I was so mad when Santa turned out to be the villain, he gave a wonderful explanation as to why he didn't pick candy, the job is all about delivering presents to kids and someone who can't connect with kids is just wrong for the job. Why did they have to go for the cliche twist villain trope when he was doing so well?
@@jeffythesomething8772 yep, they probably realized that Santa’s reasoning was picture perfect, and knew they had to do something drastic in order to make Candy look right.
This is actually worse than the last of us part 2. That game never fucked up this bad because this one literally has it’s best saving grace right in front of itself.
Most likely because as an audience, we were expecting the series to be summed up with that speech and for Candy to learn a life lesson that would've progressed her as a character (as is expected in the Christmas specials this series was satirizing.) But, no. They just went: "Screw it", and went with the cliche ending BECAUSE it was unexpected (and Somehow that is supposed to be funny.)
Damn. Santa explaining his successor decision to Candy was legit one of the most profound speeches I've ever heard. It's a real shame that it's not only attached to this tripe -- but it's treated as if Santa was just "mansplaining" to her and thrown away like it meant nothing. The writers truly are tone-deaf.
The worst part is, by their logic they had to get Santa to dislike her over a minor thing. Problem is, liking children is an ESSENTIAL JOB OF SANTA So they say they don't understand Christmas by making the BIGGEST PART into a "Oh no sorry you can't do it" for this egotistical brat.
@@linkkraft3358 yeah like if this show was in Russia or Italy it wouldn't happen. Not just because of quality control but also because they have female Santa equivalents (though Russia's is young, white, and blonde so Twitter might be in a doozy like usual.) Either way this show is too bitter. We just got out of a pandemic, literally no one asked for the one happy holiday to be so cynical and shitty after this year. Gimme my Rankin-Bass over this any day.
I like how the show shoots down its own 'Santa is always a white man' in literally the first episode when Santa was going to pick a black man as his successor. Like, right off the bat it shoots itself in the foot.
@crossbones116 Yeah, by having him work at Amazon. Hell the black guy doesn't have an ounce of agency, which implies waaaaaay too much, but I'm just being jaded.
That Santa scene is actually incredible. When Santa saw how she interacted with children, he realized that she didn't want the position to bring joy to the world, she wanted the position just so she could be the first female Santa. While Santa liked her and her ideas, he realized that she didn't have her heart in the right place and someone with that attitude towards the job and towards children could never be a worthy Santa that children around the globe would write to. Like how are you gonna be Santa if you don't even want to read the kid's letters? It's a shame that they missed this and made Santa out to be the villain. The show would've probably been much better if episode 6 was the last episode.
Yeah someone that has big ambitions just for the sake of ambition can only lead to disaster, it's not even somebody with good intentions that unintentionally hurt others, if someone just wants something to mark their name in the stars they'll do anything to achieve it no matter how many must be left behind or atrocities must be commited
Also her ego was just insufferable like she said behind the scenes wasn't good enough for her like she could of asked to be recognized for what she does and have a title and evan if that wasn't given she still forgot that there were good people who sometimes don't evan get noticed for there things
It’s kinda like Kamala Harris. Ran for the position just for the title, but doesn’t actually want to/know how to operate in that position. But hey, she’s a woman!
sarah silverman and seth rogan are jewish and *very* vocal about disliking christianity. im not sure why anyone expected even a modicum of positivity about the holiday in this terrible *terrible* series !!!
Candy should've been a villain protagonist. Like, we start out thinking "Oh, everyone is sexist! They don't want a female santa! Poor Candy!" but Candy just gets worse and worse, until we're thinking "Wow Candy doesn't deserve this job at all"
There isn't many protagonists I can say I actually hate but this is one of them. Everytime it looks like she may be able to redeem herself or there's actually some decent reason that will pay off for her rubbish, I got disappointed hard. I don't know who was actually supposed to like this character when they wrote her
@KaraDUN Breaking Bad is the best example of recent times. The Sopranos would be another one. Edit: 'Lucifer' just occured to me. I haven't seen it, bit people seem to love it. I assume he's a villain, but I guess he might be an anti-hero or something. Again, I haven't seen it
Honestly that scene in the 6th episode where Santa explains why he didn't pick her is a perfect representation of the show's reception as a whole. A reasonable person gives a perfectly valid and well-thought explanation for why they didn't enjoy it, and Seth Rogan just starts slinging insults in defense and goes on the warpath.
That’s not what the speech was though, Santa told her she would be doing work behind the scenes but not any credit as the Face. Apples and Oranges, here.
@@ChicoDiamante Which shows that's all Candy really wanted, validation. Nevermind she'd be THE most powerful person in Santa Inc. She'd have all the authority and decision-making power. "Something's gotta change!" as she put it - she'd be able to change things from behind the scenes... ...But in the end all she cared about was taking the credit for bringing "change".
One thing I learned in my creative writing class is that you can't fix an unlikable hero solely by making everyone else even more detestable. You're still left with the problem of a bad protagonist.
@@eatatjoes6751 It goes from a show about bad people doing bad things (e.g. It's Always Sunny, SUPERJAIL!, Breaking Bad,) to a show about miserable people making each other miserable and making you miserable in the process. You can have crapsack worlds and shitbag characters that are still fun to watch and be around, but this show chose not to do that.
In fact, that leaves you with a bigger problem. Now everyone in your story are jackasses, which can make your audience doesn't care of what will happen to them in the story.
I actually agreed with Santa when he chose Devin as the next Santa Claus. Like, Candy is more of a person who just wants to get the work right. She didn't seem to care about the kids. She only cared about perfect delivery. And when she said "Fuck you" to Santa, I was like "Bruh, he has a point. You don't give a crap about children".
It couldve been like a Reagan and Brett situation. Both characters are polar opposites who compliment each others strengths. Brett’s a social butterfly who’s not entirely good with understand the way things work where as Reagan is the brains who knows how shit goes. Both compliment each other pretty well and episode 7 couldve had that moment where both can realize that they could work together and proved that they can work… But no, Santa’s Evil so that means she’s in the right. Like… get fucked. Not you, I meant the show.
“Santa’s character is basically someone who is trying to be progressive, but in trying so hard to do so, actually comes off as kind of offensive himself” Just like Seth Rogan himself
8:46 I'm so sick of shows that when a women is acting abusive to their boyfriend or husband it's played as a joke, but when the roles are reversed it's taken seriously Men can be abused and it's honestly disgusting that this type of normalisation on abuse cause the person who's reserving it is a guy, abusive relationships can happen to anyone regardless of gender and we shouldn't be downplaying and making jokes about it when the person receiving said abuse is a guy
I know what you mean. That's one of the reasons I hate characters in anime like Winry Rockbell in FMA. Chi Chi in Dragonball Z and Sakura in Naruto. Aldo why I was one of the IchiHime shippers in Bleach, cause I can;t STAND Rukia.
@@colleen4ever To be fair, while I understand where you're coming from, Chi Chi had a right to be pissed off especially since Goku was constantly either gone or putting his son in danger. Naruto when he was younger was a straight up pervert. Winry is probably the only valid one, but then again constantly breaking something that you put your heart and soul into is a bit frsutrating. Also most of these guys are superhuman so it's really downplayed. Doesn't make it right but it's not exactly the same.
@@totozhu4543 Ha, Winry cares more about her damn automail then anything else, even her friends! True, she may put her heart and soul into the automail but if Ed didn;t have it, he would have been KILLED multiple times! But noooo, just don;t dent the automail! God, would she rather Ed be killed but the automail stays intact?! You can build more automail, you can't build another person! And I just don't understand why Chi Chi never just left Goku if she was that unhappy in the marriage! And it wasn;t just Goku, she beat up her own FATHER one time with a broom for pete;s sake! And Sakura was beating Naruto even after he grew out of the pervert thing because he was having trouble bring back her precious Sasuke!
You can tell when a show or a movie is bad when a executive producer says that people who hate this movie are all white supremacists. Really show how mature he is and how someone takes criticism.
@@TheSapphireLeo well yeah he is woke.. and a lot of woke culture is ironically racist, insensitive and bigoted lol, the very things they pretend to be against
@@michaelknox3715 still indoctrination of extremism. Trying to say out fp touch higher ups is sweeping under the rug of what people acting like mindless swarms being useful idiots regurgitating BS on identity politics shoes the extremism cult side
even worse because Santa factually backed up his point, she literally does not have the one qualifier, even if he is a douchebag after the fact that doesnt mean he was wrong. Even the worst of people get at least a few things right, they breathe air, drink water, eat food, etc and when his claims are factually substantiated you cant just have him be a douche later and then wipe that away.
@@robonator2945 Exactly. How do the writers of the show expect us to side with her when he lays out everything explicitly? Suddenly making him a villain doesn't negate the truth of the things he said earlier.
@@TSBJunkie Honestly this is a really common issue with shows; they have someone be the villian and do some bad things and just expect us to forget that no they actually have a very valid point. Like all things the "for the greater good" argument isn't a binary "you said it so you're wrong" thing and a lot of shows have the villains making very excellent points that no, seriously, they may be right this may be a necessary thing but shrug it off just because "oh well, they're the villain so it doesn't count". Sometimes it seems sort of intentional like we're not supposed to just assume the protagonists are actually the defacto good guys and there is nuance, but other times it just feels like the writers didn't bother to think about what the villains were actually fighting for long enough. (in hindsight, not just shows, I can think of movies, games, books, all sorts of crap that has this issue.)
@@robonator2945 This is why alot of fans gave credit to black panther's killmonger. T'Challa even after winning the right to be king and Black Panther, didn't dismiss the points his villian made. I also love his interactions with Zemo in cival war.
God, that comment on sexual harassment just reminded me of something. I once had a girl twerk right in my face at a party, and I tried to get away, but I was sitting on the couch and really couldn't get out of the way. I kept leaning back and tried to make it very clear that I didn't like it. The girl asked if it made me uncomfortable and I said yes, please stop. Later on, same girl did it again. It took a male coworker of mine to make a joke about me being gay to get her to stop. I'm straight, but I wasn't attracted to her and didn't like being put on the spot like that. It's crazy how normalized that kind of behavior is towards men. Everyone thinks we're horny all the time so we must always want sex all the time. Even other men take that stance. Hell, I have a hard time labelling that as sexual harrassment, but yeah, it is. In terms of relationships and sex, the woman is always right. Doesn't matter if the guy wants it or not, because it's not a question for them, of course they want it. I never talk about this because I don't want to admit that it happened to me, and I don't think others would take it seriously. Fuck this show making that a joke
I'm sorry that happened to you. It's ok to talk about it and you shouldn't feel like people will probably laugh at you or just not take you seriously. Growing up, I would hear sometimes about a male being taken advantage of a female teacher, boss etc. And I would hear about how people think that the boy scored and is a legend. While some others say that it's not sexual harrassment because men want sex all the time...
@@SpriteIsSpicyWater Your response is why I wanted to suggest this dudes experience was a copy pasta. People unironically do post fake stories about "I held a door open for some whale of a woman and she yelled at me for being toxic masculinity" to drum up some kind of "Feminists hate men!" replies. You're really not helping further normalization of men being sexually harassed if your response isn't to call attention to the harassment, but to feminism and blaming them for said harassment.
@@seventeenseventythirteen7465 i agree about the response but you cant just deny it being real. He had an unfortunate experience that just so happened to be caused by a woman. Theres no hidden motif about how he hates all women, he was harrased.
I once heard the phrase “being a man in general society is like being the favorite child in an abusive household.” My household isn’t what I would call abusive, but I do have experience being the favorite child, watching my dad come down harder on my brothers than me, wishing to be held more accountable but also secretly relived he’s not like that with me, being resented by my brothers, knowing I’m favored because I’m AFAB and therefore dads “little girl” (which is meaningless), and then also being scared shitless of stepping out of line because I wouldn’t want dad to growl at me the same way he does my brothers. And that was literally the best metaphor I could’ve been given because I understood instantly how shitty male gender roles are in the only way I could ever come to understand
"You can talk all day about making Christmas great for the children, who will one day lead the world, but can you _talk to them? Connect with them? No,_ they ran away from you." self awareness levels: 99.9%. they were so close.
Absolutely vile.The fact the show actually had a chance to redeem itself only to completely drop the ball just proves that this is one of the worst holiday shows ever conceived.May it be forgotten and never spoken of again in the coming years.
It might be forgotten definitely. Remember that awful woke Cinderella film that premiered on Amazon Prime (which was said to be so bad even the Cult of Woke hated it)? Three months later, pretty much everyone has forgotten that film existed, that's how fast it aged like milk.
I love how this "show" was Velma before Velma. It's starting to feel like the people behind these projects are having a long-term competition to see who can make the worst show ever made.
That was a really good explanation to why candy couldn't be the next Santa. It wasn't racist, it wasn't sexist, it wasn't condescending, it should be one of the best character changing moments in the show. But the moment candy said 'go fuck yourself' to Santa was the moment this show could never redemn itself
It could have redeemed itself, the simplistic petty "go fuck yourself" could've been a cold closing to the scene used to communicate that candy is still not getting it or something and will learn the hard way, y'know to go with the 10 million other clearly intentionally communicated character flaws including the primary reason of the discussion of not being good with kids. Where the show really fucks up is when they wasted all of that by making Santa actually "bad" in the most forced way possible. "Because anytime someone you antagonize gives you an answer you don't want that countless people more driven than you have to make do with, it must be because they're lying snakes!!!" Coming from Seth "AHUGH AHUGH AHUGH" Rogan and the muppets that made sausage party
I think it could have been saved, but not by THOSE writers. The moment Candy said f off and walked away, it could have been the starting point where the show began showing the environment not from Candy's perspective, but from a third person, objectively this time. Progressively we learn how Santa has been right all along, while we gradually see Candy becoming the villain, going down a path of ignorance and hate against all those who denied her dominance over the company, revealing how she doesn't care about making kids happy, but more about her gaining full control over the place and establishing her rules. It could be easily achievable, considering how toxic her character was shown to be since the begining... But I guess the people who run it sympathise more with her than they do with anyone else.
