Spider-Man 3 (2007) Retrospective / Review
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- Spiderman 3 Retrospective / Review
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Thanks to Mathew Buck for the additional behind the scenes footage.
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Sam Raimi’s effort on this film is commendable, overall the trilogy is timeless.
@bigevilworldwide Afraid I have to agree with this. I still like these movies but they are definitely products of the 2000s.
@bigevilworldwide NO FUN ALLOWED
bigevilworldwide I highly disagree. Peter especially has a lot of character growth. Watching him trying to balance his life in #2 especially is timeless in my opinion. I love the first movie and the portrayal of uncle ben’s death. Peter’s conviction for revenge, then realizing vengeance turned him and Harry against each other. You are entitled to your opinion. However over 15 years from its release I think Sam Raimi’s Spiderman is an absolute comic book genre movie classic.
@bigevilworldwide
You need to calm down.
@bigevilworldwide at least they have more character growth than mcu spider-man
Spider-Man 3 is seriously underrated. Not in execution, but the unique ideas they had in it.
Peter regresses and becomes an asshole because he's never had to deal with success before. He's like a starved kid in buffet; he doesn't know how to control himself. He spent so long being a loser that when he finally won at life, it got to his head. And it all goes downhill.
That's an idea I will always appreciate.
I agree
It's because of symbiote affecting his personality.
@@JediKnight207 it's established before the symbiote
Just like Batman and Robin, seriously underrated and made fun of for dumb reasons!
It is in ideas AND execution...
“That’s why they have auditions!” Lol
Director: I want to make art.
Movie studio: I want to make money.
Perfect ☺
Thanos: Balance
So true…sadly
even still, i enjoyed this movie more than the amazing spiderman movies
Better than MCU too
So did I.
@@NeverSaySandwich1 so did I. I think the amazing films lack direction and the mcu films lack stakes or good character arcs.
Same here
With all it’s flaws this movie had a lot to say a lot about Revenge, forgiveness, redemption and grandiosity.
Plus it’s not that bad, it’s alike a 6 or 7/10 and man those visuals aged very well
I agree with that. It was mediocre but not terrible.
Spot on
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You’ll get your rent when you fix THIS DAMN pizza
Yes finally the trilogy is complete
Now this puts some dirt in my eye.
Gonna cry?
@@allendrake6960 Nah I'm dry
Avi Arad is the worst thing to happen to the Spider-man series. I just wish the guy would leave Sony.
Unfortunately him and Perlmutter "saved" Marvel from bankruptcy back in the 90s so the only reason he's there is because they owe it to him and honestly after that he hasn't proven his worth
There's a lot of nepotism in Hollywood.
@@Tobacc0 it's not so much as nepotism in this case it's more like when you owe it to someone for saving your ass so long ago that they carved out a spot where they can't be taken out no matter how poisonous and cancerous they are to the product.
Nepotism isn't the issue it's politics.
What is utterly stupid is Avi Arad is involved with the production of Spiderman No Way Home, can’t the guy take the hint - his decision-making processes ruin Spiderman!
Or get fired
Ditkovich: "Where's the Spiderman 3 retrospective?"
Oliver: "You'll get your retrospective video when you FIX THE DAMN DOOR!"
Ditkovich: "I forgot the part where that's my problem."
This movie isn’t as bad as everyone says.
just the damn emo hair and cringe dancing
I agree . To me this movie is a 6 or 7 out of ten
Parker Pshebnisky it’s not at all is that the first two films are amazing this was ok.
@@smokelife6315 but people like it when star lord in gaurdian of galaxy dances in front of bad guy😂
I thought the dance/emo montage was quirky, funny and memorable.....I laughed out loud in the cinema. I thought that it was great that they could get Willem Dafoe back again as the spirit of the Green Goblin (most big actors think they’re too good to return for cameos in big films) The emotional core of the film is between Peter and Harry which really pays off at the end, and the ambiguous final scene where the future of MJ and Peter is uncertain is more reflective of real relationships. Only the score for the third film is a bit lacklustre, but without Danny Elfman it was always going to be a tough gig.Taken as a trilogy, the Sam Raimi Spider-Man films are excellent. And I always watch them as a trilogy.
