Analogue Super Nt - The Ultimate FPGA Super NES? :: RGB310 / MY LIFE IN GAMING
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- We go behind the scenes of the Super Nt with FPGA engineer Kevtris to see what it took to reverse-engineer the SNES, and take an in-depth look at its host of features that put it well beyond the Nt mini and similar options in its scaling prowess.
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The ONLY Super NT review that matters...from the most trustworthy channel on retro gaming (as evident of Kevtris's trust in giving them the system nearly two months ahead of time!)
Thanks MLiG!!!
"Electrons...move through reality"
-cinemassacre
Kevtris is truly a great gift to the gaming community. His talent is unmatched from what I have seen with quality.
KWKBOX imagine if he and Krikzz teamed up 😀
Now that would be some serious awesomeness. HDMI TG16?
Stop trying to get into his pants. I know what's going on here! 😡😡😡
They day he cracks into a neogeo is the day I truly jizz my pants.
lowbudgetify I agree. I guess we can’t have it all. There’s the MiSTer project option, although it does not work with original cartridges...
Another great job on this video guys! Loved the interview w/Kevin... had no idea he worked on C64 stuff!
[Try4ce] We prioritized getting our hands on some C64 gear just because we really wanted to shoot some relevant b-roll for those few seconds in the beginning of the video!
My Life in Gaming Great Vid! Did Analogue happen to mention when we might see the analog video adapter for the Super NT? Also, which console color is your fav 👍
I started on C64 stuff, lol
kevtris Thanks again for all your hard work on these systems. I own the original Analogue NT and should be receiving the Super NT as soon as my order ships!
Love those sweet C-64 SIDs. :)
With all the Super Nt reviews hurrying to get on TH-cam before anyone else, THIS is the only review worth seeing IMO.
For sure
DigitalFoundry's review is also high quality
I wish they would make a cheaper NT Mini with only HDMI and no expensive aluminum.
I think they will eventually
The AVS is pretty awesome, in case you may have never seen/used one.
@@Recoil816 since they are close in price as compared to the super nt, i would choose the nt mini over the avs. more features, better unit.
@@MisterRorschach90 Well of course the NT Mini is preferable, but the prices aren't comparable. The AVS is $200-ish. The NT Mini sells for at *least* $500 on eBay, and upwards of multiple thousands, which is of course absurd.
Unless you're trying to say something else... your comment is either worded strangely or I am just dense today. What does the Super NT have to do with this?
jordan secrist meh. The AVS and NT are virtually identical in terms of functionality. Both are ugly, just one is made of metal and one plastic.
My life in gaming is pure gold
Kevtris is quite an impressive human being...
Fantastic, fantastic review, guys. Been waiting on this. Can't wait until mine gets in my hands.
With out a doubt, this is the best and most informative review of the SuperNT on the internet. Really no need to go anywhere else for all the info one needs.
Four Super NT reviews in my subscriptions today - going straight for the MLIG video
Yep, watched the real one first.
i've watched several Super Nt reviews and this one is by far my favorite. more objective data here than in others - a LOT more. your content frequently exceeds your peers in this way. great video, great channel.
The Super NT review we've all been waiting for! :D
I cant wait for a sneak peak of the new mega SG - but I was wondering... considering its using the same chip as the Super NT, and they plan to sell cartridge adapters for plugging in master system games etc. Why cant the Mega SG also get an SNES cartridge adapter? I am not sure if I want to spend the money for an Analogue NT & SD2SNES + Mega SG & Mega EverDrive - good interview question for kevtris
@@bigcheesepuff1 they could port the Snes core to mega sg but not an adaptor as certain snes games require more power through the cartridge contacts for snes special chip games. Of course they also wouldn't as there a business who try to give you the real experience with real cartridges. I have a super nt and pre-ordered the mega sg. Your never lose money on it anyway
I really like how you guys go into a ton of detail and cover just about everything you make a video on.. so much better than these other guys just going over it quick just to get a video out..Thank you for your hard work!
LOL, I’m love the video beginning that made me feel like I was watching the Nintendo Power VHS on DKC in the Tree House.
[Try4ce] That's where the music is from. ;)
best MLIG episode, thanks to the man himself Kevtris for all the passion and hard work put in to the scene
Thanks a lot for the video. Can we expect an uncut version of the interview with Kevin to show up on the b-roll channel?
thumbs this up
The best tech-based retro gaming channel on TH-cam
I must have watched that little beginning Play it Loud vignette at least 10 times now, I love it! You guys have a real talent for capturing that time period!