It’s STUNNING how the show writes that brilliant bench scene and then spits on it immediately afterwards. I work with children and the most important part of the job is getting kids to feel comfortable around you. Of course, teaching them the material of the day is a must, but it’s all meaningless if they don’t want to be there. When you’re the only adult figure in the room, they want you to be approachable and kind because there’s no parents or siblings or other authority figure who can eject them out. Being someone kids can be themselves around, laugh around, work around, etc. is the real challenge. If Candy were a real woman applying for a position as a day care assistant, teacher, camp instructor, whatever, she’s out day one. Or she’s the horrible, mean bitch that every kid grows up to remember not too fondly
Despite this being a political pile of shit, it actually plays off as I knew it would. I knew she wasn't going to be Santa, and the fact that he gave a definitive answer was what surprised me and it was very logical. Santa isn't just the guy who gives presents, he's someone that the kids adore and admire, that's Santa 101. He even tells her that she's no good with kids, but the intern was.
I really agree with you. It would have been perfect if they didn't ruined Santa's character and made him a villain. That really destroyed that moment. That was very terrible writing. Just when you got a great moment and Santa gave a reasonable speech only for it to be thrown away the next episode.
@@AH-is5yg Sigh...Yep, they were clearly just so focused on the shallow political message that they didn't care about things like nuance. Maybe if they had Santa explicitly say he wanted to take Candy on as the new CEO of Santa Inc while Devin is acting Santa or something...
Definitely agree bc I always remember in every Santa movies he says, "it's never about the present it's the moment we share" that's why he makes kids happy, but I guess she's too dumb and selfish to make that connection
Honestly I thought it would end more like, at least tonally, like Sausage Party, or like another family classic with a similar ending, Inglorious Basterds. You make up for yerself what that amounts to in Santa context.
@@austinmorrison6953 I thought that speech would be a way to end season 1 and then the next season Candy is now CEO and she had to help guild Devin. At first she still angry about Devin being Santa instead of her and overtime she begins to warm up to him. Candy tries to be good with kids, but failed miserably. Devin comes in and he is good with kids. She begins to understand why Santa pick Devin. But no that will happen.
Its a binary argument, all it is, is divisiveness for the sake of protecting their egos, meant to cover up the fact they're just utilizing political jargon as a means of becoming more relevant.
@@PartyPlannerPreston Sad that people can very often only see how bullshit a double standard is because it doesn’t benefit them. It’s what modern feminism has become quite guilty of, but all of society did it in favour of men before that, for thousands of years longer. We’ve all been burned enough that we should know better
Nuh uh, it's just proof that everyone is sexist and they only criticize the work of female creators because they hate women and they don't want to admit that a woman created an amazing show! jk lol
Candy likes to antagonize anybody, even the children and anyone who disagrees with her views and arguments. she got way too obsessed with trying to be the first female non-white Santa just to say that she was the first. That's literally no reason to be Santa. She doesn't even want to spread Joy or happiness or anything. That's not even her objective Her problem is, She can't connect with anybody, not even the audience. Everyone is a hypocrite, Everyone is mean-spirited, Everyone says really stupid and unhumorous things constantly, And Everyone is thinking of themselves a lot. Literally, The only Good guy is Devin! How are we supposed to be rooting for any of the Protagonists at this point?
From what I've seen in clips and whatnot, Cookie's husband comes across as mostly an okay guy too, other than his wussiness in letting Cookie treat him so crappily. Oh, and speaking of whom, I wonder how long it took for the writers to decide that the gingerbread woman should be named "Cookie"? They couldn't have named her "Ginger," or "Sugar," or "Gumdrop," or "Buttercream," or something like that? Maybe even given her a more normal- sounding name (i.e. The obnoxious slutty reindeer gal is named "Goldie")? I work as an Elementary school teacher's assistant, and I know of first- graders who could give her a more creative name!
@@QueenAmour8888 I don't know why when candy is Sarah Silverman a pale woemen, and that is the BIGGEST pedestalised & coddled person in our society🙄. Just because it's the color green doesn't mean it's non-⚪ like the k/ren I see in real life hen pecking everyone even their husband. Candy would not advocate for you a blaq woemen & that reindeer friend is a caricature of cardi B & what they feel about minorities in proximity to THEM
Thats why it had the potential to make an ending where Candy realizes her ego was in her way all the time, but Seth Rogan just made Seth Rogan things and here we are
"Santa blows all these shipping companies away. He delivers more than 2 billion packages in 24 hours. He does it by sleigh. He doesn't use tracking numbers and doesn't use trucks. He just uses midgets and a giant bag" - Beff Jezos
@@DaveInSnitchel Santa's omnipotence can be quite creepy when you think about it (he sees you when you're sleeping and he knows when your awake or being "bad" or "good" so be good or else), the guy can travel at the speed of light to any location despite time zones and deliver presents to children (I wonder if he goes by an age range of who classifies as children) who may or may not celebrate it or know anything about it. Santa's reality bending physics are both interesting and terrifying since he only does it once a year.
@@reichtangleanschluss509 They're producers in that they did the stop-motion. Other than that, it doesn't seem like they had much other input (if they did the show might be way funnier).
I think another interesting outcome would have been if Santa DID choose a female successor, but not Candy, for the same reasons stated. She wouldn't have the excuse of it being based in sexism then, and would have to face the fact that her personality was why she didn't get the job she wanted, rather than her gender. It would have been an avenue to force character growth and have her partially "succeed" in her plan while still not being rewarded for her negative actions. Then she has to make the choice to either support the female successor out of solidarity and help her move forward, or refuse out of pettiness and have to acknowledge that she wanted these things not out of a noble goal of equality, but out of her own jealousy and desire for more power and influence.
Yeah, but see the problem there is that I genuinely think they think Candy being a bitch is "Yaaaasss queen #BossBabe" empowering rather than just very unpleasant. They'd needed to know what they were doing to do this. Honestly a great idea tho - I'd watch the shit outta that
when the "Villain" is the only sane and reasonable character in the whole show you know you've made a mistake somewhere (in this case it's making the show at all)
the sad clown who let himself be convinced he was anything more than a court jester and also has major identity issues because hes buried in identity politics that tell him being jewish is the only good thing about him and hes jewish in ethnicity only with no sense of will to follow the actual faith thus giving him a constant need for external validation due to the collapse of the foundation of his self identity.
If you guys want a good Christmas themed story where Santa has to choose his next successor, watch Arthur Christmas. It's wholesome and really good character writing and drama.
I’ve never seen it, but I’ve heard it’s good! Kinda sad to see how children’s entertainment is way more mature and sophisticated than adults entertainment.
Seriously! Santa’s explanation could’ve saved the show at least a little! Hell, the dialogue while explaining it was actually really good compared to the rest. But then they had to screw it up, and then it became one of the worst comedy shows to ever exist.
I really was about to have my opinion on the show change during the speech. Like I was thinking, “oh this show will finally have some nuance.” But then it all immediately gets thrown out the window like a full bedpan. Fuck this show.
I actually think the premise is pretty interesting. But man, the execution is so bad lmao. Like damn Santa really gave Candy the BEST compromise and she just spat in his face. What a way to make your audience hate the protagonist
There were several parts I liked (Santa’s main option leaving for Amazon is kind of hilarious, when done right), and some cool premises. But then just really bad execution. Besides Santa, of course.
@@cian.o Because she wants the prestige and power of a job without any of the work or responsibility it entails. Which is actually pretty common among a lot of people.
By 14:30 I thought this was going to turn into a, 'all the reviews got it wrong, they weren't really paying attention to the message of the story'. Then directly after, 'nope, it just what you thought it was'. This was the best review of it I've watched. Especially pointing out the hypocrisy.
The fact that Seth just assumed that only white people hate this show is ridiculous. I’m a POC and even though I haven’t watched the show, looking at this review convinced me to hate it
Show was starting to have good message honestly when he gave his reasoning why he picked the intern as his successor and not her but nope show throws it all away to show mmm men bad
@@Deadhead-kq4hr True, Santa showed ture pragmatism and empathy in that scene, like real leader. Then she just tells him to fuck off, just shows how much disdain the writers have for Christmas.
The ending of Episode 6 was absolutely perfect. Had Candy actually accepted Santa's explanation and took accountability for her shitty attitude with kids, I would have eaten my words about how awful the show was. But the writers pissed all of that away by making Santa the stereotypical villain, and making Candy into a Mary Sue who's never wrong.
Well, it would have been a pretty shitty show with one good scene. But they threw even the CHANCE at having *one* good scene away, in place for just another shitty one.
Santa’s reason on episode 6 moment really hit home with me. My sister always talks about how she wants a baby one day, but from what I’ve seen she hates being around kids. I try to explain to her how that there’s a difference between wanting a baby and wanting to be a mother, she said that she’ll learn eventually but ik she doesn’t have maternal instincts. Whenever we babysit our younger cousins she only wants to hold and play with the babies but when the actual responsibilities come to play (such as feeding, changing and bathing and helping them sleep and when they start crying) she leaves me to do the work. Once the babies turn to kids she starts to ignore them. I don’t think that she’s intentionally bad with kids it’s just like what Santa says “you either have it or you don’t.” She also is on the spectrum so I don’t blame her if it’s too overwhelming, it sometimes frustrates me when she says she wants a family but won’t work for it.
I hope she realises her biological children will have a super high chance of being autistic as well. And as an autistic person myself my parents can testify that I screamed constantly and needed more help and time reaching basic milestones than an NT baby.
I legit thought that Steve made the speech himself and at the end would have just said "Just joking! I made that up." I seriously couldn't believe this show could write something that logical.
The thing is, THIS is what Hollywood considers to be the "good guy" character. An attempted murderer who left a wounded man, in pain and possibly dying in the cold and dark to die because he was angry over being hit by a car. A narcissist who is shallow in the extreme and is completely unable (or unwilling) to see anyone beyond what they are physically, a ruthless backstabbing who'll slit throats and betray anyone to get what will satisfy her ego. And Hollywood sees this as a character people should cheer for and aspire to be.
As if most hollywood execs haven't stabbed their own share of backs to get where they are. They think these characters are the heroes because the execs think themselves the heroes.
This is the exact problem with the loss of the church. I don't believe in God, but I do believe in the core Christian values, and when most people were taught this moral framework society was a better place. But with the loss of the Sunday church, other groups have formed with their own particular moral framework, and in this case, the framework focuses on hedonism and group identities. This will not make for a good society.
@@kingcosworth2643 Christians aren't exactly the moral highground, either. Whether you're a good or bad person often has nothing to do with what religion you follow.
I wish animated adult shows had writing like King of the Hill, Archer and Aqua Teen Hunger Force these days. Adult comedy nowadays just consists of someone just blankly farting.
I really appreciate this review a lot, especially because you look beyond just the politics of the show, which is what a lot of other critics tend to get hung up on, and focus on EVERYTHING that's wrong with the show: the humor, the writing, the characters etc.. I especially like how you point out the hypocrisy and double-standards of the show, particularly when it comes to male victims of sexual harassment and marital abuse.
So that’s the second time Seth Rogen brought down a decent animation studio for a meh project. Hopefully this time the animators weren’t as screwed over with their paychecks. It’s stuff like this is why I’m scared for Ninja Turtles’ state after he’s done with them.
@@gabrielneri2820 Well for one, he’s not writing or directing that role, so if he does a decent performance, it will be mainly because of everyone else. Kind of like his role in Kung Fu Panda, which is pretty good and can get a good laugh.
Imagine if Candy took Santa's explanation to heart. Then decides to be the best she can be. Have Amazon come out with some program to usurp Santa and subscription block Christmas. Then Candy makes everyone get their shit together and puts Devon through training hell to make him the best Santa he can be. She gets back at everyone by just improving things all around and eventually becoming the head honcho behind the scenes and sticking it Bezos. But that's just my hot take as someone currently in the shower and who hasn't watched show.
Monster University did it better. If you cant quite reach the spot you wanted because you're just missing a spark no amount of hard work will give you, that doesn't make you worthless and you can still find a compromise that'll make all parties happy.
I’m sorry this woman just hit someone with her car What did she expect? Them to be nice and calm? No you just hit someone with your fucking car, you should’ve expected them to get PISSED OFF AT YOU *ESPECIALLY WHEN IT’S CLEAR OUTSIDE AND THERE’S NO GINORMOUS MOUNDS OF SNOW TO ACTUALLY BLOCK THEM OUT*
Her actions at that moment took what could have been at best a citation and at worst vehicular manslaughter (depending on if he died) and made it a class D Felony, assuming US law.
That whole speech Santa gave about not choosing Candy was actually really good. And then the show shot the scene dead and fucked its corpse on a burning pile of HBO Max subscriber money.
@@vla1ne i was very impressed with the writing for santas speech, i was shocked when steve showed the dumb shit they did after that. It makes me wonder how horrible people can write something beautiful and have they themselves believe that HE'S a piece of shit and not her. I mean THEY wrote it but they wanted the audience, US to think hes bad. Smh I dont know if anyone understood what i was trying to say but yeah
@@Dylan-jp9mr I get you. That is just who they are now. They consider a logical, well thought out argument to be a negative, why do you think they never make a logical answer for why the role of santa should change beyond "it's time for change". To them, a coherent argument is proof positive of all that they deem negative.
