@@babyjesus454 Yeah, that's the whole point. So not only did Jon keep his Rec Sage copy, he kept his Psychosis Crawler the next go-round and had it up for a blocker. And then he keeps Memnarch the turn after that lol. Lord.
It's not cheat from the way stephen played that day you can be sure he was confused ... otherwise he would not chain activate golos on opponent's turn (i don't think he has lots of useful instants in this situation) when he can't play the cards, or that same turn, activate it twice before taking any decision about what land you play and the order :) though risen reef makes lands enter tapped Forgot to double the triggers of golos and bojuka bog and omnath land triggers too, gitrog upkeep trigger When he dispaced golos he could chose to put it into his command zone to play it one more time to get the 4 times cast point
@@FirstnameLastname-ok1yz yeah this was my deck. The only way you can cast golos spells as instants is with leyline, orrery, or alchemist's refuge. I didn't know ahead of time he was playing it, or I'd have given him a short primer for it
(Kyle) We hope everyone enjoyed the final episode of Season 16! The decklists for this episode can be found in the description of the video or you can just click here: www.starcitygames.com/articles/39069_Fan-Requests.html
When I click to view the decklists, it says the link is error 404 and cannot be found. Im just wanting to look at the decks to get more of an idea on all the decks used. If there is a better link to be used, please reply to this. Thank you!
I for one welcome our new evil bearded overlord Jeremy Noell!! Think about it?! If he was as over powered and omnipotent when he had some scruffy beard think about what he could accomplish with a wizard beard?!?! I think world leaders are now conveying a secret emergency meeting on how to handle this emerging threat. Somebody call Bill Pullman because Justin, John, and Stephen need an Independence Day style speech to help them fight this threat!!
Shawn Austin From Gatherer for Golos: "Golos’s last ability doesn’t change when you can play the exiled cards. For example, if you exile a sorcery card, you can cast it only during your main phase when the stack is empty. If you exile a land card, you can play it only during your main phase and only if you have an available land play remaining."
@@shawnaustin1037 If it says you "may cast them this turn", timing restrictions apply. This can be remembered by the card not demanding a decision about the spells immediately. If a card lets you "play" the revealed cards (like Golos), that also includes lands, and will almost always mean timing restrictions on the cards remain (since playing lands is sorcery speed). If a card tells you "you may cast" some cards, you must put them on the stack as part of the resolution of the effect so instructing, which necessarily allows you to circumvent timing restrictions. For an interesting case study, compare Golos's activated ability to the effect of Aminatou's Augury. One lets you play lands because it says "until end of turn you may *play*", while the other lets you play a land because it says to put a land on the battlefield (and also "cast" some spells, which is only possible while in the middle of resolving a spell if there are no timing restrictions).
Want to add in my suggestion for determining tiebreakers. The person with the most season wins gets first place, and if there is still a tie then it is just a tied season. Thanks for listening.
Final scores for season 16 Justin: 23 John: 23 Stephen: 24 Jeremy: 24 John had 24 for starting at 22 and coming in 3rd. But he spent 40 seconds searching for a 6 drop. Jeremy gained no points for coming in last and not casting his commander. Stephen squandered a sole first place victory by going from 19 to 24 and missing his 6th point from not casting his commander a 4th time from the command zone. And John’s comment about Stephen winning the first few games cracked me up considering John won the first 4 games with combo deck wins.
I enjoyed watching Stephen murder everyone just to tie it up in the end when he had *every opportunity* to break the tie throughout his hour-long reign.
Well, this was my deck, but I've already started making adjustments to it because it has some issues (and has never been as good as it was in this game, even though Stephen played it pretty un-optimally). I guess PM me if you want suggestions
@@ruhrohraggy1313 Private messaging is going away on Wednesday, so I figured I'd just reply here. I just built basically the same list as played here with a few changes to the mana base for budget reasons. Here's my current list if you wanna make any suggestions! tappedout.net/mtg-decks/golos-tireless-pilgrim-tuned-edh/?cb=1568663870
Why do Stephen keep using Golos ability on other people's turns? He has literally 3 Instants in his whole deck, and 2 of them were already in his library. Is he just digging for Congregation at Dawn for some reason, or is there some benefit to exiling his own cards that I'm just not seeing??
They need someone in the studio who really knows the rules. Director Kyle has to keep track of so many other things he can't do that on his own. Commander Clash is often even more casual than Commander VS but they have MTGO do the rules for them. There has to be some solution because Jon surely would have been dead very early and it's not the first time a game is decided by rules mistakes.
Maddening Imps ruling ignores its own card text. "If able" implies creatures that are tapped, and creatures with summoning sickness wont be affected by the ability, because they are NOT able to attack, and yet it still destroys them and ignores its own card text? What a stupid card.