Now this is a proper review unlike some other videos that came out today. Another great job by these guys
Crateix you mean metal Jesus's lol
Metal Jesus and This Does Not Compute :D
It does seem to be quite an injustice that MLiG has sub 100k subscribers, with the detail of info they include and level of research.
Class is now in session!
You guys have some great video editing skills. This felt like a very professional interview/overview of the system. Great job! The information is much appreciated.
My Super Nt should arrive in the mail in the next couple of days, can't wait to play with it!
Great video!!!
Since I've been hunting for a 1-chip SNES... I just came across this video... wow, I think my hunt is finished! This is actually one of my favorite videos on TH-cam.
I watched this so many times before I finally ordered one lol :) I still come back to recapture the feeling. No other console has ever had such a quality library of games as the snes.
I really love this channel. Hands down the very best of its kind.
Analogue is very smart in their marketing. I have no doubt that they'll allow Kevtris to release a jailbreak for the system in the future. They'll wait until the initial sales die down a bit and then let him release the jailbreak to make a news splash and get a significant sales bump again. Just like with the Nt mini.
Personally, I'm also hoping that with the additional FPGA room he mentioned having, he'll implement the features the SD2SNES has, with MSU1 audio and even the various add-on chip cores. That way, you'd just load up your Super Nt with ROMs and it'll play all those special-chip games AND be able to do MSU audio, all by itself with no SD2SNES needed. If that happens, that's when I'll buy the thing.
KyoshoLP They don't need to allow it :v
Yeah I assume it'd be a huge breech of contract if he did it without permission. He could even open himself up to being sued. Personally I still think the jailbreak will happen, when Analogue is ready. Even if he doesn't release other cores for the system, I think he'll allow the loading of ROMs.
Well boys, the jailbreak is already out lol
I love that play it loud portion in the beginning, as well as the rest of the video of course.
Love the videos!
Kevtris is just brilliant, he's on another level.
Another amazing video, and another piece of tech I need to throw on my wishlist pile. Great job, guys.
Great work, as always. Loved getting insight from Kevtris!
Finally ordered mine yesterday! So hyped! The adding to cart problems were frustrating! So excited!
This channel is so fucking good. The quality of this videos... Is so absolutely incredible. This is the type of channel that deserves millions of subscribers.
Just got mine today, it was a revelation! Everything looks amazing on my monitor, used to have to go from rca to vga and play with the vga adapter to make the colors look decent.
I would love to see the uncut interview footage
Absolutely the best super nt analysis anywhere. Well done! So glad to support you guys on Patreon.
Gah... this is truly their best best best video yet imo... everything feels much cleaner and accurate than before (I could be wrong), it's such a delight seeing all those colors and shapes, and the lighting feels much smoother now... thanks guys.
Long live My Life In Gaming! Long live Kevtris!
Looks like a great system, the SNES had some real classic games of that era.
I got about 10 Analogue Super Nt videos in my TH-cam feed, this will be the one I actually watch.
omg that play it loud intro was perfect
When I watch your videos, I realize how stupid I really am in comparison
Superhero Game Squad Don't feel discouraged!
haha, I feel the same.
Seriously these guys are like Retro gaming's NASA. I can't imagine their planning process.
I wouldn't say stupid, just uninformed. Try and Coury have been doing this stuff for ages and are really devoted to it.
I've felt similar to you every time I watch one of their videos and I've been here since before the beginning!
Superhero Game Squad same.we can b stupid together
Need a Turbografx version of one of these. SNES has options for a great picture. TG16 might not be a popular enough system for Analogue to do tho.
Bones Jackson Tg16 and Genesis should be the next 1s they work on in my opinion.
YES!!! I am a complete virgin to the TurboGrafx and I want to experience it. Upvote this guy's comment everyone!
Fantastic video, goes into some of the grittier details not covered as explicitly elsewhere. This channel is a gift to old game enthusiasts.
you guys literally the only yt channel I ever donated for, so much quality, I'm so glad this even exists
Yet another fantastic episode! It's great to see how much more improved this thing is able to be thanks to the greater FPGA used. I am impressed with the visuals and even though I already have a SNES with an upscaler, I am still tempted to get one of these.