Candy leaving someone who said mean things to her to die isn't remotely surprising. Spend 10 minutes looking at how these people act on Twitter and you'll realize they'd do the same thing in real life.
Even if my worst arch nemesis were to do that to me, I would still help him/her because I know I'm less of a shitbag than them and I don't wanna stoop on that level. Rubbing that "see that? Im not am asshole unlike you" in their face. Also some people just have that inherent kindness in them despite their god awful demeanor but egotistical people who think they aren't bad are much worse than some bullies. Bullies know that they are la king something and are insecure and vent out om their targets but some bullies do change for the better
@@janinebelleestrada7096 true, people can change but the twittter users who think there the good guys and are never wrong, those types of people I’m afraid will never change for the better sadly
@@chosenone8456 The question then is how do you handle such evil people who refuse to change for the better? Are you supposed to just sit back and watch them ruin the world?
Inside Job was a great show that did the “got overlooked for the promotion because of X” way better. The main character learns to work together instead of staying bitter.
@@dhnation4975 It definitely reeks of identity politics, but I like how they didn’t make the “straight white male bro” the antagonist like they did with this show. Also, I found it legitimately funny.
Reagan was the fully realized Candy. Not only was she an actual genius with ideas for incognito, but you can actually see her flaws as a person and how shitty it was when her boss didnt make her the head. And she actually felt devoted to that promotion rather than it just being something on a checklist for her
Even with them trying to make Santa look bad for why he didn't choose her, he isn't wrong. When one thinks of Santa, they think of a jolly person who loves and connects with every child in the world. Not someone who's uncomfortable around them and pushes them away.
They didn’t. Don’t get me wrong this show is dogshit. But they never actually say he’s wrong about this. They just have him be a hypocrite who isn’t living up to this standard either. But again they never say he’s wrong.
Anyone remember Arthur Christmas? That movie about how Steve was the prime candidate for the successor of Santa, but realizes Arthur had the right mindset for the role and graciously steps down to be the support. Good times
That speech ending you explained would have been perfect for this show. "You are a great person but you don't like what the job represents which is why I need you to be guiding the new Santa so he can do it right." God that would have been beautiful, but it's hurt by being so full of itself. If anybody interested just look up Arthur Christmas. It's literally the perfect Christmas movie you can watch about what it truly means to be Santa Claus.
@@ej7416 Yep. He was a excellent in handling the operations of being Santa but not Santa himself. Arthur despite being clumsy and less experienced was so compassionate he was willing to risk his life for at least one child on Christmas just so she can get her presents. It's a underrated gem.
Ego is the greatest killer of some folks, they let themselves get so wrapped up in what they want, what they DESERVE, that they forget the future or the past, only thinking about now. She could of made changes so that the next Santa could be a woman, easily. But no, she wanted the glory, she wanted to be the savior. No one else but her.
The Santa's choice explanation ending seemed like it was someone"s original direction. But who ever had higher authority of production decided against it. So that's how we got the more shallow ending.
I still hate the fact companies just use the whole “you only dislike it because you’re an offensive person” these days. Dislike the new Ghost Busters? It’s because you’re sexist. Dislike the new Star Wars? It’s because you’re sexist. Dislike Santa Inc? It’s because you’re racist. Can we just stop please? It doesn’t even make sense as an argument
Didn’t a bunch of anti-Semites and Holocaust deniers flood the comment section of the trailer? I’ve heard a lot of the comments on the video were had extremely offensive “jokes” in them.
I was kind of thinking the same thing. The way the characters are unlikeable feels weirdly deliberate. Like, the set-ups that make you end up hating the characters (like the bit with the baby shower) almost seem too villainizing to have been done by accident. What if they made this whole thing so rage-inducing so people would hate-watch it?
@@adventureinc.9769 "What if they made this whole thing so rage-inducing so people would hate-watch it?" You may be onto something there. I mean, The Emoji Movie made a million and a half in profit, and I imagine most of that was from people watching it ironically. Maybe the people who made Santa Inc saw that and went "Hey, maybe we ought to try the same thing!"
@@lightningpenguin8937 or they could be too afraid to say they don’t believe in it? Creating a half that people want to relate to, and a half that makes you ask “what is this”
Damn, a part of me died when he showed me what they actually did after that bench scene, how can you fuck that up? Like you almost made the show decent, with a good message.
@@jackpijjin4088 It is sad that they created an argument to be strawmanned and couldn't actually beat their own argument and instead of beating the argument chose to just make him evil so they can dismiss it instead.
@@jackpijjin4088 it's the same as when you ask someone a question and they say "IT'S NOT MY JOB TO EDUCATE YOU REEEE." They don't know how to back up their own opinions 💀
@@fluidwolf He’s not a straw man. A straw man is a misrepresentation of an opponent’s argument which is designed to sound bad. They straightforwardly portrayed why Santa didn’t choose Candy in a way that, if you pay close attention, had literally nothing to do with her gender or the identity politics of the show up to that point. Someone wrote that genuinely compelling and honest argument, and it is really hard to believe that someone else wasn’t in charge before or after since there is no rebuttal as to why she should be Santa after all.
Because "white man bad" essentially. The show only cares about putting out a woke message and demonizing anyone that could be seen as an obstacle to the narrative it wants to push
@@isaacvitela5131 , trust me. It is also money, because many politicians will say that they don’t care about the money and the people first, but in reality they don’t. They just want more for themselves and for us dummies who elected them to give them what we tried to earn. Edit: As George Carlin once said, “It’s a big club and you ain’t in it.”
*people of all races, genders and backgrounds dislike Santa Inc* Seth: "Only white supremacists hate the show!" Yeah I have zero interest in watching the show, judging from the trailer and from the videos I've watched about it. Hopefully one day Seth will wake up and realize "maybe I just screwed up". Lol anyway, Merry Christmas, Steve 🎄
Well he didnt say 'only them hate the show' nor that if you hate it you are one. Still can be shit show and dislike it for it being bad, and Rogen for being an idiot, but this is actively trying to be ofended.
I feel like they’re trying to get ‘woke’ people on board. But no… just no… not what it is. Or anything from the looks of it. My point is no one wants this. Except from Seth Rogen apparently.
Unfortunately, nobody in Hollywood says that. When money pays, that’s all that matters. Not actual good ideas, but what the country orders you to make.
I don’t think people in Hollywood understand that just because there are woke people on twitter/tumblr, that does not mean that every single person in america or any other country is woke
Oh my god that scene about candy not liking kids is so damn close to being good, it makes such a good point, Santa first and foremost 'exists' to make kids happy, he's something they believe in and adore. For a second this show almost felt like it had heart and thought put into a scene... And then it fell apart horribly. Man that's a shame since I actually kinda like the animation style
Candy is like that one D&D player who tries to be the party face despite having a sh*t Charisma score. When they already have a perfectly good bard/sorcerer/warlock standing around.
Your take on this show was not only beautiful, but actually hit on EVERYTHING messed up and wrong with this show. Your reviews are actually awesome and Im so glad i stumbled on your channel the other day. been binging it and loving every bit of it. Keep up the fantastic content and thanks for all of your hard work yo.
I like to imagine an alternative universe where candy took the advice and began to help Devin become the next Santa, as the show slowly redeems itself making the characters likeable, as in the ending we see the characters better people and it ends with Devin, the new Santa flying off to deliver presents as candy is at her desk, smiling that she was able to take Santa advice to heart I mean I know it won't ever happen but y'know a guy can dream
The scene with Santa on the bench reminds me of a plot thread in the Artemis Fowl books. One of the protagonists is basically what amounts to the first female police officer, and the commander relentlessly calls out every little mistake she makes, and way more harsh to her than any of the male officers. And when she finally confronts him about it, he basically says "Yes. I am absolutely being harder on you because you are a woman. But that's only because everyone else is going to be judging you unfairly. I need to push you to be more than average, you have to be exceptional, otherwise they will never give other women the chance to do what you are doing." Except they didn't undercut it by having the female protagonist say "fuck you" and storm out anyway.
I miss when good writing involved developing and redeeming characters who are initially set up as unlikeable. Nowadays near every unlikeable character is our Protagonist, and development feels like their anti-matter. The few glimmers of hope like the bench speech are shot down like enemy fighters in hostile air space because of course, our MaRey Sue always has to be correct, right?
Oh come on, that scene where Santa explains why he doesn't choose Candy is AMAZING!!! My jaw was on the floor. I rewatched that part many times. But, yeah, the thing had to be fully disappointing or it would be a good show, but who wants those lately, huh?
Arthur Christmas did this sooooooo much better also why the fuck wasn’t amazon the villain? It was such a perfect setup! Candy could’ve come to terms with the fact that she wasn’t santa and begins helping devin and then the original black santa who defected to amazon could’ve come back as a twist villain. It was so close!
Santa's explanation genuinely made me think that this isn't a bad show and could've been a great way to send the message woke doesn't equal wisdom but nope
I can’t believe they ruined Santa’s character at the end, the stealing is nothing like his personality and doesn’t mix well, they should have cut off the show after Santa had finished his speech
I mean, really? The santa as twist villian is what made it terrible? I feel like thats just what added a few more dumptrucks of shit to the Grandcanyon 78% full of shit already. The animation is nice, and thats about it.
Exactly. They want to "start a conversation", i.e get praised without any actual work or risk involved. It's _almost_ as if the people who made this are insanely privileged and don't know what real hardship looks like 🤔
@@plugshirt1762 Oh, that's NOTHING! I was gliding through the Starbucks drive through in my lamborghini and they raised the price of my favourite drink by TWO WHOLE DOLLARS! WHEN WILL THE SUFFERING ENDDDDDDDD
Speaking of one Positive thing to say. I still want to see him talk about Rooster Teeth;s 3D Series, RWBY, and hear him give it a fair review. Or say one positive thing about that series. Since it gets too much hate from everyone on TH-cam!
@@dylansmith5206 I think it definitely gets trashed a bit more than maybe it should, not that all the criticism is unjustified, but I feel RWBY has at least always had some goods things to every volume, even if the whole volume doesn’t particularly add up.
I knew right away tha animation would be praised for what it is. fantastic stop motion that gives me hope the medium is not dying as fast as writing seems to be.
The problem is Seth Rogan tried way too hard to be progressive, and in doing so, he became offensive himself. He wasn’t telling a story, he was giving a political statement, and that’s the biggest problem here. There’s nothing wrong with having a message about racial diversity or inclusiveness, but you need to make it a good story with good characters first, and the message comes second. That way, the audience will be willing to follow the story, and thus would be more receptive to the message. If the message is all that your story has going for it, you risk alienating your audience, especially if not everyone wants a message shoved down their throat. Especially with Santa Inc. where they went really overboard with their message that they forgot to make the story compelling and their characters likeable. Everyone is either mean or abusive or both, and Candy, who we’re supposed to be rooting for, is an angry feminist who doesn’t care about making friends or who actually believes in her cause. She treats everyone like a means to an end at best or an enemy at worst, and that makes her unlikeable. That is exactly the wrong way to give the message, because if we can’t like anyone, we’ll have no desire to stick with them, and thus the message is lost. In order to give your message, you need to first give a good story with likeable characters.
The problem is, racial diversity and inclusiveness isn't what they promote. Santa is a white male so he cannot be Santa anymore. Why exclude white men from the job? Diversity and inclusion are white-exclusive terms. Whenever you promote "diversity" in anything, you do it at the expense of including Europeans.
Seth Rogan has been a jerk for most of his career, how this guy keeps failing upwards I will never know (or I do but I cant post the reason without youtube shadowbanning me)
You perfectly summed up the right way to handle representation. When writers don't actually care, or they focus more on being inclusive rather than the character themself, you often end up with a boring, rude, or sometimes offensive character as a result. The character still needs to be interesting. The audience should be able to sympathize with them. It doesn’t matter what race or gender the character is, if they're poorly written people aren't going to care about them.
Way late but take everything everywhere all at once. Great movie with a female lead who is powerful, and an equally powerful villain who I wont spoil. People loved it, so it has nothing to do with “people hating on diversity/women” as so many people today say. Totally agree with you
Here's a moral for everyone. Just because someone is a Bad or even EVIL person, doesn't mean they still can't make a good point or have a logical thought. Santa may have been corrupt the whole time in this show..........that summation of why Candy wouldn't make a good Santa (At least the more public aspect anyway.) was still on that mark. The Show wants to pretend that that statement doesn't matter or isn't relevant because he's the twist villain.......but it doesn't, even if he was lying, the statement and analysis was accurate (Which I guess makes that an unintentional truth in that scenario.). A fun example is a Lawful Evil Character you can recruit in Wrath of the Righteous, a Gnome Hell Knight who is always dedicated to closing the World Wound at any costs (Which include some genuinely awful thing, such as killing wounded troops so they can't be raised as undead troops for the demons, or something like that.), he however never does anything he thinks is detrimental to that cause, and will even respect a Chaotic Good character as long as they don't disrespect him in turn and at least listen to his advice, even if they don't act on it.
Especially if we take into account that these assignments like good or evil are subjective. Every bad person has to believe they are doing good or else they wouldn't be able to look into a mirror.
I doubt there are not enough white supremacists to ratio an entire series of this size. Even if there are enough how many of those out there would even care about this movie, isn't it better to troll something popular for more infamy?
