maintenance than rims. Hydraulic disc are less maintenance than mechanical, mainly because the piston position self adjusts over time. Your list only exists because you've never actually owned them.
@@cjohnson3836 okay
Each to their own, mechanical brakes a a great more cost effective alternative to rim brakes.
I’ve never had a six bolt rotor come loose…quite the opposite…I find them annoying as they take so long to remove. Centre lock is my preference…like with all vital parts I regularly check the bolt tension. Also in the stem, seatpost, wheels.
A twig will never puncture a hydraulic cable, they are super tough…you need a good pair of cutters to trim them so there’s no chance a splinter will go through.
The pads may wear out quicker in the wet than rim…but that’s because the disc pads are stopping your wheel whereas the rim brakes are wearing down your rim in the wet.
Having worked as a messenger for 10 years…a part of it on a road bike…in my experience rim brake pads wear much faster.
The rotors only need to be trued if you ding them…they are much more durable than you think. Hence being the choice for mtb, downhill…I’ve crashed bikes numerous times and not bent a disc yet…although always remove them before flying with a bike…the airline will trash them.
I’d be interested to see how you get on with discs…do you think your opinion would change after riding them for a while?
@@DaveNoakes i don't know. Can't afford a completely new bike yet. I ride what I can afford. Right now it's vintage rim brakes bikes. Btw the reason I pointed out a hole in the brake line was that it happened to a friend of mine on a descent with hydro brakes .
I don't ride on carbon wheels or in the rain. Rim brakes FTW!
Fair
i have a pair of aliexpress carbon wheels rim that are 6 years old without any wear after 20000 km . i ride almost everyday
Getting old Dave mate, I remember when foot against a tyre on a fixie was enough.
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If you think rim brakes are bad in the wet, you should try rod brakes (especially with chromed steel wheels!).
You missed another advantage of disk brakes over dual pivots - they allow stupidly big tyres and mud clearance. If you want big tyres, rim brakes, and mud clearance, you need cantis, and they are such a PITA to set up that disks might be easier, and may also be quieter for much of the time.
However, rim brakes are much cheaper. No need for through axles, no need for super tight tolerances at the mount, no need for straight sturdy forks, no need for bleeding and all that gear, you can take it all apart and put it back together with an allen key and a spanner. If your road bike doesn't have carbon wheels, you can probably get away with rim brakes and save a fortune.
I still have cantis on my 'cross bike (that I'm saving so I can race if I ever get fit). It's easy to swap wheels, they are mega light, and all the kit is cheap, so crashing doesn't hurt the wallet much. That said, if you were to offer me a new bike, I'd probably take a 1kg weight penalty for the reliability and performance of disks.
Dave, I don't know if this issue is widespread, but today I discovered that my Subscribe option for your channel had changed from All to Personalised. I wondered why I hadn't heard from you for a couple of weeks! It was definitely set to All, as I really enjoy your videos and had been receiving notifications until two weeks ago. Bloody TH-cam!
Agree..
It all depends on the bike and what it’s use is- I love the rim brakes on my Ribble Urban 725s Single Speed. But on my Gravel and Mountain bikes, disc brakes are a must.
I agree and disagree at the same time- yes disk brakes are better for all the reasons you mentioned but if you commute i would say simplify your bike and rim brakes are simpler and easier to fix by the side of the road and at home for most people! 🤘🏼
True…but what is it about your bakes you’re fixing at the side of the road? I’ve not had to stop a commute due to brakes…bloody punctures however 😢
I ride both rim and disc im a firm rim brake fan but the first bike i bought my wife was a Nukeproof digger 650b disc brake bike as its definitely safer bike to ride. I think we just wanted a choice when the big brands went disc. I actually never had one issue with my disc brake Cube cross pro cyclocross bike but friends have sold theirs and gone back to rim great content again Dave.
What was their reason for going back to rim brakes? I've never known one person to go back to rim.
Agree with you per disk brakes....however Cables are superior as far as tech since they can be repaired by almost anyone whereas hydraulics are best left to those with mechanical skills. That being said I STILL prefer to have a bike mechanic work on my cables. Brakes are good.
I agree, modern stuff is better. It's called progress. Cheers Dave keep up the great work.
Oh no here come Durianrider lol.
Harley is going to show some awesome road bike crash videos of disc brakes on road bikes. That's a real thing.
People only crash when running disc brakes
@@DaveNoakes - Yes, when they fail. On road bikes they fail.
