that is sweet. You know how it feels.... I am on an old Scott hybrid with tires thicker than my wrist. It accelerates like a WWII tank. Cam - time for you to put on a weight vest or a backpack full of sand. It's serious stimulus!
@AG Coarseman - Nah, just really good group dynamics. ;) Seven hundred participants this year on the Olympic National Park "Ride the Ridge" ride. Takes off from the Port Angeles WA college and ascends to the top of Hurricane Ridge. (Glass-smooth pavement so the descent is a blast.)
@AG Coarseman- Weird. I see your last reply in my inbox but can't find it in this thread. Anyway, thanks for the compliment but like I said, there were 700 entrants and most made it all the way up - some on massively heavy touring bikes with packs. I'm 59 and no powerhouse and had to often drop to a 1 to 1 ratio and struggled to maintain 5 mph. Took me 3 hours and had to stop 4 or 5 times just to let my legs recover. But yes, being part of such a large group, with all the encouragement that offers, made it possible. Otherwise I would probably have turned around at the 3 mile mark and said to hell with this! ;) (Which I've done previously.)
ya mate, heavy training bikes evoke the same sentiment from me as setting out on a long ride straight into a nasty headwind- "builds character", and "pain is relative"!! cheers!
Don't you reckon it's always better to do your intervals into a headwind or on a slight incline tho? I reckon learning to embrace them has benefits :-)
@@cyc00000 yes indeed, that's exactly what i've been doing for nearly 50 years! i've been blessed with a 1 mile long 3% grade hill that nearly always has a headwind coming off the ocean. it has always been my favorite interval spot- but i still don't like it!!!! cheers!
That with the tyres is not true. If you train by power watts are watts. You just change your speed. For sure its something psychological maybe but as I said watts are watts.
What he is trying to explain is that more resistance asks for a higher wattage to get the momentum you need. Try a 10 sec max efford on flat vs 10 sec max efford on climb. You’ll end up with a higher max wattage on the climb, same idea. So putting that extra resistance in means you have to work just a bit harder to get up to speed.
@@gijsieboyo But again, if you're training to watts, it doesn't matter what speed you're going or how long it takes you to get there, it matters how hard you push the pedals. 500 watts on a light aero bike might equal 40km/h, but doing the same 500 watts on a heavy bike might make you go 30-35km/h. That doesn't mean one will make you stronger, since you push 500 watts in each.
Josh Tipton watts are wats indeed, the benefit is only in the short moments of getting up to speed, these moments you are not looking at your power output, once you are up to speed you go and ride on your wanted power so there is no benefit anymore. But there is some benefit, it may be small but there sure is. As an example on my roadbike i ride an average of 425 watts in the 30 seconds after sprinting up to speed from a traffic light and settling for 250 after 30 seconds. Om my mtb i average 500+ watts in the first 30 seconds and then again sit down for 250 watts. This is mainly because of the friction. Not pure science but it is a constant patern in my power data road vs mtb.
Funny my training bike (hybrid) weighs 14.5 kg and my 'light' bike weighs 9.8 kg. The road bike feels like a feather by comparison. Someday I hope to ride a bike in the 7kg range. I can't imagine how that feels.
With cages bottles garmin mount peddles. Filled spares bag, front light rear light , heavy tires. GTFO. Are you trying to lose authenticity? We all can lol up frame as specced weight..... 8.25 kg.medium.
It’s not so much about the Allez by itself. It’s training with heavy wheels, tyres, and two full drink bottles. It all adds up to making training harder. Cheers, Cam
Hahahaha....i think he needs train more hard. 😎😎. I have ah Allez Sprint Comp 2017. I am not a very good cyclist but sometimes i can ride side by side with cyclists with top carbon bike. Simple.
Your Allez Sprint was weighed with all your gear. Thankfully, the shop owner pointed that out to you. Not a fair assessment compared with the gravel bike. Aluminum bikes are meant for strong hard riders like myself. Absolutely nothing wrong having extra weight. Ultimately, one becomes stronger that is a goal we are working to attain. Weight weenies should stick to "soft supple bikes and Starbucks". Aluminum isn't meant for everybody, only for the few and the proud. 2017 Specialized Allez Sprint with Dura Ace Ultegra DI2 mix, Ritchey aluminum cockpit, and Dura Ace C60 carbon clincher aero wheel set. My set up is significantly heavier than your bike...no complaints here.
I’ve never really understood the logic of “training bike” and race bike. I’ve always taken the approach of training on the equipment you are going to race with, that way you know what to expect. Cam you should look into a great training tool called the AIRHub, Michael Freiberg invented it and it works!
The training bike is much like runners using ankle weights. The extra weight requires more effort, therefore more muscle build; and when you finally run without them, you feel like a rocket. Second reason is not putting all the miles on the expensive stuff (not to mention it's hard to beat the ride of a steely).