World wide? The mixture of ideologies that make up that philosophy have been in decline for decades apart from a few minor resurgences in specific nations(generally due to anti white sentiment becoming official government policy to no great shock) even so though? It's single digit millions across the the planet at most by this point. It's very much a dead horse especially when used in reference to try to hide behind something as minor as a show flopping
I liked the one santa special where they gave him immortality for being a genuine kind person that only wanted to make people smile. "Step one foot in front of the other people"
Man, I love that version of Santa; what a wonderful man. He somehow manages to turn a mean, hateful ice wizard into a loving and compassionate person just by showing him a tiny little token of kindness. Even that manages to warm my stone cold heart at times.
Your memories seem fuzzy... You might want to watch that special again. It's called Santa Claus Is Comin' To Town, and it's on TH-cam... If that's what you mean
It's actally "The Life and Adventures of Santa Claus" where they question whether to give Santa immortality for his actions. It's similar to "Santa Claus is Comin to Town" and made by the same people years apart from each other, so I don't blame anyone confusing the two.
An American Pickle was way better than most movies with Seth Rogan, but I think thats because it was based on a novella and so wasnt entirely the brainchild of a Calafornicised man-child.
That was probably the sole thought that the show was built around. Like, Seth Rogan was smoking weed with one of his friends and someone said “If Santa were real, Amazon would be making his job redundant” and then they smoked the rest of their weed, killed their last remaining braincells, and wrote this piece of shit.
Damn that speech Santa gave was really powerful. I don't think it would've fixed the show, but it might've added some merit to it. To bad the creators discounted an actually good message.
Sarah Elf: Things have got to change! Santa: Sure. Yer turn. 《Sarah Elf screams in agony as her body morphs into a general modern depiction of Santa Claus.》
Sarah Elf: Wh-what happened to me!? Santa (now looking like Morgan Freeman): Each Santa is a white male because that is the modern accepted depiction of Santa Claus, and each Santa takes on that image. Sarah Elf: I-I don't want this! I want to be the first FEMALE Santa Claus! Santa: Sorry, but that isn't how the magic of Christmas works. You get the power travel across the world and deliver presents to millions-no, billions of children across the world only because of the belief and love of children. Their belief is the source of the magic, and thus you are bound to be what they believe. And they don't believe in a female elf as Santa.
Hey Steve! I want to recommend 2 movies from my own country, Hungary: - Fehérlófia (Son of the white mare) made in 1981 - János vitéz (John the knight) made in 1973 (the first Hungarian animated movie) While I do not know if these movies have dubs, I'm 100% sure you can find them with subtitles
Makes it even worse the fact that Candy only wanted the role because she thinks she deserves it and to just prove herself. She doesn't want it because she wants to change the company for the better, if she wanted change she would've accepted Santa's offer. It was always her ego.
@@asctiu9755 to be fair they tried to give her an arc with her apologizing but that doesn't work because EVERYONE else is also an asshole. They should have just done the bojack horseman approach where her bad family made her a selfish egotistical person. Would explain why she wants to be Santa, to prove to herself that she's better than them or show how her family's ego rubbed off on her. That would have made her sympathetic but for some reason they wanted to make her family sympathetic characters but put in no work to make them sympathetic.
I just want a stop motion show or movie that actually uses the medium to tell a compelling story, and not just be a Robot Chicken clone. At Guillermo Del Toro's Pinnochio looks interesting
The reason why the modern Santa Claus is an elderly white man with a beard is because he's based off of many different European interpretations of the Spirit of Christmas. Father Christmas in the United Kingdom, Pere Noel in France, Sinter Klass in the Dutch Netherlands, the list goes on. And they all have their roots in the 3rd Century Christian Monk Saint Nicholas who was famous for giving gifts to children. And yes I'm well aware that Saint Nicholas was a Turk but that's not how the European Legends evolved over time. It's not a racist conspiracy theory, it's just a tradition. And more importantly it's a victimless tradition.
Nobody really cares that Santa is white, it's just mindless political performative wokeness that I'm surprised everyone on earth didn't get bored of way long ago
Like Jesus being depicted as a white dude with ripped abs because Caucasian people wouldn't mingle with a brown Savior. Culture and tradition is often just a thin veil for exclusivity and gate keeping, but if it's not your culture one should just deal with it.
I was so mad when Santa turned out to be the villain, he gave a wonderful explanation as to why he didn't pick candy, the job is all about delivering presents to kids and someone who can't connect with kids is just wrong for the job. Why did they have to go for the cliche twist villain trope when he was doing so well?
Because candy can’t be wrong.
Oy vey toyim
@@jeffythesomething8772 yep, they probably realized that Santa’s reasoning was picture perfect, and knew they had to do something drastic in order to make Candy look right.
This is actually worse than the last of us part 2. That game never fucked up this bad because this one literally has it’s best saving grace right in front of itself.
Most likely because as an audience, we were expecting the series to be summed up with that speech and for Candy to learn a life lesson that would've progressed her as a character (as is expected in the Christmas specials this series was satirizing.)
But, no. They just went: "Screw it", and went with the cliche ending BECAUSE it was unexpected (and Somehow that is supposed to be funny.)
Damn. Santa explaining his successor decision to Candy was legit one of the most profound speeches I've ever heard. It's a real shame that it's not only attached to this tripe -- but it's treated as if Santa was just "mansplaining" to her and thrown away like it meant nothing. The writers truly are tone-deaf.
They just threw in a blender whatever hashtags are trending on twitter at the moment and called it a day.
I feel like they had it all wrapped up and pretty in a bow and then the "Executive producers" decided this was the best route.
The worst part is, by their logic they had to get Santa to dislike her over a minor thing.
Problem is, liking children is an ESSENTIAL JOB OF SANTA
So they say they don't understand Christmas by making the BIGGEST PART into a "Oh no sorry you can't do it" for this egotistical brat.
@@linkkraft3358 yeah like if this show was in Russia or Italy it wouldn't happen. Not just because of quality control but also because they have female Santa equivalents (though Russia's is young, white, and blonde so Twitter might be in a doozy like usual.)
Either way this show is too bitter. We just got out of a pandemic, literally no one asked for the one happy holiday to be so cynical and shitty after this year. Gimme my Rankin-Bass over this any day.
Yeah the only good thing in this show and they threw it away
I like how the show shoots down its own 'Santa is always a white man' in literally the first episode when Santa was going to pick a black man as his successor. Like, right off the bat it shoots itself in the foot.
@crossbones116
Yeah, by having him work at Amazon. Hell the black guy doesn't have an ounce of agency, which implies waaaaaay too much, but I'm just being jaded.
Plus candy is also white so idk why the white thing comes into play
@@tidepodpadthai2633 If purple is white for elfs, then I guess so.
@@breakdudee Considering Candy is Silverman's self insert in this horrible fever dream, yea, she's "white". And I use the term loosely.
Do you? th-cam.com/video/vNggYJhE9nM/w-d-xo.html
That Santa scene is actually incredible. When Santa saw how she interacted with children, he realized that she didn't want the position to bring joy to the world, she wanted the position just so she could be the first female Santa. While Santa liked her and her ideas, he realized that she didn't have her heart in the right place and someone with that attitude towards the job and towards children could never be a worthy Santa that children around the globe would write to. Like how are you gonna be Santa if you don't even want to read the kid's letters? It's a shame that they missed this and made Santa out to be the villain. The show would've probably been much better if episode 6 was the last episode.
Yeah someone that has big ambitions just for the sake of ambition can only lead to disaster, it's not even somebody with good intentions that unintentionally hurt others, if someone just wants something to mark their name in the stars they'll do anything to achieve it no matter how many must be left behind or atrocities must be commited
Also her ego was just insufferable like she said behind the scenes wasn't good enough for her like she could of asked to be recognized for what she does and have a title and evan if that wasn't given she still forgot that there were good people who sometimes don't evan get noticed for there things
It’s kinda like Kamala Harris. Ran for the position just for the title, but doesn’t actually want to/know how to operate in that position. But hey, she’s a woman!
Show was ass overall. Didn't watch it.
sarah silverman and seth rogan are jewish and *very* vocal about disliking christianity. im not sure why anyone expected even a modicum of positivity about the holiday in this terrible *terrible* series !!!
Candy should've been a villain protagonist. Like, we start out thinking "Oh, everyone is sexist! They don't want a female santa! Poor Candy!" but Candy just gets worse and worse, until we're thinking "Wow Candy doesn't deserve this job at all"
There isn't many protagonists I can say I actually hate but this is one of them. Everytime it looks like she may be able to redeem herself or there's actually some decent reason that will pay off for her rubbish, I got disappointed hard.
I don't know who was actually supposed to like this character when they wrote her
Yeah but see, this is Hollywood.
@KaraDUN Breaking Bad is the best example of recent times. The Sopranos would be another one.
Edit: 'Lucifer' just occured to me. I haven't seen it, bit people seem to love it. I assume he's a villain, but I guess he might be an anti-hero or something. Again, I haven't seen it
@KaraDUN Overlord, saga of tanya the devil, death note, higurashi no naku koro ni, Black lagoon
@KaraDUN Bojack Horseman, even
Honestly that scene in the 6th episode where Santa explains why he didn't pick her is a perfect representation of the show's reception as a whole. A reasonable person gives a perfectly valid and well-thought explanation for why they didn't enjoy it, and Seth Rogan just starts slinging insults in defense and goes on the warpath.
Yeah, its almost like he knew what would happen.....
@@trogg3rdmmxplaya467 we all did
Nobody F with Christmas and get away with it
It makes it even more ironic since it means he just read the lines without actually meaning or understanding a word of it.
That’s not what the speech was though, Santa told her she would be doing work behind the scenes but not any credit as the Face. Apples and Oranges, here.
@@ChicoDiamante Which shows that's all Candy really wanted, validation. Nevermind she'd be THE most powerful person in Santa Inc. She'd have all the authority and decision-making power. "Something's gotta change!" as she put it - she'd be able to change things from behind the scenes...
...But in the end all she cared about was taking the credit for bringing "change".
One thing I learned in my creative writing class is that you can't fix an unlikable hero solely by making everyone else even more detestable. You're still left with the problem of a bad protagonist.
Except everyone else around them sucks too so it's like a colossal world of jackasses.
@@eatatjoes6751 It goes from a show about bad people doing bad things (e.g. It's Always Sunny, SUPERJAIL!, Breaking Bad,) to a show about miserable people making each other miserable and making you miserable in the process. You can have crapsack worlds and shitbag characters that are still fun to watch and be around, but this show chose not to do that.
@@tjenadonn6158 It also makes you want to step inside the show itself and kill everyone.
@@ironnoah9461 Just for their own sake more than your own.
In fact, that leaves you with a bigger problem. Now everyone in your story are jackasses, which can make your audience doesn't care of what will happen to them in the story.
Santa: Don't let your ego get in the way, think about the children of the world
Candy: Nah I just wanted to be famous
That should have been the moment when Candy becomes the villain in a story that made sense but this aint one of them
Santa actually made some very good points, I still don't understand how they could pull him being a villain and expect us to go with it
The famous thing should've been written better
"Imma do my own thing"
I actually agreed with Santa when he chose Devin as the next Santa Claus. Like, Candy is more of a person who just wants to get the work right. She didn't seem to care about the kids. She only cared about perfect delivery. And when she said "Fuck you" to Santa, I was like "Bruh, he has a point. You don't give a crap about children".
because Sarah Silverman herself is childless and has hatred for Christians and Christmas. This movie is an attempt to justify her.
@@silent_shout Something tells me those are not the reasons why the movie was so bad.
It couldve been like a Reagan and Brett situation. Both characters are polar opposites who compliment each others strengths. Brett’s a social butterfly who’s not entirely good with understand the way things work where as Reagan is the brains who knows how shit goes.
Both compliment each other pretty well and episode 7 couldve had that moment where both can realize that they could work together and proved that they can work…
But no, Santa’s Evil so that means she’s in the right.
Like… get fucked.
Not you, I meant the show.
@@silent_shout i didn't know she hated Christians
This is why i hate Kandy
I like how the backrounds have more effort than the character designs
thats kinda impressive ngl and not in a good way
Budget had to go somewhere I mean…
(no, no! I didn’t meant the backgrounds)
That’s most adult comedy’s nowadays.
Yeah the character designs are horrible.
I actually like the character designs. Rip.
Can't say the same about most of the show.
“Santa’s character is basically someone who is trying to be progressive, but in trying so hard to do so, actually comes off as kind of offensive himself”
Just like Seth Rogan himself
Best comment ever
I like stories where one character tries hard, thinks they’re doing good, is offensive in doing so, then changes for the better.
@@soniccookie655 same
@@soniccookie655 its an endearing attitude, and appeals to a lot people
@@soniccookie655 and they decided to do none of that and make the biggest pile of dogshit ever conceived
Hot take: Cookie's husband isn't actually lazy. He's just suffering from depression from being in an abusive relationship.
lethargy, lack of motivation, irritability... yeah i see it
My thoughts exactly
I like how it's actually a really solid possibility.
What little we do see from his behavior, are very well known symptoms related to depression.
@@_Sage967_ you beat me to it, have my kidneys as a reward
@@lollllolll.
He won't take it, but I will.
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I'm so sick of shows that when a women is acting abusive to their boyfriend or husband it's played as a joke, but when the roles are reversed it's taken seriously
Men can be abused and it's honestly disgusting that this type of normalisation on abuse cause the person who's reserving it is a guy, abusive relationships can happen to anyone regardless of gender and we shouldn't be downplaying and making jokes about it when the person receiving said abuse is a guy
another thing I'm also sick of in "adult" shows is the unhappy couple thing.