Disc brakes all day for me
Same
You softened the title Dave!! next time can I suggest a title like "Rim brake users to be JAILED" 😅
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The only good thing about rim brakes is that I can get spares from hard rubbish 😂
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I have rim brakes with carbon wheels and it’s crap.
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Get a ride of your life dude and go full fat retro rim stopping, down tube shifts and skinny rubber and f@#k convention🤟
Ohhh I want one
@@DaveNoakes Its mad, but so do I🤣
I love my disc brake bike and my rim brake bike , I run ee brakes with black prince pads on my rim brake bike , they are incredible, stopping power is awsome , disc brakes are the better alrounder though your right on that one and you don't have to replace your rim thats a big downer , I solve this by hardly using my brakes😂
I wouldn't say they're rubbish... but discs are better. Carbon rims are rubbish for rim brakes. Stopping power aside, you can fit wider tyres with discs, so more comfort and grip. And why would anyone not want that?
Rim brakes every time none of that horrible screeching from discs, use decent pads swiss stop,
I’ve used Swiss stop…they are just not as effective as discs in the wet…no matter which pad you use. Even the expensive pads still wear your rims.
Dave, please. You are better than this. Yes, disc brakes are better. We all agree. BUT, that does not mean rim brakes are rubbish. Before disc brakes, we all went around cycling and not falling off cliffs due to lack of breaking. They can both exist.
Ok so the thumbnail is to get people to click and discuss. In the video I clearly say why I like rim brakes…it’s all a bit of fun.
Actually some people did go off of cliffs on rim brake bikes.
@@DaveCMactually I went through a junction in the rain on disc brakes. We’ve all got our stories!
Rim brakes are deffo better that trp spyre cable discs
For what you ride Dave then disc for me I prefer rim 😊 everyone likes different things it what makes us all unique 😊 just my opinion Pete
Well said Pete
This is such an old hat argument! Ride what you like. Live and let live as people say. But disc brakers are so insecure they have to keep the argument going on and on. I own both and on road rim brakes are all you need unless you’re a fat lump. I will never buy a road bike with disc brakes! I’ve never worn out a rim on rim brakes and never ride in the rain. So those two are moot points! But I have had disc brakes not stop me in the rain and they squeal in the dry as well as wet.
“Ride what you like” - well said!
disk brakes are for people who don't know how to control there speed I have two bikes with rim a trek domane al2 and a track bike with a front rim brake my gravel bike as disk brakes funny thing is rim brakes stop me faster than disk brakes do and last longer because I control my speed
Ok so the entire pro peloton cannot control their speed as well as you can…right…makes sense 😂
@@DaveNoakes I don't wait untill the last second to slow down or stop I ride on the streets with cars trucks and SUVs
Yeah disc brake are best but why are you wearing a PeNiS top?
😂😂😂 I wondered if anyone would comment on that. I found it in the cupboard so thought I’d rock some PeNiS kit today
Better in what way aesthetically absolutely not simplicity nope weight no again repairability/service ease no chance stopping power yeah chance of a noob grabbing a handful and binning it yep.
I disagree…I think discs look better than rim brakes. There’s also the routing issue with cables…it’s hard to internally route cables and gears and have them still work cleanly.
The stopping power could be an issue to new users…this is definitely something people making the switch should be aware of. Servicing is a pain is the ass with discs…but I service them less than rim brakes in the past.
They are not better, but they are way less faff, and who rides in the rain? Thats what zwifts for!
They are better…it’s been proven so many times. I don’t mind a wet ride….here in the uk if you won’t ride in the rain then you’re never riding outside 😂
I bought rim because it's cheaper
What are you talking about?! All the fancy stuff gets into your head and you go down the clickbait way… sad… the discussion is rubbish, ride whatever you have, stay safe and enjoy your life. Rim brakes are fine, alu rims are fine, no need for posh clothes, dentist bike and controversial vids to be happy… what is going on with the cycling scene lately, all about the stuff, the spirit is dead….
The spirit is still there, I wouldn’t take things so seriously if I were you.
@@DaveNoakes really? So pure clickbait, then? Talk about spirit…
@@PavoniFan mate I’ve done over 500 vlogs…maybe go watch those before trying to cal me out on the spirit of cycling 😂
@@DaveNoakes i did… today‘s video was only about clicks and comments… what a useless discussion… anyway, have fun and stay safe!