Rewatched it in time for your retro, it’s really nowhere near as bad as the internet would have you believe 13 year ago. Its very much like Dark Knight Rises, both completely decent 7/10 films that lack in comparison to their two great predecessors. I'll always cherish the memory of seeing it age 9 with my Dad, the one time I got to see my Spider-Man on the big screen!
I agree, but would argue the TDKR is a much better movie and trilogy closure.
@@Dohsoda You know how folks complain about how *Return of the King* has too many endings? I think *Dark Knight Rises* handles that way better
TDKR is a much better movie than this trainwreck.
TDK Trilogy in my opinion is a Masterpiece! All three films are! Never understood the hate for Rises and never will. So Comparing Rises with SM 3 doesn't seem right.
@@nox5870 Yeah, all 3 films are great in my opinion as well. I just ignore the unjust hate of TDRK. Spidey 3 is fine and fun, but its a notable step down from 1&2.
One of the most overhated movies of all time.
Full of great character writing for Peter and a solid arc of forgiveness for him involving Sandman who was also pretty sympathetic and had a nice ending to his arc.
Great special effects all around especially on Sandman.
Literally every fight in this movie is fantastic (much better than any MCU one), like seriously you got the exciting and dramatic Peter and Harry fight in the air, the brutal Peter and Harry fight at his house and then that awesome fight with Sandman in the sewers which is filled with fun moments like smashing his head against a train and all that.
Great soundtrack to and also a really cool setpiece when peter saved gwen from being crushed by two big pieces of concrete.
It's dissapointing for the franchise as a whole but is pretty good as it's own thing.
fantastic argument Buckaroo Banzai, real thought provoking
That compositing with Tobey Maguire's face, especially during his fight with venom are pretty weird. Some of the faces he suddenly makes for only a few frames are pretty funny. This movie is entertaining as hell though. Like you said, lots of good fight sequences.
@@DeletedMediaTH-cam yeah but I also see people make fun of him for having a weird crying face when the truth is that not many people look good when crying
Completely agree. I also thought the Symbiote fitted in the Forgiveness and Revenge Arc this Movie was doing.
"You'll get your rent WHEN YOU FIX THIS DAMN DOOR"
- Emo Peter
What's emo btw
...You were an embarrassment to him
Ben Kingsley would have been a awesome Vulture
I love and absolutely adore the entire Raimi trilogy. Spider-man 3 is so underrated. It's not without it's flaws,but in no way is this a bad movie. Not even close. In fact,I'd say it's a damn good movie. Being a huge Venom fan,I was disappointed with how his character was treated though.
'for the fans' yeah even though we would have watched what ever villain he chose because we love these movies and sam raimi
I still really love this film
The emo peter bits were some of the best in the movie, fight me
Never clicked so fast on a video before. Sam Raimi's underrated masterpiece. 🙌
"Masterpiece"? 🤣🤣🤣
Ypu clearly don't understand what that means.
Its not as atrocious as others would have you believe, but its far from a masterpiece.
@@paulheap1982 *Samuel L Jackson voice* I DON'T REMEMBER ASKING YOU A GODDAMN THING...
@@celticbird2398 yeah, wouldn't expect somebody who thinks this movie is a masterpiece in any definition of the word to come up with an intelligent or original comeback.
@@paulheap1982 Okay bud, it's called an opinion, sorry i'm not allowed to have one.
@@celticbird2398 yeah, opinions are allowed. Even wrong ones.
Forcing Raimi to include Venom was a mistake. Venom is a villain for his own movie, maybe even two films. If it were just Sandman and Harry, it might have worked better.
Plus having the black suit would give Pete an edge in the fight against said tag team! I'm not saying use Venom as well he could easily be saved for another movie.
Glad that Felicia hardy as the vulture’s daughter never happened. Had no idea that was planned
@Kaagh178 true but Adrian Toomes isn't related to Felicia Hardy so that would've have been all kinds of wrong had they pursued that idea! Originality is great and all but c'mon. Don't completely change everything!
I actually enjoyed Spider-Man 3, though it did feel overlong even at the time. I think it was the fact that my expectations were pretty low, not because I didn't like the first two but just because it felt like a long gap between the second and third and I really had forgotten a lot of the story.