I know what you mean. That's one of the reasons I hate characters in anime like Winry Rockbell in FMA. Chi Chi in Dragonball Z and Sakura in Naruto. Aldo why I was one of the IchiHime shippers in Bleach, cause I can;t STAND Rukia.
@@colleen4ever To be fair, while I understand where you're coming from, Chi Chi had a right to be pissed off especially since Goku was constantly either gone or putting his son in danger. Naruto when he was younger was a straight up pervert. Winry is probably the only valid one, but then again constantly breaking something that you put your heart and soul into is a bit frsutrating. Also most of these guys are superhuman so it's really downplayed. Doesn't make it right but it's not exactly the same.
@@totozhu4543 Ha, Winry cares more about her damn automail then anything else, even her friends! True, she may put her heart and soul into the automail but if Ed didn;t have it, he would have been KILLED multiple times! But noooo, just don;t dent the automail! God, would she rather Ed be killed but the automail stays intact?! You can build more automail, you can't build another person!
And I just don't understand why Chi Chi never just left Goku if she was that unhappy in the marriage! And it wasn;t just Goku, she beat up her own FATHER one time with a broom for pete;s sake! And Sakura was beating Naruto even after he grew out of the pervert thing because he was having trouble bring back her precious Sasuke!
@@colleen4ever well okay then
You can tell when a show or a movie is bad when a executive producer says that people who hate this movie are all white supremacists. Really show how mature he is and how someone takes criticism.
Self-projection, basically?
He’s a leftist woke pot head who can’t admit that he’s a pseudo intellectual and one of the biggest grandstanding hypocrites on Twitter
@@TheSapphireLeo well yeah he is woke.. and a lot of woke culture is ironically racist, insensitive and bigoted lol, the very things they pretend to be against
@@DoktrDub Nope not woke. Just out of touch just like mostly everyone in power nowadays
@@michaelknox3715 still indoctrination of extremism. Trying to say out fp touch higher ups is sweeping under the rug of what people acting like mindless swarms being useful idiots regurgitating BS on identity politics shoes the extremism cult side
Kind of depressing that after such a speech she still couldn't see past her ego. You're right Steve. So close to saving itself
Yeah it would only make the show 60% shit if she accepted her role
even worse because Santa factually backed up his point, she literally does not have the one qualifier, even if he is a douchebag after the fact that doesnt mean he was wrong. Even the worst of people get at least a few things right, they breathe air, drink water, eat food, etc and when his claims are factually substantiated you cant just have him be a douche later and then wipe that away.
@@robonator2945 Exactly. How do the writers of the show expect us to side with her when he lays out everything explicitly? Suddenly making him a villain doesn't negate the truth of the things he said earlier.
@@TSBJunkie Honestly this is a really common issue with shows; they have someone be the villian and do some bad things and just expect us to forget that no they actually have a very valid point. Like all things the "for the greater good" argument isn't a binary "you said it so you're wrong" thing and a lot of shows have the villains making very excellent points that no, seriously, they may be right this may be a necessary thing but shrug it off just because "oh well, they're the villain so it doesn't count". Sometimes it seems sort of intentional like we're not supposed to just assume the protagonists are actually the defacto good guys and there is nuance, but other times it just feels like the writers didn't bother to think about what the villains were actually fighting for long enough.
(in hindsight, not just shows, I can think of movies, games, books, all sorts of crap that has this issue.)
@@robonator2945 This is why alot of fans gave credit to black panther's killmonger. T'Challa even after winning the right to be king and Black Panther, didn't dismiss the points his villian made. I also love his interactions with Zemo in cival war.
God, that comment on sexual harassment just reminded me of something. I once had a girl twerk right in my face at a party, and I tried to get away, but I was sitting on the couch and really couldn't get out of the way. I kept leaning back and tried to make it very clear that I didn't like it. The girl asked if it made me uncomfortable and I said yes, please stop. Later on, same girl did it again. It took a male coworker of mine to make a joke about me being gay to get her to stop. I'm straight, but I wasn't attracted to her and didn't like being put on the spot like that. It's crazy how normalized that kind of behavior is towards men. Everyone thinks we're horny all the time so we must always want sex all the time. Even other men take that stance. Hell, I have a hard time labelling that as sexual harrassment, but yeah, it is. In terms of relationships and sex, the woman is always right. Doesn't matter if the guy wants it or not, because it's not a question for them, of course they want it. I never talk about this because I don't want to admit that it happened to me, and I don't think others would take it seriously. Fuck this show making that a joke
"BuT mEn HaVe It EaSiEr" they say.
I'm sorry that happened to you. It's ok to talk about it and you shouldn't feel like people will probably laugh at you or just not take you seriously.
Growing up, I would hear sometimes about a male being taken advantage of a female teacher, boss etc. And I would hear about how people think that the boy scored and is a legend. While some others say that it's not sexual harrassment because men want sex all the time...
@@SpriteIsSpicyWater Your response is why I wanted to suggest this dudes experience was a copy pasta.
People unironically do post fake stories about "I held a door open for some whale of a woman and she yelled at me for being toxic masculinity" to drum up some kind of "Feminists hate men!" replies.
You're really not helping further normalization of men being sexually harassed if your response isn't to call attention to the harassment, but to feminism and blaming them for said harassment.
@@seventeenseventythirteen7465 i agree about the response but you cant just deny it being real. He had an unfortunate experience that just so happened to be caused by a woman. Theres no hidden motif about how he hates all women, he was harrased.
I once heard the phrase “being a man in general society is like being the favorite child in an abusive household.” My household isn’t what I would call abusive, but I do have experience being the favorite child, watching my dad come down harder on my brothers than me, wishing to be held more accountable but also secretly relived he’s not like that with me, being resented by my brothers, knowing I’m favored because I’m AFAB and therefore dads “little girl” (which is meaningless), and then also being scared shitless of stepping out of line because I wouldn’t want dad to growl at me the same way he does my brothers. And that was literally the best metaphor I could’ve been given because I understood instantly how shitty male gender roles are in the only way I could ever come to understand
"You can talk all day about making Christmas great for the children, who will one day lead the world, but can you _talk to them? Connect with them? No,_ they ran away from you." self awareness levels: 99.9%. they were so close.
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Leftist dogma that says you can be and should be whatever you feel like has gotten so thick that they couldn't take that last step.
Absolutely vile.The fact the show actually had a chance to redeem itself only to completely drop the ball just proves that this is one of the worst holiday shows ever conceived.May it be forgotten and never spoken of again in the coming years.
It might be forgotten definitely. Remember that awful woke Cinderella film that premiered on Amazon Prime (which was said to be so bad even the Cult of Woke hated it)? Three months later, pretty much everyone has forgotten that film existed, that's how fast it aged like milk.
No. This should be counted as a horrific historical event and put into history books to teach kids to never do this.
It'll be right next to Ghostbusters (2016)
Best ending of all time keep crying
They already confirmed a season 2... it's not going anywhere.
You sacrificed your Christmas cheer to watch this trash for us. You sir are a hero.
a tragic hero.
Not all heroes wear capes
God bless him.
blessed comments
"I want them cargo shorts all over my body"
I'm sorry but it was funny by the way she said it
I love how this "show" was Velma before Velma. It's starting to feel like the people behind these projects are having a long-term competition to see who can make the worst show ever made.
I mean if that was revealed to be the case that would make the situation at least somewhat funny
This actually makes so much sense
That was a really good explanation to why candy couldn't be the next Santa. It wasn't racist, it wasn't sexist, it wasn't condescending, it should be one of the best character changing moments in the show. But the moment candy said 'go fuck yourself' to Santa was the moment this show could never redemn itself
It could have redeemed itself, the simplistic petty "go fuck yourself" could've been a cold closing to the scene used to communicate that candy is still not getting it or something and will learn the hard way, y'know to go with the 10 million other clearly intentionally communicated character flaws including the primary reason of the discussion of not being good with kids. Where the show really fucks up is when they wasted all of that by making Santa actually "bad" in the most forced way possible. "Because anytime someone you antagonize gives you an answer you don't want that countless people more driven than you have to make do with, it must be because they're lying snakes!!!" Coming from Seth "AHUGH AHUGH AHUGH" Rogan and the muppets that made sausage party
I think it could have been saved, but not by THOSE writers. The moment Candy said f off and walked away, it could have been the starting point where the show began showing the environment not from Candy's perspective, but from a third person, objectively this time. Progressively we learn how Santa has been right all along, while we gradually see Candy becoming the villain, going down a path of ignorance and hate against all those who denied her dominance over the company, revealing how she doesn't care about making kids happy, but more about her gaining full control over the place and establishing her rules. It could be easily achievable, considering how toxic her character was shown to be since the begining... But I guess the people who run it sympathise more with her than they do with anyone else.
Yeah, it's because she's Jewish and it would make zero sense.
@@outerspace7391Imagine if in the end Candy becaome The Grinch, someone who wants to steal Christmas because she wants it to be all about her.
Actually it’s affirming he’s making the right call. The problem was putting Santa into question afterwards.
It’s STUNNING how the show writes that brilliant bench scene and then spits on it immediately afterwards.
I work with children and the most important part of the job is getting kids to feel comfortable around you. Of course, teaching them the material of the day is a must, but it’s all meaningless if they don’t want to be there. When you’re the only adult figure in the room, they want you to be approachable and kind because there’s no parents or siblings or other authority figure who can eject them out. Being someone kids can be themselves around, laugh around, work around, etc. is the real challenge.
If Candy were a real woman applying for a position as a day care assistant, teacher, camp instructor, whatever, she’s out day one. Or she’s the horrible, mean bitch that every kid grows up to remember not too fondly
Candy would be the teacher everyone comes up with a mean nickname for and only remembers by said nickname 10 years later.
I didnt ony find it stunning but also INSULTING as a member of the audience. as an animation fan. as a FEMINIST and as a W O M A N.
As someone who spent a lot of years as a child, this is absolutely true.
@David Eloiza what the fuck are you talking about
@David Eloiza bro i still dont fuckinf know
Despite this being a political pile of shit, it actually plays off as I knew it would. I knew she wasn't going to be Santa, and the fact that he gave a definitive answer was what surprised me and it was very logical. Santa isn't just the guy who gives presents, he's someone that the kids adore and admire, that's Santa 101. He even tells her that she's no good with kids, but the intern was.
I really agree with you. It would have been perfect if they didn't ruined Santa's character and made him a villain. That really destroyed that moment. That was very terrible writing. Just when you got a great moment and Santa gave a reasonable speech only for it to be thrown away the next episode.
@@AH-is5yg Sigh...Yep, they were clearly just so focused on the shallow political message that they didn't care about things like nuance. Maybe if they had Santa explicitly say he wanted to take Candy on as the new CEO of Santa Inc while Devin is acting Santa or something...
Definitely agree bc I always remember in every Santa movies he says, "it's never about the present it's the moment we share" that's why he makes kids happy, but I guess she's too dumb and selfish to make that connection
Honestly I thought it would end more like, at least tonally, like Sausage Party,
or like another family classic with a similar ending,
Inglorious Basterds.
You make up for yerself what that amounts to in Santa context.
@@austinmorrison6953 I thought that speech would be a way to end season 1 and then the next season Candy is now CEO and she had to help guild Devin. At first she still angry about Devin being Santa instead of her and overtime she begins to warm up to him. Candy tries to be good with kids, but failed miserably. Devin comes in and he is good with kids. She begins to understand why Santa pick Devin. But no that will happen.
Seth basically did the equivalent of a middle schooler saying “If you don’t agree you’re gay”
LOL that’s a good one CerealBox
To be honest, Seth acts like an over sized middle schooler who never had his ass kicked by real life properly
Lol true tho 👍
That's just Leftist Logic in general.
Its a binary argument, all it is, is divisiveness for the sake of protecting their egos, meant to cover up the fact they're just utilizing political jargon as a means of becoming more relevant.
I can’t tell you how SICK I am of harassment and abuse jokes where the whole punchline is ‘it’s funny because a WOMAN is doing it’
For sure! It’s like a double standard
@@PartyPlannerPreston Sad that people can very often only see how bullshit a double standard is because it doesn’t benefit them. It’s what modern feminism has become quite guilty of, but all of society did it in favour of men before that, for thousands of years longer. We’ve all been burned enough that we should know better
The main reason why Gina is the only bad part about Brooklyn Nine Nine
I'm glad that the creator is a woman, inspiration and proof that anyone can make tasteless and unfocused shit.
And let's admit that she is a hypocrite as she thinks it's funny when women sexually harass men or having a woman be the abusive one in a relationship
Lol
@@williampulfer-melville8536 that’s the left alright
Nuh uh, it's just proof that everyone is sexist and they only criticize the work of female creators because they hate women and they don't want to admit that a woman created an amazing show!
jk lol
Finally, some actual inclusive rep-proving that anyone, no matter what gender, or ethnicity, or race, can always choose to be an unredeemable asshole
Candy likes to antagonize anybody, even the children and anyone who disagrees with her views and arguments.
she got way too obsessed with trying to be the first female non-white Santa just to say that she was the first. That's literally no reason to be Santa. She doesn't even want to spread Joy or happiness or anything. That's not even her objective
Her problem is, She can't connect with anybody, not even the audience.
Everyone is a hypocrite, Everyone is mean-spirited, Everyone says really stupid and unhumorous things constantly, And Everyone is thinking of themselves a lot.