Mark - yeah I get all that but isn’t having 2 bikes just as expensive? 2nd bike still needs maintenance, would it not be more economical to just have say Ultegra finishing kit over Dura Ace and replace more often? I’m not rubbishing the training bike but having decent frameset with Ultegra and say 3 pairs of Prime BlackEdition wheels would be cheaper than maintaining a Race bike and a Training bike. If you are budget conscious, plus you’ll know the ins and outs of the limit of that bike.
I once owned an Atomic Covert alloy road bike. It is kinda similar to the Allez sprint when it comes to its appearance. Costs about 500 bucks, weighs around 12kg.
I had my bike weighed yesterday. It's a 2018 Spec Roubaix elite, all carbon 105 with dt Swiss rb370 alloy wheels 28c tyres. 9.85 kg, why so heavy! No bottles either
Umm... well if you ride with a power meter(you know... serious structured training) then why'd you care bout how heavy your bike is when you are training. You do your watts. Got an 8kg bike you go a certain speed at your watts. Got a 10kg bike you go a bit slower, still do your watts, still get your training output. Training with 'training wheels' is going to be even more outdated when discs truly take over due to no rim wear.
Yannick Okpara I found that my old 11kg bike was so much easier to build fitness because it actually forced me to use my muscles on the flats and even on slight downhills. When I upgraded to my current full carbon fiber bike, I was actually disappointed. The bike was too easy, in the beginning I would end rides feeling dis-satisfied due to not feeling like my legs got a work out. Granted I wasn’t doing Intervals, but even then I don’t feel like I stress my legs as much. This switch happened where previously my ability to ride the bike was based on leg strength, and now with a light bike power/distance is mostly determined by my fueling plan. Even when I ride intervals, I’m not ending the ride because my legs hurt but rather because my fuel is running out and being dehydrated is more painful. Another problem with a light training bike is that city rides are unpredictable, lots of stop an go’s, with a heavy bike the stops actually help train you, but when on a light bike they set you back because you are given time to rest and it makes it impossible to properly perform any sort of interval effort. Sure you could find a stretch of road ideal for intervals and repeat it every day but thats not only boring, but its not good for your muscles. For muscles to adapt they need a variety of stress, by doing the same thing everyday they stop adapting. Just mentally its not good, because you will subconsciously tailor your effort for what you know is coming. When you take detours you end up pushing yourself harder because you aren’t prepared for whats coming up. With that said I’d only recommend a training bike in the months where you aren’t racing. Due to handling and braking being different on a training bike.
Thats a decent weight if you are weighing it with 2 full bottles, pedals, gopro and saddle bag. Its killing you not so much because of the weight but rather the resistance from slow touring tires. Proper road tires like continentals have less than half the rolling resistance of the marathons
I followed you after the first vid and went the "heavy" bike version on my Giant TCR SL....but the best(heaviest) I could manage was 9.2kgs(+2.1kgs)....and that was after receiving the "raised eye-brow" treatment for asking for the heaviest 25mm tires they had in the shop at 99bikes. Schwalbe Durano Plus!! - have to admit my average ride wattage's are rising = stronger!!
i Always thought that the Specialized was your number one bike ! I'm surprise how heavy it is. My second bike is an Argon18 Krypton 2018 alloy, carbon fork and seat post and it is lighter than yours… Great training..way to go Cam, you will succeed !!...oh and by the way send that Younger daughter to the closest Comedy school..one day she will work at the Comedy club as a stand up comic ! She is hilarious ! ...Cheers from Montreal Québec !
haha, good idea mate. And the Allez has been my #1 crit bike, but not #1 for road racing. I need to get myself something actually! Was thinking the Chatper2 but probably prefer a carbon all-round race bike over aero. Cheers, Cam
Cam Nicholls sweet! Was looking between a allez elite or a tarmac not sure if I want carbon or AL. The elite would save some $. I guess I’ll just try them both and see what feels better!
My Allez Sprint Comp is 8.6 kg. Good bike. In my opinion...i would never spend $$$$$$$$ in a bike just for a few grams less. I prefer save money and train harder and beat the guys with expensive top brand bikes. Safe Ride to all. Have a good week.
The Allez is a great bike! As you would know, I use it myself for racing. It's the way I have pimped it up which is killing me. Thanks for sharing your experiences too mate. Cheers, Cam
How do you feel about someone getting the Allez sport for their first bike? I just wanna stay in that $1,000 range I think since its my first one, but wanna do endurance racing one day. Recommendations?
I took your advise and bought a pair of 25mm Marathon PLUS tires and without question it's slower wheel and tire. I ride Conti 5000 on carbon Lightweights wheels so the difference in "feel" is predictable. But, I think the gains should come with sustained efforts of 300 to 400 watts and with less muscle fatigue over the same km. 10% of aero drag comes directly from the wheel and tire rolling resistance. So, a slower, heavier wheel and tire will require more effort and torque to maintain power. It's really not that complicated or even debatable. Now, will I actually be a able to put out MORE POWER on carbon wheels and bike? My guess is probably not, and if so, it'll be because of specific and increased training done on the bike. But, honestly, I just think it's a cool idea and I think some people are missing the point specifically, about the tires. As opposed to just the weight of the bike or, even the wheel for that matter. But everything you said in the previous video on this was spot on. peace!
bro in your experience, how much flex does the rere have in comparison to other bikes you've tested? i got a rere but i have very little experience with road bikes, though i find the front of the bike has heaps of flex.