I agree that it is stupid, but the ruling and rules text *are* in agreement. When the second line of text says "each of those creatures", it is referring to the "Non-Wall creatures the active player control[led]" when the ability resolved. The fact that those creatures must attack this turn "if able" is not part of the text defining the set of creatures the ability affects, but is rather using a term of art ("must attack...if able") that is used to explain that the creatures cannot fail be declared as an attacker if such declaration would be legal within the rules. The counterplay to the imp killing your summoning sick creatures is just to cast creatures in the post-combat main phase. The imp killing mana dorks and creatures with tap abilities is the card working as intended. The text you are referring to is somewhat ambiguous in English, but is entirely unambiguous in Magic-ese.
Pretty sure Stephen is winning the season. Jeremy losses 1 point and got last so stays at 24, Stephen won +4 plus first blood +1 to 25. Justin goes to 23 and John to 24. Grats Stephen, go team Green!
All the misplay surrounding that imp is really stressing me out. That thing could not be removed soon enough for my liking. Edit: even pulling up the rulings didn't set things right!
Stephen should get 6 points because he definitely could have recast his general for a 4th time..... and if he did that then he'll tie Jeremy in points for the season...
Come on Stephen... you had roughly a million mana and you sacrificed a Command Beacon instead of casting your general for a 4th time. No more potential first place for you :( #TeamGreen
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The Izzet deck that Stephen Green was talking about at around 6:20 is my friend Ben’s Jori En deck. I’m the mono-white Oloro player, lol.
What's your deck tech like?
Ya I would love to know the deck tech as well. I've been looking for some inspiration on Oloro decks and a mono-white sounds fun.
Love to see season finale with #TeamGreen globetrotting in my favorite archetype.
BS cause of the difference in power levels of the decks
Yea that is unfortunate since maddening imp was in the deck tech. It happens though.
"Desperation... my favorite smell." - Justin Parnell
"How big is your Multani?"
"Yes."
01:05:21
If a creature can’t attack because of some restriction, or because it is tapped, it is destroyed at the end of the turn. See rule 302.6 for more fun.
So it kills all creatures with summoning sickness? Seems good.
@@babyjesus454 Yeah, that's the whole point. So not only did Jon keep his Rec Sage copy, he kept his Psychosis Crawler the next go-round and had it up for a blocker.
And then he keeps Memnarch the turn after that lol. Lord.
@@babyjesus454 Yes. The way to play around it is to play all your creatures during your 2nd main phase.
@@taschneide oh duh. I didn't even think of that. That makes it way more balanced. Seemed super op at first.
The wording on the card is pretty straightforward. Not sure how all of them missed it.
Game starts 14:20
Omg thank u
It aint much. But its an honest living
Omg Jeremy evolved again now he's ultimate bearded jeremy
Rikus Heart super saiyan bearded jeremy
@@Eclipse8502 lol yes!!
John had a +40 sec search
Yeah but they don't care bc it's not Stephen. I really hate Justin and Jon. They're like a little possé.
Oh hell yes, the return of ZACAMA!
Where? I saw no Zacama this game.
No zacama this game =(
@50:33, "Return all land cards from your graveyard to the battlefield tapped." I call cheats. ;-)
You almost caught it in time. ;-)
It's not cheat from the way stephen played that day you can be sure he was confused ... otherwise he would not chain activate golos on opponent's turn (i don't think he has lots of useful instants in this situation) when he can't play the cards, or that same turn, activate it twice before taking any decision about what land you play and the order :)
though risen reef makes lands enter tapped
Forgot to double the triggers of golos and bojuka bog and omnath land triggers too, gitrog upkeep trigger
When he dispaced golos he could chose to put it into his command zone to play it one more time to get the 4 times cast point
@@FirstnameLastname-ok1yz yeah this was my deck. The only way you can cast golos spells as instants is with leyline, orrery, or alchemist's refuge. I didn't know ahead of time he was playing it, or I'd have given him a short primer for it
@@ruhrohraggy1313
Lmfao stfu kid, this isn't "your" deck you sad little muppet.
@@ec-pc3122 I never comment on TH-cam but I just couldn’t resist - it’s LITERALLY his deck.
14:35 Actually starts the game ; )
(Kyle) We hope everyone enjoyed the final episode of Season 16! The decklists for this episode can be found in the description of the video or you can just click here: www.starcitygames.com/articles/39069_Fan-Requests.html
23:26 Maddening Imp would have killed the tapped Myr as well as the phyrexian metamorph
love seeing #teamGreen rock the entire game the whole time.
are any of you guys gunna make it to command fest chicago?