Literally, The only Good guy is Devin! How are we supposed to be rooting for any of the Protagonists at this point?
From what I've seen in clips and whatnot, Cookie's husband comes across as mostly an okay guy too, other than his wussiness in letting Cookie treat him so crappily.
Oh, and speaking of whom, I wonder how long it took for the writers to decide that the gingerbread woman should be named "Cookie"? They couldn't have named her "Ginger," or "Sugar," or "Gumdrop," or "Buttercream," or something like that? Maybe even given her a more normal- sounding name (i.e. The obnoxious slutty reindeer gal is named "Goldie")?
I work as an Elementary school teacher's assistant, and I know of first- graders who could give her a more creative name!
Candy IS ⚪
She remind me of lisa simpsons...but worse, how the hell did they manage that
Complet y agree
@@QueenAmour8888 I don't know why when candy is Sarah Silverman a pale woemen, and that is the BIGGEST pedestalised & coddled person in our society🙄. Just because it's the color green doesn't mean it's non-⚪ like the k/ren I see in real life hen pecking everyone even their husband. Candy would not advocate for you a blaq woemen & that reindeer friend is a caricature of cardi B & what they feel about minorities in proximity to THEM
Candy didn't even seem like she liked the job OR kids. She just wanted to say there was a first woman Santa.
which is basicly the whole plot
"im woman, give job to me because vagina"
A smart story would be self aware of that but this aint that
That's modern feminism for you
Thats why it had the potential to make an ending where Candy realizes her ego was in her way all the time, but Seth Rogan just made Seth Rogan things and here we are
"Santa blows all these shipping companies away. He delivers more than 2 billion packages in 24 hours. He does it by sleigh. He doesn't use tracking numbers and doesn't use trucks. He just uses midgets and a giant bag" - Beff Jezos
👌
I though it was six million presents in 4 years?
He just wants more money.
Super intelligence and speed confirmed?
@@DaveInSnitchel Santa's omnipotence can be quite creepy when you think about it (he sees you when you're sleeping and he knows when your awake or being "bad" or "good" so be good or else), the guy can travel at the speed of light to any location despite time zones and deliver presents to children (I wonder if he goes by an age range of who classifies as children) who may or may not celebrate it or know anything about it. Santa's reality bending physics are both interesting and terrifying since he only does it once a year.
You know what’s even sadder…is that Robot Chicken make Christmas segments that are pretty good…than this piece of crap excuse of a Christmas series
The murder mystery special with "inspector Jesus" is top tier.
Even sadder thing is that Robot Chicken creators were executive producers in this.
@@reichtangleanschluss509 They're producers in that they did the stop-motion. Other than that, it doesn't seem like they had much other input (if they did the show might be way funnier).
As someone who doesn't like Robot Chicken much, I'll admit that some segments were actually good in the series including the Christmas segments.
@@reichtangleanschluss509 they were responsible for the stop motion but the writing is not their fault.
I think another interesting outcome would have been if Santa DID choose a female successor, but not Candy, for the same reasons stated. She wouldn't have the excuse of it being based in sexism then, and would have to face the fact that her personality was why she didn't get the job she wanted, rather than her gender. It would have been an avenue to force character growth and have her partially "succeed" in her plan while still not being rewarded for her negative actions.
Then she has to make the choice to either support the female successor out of solidarity and help her move forward, or refuse out of pettiness and have to acknowledge that she wanted these things not out of a noble goal of equality, but out of her own jealousy and desire for more power and influence.
But then they can't use the victim card anymore
That would have been a rather compelling dramedy subject actually
Sounds too interesting of a plot to shove the usual "men bad" plot down people's throats.
The problem is that her massive ego would have turned her straight up into a villain.
Yeah, but see the problem there is that I genuinely think they think Candy being a bitch is "Yaaaasss queen #BossBabe" empowering rather than just very unpleasant. They'd needed to know what they were doing to do this.
Honestly a great idea tho - I'd watch the shit outta that
when the "Villain" is the only sane and reasonable character in the whole show you know you've made a mistake somewhere (in this case it's making the show at all)
Still wondering who asked and who needed an R rated Christmas animated movie.
the sad clown who let himself be convinced he was anything more than a court jester and also has major identity issues because hes buried in identity politics that tell him being jewish is the only good thing about him and hes jewish in ethnicity only with no sense of will to follow the actual faith thus giving him a constant need for external validation due to the collapse of the foundation of his self identity.
@@mr.j7444 "bro that's like very antisemitic of you"
…when Bad Santa already exists!
A sicko I suppose 🤔
There are ways of creating a R rated Christmas movie that work
This was not one of them
It's really a pity that the show is that bad considering how good the animation it is. What a waste of the use of stop motion
(Watch robot chicken instead)
Robot Chicken is WAAAY better when doing Christmas related stuff.
The only reason it's stop motion is to ape the old Robot Chicken shit.
14:52: Wow, Seth Rogan is really Incompetent, huh?
Wow. Just Wow.
Shut up. No. Fuck no. That is the most traumatizing artstyle to ever exist.
"People who don't like Santa Inc are white supremacists!"
Me who is an Arab: "he could be any one of us!"
This show is haram
He could be you! He could be me! He could even be--
*BLAM!*
Whoa, Whoa!
Oh!
What? It was obvious! *cocks shotgun* He's the white supremacist!
Look! He'll turn red with white supremacist anger any second now!
*taps foot with shotgun*
...Any second now!... SEE? RED!
Wait.. that's blood.
I've heard whites and Arabs racially associated with each other. Is that not the case?
If you guys want a good Christmas themed story where Santa has to choose his next successor, watch Arthur Christmas. It's wholesome and really good character writing and drama.
Yes, it's so good to see someone recommending Arthur Christmas! It's such an underrated classic!
I love that movie. =)
I’ve never seen it, but I’ve heard it’s good! Kinda sad to see how children’s entertainment is way more mature and sophisticated than adults entertainment.
@@allys744 Yes to both of those things.
@@allys744 modern adult entertainment is like what teens and children think is “for adults”
Seriously! Santa’s explanation could’ve saved the show at least a little! Hell, the dialogue while explaining it was actually really good compared to the rest. But then they had to screw it up, and then it became one of the worst comedy shows to ever exist.
I really was about to have my opinion on the show change during the speech. Like I was thinking, “oh this show will finally have some nuance.” But then it all immediately gets thrown out the window like a full bedpan. Fuck this show.
The dialogue sounded so good, I thought Steve was about to say “I just made that up, and here’s Santa’s actual reasoning”
@@crimsondynamo615 14:52: Wow, Seth Rogan is really Incompetent, huh?
Wow. Just Wow.
Was this close to be an okay show with that nuance Santa reasoning behind not picking her but had to bed pan that shit
@@3DSDF especially how he was just reading it instead of letting it play lol.
I actually think the premise is pretty interesting. But man, the execution is so bad lmao. Like damn Santa really gave Candy the BEST compromise and she just spat in his face. What a way to make your audience hate the protagonist
There were several parts I liked (Santa’s main option leaving for Amazon is kind of hilarious, when done right), and some cool premises. But then just really bad execution. Besides Santa, of course.
Why would she want to be Santa if she's bad with kids?
@pain At the risk of playing Devil’s Advocate . . .
As far as Candy was concerned, Santa was being a hypocrite.
@@cian.o
Because she wants the prestige and power of a job without any of the work or responsibility it entails.
Which is actually pretty common among a lot of people.
@@libertatemadvocatus1797 And you know if they played that angle that would've been fine.
By 14:30 I thought this was going to turn into a, 'all the reviews got it wrong, they weren't really paying attention to the message of the story'. Then directly after, 'nope, it just what you thought it was'.
This was the best review of it I've watched. Especially pointing out the hypocrisy.
You should watch Just Stop's review, he touched more on some of the points that Steve made.
It’s a scene -> th-cam.com/video/vNggYJhE9nM/w-d-xo.html
I thought the same. My dissapointment is immeasurable, and my day is ruined.
@@moth300 What the fuck does that have to do with this?!
@@UltraGalaxyify nothing
Santa's speech was the most mature thing in this whole show
Then they ruined it
You get more out of watching Care Bears
At least somebody cares there
This is the best Christmas gift ever, getting a review from Steve.
14:52: Wow, Seth Rogan is really Incompetent, huh?
Wow. Just Wow.
Rightt? Was so happy to see a new vid
Damn, you have some pretty low standards
The fact that Seth just assumed that only white people hate this show is ridiculous. I’m a POC and even though I haven’t watched the show, looking at this review convinced me to hate it
Show was starting to have good message honestly when he gave his reasoning why he picked the intern as his successor and not her but nope show throws it all away to show mmm men bad
Yup
@@Deadhead-kq4hr True, Santa showed ture pragmatism and empathy in that scene, like real leader.
Then she just tells him to fuck off, just shows how much disdain the writers have for Christmas.
Seth probably now thinks you aren't "truly black" because you disliked the show. :howitbe:
@@blade8741 I’m not black but he would think of something like that
The ending of Episode 6 was absolutely perfect. Had Candy actually accepted Santa's explanation and took accountability for her shitty attitude with kids, I would have eaten my words about how awful the show was. But the writers pissed all of that away by making Santa the stereotypical villain, and making Candy into a Mary Sue who's never wrong.
Well, it would have been a pretty shitty show with one good scene. But they threw even the CHANCE at having *one* good scene away, in place for just another shitty one.
White male = villain. Were you listening to the rest of the dialog, or the executive producer explaining what race every critic of his movie is?
Santa’s reason on episode 6 moment really hit home with me.
My sister always talks about how she wants a baby one day, but from what I’ve seen she hates being around kids. I try to explain to her how that there’s a difference between wanting a baby and wanting to be a mother, she said that she’ll learn eventually but ik she doesn’t have maternal instincts.
Whenever we babysit our younger cousins she only wants to hold and play with the babies but when the actual responsibilities come to play (such as feeding, changing and bathing and helping them sleep and when they start crying) she leaves me to do the work. Once the babies turn to kids she starts to ignore them.
I don’t think that she’s intentionally bad with kids it’s just like what Santa says “you either have it or you don’t.”
She also is on the spectrum so I don’t blame her if it’s too overwhelming, it sometimes frustrates me when she says she wants a family but won’t work for it.
Your sister won't be a good mother, and that's ok.
@roboticartist2793 That isn't okay.
@davenortonsepicprankchannel I mean, if she doesn't have kids it is.
I hope she realises her biological children will have a super high chance of being autistic as well. And as an autistic person myself my parents can testify that I screamed constantly and needed more help and time reaching basic milestones than an NT baby.
The speech on the bench is so surreal, almost like a hostage wrote it as a secret message to the audience.
Staring to think someone had to be forced to greenlight it to begin with.
@@austinmorrison6953
Sounds like Netflix.
I think what happened was the creators accidentally made something good but had to cover up their mistake by pandering more
@@beacondude5000 I do have a theory that a lot of Hollywood creators today are anti-effort and allergic to good quality shows.
I legit thought that Steve made the speech himself and at the end would have just said "Just joking! I made that up." I seriously couldn't believe this show could write something that logical.
The thing is, THIS is what Hollywood considers to be the "good guy" character. An attempted murderer who left a wounded man, in pain and possibly dying in the cold and dark to die because he was angry over being hit by a car. A narcissist who is shallow in the extreme and is completely unable (or unwilling) to see anyone beyond what they are physically, a ruthless backstabbing who'll slit throats and betray anyone to get what will satisfy her ego.
And Hollywood sees this as a character people should cheer for and aspire to be.
I think this is a Hollywood way of trying to appear "realistic" ... what we really see is their distorted idea of what they _think_ it looks like.
That's literally what it is!
As if most hollywood execs haven't stabbed their own share of backs to get where they are. They think these characters are the heroes because the execs think themselves the heroes.
This is the exact problem with the loss of the church. I don't believe in God, but I do believe in the core Christian values, and when most people were taught this moral framework society was a better place. But with the loss of the Sunday church, other groups have formed with their own particular moral framework, and in this case, the framework focuses on hedonism and group identities. This will not make for a good society.
@@kingcosworth2643
Christians aren't exactly the moral highground, either. Whether you're a good or bad person often has nothing to do with what religion you follow.
I just despise shows like this, it’s just nasty and strangely spiteful, it has nothing to say, just spite.
I wish animated adult shows had writing like King of the Hill, Archer and Aqua Teen Hunger Force these days.
Adult comedy nowadays just consists of someone just blankly farting.
I really appreciate this review a lot, especially because you look beyond just the politics of the show, which is what a lot of other critics tend to get hung up on, and focus on EVERYTHING that's wrong with the show: the humor, the writing, the characters etc.. I especially like how you point out the hypocrisy and double-standards of the show, particularly when it comes to male victims of sexual harassment and marital abuse.
So that’s the second time Seth Rogen brought down a decent animation studio for a meh project. Hopefully this time the animators weren’t as screwed over with their paychecks. It’s stuff like this is why I’m scared for Ninja Turtles’ state after he’s done with them.
wonder how his Donkey Kong performence will be...
@@gabrielneri2820 like shit.
Hopefully their animators don’t get blacklisted from the industry like what happened to those working on Sausage Party
@@gabrielneri2820 Well for one, he’s not writing or directing that role, so if he does a decent performance, it will be mainly because of everyone else. Kind of like his role in Kung Fu Panda, which is pretty good and can get a good laugh.
Seth Rogen has seriously lost my respect, at this point.