Hey Oschoa, there is definitely some flex at the front end. Many of the reviews online suggest this. Interesting I didn’t notice it overly, until I rode the Cervélo S5, then it came more to light. The benefit you receive though is a more comfortable ride. Your wheels could also be playing into the mix.
I ride an 08 allez elite and have continental gator skins so I've been making myself work and I didn't even know it!!! This bike is still so much lighter than my trek fx hybrid. Not competitive racer so maybe that's why it doesn't matter to much to me.
What science is behind the idea that ketones serve as an alternative energy source for intense workouts? From what I have read ketosis isn't a high energy mode.
You're right, ketosis isn't a high energy mode, but it produces ketones instead of carbohydrates. The theory behind these drinks is that they produce ketones WITHOUT having to go into ketosis. Now, you have extra fuel in addition to carbohydrates that you can burn at lower energy states. For example, if you've maxed out your carb intake (~100 grams/hour), but still want to go faster, you can take ketone supplements to get the energy you would from ketosis while still being in a state to burn 100 grams of carbs an hour. At least that's the idea.
@@joshtipton7417 The scientific studies I have seen don't support that idea. For example, the study described here (www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2017/10/171011091815.htm) states "artificially elevating blood ketone levels, similar to what happens naturally during periods of starvation, ...forces the body to rely on burning fat as a fuel...Burning fat is a more effective long-term fuel but is more complex to process and isn't as readily accessible for quick bursts of muscle activity as is a fuel like glucose. Elevated blood ketones seem to inhibit the body's use of glycogen, the stored form of glucose, and favours burning fat instead. That means that the body's quick-burning fuel cannot be accessed during high-intensity bursts of activity and athletic performance is dropping off as a result.
Glad you get to ride the Nationals. On your training bike. I reckon you have been spoilt riding these other bikes for the reviews you do. You must feel a mass difference.
Hey Cam - GREAT news = Masters Event back on !!!!, that massage tool has become so popular - a cyclist buddy says it's like "crack" (old street drug) - also being used by Pros who specialize in Stretch & massage sessions.........it is good. Entertaining & Educational as always
I dunno man, couldn't people just buy something like an AIRhub? (sarcasm for the slow) or maybe they could train to watts on their normal bike and get the same gains. Go out, do your 3 or 4 hours of intervals and end up with a normalised power of 300 or a bit more. Watts are watts, it doesn't make any difference if you have heavy wheels or slow tyers or a boat anchor frame. A watt is a watt, most people would see some serious gains if they stopped soft pedalling around in bunches while outputting a comatose level of power.
OMG Cam 11kilos, although you have to admit that you have had your moneys worth from your Allez without a doubt, Seriously thou, I'm going to try commuting on my heavier bike and work on the resistance as apposed to speed.
@@CamNicholls just wondering that bicycle shop you do business does he have website and if he does what's name that bicycle shop .I'm curious see what he has .
You should ride my bike... OK it’s 9kg but when I get on, MAN it’s heavy😉 Gravel bike purchased to ride more off road and use as Winter bike. 2020 season should be the all new older me on the bike😉
Geez that allez weighs a ton.. mostly because of those components. I getting an Allez 58cm rim brake and its spected out to weight around mid 16lbs. An Allez that heavy kills the performance of the bike honestly.
It wasnt your Allez Sprint that was killing you.... It was your heavy components and wheels. 105s components with those rims and tires will make any bike feel heavy.
@@CamNicholls I realized that you were speaking about your specific Allez Sprint build and not necessarily ALL Allez Sprints. I was thinking you were painting all Allez Sprints under that notion (due to the fact its aluminum)
Haha! You make a good point David but I must say the fatigue I experience these days after a high intensity workout is extreme! Especially having to run around after kids late afternoon. I just want to lie down
Hey David, unfortunately at this stage you need to use a company that allows you to enter a US address but it will ship to you. There a ton of redirect services out there. It does add some extra cost though.
@@CamNicholls the army used ketones 5 years ago and it was only on some efforts they where allowed to use them. And now in the peleton the riders can choose if they want them or not, and there followed up constantly to see if they are having benefits from ketones use. And there is no long term study's yet if ketones have downsides and what it does to you're body if you use it for and ex amount of time.