“This isn’t even my final form” -Bearded Jeremy
Stephen missed quite a few yarok triggers with kozalek and field of the dead and golos entering
kozalek is a cast trigger
@@NEFARIOUS-D I just accepted that the card he was referencing lol
Is there a way to see all of the cards in the decks they have
Great work, guys! see you next season
Ohh man what a blowout those golos activations daaaaayum
What card did Justin flip when Steven casted villainous wealth??
Splendid Reclemation brings back the lands tapped dude.
They did come in tapped?
Great season guys. Thanks for the laughs.
Love the Packers shirt
When I click to view the decklists, it says the link is error 404 and cannot be found. Im just wanting to look at the decks to get more of an idea on all the decks used. If there is a better link to be used, please reply to this. Thank you!
"Ground-Clog Brothers." Brand new Indie artist for you!
Field of the dead is a stupid card, who would have thought
Jeremy did the world's fastest shave...
17 seconds into the video and you already have my thumbs up.
1:22:00 Unless you can replay a Cabal Coffers and make *even more* mana
Stevens deck needed cascading cataracts.
I for one welcome our new evil bearded overlord Jeremy Noell!! Think about it?! If he was as over powered and omnipotent when he had some scruffy beard think about what he could accomplish with a wizard beard?!?! I think world leaders are now conveying a secret emergency meeting on how to handle this emerging threat. Somebody call Bill Pullman because Justin, John, and Stephen need an Independence Day style speech to help them fight this threat!!
Happy to see Steven win 🎉
Is there any way you guys can add a turn counter somewhere. It would be cool to see what happens on what turn if you lose track
I don't know why I always forget Justin is a Green Bay fan. But Jeremy is my favorite. #GoPackGo #ZACAMA!!!
nice choice of decks, I like the part where one deck was simply way better than the other 3.
And he got so many of the good cards in the good order ... was nice.
I definitely see this as being a lucky draw, not a significantly more powerful deck.
Risen reef lands enters play tapped btw
Jesus, Stephen brought a minigun to a water balloon fight.
even activating golos on other people's turns u can still cast the creatures/sorceries if I'm not mistaken.
Shawn Austin From Gatherer for Golos:
"Golos’s last ability doesn’t change when you can play the exiled cards. For example, if you exile a sorcery card, you can cast it only during your main phase when the stack is empty. If you exile a land card, you can play it only during your main phase and only if you have an available land play remaining."
@@shanebielko8556 Makes sense. Kinda annoying when they make cards that allow it and cards that don't. Oh well thx for the exact info.
@@shawnaustin1037 If it says you "may cast them this turn", timing restrictions apply. This can be remembered by the card not demanding a decision about the spells immediately. If a card lets you "play" the revealed cards (like Golos), that also includes lands, and will almost always mean timing restrictions on the cards remain (since playing lands is sorcery speed). If a card tells you "you may cast" some cards, you must put them on the stack as part of the resolution of the effect so instructing, which necessarily allows you to circumvent timing restrictions.
For an interesting case study, compare Golos's activated ability to the effect of Aminatou's Augury. One lets you play lands because it says "until end of turn you may *play*", while the other lets you play a land because it says to put a land on the battlefield (and also "cast" some spells, which is only possible while in the middle of resolving a spell if there are no timing restrictions).
Want to add in my suggestion for determining tiebreakers. The person with the most season wins gets first place, and if there is still a tie then it is just a tied season. Thanks for listening.
Bearded Jeremy has gone Super Saiyan
when Jeremy exiled all creatures why didn't Stephen blink his with his displacer
Final score N-24, G-24, P-22, S-22.
Turn 1 exploration, the mother of all ramps (unless they unban fastbond)
What was that first card Justin flipped to villainous wealth
Kozleck entertains what can we say xD
Imp also kills summon sick stuff, so better cast your creatures AFTER combat
So if I'm right Jeremy and Stephen are tied now? Like if Stephen HAD just casted Golos from the command zone he would've won the season? Am I right?
I keep wanting to make a Zacama deck, and this is just another push to do it.
Do it! I love mine.
Illianor123 only issue is you get hated out a lot because Zacama is big and scary
Yessss the Brandon deck!!!!
Such a fun episode!
That bolt shirt!
Final scores for season 16
Justin: 23
John: 23
Stephen: 24
Jeremy: 24
John had 24 for starting at 22 and coming in 3rd. But he spent 40 seconds searching for a 6 drop.
Jeremy gained no points for coming in last and not casting his commander.
Stephen squandered a sole first place victory by going from 19 to 24 and missing his 6th point from not casting his commander a 4th time from the command zone.