Imagine if Candy took Santa's explanation to heart. Then decides to be the best she can be. Have Amazon come out with some program to usurp Santa and subscription block Christmas. Then Candy makes everyone get their shit together and puts Devon through training hell to make him the best Santa he can be. She gets back at everyone by just improving things all around and eventually becoming the head honcho behind the scenes and sticking it Bezos.
But that's just my hot take as someone currently in the shower and who hasn't watched show.
Not only that but it would be message that everyone could get behind with a villain that basically everyone hates.
Fuck, man, that's a better plot than the entire show
That sounds like a way better ending than what an entire team of writers could apparently make
Heil Helghan
"They Wasted A Perfectly Good Plot"
- TV Tropes (whenever a piece of media wastes its story potential and the viewers can think up something better)
That really sucks. That santa speech was amazing and is such a hard lesson so many people need to learn
And they fucked it up
Monster University did it better.
If you cant quite reach the spot you wanted because you're just missing a spark no amount of hard work will give you, that doesn't make you worthless and you can still find a compromise that'll make all parties happy.
@@DeepEye1994yeah but in this case what being Santa really means
I’m sorry this woman just hit someone with her car
What did she expect? Them to be nice and calm? No you just hit someone with your fucking car, you should’ve expected them to get PISSED OFF AT YOU
*ESPECIALLY WHEN IT’S CLEAR OUTSIDE AND THERE’S NO GINORMOUS MOUNDS OF SNOW TO ACTUALLY BLOCK THEM OUT*
Her actions at that moment took what could have been at best a citation and at worst vehicular manslaughter (depending on if he died) and made it a class D Felony, assuming US law.
As somebody who's been hit by a car twice in broad daylight, yes he has every right to be mad.
Honestly, if there's ever a point at which you should be ok with someone shouting expletives at you...
That whole speech Santa gave about not choosing Candy was actually really good. And then the show shot the scene dead and fucked its corpse on a burning pile of HBO Max subscriber money.
This sums it up pretty well
They sure did bud lol
They were so obsessed with "the message"" that they straight up threw away the one shot at even a remote chance of redemption.
@@vla1ne i was very impressed with the writing for santas speech, i was shocked when steve showed the dumb shit they did after that. It makes me wonder how horrible people can write something beautiful and have they themselves believe that HE'S a piece of shit and not her. I mean THEY wrote it but they wanted the audience, US to think hes bad. Smh
I dont know if anyone understood what i was trying to say but yeah
@@Dylan-jp9mr I get you. That is just who they are now. They consider a logical, well thought out argument to be a negative, why do you think they never make a logical answer for why the role of santa should change beyond "it's time for change". To them, a coherent argument is proof positive of all that they deem negative.
Candy leaving someone who said mean things to her to die isn't remotely surprising. Spend 10 minutes looking at how these people act on Twitter and you'll realize they'd do the same thing in real life.
Even if my worst arch nemesis were to do that to me, I would still help him/her because I know I'm less of a shitbag than them and I don't wanna stoop on that level. Rubbing that "see that? Im not am asshole unlike you" in their face.
Also some people just have that inherent kindness in them despite their god awful demeanor but egotistical people who think they aren't bad are much worse than some bullies. Bullies know that they are la king something and are insecure and vent out om their targets but some bullies do change for the better
@@janinebelleestrada7096 true, people can change but the twittter users who think there the good guys and are never wrong, those types of people I’m afraid will never change for the better sadly
@@chosenone8456 The question then is how do you handle such evil people who refuse to change for the better? Are you supposed to just sit back and watch them ruin the world?
@@jonathanoriley8260 kill them on the spot but people don't have the balls to do that anymore
@@thewildcardperson damn guess every single living being on the planet deserves To die by your logic
Inside Job was a great show that did the “got overlooked for the promotion because of X” way better. The main character learns to work together instead of staying bitter.
I would argue that show is even more hypocritical but that's just me.
@@dhnation4975 It definitely reeks of identity politics, but I like how they didn’t make the “straight white male bro” the antagonist like they did with this show. Also, I found it legitimately funny.
Also she didn't want the job because she was a women she wants it because she a genius
Reagan was the fully realized Candy. Not only was she an actual genius with ideas for incognito, but you can actually see her flaws as a person and how shitty it was when her boss didnt make her the head. And she actually felt devoted to that promotion rather than it just being something on a checklist for her
@@retrolightning2k86 Exactly! Reagan is actually a good flawed character.
Even with them trying to make Santa look bad for why he didn't choose her, he isn't wrong. When one thinks of Santa, they think of a jolly person who loves and connects with every child in the world. Not someone who's uncomfortable around them and pushes them away.
They didn’t. Don’t get me wrong this show is dogshit. But they never actually say he’s wrong about this. They just have him be a hypocrite who isn’t living up to this standard either. But again they never say he’s wrong.
Anyone remember Arthur Christmas? That movie about how Steve was the prime candidate for the successor of Santa, but realizes Arthur had the right mindset for the role and graciously steps down to be the support.
Good times
Yesss!!!!!
Gotta love Aardman Animations, man.
Quite possibly the most underrated Christmas movie of all time. I'm so glad it's getting some recognition.
Author Christmas needs more recognition because the movie is really good
That was a damn good movie
That speech ending you explained would have been perfect for this show. "You are a great person but you don't like what the job represents which is why I need you to be guiding the new Santa so he can do it right." God that would have been beautiful, but it's hurt by being so full of itself.
If anybody interested just look up Arthur Christmas. It's literally the perfect Christmas movie you can watch about what it truly means to be Santa Claus.
Isn’t that the arc for the older brother in that film
@@ej7416
Yep. He was a excellent in handling the operations of being Santa but not Santa himself. Arthur despite being clumsy and less experienced was so compassionate he was willing to risk his life for at least one child on Christmas just so she can get her presents.
It's a underrated gem.
Ego is the greatest killer of some folks, they let themselves get so wrapped up in what they want, what they DESERVE, that they forget the future or the past, only thinking about now. She could of made changes so that the next Santa could be a woman, easily. But no, she wanted the glory, she wanted to be the savior. No one else but her.
@@Killgore-ip2yq and the funny thing is Steve actually accepts that Arthur was chosen because he knows that he's a better Santa
"The guy who was chosen to be Santa's successor defects over to Amazon."
Okay, that was seriously funny.
Yeah, that was one of the... Two pluses the show has.
He knew why he was being chosen, and promptly gtfo. He knew what was coming, anyway.
The Santa's choice explanation ending seemed like it was someone"s original direction. But who ever had higher authority of production decided against it. So that's how we got the more shallow ending.
I still hate the fact companies just use the whole “you only dislike it because you’re an offensive person” these days.
Dislike the new Ghost Busters? It’s because you’re sexist. Dislike the new Star Wars? It’s because you’re sexist. Dislike Santa Inc? It’s because you’re racist.
Can we just stop please? It doesn’t even make sense as an argument
It's not suppose to make sense, it's a scapegoat
Didn’t a bunch of anti-Semites and Holocaust deniers flood the comment section of the trailer? I’ve heard a lot of the comments on the video were had extremely offensive “jokes” in them.
The star wars one is true though, I've been in the star wars fandom for years and is literally hell
@@diegob798 Then you're seeing what you're wanting to see. Sorry not sorry
@@gav1233 yeah, I've seen the comment section myself, it was a cesspool, but it doesn't mean that anyone who dislikes the movie is like this.
I'm still not convinced this whole thing isn't a parody. They really can't be this bad by being serious...can they?
I was kind of thinking the same thing. The way the characters are unlikeable feels weirdly deliberate. Like, the set-ups that make you end up hating the characters (like the bit with the baby shower) almost seem too villainizing to have been done by accident. What if they made this whole thing so rage-inducing so people would hate-watch it?
@@adventureinc.9769 "What if they made this whole thing so rage-inducing so people would hate-watch it?" You may be onto something there. I mean, The Emoji Movie made a million and a half in profit, and I imagine most of that was from people watching it ironically. Maybe the people who made Santa Inc saw that and went "Hey, maybe we ought to try the same thing!"
Nah, it feels to genuine to be fake. They somewhat believe in what they made.
@@lightningpenguin8937 or they could be too afraid to say they don’t believe in it? Creating a half that people want to relate to, and a half that makes you ask “what is this”
Unfortunately, Seth Rogan has been like this for years, like before he made that Superbowl commercial with Amy Schumer talking about the wage gap.
Damn, a part of me died when he showed me what they actually did after that bench scene, how can you fuck that up? Like you almost made the show decent, with a good message.
What makes it worse is that the counter was just... "fuk u"
They *know* the speech was right and had no rebuttal.
@@jackpijjin4088 It is sad that they created an argument to be strawmanned and couldn't actually beat their own argument and instead of beating the argument chose to just make him evil so they can dismiss it instead.
@@jackpijjin4088 it's the same as when you ask someone a question and they say "IT'S NOT MY JOB TO EDUCATE YOU REEEE." They don't know how to back up their own opinions 💀
@@fluidwolf He’s not a straw man. A straw man is a misrepresentation of an opponent’s argument which is designed to sound bad. They straightforwardly portrayed why Santa didn’t choose Candy in a way that, if you pay close attention, had literally nothing to do with her gender or the identity politics of the show up to that point. Someone wrote that genuinely compelling and honest argument, and it is really hard to believe that someone else wasn’t in charge before or after since there is no rebuttal as to why she should be Santa after all.
I like how they think when a guy is doing something rude, its evil, but when a girl does something rude its funny.
"It's OK when we do it 😃!"
😒
Damn, Santa's explanation actually had me on the edge of my seat. Why the fuck did they ruin it?
Politics and money.
Because "white man bad" essentially. The show only cares about putting out a woke message and demonizing anyone that could be seen as an obstacle to the narrative it wants to push
@@osmanyousif7849 mostly politics
@@isaacvitela5131 , trust me. It is also money, because many politicians will say that they don’t care about the money and the people first, but in reality they don’t. They just want more for themselves and for us dummies who elected them to give them what we tried to earn.
Edit: As George Carlin once said, “It’s a big club and you ain’t in it.”
*people of all races, genders and backgrounds dislike Santa Inc*
Seth: "Only white supremacists hate the show!"
Yeah I have zero interest in watching the show, judging from the trailer and from the videos I've watched about it. Hopefully one day Seth will wake up and realize "maybe I just screwed up".
Lol anyway, Merry Christmas, Steve 🎄
Seth is like one of those USA-style "libertarians" who think that doing shit like this makes him liberal or in the centre.
Well he didnt say 'only them hate the show' nor that if you hate it you are one. Still can be shit show and dislike it for it being bad, and Rogen for being an idiot, but this is actively trying to be ofended.
I feel like they’re trying to get ‘woke’ people on board. But no… just no… not what it is. Or anything from the looks of it.
My point is no one wants this. Except from Seth Rogen apparently.
Unfortunately, nobody in Hollywood says that. When money pays, that’s all that matters. Not actual good ideas, but what the country orders you to make.
I don’t think people in Hollywood understand that just because there are woke people on twitter/tumblr, that does not mean that every single person in america or any other country is woke
Oh my god that scene about candy not liking kids is so damn close to being good, it makes such a good point, Santa first and foremost 'exists' to make kids happy, he's something they believe in and adore. For a second this show almost felt like it had heart and thought put into a scene... And then it fell apart horribly. Man that's a shame since I actually kinda like the animation style
Candy is like that one D&D player who tries to be the party face despite having a sh*t Charisma score. When they already have a perfectly good bard/sorcerer/warlock standing around.
Your take on this show was not only beautiful, but actually hit on EVERYTHING messed up and wrong with this show. Your reviews are actually awesome and Im so glad i stumbled on your channel the other day. been binging it and loving every bit of it. Keep up the fantastic content and thanks for all of your hard work yo.
Wow
You know if they just simply ended with Santa explaining himself to candy I would have loved this show.
same
What wld he have explained to her?
@@domination6585 so you didn’t watch the video
I like to imagine an alternative universe where candy took the advice and began to help Devin become the next Santa, as the show slowly redeems itself making the characters likeable, as in the ending we see the characters better people and it ends with Devin, the new Santa flying off to deliver presents as candy is at her desk, smiling that she was able to take Santa advice to heart
I mean I know it won't ever happen but y'know a guy can dream
Now THAT's a better story, Ms. Zerotwo. That's actually better than the actual Santa Inc.'s plot!
Yeah could've just had Bezo's and his protégé as the villain looking to turn the pole into a warehouse but eh
The scene with Santa on the bench reminds me of a plot thread in the Artemis Fowl books. One of the protagonists is basically what amounts to the first female police officer, and the commander relentlessly calls out every little mistake she makes, and way more harsh to her than any of the male officers. And when she finally confronts him about it, he basically says "Yes. I am absolutely being harder on you because you are a woman. But that's only because everyone else is going to be judging you unfairly. I need to push you to be more than average, you have to be exceptional, otherwise they will never give other women the chance to do what you are doing."
Except they didn't undercut it by having the female protagonist say "fuck you" and storm out anyway.
And look at what they did to that movie...
Julius Root was a great leader despite him being a hardass. Even Artemis respected him.
Such a great character in the book, but in the movie...
Top o' the mornin'
That scene still gives me chills when I think about it.
I miss when good writing involved developing and redeeming characters who are initially set up as unlikeable. Nowadays near every unlikeable character is our Protagonist, and development feels like their anti-matter. The few glimmers of hope like the bench speech are shot down like enemy fighters in hostile air space because of course, our MaRey Sue always has to be correct, right?