Yes you’re right, just not sure what doctor you could rely on for this. I am only using this very occasionally. Once a month kinda thing. But it’s worth me exploring, cheers 👍
You should try a light carbon bike then David. I love steel but for a race event, you’ll feel like someone’s giving you a push if you’ve been riding on a bike that weight! Cheers, Cam
I am a 58 year old japanese businessman. I have been riding and collecting road bikes since over 30 years. Just another clown that is trying to find excuses in a "too heavy" frame. What do you think a lighter frame will make you do? Safe off some seconds? Makes you work less hard? Excuses of wannabe pros. Alloy bikes are a good choice for beginners or generally for most people, Carbon bikes only do so much and are much easier to trash if you have no idea what you are doing. Get on the road and train, stop moving the mouth too much and move your legs. Get a powermeter, train in a smart way. I am using a Yonex these days, a luxury item. And I would still beat many of those wannabes with a much heavier alloy frame in my age. Find excuses in yourself and not a "heavy" frame, there are enough young people who can beat people with crazy expensive "lightweight" bikes. And why would someone messure the weight of the bike with full bottles on there? Every roadbike will get much heavier like that.
Back in 1989: entry-level mass-produced racing bike, 22.5" (57cm) 531 frame, 105 group- 9kg. Price new- around £500. That's about £1100 in 2019 money, for which price you would get an 8kg carbon bike, with a 105 group. Those 10kg+ "gravel" bikes must be aimed at the idiot end of the market.
Dude, my training bike is 14.5 kg. I do all my climbing on it. Love it.
14.5kgs! That is serious stuff. What is it Fred? Cam
My Miyata 610 weighs every bit of that. Just recently made an 18.5 mile climb with a 5000 foot altitude gain.
that is sweet. You know how it feels.... I am on an old Scott hybrid with tires thicker than my wrist. It accelerates like a WWII tank.
Cam - time for you to put on a weight vest or a backpack full of sand. It's serious stimulus!
@AG Coarseman - Nah, just really good group dynamics. ;) Seven hundred participants this year on the Olympic National Park "Ride the Ridge" ride. Takes off from the Port Angeles WA college and ascends to the top of Hurricane Ridge. (Glass-smooth pavement so the descent is a blast.)
@AG Coarseman- Weird. I see your last reply in my inbox but can't find it in this thread. Anyway, thanks for the compliment but like I said, there were 700 entrants and most made it all the way up - some on massively heavy touring bikes with packs. I'm 59 and no powerhouse and had to often drop to a 1 to 1 ratio and struggled to maintain 5 mph. Took me 3 hours and had to stop 4 or 5 times just to let my legs recover. But yes, being part of such a large group, with all the encouragement that offers, made it possible. Otherwise I would probably have turned around at the 3 mile mark and said to hell with this! ;) (Which I've done previously.)
When I commuted daily on a steel fixed track bike I could smoke weekend warriors in spandex all day long. Of course, now im the spandex warrior.
ya mate, heavy training bikes evoke the same sentiment from me as setting out on a long ride straight into a nasty headwind- "builds character", and "pain is relative"!! cheers!
Thanks for sharing mate and I like your sentiment re the headwind. Cheers, Cam
Don't you reckon it's always better to do your intervals into a headwind or on a slight incline tho? I reckon learning to embrace them has benefits :-)
@@cyc00000 yes indeed, that's exactly what i've been doing for nearly 50 years! i've been blessed with a 1 mile long 3% grade hill that nearly always has a headwind coming off the ocean. it has always been my favorite interval spot- but i still don't like it!!!! cheers!
My Boardman Comp is 11.3kg straight out the box. It’s my only bike and am still kicking ass on the roads.
Nice Max, thanks for sharing
And here I was complaining to myself about the 9.3kg of my Lynskey titanium gravel bike (with 33mm tyres)...
I think we all agree your wife is awesome :)
she even has a vibrator!
That with the tyres is not true. If you train by power watts are watts. You just change your speed. For sure its something psychological maybe but as I said watts are watts.
Watts are watts are watts.
What he is trying to explain is that more resistance asks for a higher wattage to get the momentum you need.
Try a 10 sec max efford on flat vs 10 sec max efford on climb. You’ll end up with a higher max wattage on the climb, same idea.
So putting that extra resistance in means you have to work just a bit harder to get up to speed.
@@gijsieboyo But again, if you're training to watts, it doesn't matter what speed you're going or how long it takes you to get there, it matters how hard you push the pedals. 500 watts on a light aero bike might equal 40km/h, but doing the same 500 watts on a heavy bike might make you go 30-35km/h. That doesn't mean one will make you stronger, since you push 500 watts in each.
Josh Tipton watts are wats indeed, the benefit is only in the short moments of getting up to speed, these moments you are not looking at your power output, once you are up to speed you go and ride on your wanted power so there is no benefit anymore. But there is some benefit, it may be small but there sure is. As an example on my roadbike i ride an average of 425 watts in the 30 seconds after sprinting up to speed from a traffic light and settling for 250 after 30 seconds. Om my mtb i average 500+ watts in the first 30 seconds and then again sit down for 250 watts. This is mainly because of the friction. Not pure science but it is a constant patern in my power data road vs mtb.
" Ageing athlete" ..... Love it. Like wine.... I'm getting t shirts printed and changing the name of my channel. Hope you don't mind.
Funny my training bike (hybrid) weighs 14.5 kg and my 'light' bike weighs 9.8 kg. The road bike feels like a feather by comparison. Someday I hope to ride a bike in the 7kg range. I can't imagine how that feels.