And John’s comment about Stephen winning the first few games cracked me up considering John won the first 4 games with combo deck wins.
Jeremy loses a point for not casting his commander
Joe Robertson but Jeremy also gained a point for coming in last. So it’s a net zero gain.
That's right. For some reason I was thinking that last place got 0.
Wooo that guy thanking you for the out of shout #teamgreenguy4444life
Steven not every smart though you always target the blue player
Should of got two lands when yarok was on the field lol
Thank for the great content, gentlemen! For anybody who could please answer: how long between seasons of this show? Thank you! :)
What were those "Miss Rhode island" comments about?
how i find the deck list "Rakdos"?
Literally impossible to find. Good luck
It’s listed on the SCG Twitter
Justin at 1:02:00 lmaoooooo
Someone should play Marisi, Breaker of the Coil!
Stephen over tapped the turn Jeremy died, eye of ugin was out.
He also missed double Golos double zombieland triggers from Yarok xD
They should rename the grand canyon, "God's Maw"
Is that a new zombie token?
Ola Hansson that’s the star city games token
Ola Hansson it’s Justin
@@peewee130946 Oh I know that, just curious if it was a new one of theirs. I should been more specific?
I enjoyed watching Stephen murder everyone just to tie it up in the end when he had *every opportunity* to break the tie throughout his hour-long reign.
How convenient that I've just started brewing Golos 🤔
Well, this was my deck, but I've already started making adjustments to it because it has some issues (and has never been as good as it was in this game, even though Stephen played it pretty un-optimally). I guess PM me if you want suggestions
@@ruhrohraggy1313 Private messaging is going away on Wednesday, so I figured I'd just reply here. I just built basically the same list as played here with a few changes to the mana base for budget reasons. Here's my current list if you wanna make any suggestions! tappedout.net/mtg-decks/golos-tireless-pilgrim-tuned-edh/?cb=1568663870
#TeamPadeem!
#TEAMGREEN
Why do Stephen keep using Golos ability on other people's turns?
He has literally 3 Instants in his whole deck, and 2 of them were already in his library. Is he just digging for Congregation at Dawn for some reason, or is there some benefit to exiling his own cards that I'm just not seeing??
#TeamGreen
They need someone in the studio who really knows the rules. Director Kyle has to keep track of so many other things he can't do that on his own. Commander Clash is often even more casual than Commander VS but they have MTGO do the rules for them. There has to be some solution because Jon surely would have been dead very early and it's not the first time a game is decided by rules mistakes.
But not knowing how to play Magic is core to the spirit of Commander!
Maddening Imps ruling ignores its own card text. "If able" implies creatures that are tapped, and creatures with summoning sickness wont be affected by the ability, because they are NOT able to attack, and yet it still destroys them and ignores its own card text? What a stupid card.
I agree that it is stupid, but the ruling and rules text *are* in agreement. When the second line of text says "each of those creatures", it is referring to the "Non-Wall creatures the active player control[led]" when the ability resolved. The fact that those creatures must attack this turn "if able" is not part of the text defining the set of creatures the ability affects, but is rather using a term of art ("must attack...if able") that is used to explain that the creatures cannot fail be declared as an attacker if such declaration would be legal within the rules.
The counterplay to the imp killing your summoning sick creatures is just to cast creatures in the post-combat main phase. The imp killing mana dorks and creatures with tap abilities is the card working as intended.
The text you are referring to is somewhat ambiguous in English, but is entirely unambiguous in Magic-ese.
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GOLOS SHOULD HAVE BEEN A "MAZE RUNNER"
#handsizetribal
Stephen has no idea how to pilot that deck lol
#cuptribal
man jeremy sure aged in his time away.....also who reads cards anyways :P
Treasure Mage searches for an artifact with CMC 6 or less. Memnarch is 7.
6 or more
Pretty sure Stephen is winning the season. Jeremy losses 1 point and got last so stays at 24, Stephen won +4 plus first blood +1 to 25. Justin goes to 23 and John to 24.
Grats Stephen, go team Green!
All the misplay surrounding that imp is really stressing me out. That thing could not be removed soon enough for my liking.
Edit: even pulling up the rulings didn't set things right!
Why in the name of all that is holy NO ONE plays Life Gift from kamigawa in EVERY lands deck?
Stephen should get 6 points because he definitely could have recast his general for a 4th time..... and if he did that then he'll tie Jeremy in points for the season...
Come on Stephen... you had roughly a million mana and you sacrificed a Command Beacon instead of casting your general for a 4th time. No more potential first place for you :( #TeamGreen
I downvoted my own comment because I did not wait for the post game rant to hear them address this issue... xD