Oh come on, that scene where Santa explains why he doesn't choose Candy is AMAZING!!! My jaw was on the floor. I rewatched that part many times. But, yeah, the thing had to be fully disappointing or it would be a good show, but who wants those lately, huh?
This series just spits in the faces of people that work in stop-motion, Christmas specials with true heart, and anyone that has an IQ over 2.
true, the animation looked pretty solid, but then all that work was used for identity politics
The worst part is that this will make stop motion be seen as a lesser style of animation, especially adult animation.
Arthur Christmas did this sooooooo much better
also why the fuck wasn’t amazon the villain? It was such a perfect setup! Candy could’ve come to terms with the fact that she wasn’t santa and begins helping devin and then the original black santa who defected to amazon could’ve come back as a twist villain. It was so close!
Arthur Christmas was perfect movie
You are so right
Santa's explanation genuinely made me think that this isn't a bad show and could've been a great way to send the message woke doesn't equal wisdom but nope
@Kumani Davis It was funny how ridiculous this 360 plot twist came about
I can’t believe they ruined Santa’s character at the end, the stealing is nothing like his personality and doesn’t mix well, they should have cut off the show after Santa had finished his speech
At first I was like “this series doesn’t look TERRIBLE” but then they made Santa the twist villain out of nowhere like… what the hell
And yet he's still more of a hero than Candy even after the fact.
The same kind of bad twist villains Disney keeps making nowadays
I mean, really? The santa as twist villian is what made it terrible? I feel like thats just what added a few more dumptrucks of shit to the Grandcanyon 78% full of shit already. The animation is nice, and thats about it.
They really threw a single chance to turn the show around like why
@@robonator2945 Agreed. It was already terrible, but Santa being the twist villain was what really pushed it from terrible to irredeemable.
I feel like this is just what happens when people are aesthetically woke without any actual understanding of the subjects they’re addressing lol.
Exactly. They want to "start a conversation", i.e get praised without any actual work or risk involved.
It's _almost_ as if the people who made this are insanely privileged and don't know what real hardship looks like 🤔
@@errortryagainlater4240 real hardship is locking the keys to your mansion inside your house
@@plugshirt1762 Oh, that's NOTHING! I was gliding through the Starbucks drive through in my lamborghini and they raised the price of my favourite drink by TWO WHOLE DOLLARS! WHEN WILL THE SUFFERING ENDDDDDDDD
I just love that Steve reviews has only one positive thing say about this show
for a second, but the edgy lord seth rogan could not let the series end in a good tone, he had to push the stereotypical bad santa at the end
Ikr the "alright lets start with the good things.... It was a stop motion and i like them. Now lets get onto the bad things"
Speaking of one Positive thing to say.
I still want to see him talk about Rooster Teeth;s 3D Series, RWBY, and hear him give it a fair review.
Or say one positive thing about that series.
Since it gets too much hate from everyone on TH-cam!
@@dylansmith5206 I think it definitely gets trashed a bit more than maybe it should, not that all the criticism is unjustified, but I feel RWBY has at least always had some goods things to every volume, even if the whole volume doesn’t particularly add up.
I knew right away tha animation would be praised for what it is. fantastic stop motion that gives me hope the medium is not dying as fast as writing seems to be.
If it weren't for you i'd have to watch this, you're doing Gods work Steve
hi
Daddy please come home and make more vids, it's been a year :(
The problem is Seth Rogan tried way too hard to be progressive, and in doing so, he became offensive himself. He wasn’t telling a story, he was giving a political statement, and that’s the biggest problem here. There’s nothing wrong with having a message about racial diversity or inclusiveness, but you need to make it a good story with good characters first, and the message comes second. That way, the audience will be willing to follow the story, and thus would be more receptive to the message. If the message is all that your story has going for it, you risk alienating your audience, especially if not everyone wants a message shoved down their throat. Especially with Santa Inc. where they went really overboard with their message that they forgot to make the story compelling and their characters likeable. Everyone is either mean or abusive or both, and Candy, who we’re supposed to be rooting for, is an angry feminist who doesn’t care about making friends or who actually believes in her cause. She treats everyone like a means to an end at best or an enemy at worst, and that makes her unlikeable. That is exactly the wrong way to give the message, because if we can’t like anyone, we’ll have no desire to stick with them, and thus the message is lost. In order to give your message, you need to first give a good story with likeable characters.
The problem is, racial diversity and inclusiveness isn't what they promote. Santa is a white male so he cannot be Santa anymore. Why exclude white men from the job?
Diversity and inclusion are white-exclusive terms. Whenever you promote "diversity" in anything, you do it at the expense of including Europeans.
he ironically became the villain of his own shown
Seth Rogan has been a jerk for most of his career, how this guy keeps failing upwards I will never know (or I do but I cant post the reason without youtube shadowbanning me)
You perfectly summed up the right way to handle representation. When writers don't actually care, or they focus more on being inclusive rather than the character themself, you often end up with a boring, rude, or sometimes offensive character as a result. The character still needs to be interesting. The audience should be able to sympathize with them. It doesn’t matter what race or gender the character is, if they're poorly written people aren't going to care about them.
Way late but take everything everywhere all at once. Great movie with a female lead who is powerful, and an equally powerful villain who I wont spoil. People loved it, so it has nothing to do with “people hating on diversity/women” as so many people today say. Totally agree with you
Here's a moral for everyone.
Just because someone is a Bad or even EVIL person, doesn't mean they still can't make a good point or have a logical thought.
Santa may have been corrupt the whole time in this show..........that summation of why Candy wouldn't make a good Santa (At least the more public aspect anyway.) was still on that mark.
The Show wants to pretend that that statement doesn't matter or isn't relevant because he's the twist villain.......but it doesn't, even if he was lying, the statement and analysis was accurate (Which I guess makes that an unintentional truth in that scenario.).
A fun example is a Lawful Evil Character you can recruit in Wrath of the Righteous, a Gnome Hell Knight who is always dedicated to closing the World Wound at any costs (Which include some genuinely awful thing, such as killing wounded troops so they can't be raised as undead troops for the demons, or something like that.), he however never does anything he thinks is detrimental to that cause, and will even respect a Chaotic Good character as long as they don't disrespect him in turn and at least listen to his advice, even if they don't act on it.
Especially if we take into account that these assignments like good or evil are subjective. Every bad person has to believe they are doing good or else they wouldn't be able to look into a mirror.
I doubt there are not enough white supremacists to ratio an entire series of this size. Even if there are enough how many of those out there would even care about this movie, isn't it better to troll something popular for more infamy?
World wide? The mixture of ideologies that make up that philosophy have been in decline for decades apart from a few minor resurgences in specific nations(generally due to anti white sentiment becoming official government policy to no great shock) even so though? It's single digit millions across the the planet at most by this point.
It's very much a dead horse especially when used in reference to try to hide behind something as minor as a show flopping
Hello again
The term has been watered down to a generic insult.
Do you hate Hero Hei?
@@eclipticsolar5441 hi gamer
"I don't care what color the feminist is, she can kiss my ass." Had me dying 💀💀💀
I liked the one santa special where they gave him immortality for being a genuine kind person that only wanted to make people smile. "Step one foot in front of the other people"
Santa Claus is Coming to Town?
Man, I love that version of Santa; what a wonderful man. He somehow manages to turn a mean, hateful ice wizard into a loving and compassionate person just by showing him a tiny little token of kindness. Even that manages to warm my stone cold heart at times.
Your memories seem fuzzy...
You might want to watch that special again. It's called Santa Claus Is Comin' To Town, and it's on TH-cam... If that's what you mean
It's actally "The Life and Adventures of Santa Claus" where they question whether to give Santa immortality for his actions. It's similar to "Santa Claus is Comin to Town" and made by the same people years apart from each other, so I don't blame anyone confusing the two.
@@JustinB6699 I got confused by his last sentence because I thought he was referring to "Put One Foot In Front Of The Other"
anything with seth rogan sucks. that’s one of the rules of modern movies and shows
An American Pickle was way better than most movies with Seth Rogan, but I think thats because it was based on a novella and so wasnt entirely the brainchild of a Calafornicised man-child.
Good luck watching the new Mario movie then. (Since he’s playing Donkey Kong)
@@silashurd3597 can’t wait for donkey kong to start talking about kongs live matter
I am scared for the Mario movie with him in it
@@vaporwavepepsiman donkey Kong and BLM is an interesting combination
I'll admit, the idea of Santa's replacement leaving for a job at Amazon is kinda funny
That was probably the sole thought that the show was built around. Like, Seth Rogan was smoking weed with one of his friends and someone said “If Santa were real, Amazon would be making his job redundant” and then they smoked the rest of their weed, killed their last remaining braincells, and wrote this piece of shit.
Damn that speech Santa gave was really powerful. I don't think it would've fixed the show, but it might've added some merit to it. To bad the creators discounted an actually good message.
Wow. That monologue Santa gave was so powerful. And yet, they chose to throw it away.
To be fair a Santa does need to be good with kids.
True Arthur Christmas mentioned that as an Important rule
@@williampulfer-melville8536
I fucking love that movie.
@@zvenafnazbalji7539 let's forget about this shit show and just talk about Arthur Christmas
@@zvenafnazbalji7539 its pretty hard to tell it's an Aardman film
@@williampulfer-melville8536
Yeah that's one of my main problem with the movie but I still really like it.
And Seth Rogen is supposed to be the producer for Disney’s Darkwing Duck reboot… May god have mercy on this show.
He seems pretty good with superhero stuff. Invincible, The Boys, and Preacher are notable examples.
Sarah Elf: Things have got to change!
Santa: Sure. Yer turn.
《Sarah Elf screams in agony as her body morphs into a general modern depiction of Santa Claus.》
Sarah Elf: Wh-what happened to me!?
Santa (now looking like Morgan Freeman): Each Santa is a white male because that is the modern accepted depiction of Santa Claus, and each Santa takes on that image.
Sarah Elf: I-I don't want this! I want to be the first FEMALE Santa Claus!
Santa: Sorry, but that isn't how the magic of Christmas works. You get the power travel across the world and deliver presents to millions-no, billions of children across the world only because of the belief and love of children. Their belief is the source of the magic, and thus you are bound to be what they believe. And they don't believe in a female elf as Santa.
Like the Santa Clause
@@scottgaultney Sarah Elf: **INCOHERENT HIGH PITCHED SQUEALING**
I agree. That Santa speech to Candy was the only good part of the whole thing...and then they just torpedo it. It made perfect sense. Then...argh.
Hey Steve! I want to recommend 2 movies from my own country, Hungary:
- Fehérlófia (Son of the white mare) made in 1981
- János vitéz (John the knight) made in 1973 (the first Hungarian animated movie)
While I do not know if these movies have dubs, I'm 100% sure you can find them with subtitles
You forgot The Trgedy of Man, made between 1988-2011.
Macskafogo when
@@BetamaxFlippy You are right. It's a classic that should be talked about too!
What about Vuk? Vuk is probably the most iconic Hungarian animated movie, that deserves a review too!
És a Hófehér1?
9:38 It would have been more of a triumph if she still helped him despite the fact he was sexist towards her.
Damn man...that bit at the end with Santa explaining himself was actually really good. It's genuinely impressive writing.
And then they blow it.
Makes it even worse the fact that Candy only wanted the role because she thinks she deserves it and to just prove herself. She doesn't want it because she wants to change the company for the better, if she wanted change she would've accepted Santa's offer. It was always her ego.
Good thing the writers make us hate Candy even fucking more. They were trying to make her the character who is “never wrong” and a Mary Sue.
@@asctiu9755 to be fair they tried to give her an arc with her apologizing but that doesn't work because EVERYONE else is also an asshole. They should have just done the bojack horseman approach where her bad family made her a selfish egotistical person. Would explain why she wants to be Santa, to prove to herself that she's better than them or show how her family's ego rubbed off on her. That would have made her sympathetic but for some reason they wanted to make her family sympathetic characters but put in no work to make them sympathetic.
"I don't care what the color the feminist is she can kiss my ass" was the best part of the movie xD
Just seeing her say that with so much passion warmed my cold dead heart
That's going on my Wall of Quotes.
using this later for sure
"If you don't like my series then you ain't black!" - Seth Rogan
I just want a stop motion show or movie that actually uses the medium to tell a compelling story, and not just be a Robot Chicken clone. At Guillermo Del Toro's Pinnochio looks interesting
watch something from wes anderson, aardman, laika, and henry selek
The reason why the modern Santa Claus is an elderly white man with a beard is because he's based off of many different European interpretations of the Spirit of Christmas. Father Christmas in the United Kingdom, Pere Noel in France, Sinter Klass in the Dutch Netherlands, the list goes on. And they all have their roots in the 3rd Century Christian Monk Saint Nicholas who was famous for giving gifts to children.
And yes I'm well aware that Saint Nicholas was a Turk but that's not how the European Legends evolved over time. It's not a racist conspiracy theory, it's just a tradition.
And more importantly it's a victimless tradition.
Nobody really cares that Santa is white, it's just mindless political performative wokeness that I'm surprised everyone on earth didn't get bored of way long ago
@@gerryfromthevoid8986 Well Cancer doesn't just magically disappear one day.
There is actually a female Santa in Italy called La Bafana. The Christmas witch who gives treats to good children.
Like Jesus being depicted as a white dude with ripped abs because Caucasian people wouldn't mingle with a brown Savior.
Culture and tradition is often just a thin veil for exclusivity and gate keeping, but if it's not your culture one should just deal with it.
@@lasarousi
Well, that and Jesus' race changes depending on what country you're in. For example, Chinese Jesus.