By the way, the symbiote in the comics came from the Secret Wars series. Jameson's son became Werewolf by Night, not Venom
egoBorder man wolf
@@srstriker6420 you're right! I always mix them up for some reason
egoBorder yeah like the Hulk’s father in Ang Lee’s Hulk
I agree that the action scenes and music are great in this movie. Sadly something greatly missing in the MCU films. Probably because Peter doesn't have anyone he can physically fight like Venom, Rhino, Kraven....
Maybe I sort of prefer spiderman 3 over the MCU films in some aspects
Peter is his own character in this trilogy and even the Garfield films. MCU Peter Parker is just a Tony Stark fanboy whose whole identity revolves around Tony.
@@AAWinnerMichaelCaine he's more of a wide eyed apprentice/father-son deal more than a fanboy
I had no idea there was an editor's cut, its like the "spiderman 2.1" cut they made of spiderman 2 I guess
It did not fix the problems with SM3.
Robert Gross It’s certainly better than the 2.1 cut of Spiderman 2.
Underrated and personally my favorite of the trilogy.
@Kaagh178
You are aware that's HIS OPINION, right?
I Remember the hype and trailers back in 2007. I saw this in theatres. Good pick Oliver!
We need a proper director's cut of the movie
There are a couple of interesting fan cuts on the IFDB.
@@AAWinnerMichaelCaine link please
You’ll get your director’s cut when you fix this damn door!
@@AAWinnerMichaelCaine that's my channel
The Editor's Cut is the best we're going to get unfortunately. I just can't see Raimi going back to this film.
Wow that trailer style introduction made the movie look amazing lol
“Avi felt the series had relied too much on Sam’s personal favorite Spider-Man villains” *WOW it’s almost like allowing a filmmaker to adapt content he actually resonates with is a solid strategy to producing personal, effective films like the first two*
You can tell there is a good movie somewhere in there but it feels overstuffed with backstories & villans and could have been split into two films.
If they would have kept the black suit, harry osborn back story, and maybe keep the Sandman as the main villan while saving Venom for Spiderman 4 could have made sense.
Rami didn't want Venom, he wasn't a fan of the character. I think it would have been best to leave Venom out of it.
This! Drop Venom and maybe introduce Gwen Stacy but not “drop” her until a later film. Keep the black suit, keep Sandman, and wrap up Osborne plot.
Excellent video. The novelization of the movie has a lot of the cut scenes with sandman and the extra characters. They filmed those things too but didn't put it in the editors cut. A leaked trailer from Ant Farm Trailer House shows some of those scenes. You have to complete The Dark Knight trilogy next.
I adore Spiderman 3. Time just goes so fast, man. Already about twenty years since it came out.
I love Harry's arc, I love the metal pipe scene in the high rise near the end, and just think 3 is fantastic.
Especially the editor's cut. It's a flawed movie but still a good one. Also it's my favourite one out of the trilogy in terms of its abundance of action scenes. Also, I love the themes of revenge, ego and forgiveness.
This was definitely a sequel that got better with time. The Spider-hype kicked into overdrive after Spider-Man 2 was such a huge success. It made the third one seem lame by comparison. Now, it feels like a greater achievement than it was initially given credit for.
The intro to the Sandman is one of the best intros to a character ever. So tragic yet amazing, then the dark theme at the end when he’s walking towards the camera. Awesome.
Your retrospectives are still some of the very best videos on all of TH-cam. Keep doing the damn thing Ollie! 😁
3 was just too different from 1 and 2 in too many ways, from music, cinematography to character motivations. Just jarringly different. Like the difference between chamber of secrets and azkaban different.
I rather look at 3 as it's own thing
The Harry Potter series getting darker made sense since the kids were growing up, Harry's perception of his family was shaken through Sirius and there was a lot more personal secrets and revelations going around. Plus if the series had the tone of the first two films, Voldermort's return wouldn't have worked well.
You find the look of Spider-Man 3 to be jarring but not Spider-Man 2? Spider-Man 2 looks like a film that came out six years after Spider-Man 1. Spider-Man 3 looks similar to Spider-Man 2.