Ah come on Cam! I got dropped by a guy going up a hill riding an Allez Sprint, and he had a good 30-40 pounds on me 😂
With cages bottles garmin mount peddles. Filled spares bag, front light rear light , heavy tires. GTFO. Are you trying to lose authenticity? We all can lol up frame as specced weight..... 8.25 kg.medium.
It’s not so much about the Allez by itself. It’s training with heavy wheels, tyres, and two full drink bottles. It all adds up to making training harder. Cheers, Cam
@@CamNicholls training isn't any harder, just slower acceleration and climbing. Harder vs easier is up to you.
Hahahaha....i think he needs train more hard. 😎😎. I have ah Allez Sprint Comp 2017. I am not a very good cyclist but sometimes i can ride side by side with cyclists with top carbon bike. Simple.
Ketones at $33 a serving? That's certainly a luxury for most people and even good amount training.
Yes they’re expensive, the downside of these
Your Allez Sprint was weighed with all your gear. Thankfully, the shop owner pointed that out to you. Not a fair assessment compared with the gravel bike.
Aluminum bikes are meant for strong hard riders like myself. Absolutely nothing wrong having extra weight. Ultimately, one becomes stronger that is a goal we are working to attain.
Weight weenies should stick to "soft supple bikes and Starbucks". Aluminum isn't meant for everybody, only for the few and the proud.
2017 Specialized Allez Sprint with Dura Ace Ultegra DI2 mix, Ritchey aluminum cockpit, and Dura Ace C60 carbon clincher aero wheel set. My set up is significantly heavier than your bike...no complaints here.
Thanks for sharing
I’ve never really understood the logic of “training bike” and race bike. I’ve always taken the approach of training on the equipment you are going to race with, that way you know what to expect. Cam you should look into a great training tool called the AIRHub, Michael Freiberg invented it and it works!
Thanks Mitch. Yes I’ve used it before. A great training tool but I don’t have the 💴 at the moment unfortunately! Cheers, Cam
The training bike is much like runners using ankle weights. The extra weight requires more effort, therefore more muscle build; and when you finally run without them, you feel like a rocket. Second reason is not putting all the miles on the expensive stuff (not to mention it's hard to beat the ride of a steely).
Mark - yeah I get all that but isn’t having 2 bikes just as expensive? 2nd bike still needs maintenance, would it not be more economical to just have say Ultegra finishing kit over Dura Ace and replace more often? I’m not rubbishing the training bike but having decent frameset with Ultegra and say 3 pairs of Prime BlackEdition wheels would be cheaper than maintaining a Race bike and a Training bike. If you are budget conscious, plus you’ll know the ins and outs of the limit of that bike.
my gravel bike is a GT grade aluminium and it weighs 8.8kg, now either I've made some super weight savings or GT have made a super bike 😂
For maximum sprint gains, all sprint work should be done when fresh at the start of training blocks.
Thanks for sharing mate. I haven’t heard this before. I’ll research
Your parent's house is beautiful... Love the pool!😊😊
I once owned an Atomic Covert alloy road bike. It is kinda similar to the Allez sprint when it comes to its appearance. Costs about 500 bucks, weighs around 12kg.
good luck in your races!
Thank you Peter
I had my bike weighed yesterday. It's a 2018 Spec Roubaix elite, all carbon 105 with dt Swiss rb370 alloy wheels 28c tyres. 9.85 kg, why so heavy! No bottles either
Does it have that funky headset suspension?
@@puntoni yeah
@@tbrowniscool probably why it's "heavy"
Suspension is 200 grams I think.
What a beautiful bike!
Looking forward to you killing that Men's Masters Race!!! Can't wait for the race day vlog.
Cheers mate, Cam
Quality Cam👍🇦🇺
Cheers Bondi.
Umm... well if you ride with a power meter(you know... serious structured training) then why'd you care bout how heavy your bike is when you are training. You do your watts. Got an 8kg bike you go a certain speed at your watts. Got a 10kg bike you go a bit slower, still do your watts, still get your training output. Training with 'training wheels' is going to be even more outdated when discs truly take over due to no rim wear.
Yannick Okpara I found that my old 11kg bike was so much easier to build fitness because it actually forced me to use my muscles on the flats and even on slight downhills. When I upgraded to my current full carbon fiber bike, I was actually disappointed. The bike was too easy, in the beginning I would end rides feeling dis-satisfied due to not feeling like my legs got a work out. Granted I wasn’t doing Intervals, but even then I don’t feel like I stress my legs as much. This switch happened where previously my ability to ride the bike was based on leg strength, and now with a light bike power/distance is mostly determined by my fueling plan. Even when I ride intervals, I’m not ending the ride because my legs hurt but rather because my fuel is running out and being dehydrated is more painful.