If you haven't I suggest it, its great and its often looks better than a snes (mines a 1-chip) to a framemeister/ossc.
Great review as always. Just got a Super Retron HD from Hyperkin not long ago and it seems pretty good, but I might have to upgrade to this with all the features and tweaks considered.
Also, watching your videos with headphones is a real treat - your sound balancing and channel panning is really satisfying on the ears haha
ChaseFace, By using FPGAs it's almost guaranteed that they aren't stealing non-commercial emulators from Retroarch/Libretro. Some businesses in this retro hardware space are doing a huge disservice to the emu dev community (i.e. Hyperkin and Retro-bit). www.libretro.com/index.php/appeal-to-game-journalists-about-retro-bit-and-about-the-new-retro-emulation-industry-in-general/
CaptainEO420, SNES9x was partially created years ago by one Retroarch/Libretro team member (Daniel De Matteis). So it matters directly for him and that core and the other contributing devs. If Hyperkin or Retro-bit are reselling their work and not sharing their profits that's a blow to the dev's moral who are working long hours out of the goodness of their hearts. Some with families and full time jobs. The same is true for emu authors of other non-commercial emus such as Genesis Plus GX. Think about it? What incentive would you have to create (for free) what someone else will steal? This contention will slow or stop emu development if it's not addressed.
www.libretro.com/index.php/category/blog/
It's not about who invented the cores, or that no one is getting paid. Many of these emulator makers keep their work fairly open and distributed with GPL licenses. The problem is, by packaging those cores in their emulator box and selling it, they are in direct violation of those licenses. It also took quite some time before their work was even credited, which is scummy af.
Uhh, they've shown plenty of proof. Did you read the above link at all?
RetroArch actually took the time and went through the proper channels to properly license, modify, and use these emulators for their purposes. The same cannot be said for the other companies in question.
Again, the big issue is that RetroFreak, Hyperkin, and other companies are using non-commercial, open code for commercial use, which is in direct violation of the license(s) these emulators are distributed under. Also, they continued to sell it even after learning of their mistake.
So you conveniently missed the part where you could view both the source codes from the RetroFreak and their own and see they were exactly the same? It doesn't get more proof than that.
But whatever, I can see I'm getting nowhere showing you the cold hard facts. What do you have to back up the CLAIMS you're just haphazardly throwing out here?
Finally got my hands on a Black version yesterday from Analogue's re-stock! I've sworn by my Mega SG for years now, and I'm so excited to play my SNES games of the same quality.
Very great review of the Super Nt. You really ran it through it paces and great job on the comparisons. Nice job getting in-depth. Also nice to have Kevtris on the video to talk about all this.
Definitely agree on the NT Mini cart slot, was really disappointed in how finicky it is given the price point that it cost to get the system
FPGA Neo-geo is a really appealing idea.
It’s too bad the demand is so much lower! It would end up being a 600-800$ system for sure.
The cart prices for the system alone would make the neo geo not a good choice to redo. Unless they got a license to remake carts too.
Yeah but.. I mean... If you already have all the MVS carts you want it would be pretty badass. My Neo Geo collection is bigger than my SNES one.
Mike TheGamerGuy that will never happen. Would be way more expensive than the actual system, so what would be the point of it?
Segata Jonshiro you are lucky if you have a neo geo collection. I have an x gold and the super pack but that is the best i can do price wise.
Dude!... this Channel is LIFE!! totally stumbled on this by accident after watching a MetalJesusRocks video on the NT! Subbed!
Wow - What a superb video yet again. You guys go into so much detail about the products review and this video is no exception! It's really enticing me to purchase a Super NT but it may just have to wait for now.
Dope review. This looks like a great bit of hardware.
This was a nice conclusion to my marathon of Super Nt reviews that began with MJR. I eagerly await the arrival of my October pre-order. I hope it's jailbroken eventually, or at least Game Genie codes can be put on it.
This video is so well done. I've watched it many times , I understand more each time.
Dudes a genius. Thank you for your hard work. Thanks to My Life in Gaming for featuring this great man.
I cannot wait for this bad boy to arrive on my doorstep. Awesome video as always guys.
This is amazing! Need it! Hope he makes a sega multi console next, please :)
This is one of the greatest reviews on hardware I’ve ever seen.