Well it really wasn’t Sam Raimi’s fault for Venom because he wanted the vulture in the movie
Oh hello sr striker
Hey striker this movie was acthully the first ever time I ever heard of venomm
@@zacharyjochumsen9677 could you stop following me
@@srstriker6420 well I didn't know you were even here
@@srstriker6420 did you see the venom movie that came out not that long ago I'd imagine you have seen it did you like it
Did not expect to see this in my subscriptions today :)
Your description of the plot makes the film seems so much more coherent and exciting than it really is. There are small details you describe (like Peter's addiction to the suit) that just dont come across clearly enough to have any impact. I've seen it several times and always felt that it has a lot of great scenes and moments in it - when taken individually - but somehow, when seen all together it just doesnt gel. Personally, I've always felt the MJ stuff to be the weakest part of the movie and unfortunately this where the focus lies most of the time. Dunst was likable in the first two films and did not detract from the main story - but here she is shrill and bitchy and her personal problems just arent very compelling and drag the film down. I know the intent was Peter's insensitive and selfish actions (from the influence of the black suit) are creating the problems between the two - but again, its not clearly depicted, and you feel more sorry for Peter than anything. Clearly, in order to have Dunst return, her contract must have been renegotiated to include more screen time and this was their solution.
I'm pretty sure she was already contracted for three movies. Raimi wanted to focus more on Peter/MJ but the studios kept meddling.
Peter was insensitive and selfish even before the black suit. That was the point.
For all its faults, I would definitely choose watch it over the two Amazing Spider-Man films any day.
Ah yes, the Citizen Kane of this century.
lol 😆 or police academy 5 ... opinions vary .
Thanks Oliver! Great video as always!
This movie still has more soul and charm than any other non Raimi spiderman movie. The Raimi trilogy just hit different than any other superhero movie. They embrace the goofiness and camp of the comics fully all while having fantastic character moments that aren't interrupted by terrible jokes or forced awkward stuff.
YESS! I've been waiting for this video for such a long time. I hope we get these retrospectives for every Spider-Man film thus far (including TASM and MCU films eventually). Also I haven't watched this film in a while so watching this video made me notice the name drop of "Ryker's." Neat detail that I never picked up on. I feel really bad for Christopher Young because I really love his scores! Also your montages throughout this video are absolutely fabulous!
The two first films were amazing. Spider-Man 2 being a masterpiece. This film just couldn’t measure up. It should’ve been about venom only. It’s still a charming good film. Toby McGuire was a great Peter Parker. Too many cooks in the kitchen. Way too many characters in one film. The Gwen Stacy story could’ve been Spider-Man 4 with Harry Osborne getting his revenge
Apparently the end battle was RADICALLY different where in when Peter shoots the web to free Eddie from Venom, instead what Pete pulls out was a Venom like Skull that speaks to Peter saying "It never wanted me, it wanted u! It always wanted u" Peter then turns as a voice says "Never wound what u can't Kill!" And that was the actual final battle Peter trying to fight Venom, whose was trying to more violently and viciously bond with Spider-Man again
Also retconning Sandman into Uncle Ben's killer was a terrible decision.
If they wanted Peter to have a personal vendetta against Sandman, they could have had him find out that Flint Marko was the guy who killed his parents.
@@taopilot2669 I thought they should have had Harry put a bounty on Spider-Man's head and had Sandman try to collect on it.
Great job as usual! I agree, I love the score. It’s definitely one of the highlights of the entire film. I had been looking forward to this film and was disappointed much like everyone else. What is next for you? The dark Knight? Thanks for all that you do! Keep up the great work!
The dancing Peter scene is a masterpiece of cinema
Great work Oliver Harper
. I always enjoyed Spider-Man 3 very much. Yes it has flaws but still it has decent plot, perfect cast, amazing cgi and also it was a big part of my childhood, which makes me nostalgic about it I guess 😇😇
My favourite part of this movie? Emo Peter dancing.
Thats funny because thats the only thing that ruins this film
@@smokelife6315 Nah I've rather have the Cool Peter Parker Dance scenes over the Iron Boy Jr movie any single day
Please do a Beverly Hills cop retrospective!!!!! I’m dying
Came back from a 10 hours shift at work. Thank you for cheering me up Mr Oliver
Excellent work per usual, Mr. Harper.
I went to see this and 28 Weeks Later at the cinema alone during 2007, noone wanted to come... But when I look back at the latter movie, being alone in the cinema during that opening sequence was one of the best cinema experiences of my life.