Another problem with a light training bike is that city rides are unpredictable, lots of stop an go’s, with a heavy bike the stops actually help train you, but when on a light bike they set you back because you are given time to rest and it makes it impossible to properly perform any sort of interval effort. Sure you could find a stretch of road ideal for intervals and repeat it every day but thats not only boring, but its not good for your muscles. For muscles to adapt they need a variety of stress, by doing the same thing everyday they stop adapting. Just mentally its not good, because you will subconsciously tailor your effort for what you know is coming. When you take detours you end up pushing yourself harder because you aren’t prepared for whats coming up.
With that said I’d only recommend a training bike in the months where you aren’t racing. Due to handling and braking being different on a training bike.
Thats a decent weight if you are weighing it with 2 full bottles, pedals, gopro and saddle bag. Its killing you not so much because of the weight but rather the resistance from slow touring tires. Proper road tires like continentals have less than half the rolling resistance of the marathons
I followed you after the first vid and went the "heavy" bike version on my Giant TCR SL....but the best(heaviest) I could manage was 9.2kgs(+2.1kgs)....and that was after receiving the "raised eye-brow" treatment for asking for the heaviest 25mm tires they had in the shop at 99bikes. Schwalbe Durano Plus!! - have to admit my average ride wattage's are rising = stronger!!
Legend 👍 it takes the right mindset to get onboard. Wait until you put on your carbons and race tyres. You’ll be flying. Keep me posted Andrew
A caad 12 is lighter and more importantly behaves very nimble out of the saddle so feels even lighter out of the saddle. Try it if you can.
Thanks for sharing Ronit, I have been trying to get my hands on it for over a year!
i Always thought that the Specialized was your number one bike ! I'm surprise how heavy it is. My second bike is an Argon18 Krypton 2018 alloy, carbon fork and seat post and it is lighter than yours… Great training..way to go Cam, you will succeed !!...oh and by the way send that Younger daughter to the closest Comedy school..one day she will work at the Comedy club as a stand up comic ! She is hilarious ! ...Cheers from Montreal Québec !
haha, good idea mate. And the Allez has been my #1 crit bike, but not #1 for road racing. I need to get myself something actually! Was thinking the Chatper2 but probably prefer a carbon all-round race bike over aero. Cheers, Cam
go with Canyon...remember how it perform at the Tour the France..
did it say those bottles were full ?
ok..
I love that bike the color scheme is sick! What do you think about the allez elite?
Really good bike, but stiff and aggressive. Make sure you know that! Not a endurance machine that is for sure
Cam Nicholls sweet! Was looking between a allez elite or a tarmac not sure if I want carbon or AL. The elite would save some $. I guess I’ll just try them both and see what feels better!
Go heavy! Love it. Like your personal Anti-gravity chamber.
haha, a good way of putting it. I like it! Cam
My Allez Sprint Comp is 8.6 kg. Good bike. In my opinion...i would never spend $$$$$$$$ in a bike just for a few grams less. I prefer save money and train harder and beat the guys with expensive top brand bikes. Safe Ride to all. Have a good week.
The Allez is a great bike! As you would know, I use it myself for racing. It's the way I have pimped it up which is killing me. Thanks for sharing your experiences too mate. Cheers, Cam
I put bontrager aw 3 tire 28mm a lot more smoother but a bit heavy, but I used it for endurance riding, handing a little gravel road.
Nice one, thanks for sharing. Cam
Are you allowed to record your races in Australia? I know it's allowed most races in the US but rarely, if ever, in the UK.
Hey Jeff, yes. And you reminded me I needed to submit for the race so thank you!
@@CamNicholls excellent! Will we get to see race footage?
How do you feel about someone getting the Allez sport for their first bike? I just wanna stay in that $1,000 range I think since its my first one, but wanna do endurance racing one day. Recommendations?
Have a look into the CAAD13 also. Perhaps a little softer than the Allez
I took your advise and bought a pair of 25mm Marathon PLUS tires and without question it's slower wheel and tire. I ride Conti 5000 on carbon Lightweights wheels so the difference in "feel" is predictable. But, I think the gains should come with sustained efforts of 300 to 400 watts and with less muscle fatigue over the same km. 10% of aero drag comes directly from the wheel and tire rolling resistance. So, a slower, heavier wheel and tire will require more effort and torque to maintain power. It's really not that complicated or even debatable. Now, will I actually be a able to put out MORE POWER on carbon wheels and bike? My guess is probably not, and if so, it'll be because of specific and increased training done on the bike. But, honestly, I just think it's a cool idea and I think some people are missing the point specifically, about the tires. As opposed to just the weight of the bike or, even the wheel for that matter. But everything you said in the previous video on this was spot on. peace!
Thanks for sharing Adam and also great to hear you've jumped onto the beasts! Cam
Do you think a 54cm road bike is good for a 5’5 guy? Or is it too big?
too big, I would say.
bro in your experience, how much flex does the rere have in comparison to other bikes you've tested? i got a rere but i have very little experience with road bikes, though i find the front of the bike has heaps of flex.
Hey Oschoa, there is definitely some flex at the front end. Many of the reviews online suggest this. Interesting I didn’t notice it overly, until I rode the Cervélo S5, then it came more to light. The benefit you receive though is a more comfortable ride. Your wheels could also be playing into the mix.