What an amazing system by Analogue! The array of options and features are outstanding.
If only you could buy one for under $600 😭😭
Can we get a spreadsheet of the settings that you guys recommend? That would be greatly appreciated.
Whats the chances of Analogue releasing a Light NES Nt system with just HDMI at a price point similar to the Super Nt??
Hopefully after the runaway success of the Super NT I'd imagine. I'd buy it for sure.
I believe they told polygon they'd rather do more systems then look back, hinting at the possibility of an FPGA genesis :/
That would be quite the popular endeavor. With a mission to effectively archive by bettering past hardware and be faithful to all retro systems at the same time is a great service and one of the best things to happen to gaming. Is there an award we can nominate these guys for?
BlockABoots ...they won't make one, because it already exists. www.retrorgb.com/nesavs.html
A device like that kinda exists already, its called the RetroUSB AVS.
You guys go into more detail than anyone else! I love your content!
Fantastic!! mine will arrive Friday so thanks for the heads up for setting up optimal resolutions
I would like to see them do something like this with the original NT. Make an HDMI only solution for a cheaper cost.
+spidercolt [Try4ce] I totally agree. Super Nt is a far more approachable system and that's a big part of what I like about it. I much prefer this new direction.
My Life in Gaming I believe Analogue told Polygon theyd rather do more systems hinting at the possibility of an FPGA Genesis
IAN 63 1/3 That would be awesome. Genesis is the only thing I don’t have a solution for, I don’t see a point in buying a framemeister or OSSC for one system. Lol
I hope they do a Genesis (with Sega CD and 32X support, but I'll take what I can get), PC-Engine (with CD support), Neo Geo (CD lol), PSOne, Saturn, and maybe Nintendo 64 eventually? But with the HDMI solutions for the N64 its not really that important anymore, at least in my opinion.
Try RetroUSB's AVS, an FPGA NES console. It's awesome.
This is awesome, I hope the day we can se a new nt mini and super nt versions at $100 or less, That day this thigs will be for me but until then Im really glad you guys make great videos like this about it. That machine looks fucking great omg.
Great video guys, been waiting for this one and it did not disappoint!
Amazing video! And thank you for actually giving us some scaler settings to play with when we get out copies.
My subscription feed has 5 analogue nt reviews in just 5 minutes O.O!
I like your profile picture. The Great Mouse Detective, is almost a hidden gem. It's a classic Disney film. I'm glad my Dad bought me the VHS of it, back in the day.
I agree. I got the vhs from my parents too.
1:44 What's that game in the back?
Edit: Oh, that's Equinox, aka Solstice II.
Great video! I have a Super Famicom hooked up to a 14" PVM over RGB in my office, but your review here convinced me to order a Super NT for the living room. It arrived today and, after applying your recommended settings, it looks absolutely amazing!!!!
Dang,bless MLiG for this:This is the most throrough and informative review on the system
I also really appreciate the fact that you guys managed to get an interview! Splicing it with each point was a really nice touch
The Super NT looks like a really good investment with all of the added features and fixes,and thankfully they managed to drop the price quite a bit 😅
All those scaling features do make me happy.
Though I'm curious about PAL support now.
Based on my own measurements, the NTSC machine has a 7: 6 pixel aspect ratio, while the PAL system has 25: 18 instead, which is quite dramatically different. (once you adjust for the screen being 4: 3, the NTSC ends up with the 8: 7 aspect listed, while the PAL system ends up with the equivalent of a 24: 25 aspect ratio. Multiply the pixel aspect by this screen aspect ratio and you should get 4:3 as the outcome) Is this accounted for if you switch to PAL mode? Not that it truly matters, given all the custom options, but still...
Would be nice to know it's accounted for...
+KuraIthys [Try4ce] PAL carts do not display at an aspect any different from NTSC carts, which I assume most people would consider a plus. The art was designed for 240p and not 288p, so PAL squish is not a thing here... unless of course you wanted to dial in a custom aspect that DID squish it, which is totally possible. But the game resolution is not displayed any differently by the Super Nt.
Where's the Analogue Ultra (N64)
The first review I watch for this system is the MLIG video :) Awesome work as always guys! I picked up a Super Famicom not too long ago and now I wish I waited. Nevermind, it still looks good and I plan to pick up a Super NT at some point too :)
I bought my Super NT because of this video. Just got it today and I love it! Thank you for the wonderful work you guys do. All of your videos are top notch!