@@CamNicholls sweet, thanks for the reply bro. i still like my rere, too. running zipp 303/404 nsw wheels.
I ride an 08 allez elite and have continental gator skins so I've been making myself work and I didn't even know it!!! This bike is still so much lighter than my trek fx hybrid. Not competitive racer so maybe that's why it doesn't matter to much to me.
Hey man, what song is that when you are presenting the bike? :)
Shazamed it, Hey Marjorie by Jon Mero if anyone else wonders!
Sorry for the late reply mate. Seems like you're onto it! Cam
Interesting to see the weight without bottles etc
water weighs in at 1mL = 1g... so 1L of water will be 1Kg.
That is correct.👍
Thanks for sharing
Had a hard time climbing with a bike once. Turned out the hub bearings - cone type were over-torqued.
Actually my allez sprint size 58 weight 7kg... Just do a decent build and this bike is awesome! And change this crap tires
Can you tall me who components ?
What science is behind the idea that ketones serve as an alternative energy source for intense workouts? From what I have read ketosis isn't a high energy mode.
You're right, ketosis isn't a high energy mode, but it produces ketones instead of carbohydrates. The theory behind these drinks is that they produce ketones WITHOUT having to go into ketosis. Now, you have extra fuel in addition to carbohydrates that you can burn at lower energy states. For example, if you've maxed out your carb intake (~100 grams/hour), but still want to go faster, you can take ketone supplements to get the energy you would from ketosis while still being in a state to burn 100 grams of carbs an hour. At least that's the idea.
@@joshtipton7417 The scientific studies I have seen don't support that idea. For example, the study described here (www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2017/10/171011091815.htm) states "artificially elevating blood ketone levels, similar to what happens naturally during periods of starvation, ...forces the body to rely on burning fat as a fuel...Burning fat is a more effective long-term fuel but is more complex to process and isn't as readily accessible for quick bursts of muscle activity as is a fuel like glucose.
Elevated blood ketones seem to inhibit the body's use of glycogen, the stored form of glucose, and favours burning fat instead. That means that the body's quick-burning fuel cannot be accessed during high-intensity bursts of activity and athletic performance is dropping off as a result.
I happened to get those wheels as that was the limit of my budget but they're really good tyres though
Hey Ram, they're actually a fantastic all-round wheel and incredibly durable. Put some nice tires on them and they're great. Cheers, Cam
@@CamNicholls thanks man
But watts are watts. If you put out the same on your other bike you’ll go faster 🤷♂️
What about riding with friends, bunch rides etc. You have to produce more/work harder. That is where it will get you Cam
How did you get that badass logo?
What is your saddle bag ?
Glad you get to ride the Nationals. On your training bike. I reckon you have been spoilt riding these other bikes for the reviews you do. You must feel a mass difference.
It certainly does mate. From the TIMEMACHINE to the Allez in the Noosa bunch was very noticeable! Cheers, Cam
Hey Cam - GREAT news = Masters Event back on !!!!, that massage tool has become so popular - a cyclist buddy says it's like "crack" (old street drug) - also being used by Pros who specialize in Stretch & massage sessions.........it is good. Entertaining & Educational as always
Cheers mate, yes. Very exciting to still be able to get there 👍
My bike is 8.3 KG, alloy frame, alloy Wheelset, GS 105 ... not bad for climbing
Absolutely! Good resistance. Cam
That house and pool is incredible. :)
I train on a 42 year old steel frame and wheels Schwinn with Walmart tires
So the others didnt have the kilo of water on etc .
I dunno man, couldn't people just buy something like an AIRhub? (sarcasm for the slow) or maybe they could train to watts on their normal bike and get the same gains. Go out, do your 3 or 4 hours of intervals and end up with a normalised power of 300 or a bit more. Watts are watts, it doesn't make any difference if you have heavy wheels or slow tyers or a boat anchor frame. A watt is a watt, most people would see some serious gains if they stopped soft pedalling around in bunches while outputting a comatose level of power.
I hear you but you need more watts to ride with mates or in the local bunch of heavy tyres
What frame sizeof Allez sprint would you recommend for height 177cm?
Probably the one below the 56
Good wt comparison. One with 2 water bottles,2 bottle cages,2 pedals,computer vs other with none of those things
Your tires and wheels don't matter. It's been proven that rotating weight don't have the same effect as a heavy frame.
OMG Cam 11kilos, although you have to admit that you have had your moneys worth from your Allez without a doubt, Seriously thou, I'm going to try commuting on my heavier bike and work on the resistance as apposed to speed.
Nice mate, let me know how it goes
Link to the massage thing please 😀
Haha!
Two full bottles? 1250ml is 1.25kg just the water.
Yes 100%. But how many people train with two full drink water bottles? Not many that I have personally seen. Cheers, Cam
He has some really nice bikes. Hkw does BMC compare to Colnago .
Can’t say mate, haven’t ridden Colnago
@@CamNicholls just wondering that bicycle shop you do business does he have website and if he does what's name that bicycle shop .I'm curious see what he has .