Was watching some bs video then MLiG uploaded happy days :)
LOL my thoughts exactly..... whole lotta garbage out there. MLiG is life.
I’m curious to see a comparison with an original SNES output with SCART RGB VS the Super NT
50 Cent agreed. I was hoping this video would cover that.
Excellent video Try & Coury, you guys absolutely kick ass. My all time favorite gaming channel!
Heads up for anyone just watching this:
SuperNT and Mega SG is up for preorder, this is the last batch so if you want it for non-scalper prices this is your best bet
Yes a new video! Can't wait to hear your guys thoughts on this. :D
Gawd I want one of these bad now. Is there a distributor for the UK? Or will Analogue ship it here?
I've seena few people saying they'd love a Mega Drive one of these. It really feels like there isn't a good similar solution for Mega Drive especially when it comes to accuracy of behaving like the original console.
I'd definitely love to see a Mega Drive version. With how much of the original hardware is plagued by vertical lines or audio issues, and of course garbage clone consoles, an FPGA at the best quality possible would be excellent.
Looked at shipping to Australia - $80!
Miles Hayler Blimey. UK shipping would probably be similar. I'll have a check later.
Interesting thing is that : if Kevtris ever attacks the 68000, that means a Sharp X68000 FPGA could also become feasible ^_^ hey one can dream! :P
Yep it's a shame they don't have different shipping options, I had it in the cart ready pre-order until I saw that.
Best video yet guys, keep up the great work. More interviews, please :)
Kudos for this guy for believing in him self and his dream.
And thank to MLG for being a retro game fan!
if they make a movie about kevtris, they have to get david cross to play him.
Can we get a Mega Drive one of these? :P
The owner of Analogue strongly hinted at that.
Mega NT would be a dream.
Yeah I wouldn't mind an Analogue Mega NT
The Analogue SG
yea that would be awesome
Awesome video guys. Probably the best episode so far. Please do more of these interviews with people like Tim Worthington or retro_console_acessories. Would love to see it.
Thanks guys. Love your videos. Wife has ordered the Super Nt for my birthday. Happy days
The retro community will continue to grow with guys like Kevtris. No time for emulation!
Emulation is still important since anyone can download an emulator for free.
Emulation is great for games only available in arcade cabinet's.
I love you guys
Wow, excellent video guys! I’m pumped for the Super NT and can’t wait to play my childhood copy of Chrono Trigger and others on this system!
that intro and end music makes me cry! great videos guys, thanks!
Nt64. One can dream!
Let's see Genesis/Sega CD and Turbografx-16/TGCD first.
I think it'll be a long while before we get to the N64. Maybe Kevtris' kids can do that one...
Wonder if there are any displays that would output 60.09Hz over HDMI, and if so, if Kevin could implement an option to attempt to force it on your display.
[Try4ce] When using the OSSC, it outputs the same refresh that it takes in, over HDMI. That means SNES and NES are 60.08, which indeed causes a ton of compatibility issues. However many TVs do accept it.
Is that so? Awesome. Thanks for the response! And wonder if it's something that could easily be implemented by Kevin without too much hassle. He is awful busy these days. I just checked the OSSC compatibility list on videogameperfection.com and my display seems to support SNES output.
I would think the new HDMI spec with a HFR display supporting VRR would allow this. Of course this may require a new HDMI chip. What version of HDMI is in the Super Nt?
I would say syncing displays to the frame rates of the consoles should be on the most wanted new features list. Said consumer displays should be hitting the market this year.
I love the Equinox feed that keeps showing in the background monitor!
I like how as soon as kevtris talks about how fast he made the super nt, f-zero music kicks in. you do good work
Thanks for being objective and not just drooling all over the supernt like other "reviewers." And stellar editing as always.
Forty Bounce they can be objective in their world of console mods and framemeisters. In the poor mans world over here the super nt is worth said drool.
Jeff Bays that makes no sense
I bought the black one. It is a great product.
Love how the N64 captures look at the end. I still haven't been able to get that soft yet vibrant look with an emulator.
[Try4ce] That is with the Ultra HDMI mod for N64.
Buying one of these as soon as possible. My SNES and CRT won't last forever. Love your videos by the way. Never knew that much about picture quality and how to fix it before I started watching you guys.