Hey cam, what bike will you ride in Masters?
Great question Paul. I need one! Currently working on it.
running schwalbe marathons...dam you mad man! they last forever but are heavy as fuck and feels like wood tires.
Hahaha! Well said, they are like wood!
You should ride my bike... OK it’s 9kg but when I get on, MAN it’s heavy😉 Gravel bike purchased to ride more off road and use as Winter bike. 2020 season should be the all new older me on the bike😉
Geez that allez weighs a ton.. mostly because of those components. I getting an Allez 58cm rim brake and its spected out to weight around mid 16lbs. An Allez that heavy kills the performance of the bike honestly.
I certainly added to it, to make it heavy for training!
@@CamNicholls I Road mine home this eve in 23 degree weather 🥶. I have the weight at 16.7Lbs with alloy wheels. Beast of a bike stiff and responsive.
It wasnt your Allez Sprint that was killing you.... It was your heavy components and wheels. 105s components with those rims and tires will make any bike feel heavy.
Correct!
@@CamNicholls I realized that you were speaking about your specific Allez Sprint build and not necessarily ALL Allez Sprints. I was thinking you were painting all Allez Sprints under that notion (due to the fact its aluminum)
I cannot relate to the weight due to the drink bottles....
Ageing athlete my arse hilarious you’re in your prime specially for endurance 🤪
Haha! You make a good point David but I must say the fatigue I experience these days after a high intensity workout is extreme! Especially having to run around after kids late afternoon. I just want to lie down
How old is he?
Come on admit it your missus is Hannah’s (CyclingMavens wife) identical twin.... well at least sister!
I have met Hannah, can’t say I see the similarities, outside of the hair!
I wish I had a road bike
Hi Cam, can you tell me me where you get the Ketone Ester supplements from in Aus all the links I find are in USA, thanks in advance David C.
Hey David, unfortunately at this stage you need to use a company that allows you to enter a US address but it will ship to you. There a ton of redirect services out there. It does add some extra cost though.
I thought my focus Cayo at 8.1 was heavy lol
Damn I love you bro & your wife is nice too. Giant TCR far cheaper & won’t kill you.
Cheers mate...I actually looked into one believe it or not. Advanced Pro. They didn't have my size! Cheers
Hope that you have a doctor looking out for you if you train with ketones.
Not at this stage. Why would you recommend that? Keen to hear. Cam
@@CamNicholls the army used ketones 5 years ago and it was only on some efforts they where allowed to use them. And now in the peleton the riders can choose if they want them or not, and there followed up constantly to see if they are having benefits from ketones use. And there is no long term study's yet if ketones have downsides and what it does to you're body if you use it for and ex amount of time.
Yes you’re right, just not sure what doctor you could rely on for this. I am only using this very occasionally. Once a month kinda thing. But it’s worth me exploring, cheers 👍
have you thought of going keto?
Yes, I have semi tried it. Not for me Harrison
It is funny how you pronaunce Schwalbe
I’m no good at it!
Cannondale caad12!
Yes, I need to try one!
Thats not a heavy bike my Bob Jackson steely weighs in at that. So to me thats normal. Love my steelys for ride.
You should try a light carbon bike then David. I love steel but for a race event, you’ll feel like someone’s giving you a push if you’ve been riding on a bike that weight! Cheers, Cam
Size 54😏!?
It’s a medium. The sizing is different on the Allez’s, bigger than a 54
I am a 58 year old japanese businessman. I have been riding and collecting road bikes since over 30 years.
Just another clown that is trying to find excuses in a "too heavy" frame.
What do you think a lighter frame will make you do? Safe off some seconds? Makes you work less hard? Excuses of wannabe pros.
Alloy bikes are a good choice for beginners or generally for most people, Carbon bikes only do so much and are much easier to trash if you have no idea what you are doing.
Get on the road and train, stop moving the mouth too much and move your legs. Get a powermeter, train in a smart way.
I am using a Yonex these days, a luxury item. And I would still beat many of those wannabes with a much heavier alloy frame in my age.
Find excuses in yourself and not a "heavy" frame, there are enough young people who can beat people with crazy expensive "lightweight" bikes.
And why would someone messure the weight of the bike with full bottles on there? Every roadbike will get much heavier like that.
Thank you for your wise words Hirohiko Nishikawa
You can also go Dutch/Belgian style(Van der Poel/Evenepoel) and ride people off your wheel ;) :P
More than my steel training bike with training tires!
Regimen, dude.
Back in 1989: entry-level mass-produced racing bike, 22.5" (57cm) 531 frame, 105 group- 9kg. Price new- around £500. That's about £1100 in 2019 money, for which price you would get an 8kg carbon bike, with a 105 group.
Those 10kg+ "gravel" bikes must be aimed at the idiot end of the market.
Aussie accent...wears NZ cap hehe
haha, I'm 1/2 kiwi thanks to mum! Cam
@@CamNicholls what a great mum 😁
Change for MTB, rsrsrsrs.