Damn, Oliver’s edits can make anything look like a masterpiece
This is one, I can only imagine, would be fantastic with some obvious editing choices adjusted
I love all 3 of Sam Raimi's Spiderman. The darker tone of the 3rd one felt right as it explored aspects of Spiderman's personality that had only been played out in the comic books up until that time.
I saw this in the theater when it came out. At the time, I wasn’t that into it. Now I love this movie.
Been waiting for this 🔥🔥
Venom will always be my personal favorite Spider-man villain.
I remembered seeing this with my parents when it came out at 6. Including commercials for the toys on either Cartoon Network and Nickelodeon.
I've Been Waiting For This
The editor cut certainly helps though not a whole lot.
I still felt I like I was watching the same film but it did cut some controversial scenes and added a few new scenes that were substantial.
Overall I still enjoy this film in-spite of its flaws.
I liked all the characters. I think they made it work and balanced it well.
I personally hated the movie but right now I can Forgive it
Random Scottish Guy Exactly I respect the actors but I hate Sony
White Steve Harvey thank you mate I appreciate your forgiveness ✊🏻
It's not even a bad movie
@@Ecw_Kevin_Torres everyone hates sony
Forrest Gump I agree with you but the script was a mass
The 70s theme really warmed my heart. Thank you.
The FX artist behind the sandman used to circulate his development video for the shaders in late 2000s. It was some bananas shit. Incredible how much thought went into it.
I got to meet Cliff Robertson when he came to visit his old college in Yellow Springs, Ohio. He went out to eat at the local fine dining restaurant where I was maitre de in 2008. He was incredibly gracious but also very frail and feeble at the time. I remember his eyes were watery and he needed to sit down immediately. Such a nice man and a great actor. The camera took off at least a decade off of him in those films. RIP Cliff.
I hear that 1970’s Nicholas Hammond theme in the background.
You just got a new subscriber.
I remember seeing a teaser for this a year before it came out-that's how big a deal it was back in the day
Tom Hardy’s Venom is so much better, I hope he crosses over into the MCU.
Pickchore come on now it wasn’t Sam Raimi’s fault
White Steve Harvey you mean Tom Hardy, right?
White Steve Harvey okay, I don’t know who he is.
White Steve Harvey oh 😒
I like both the versions.
Love this video
Nice work throwing musical cues in from the spider-man live action series.
This movie deserves the full appreciation that it truly needs, especially after Homeless and Far From Good
I think Spider man 3 is one of the most underrated superhero movies of all time
the fact that topher grace said casting him as venom was a bad idea really makes you hate him as eddie a lot less
Same. Probably went like "Umm. Im not a super roided bodybuilder" "well pay you millions" "Well IMMA do my best"
I have waited for this moment
Great opening ...you've even used the first trailer soundtrack ...cool
Personally it is my favorite in the trilogy. I always watched it when I was little kid. The first Spider-Man movie that I ever saw. Thank you Oliver for doing this review. I really love this movie.
Another excellent review, Oliver. I've always liked Spider-Man 3. It's got flaws, but I still liked it. I really wish Sam had just gone with the Vulture instead of being forced to use Venom. Maybe it would've been better. Eh. Who knows? Anyway, wonderful job as always, Oliver. Oh. And using the music from the 70's Spider-Man tv show while talking about the video game was great! I love that theme. It's a nice bit of 70's cheese.
1. John Jameson never brought back the symbiote in the comics. Spider-Man acquired the symbiote on an alien world and brought it back with him. In the comics John Jameson brought a sapphire like stone back with him from the moon and it turned him into the Man Wolf. Both these elements were combined for the 90s animated series.
2. The fact that this movie A, names Uncle Ben's killer and B, then changes who killed Uncle Ben was the worst. Uncle Ben's killer has forever been known as just "The Burglar" Even when he returned and died of a heart attack in ASM #200, his name was never revealed.
3. I actually liked Topher Grace's Eddie Brock. I never really liked the Eddie Brock character in the comics and thought a better character to become Venom would have been Daily Bugle photographer Lance Bannon. Bannon had years of history in the Spider-Man comics (where as Eddie Brock debuted in the first full Venom issue ASM #300) and was already an anti-Peter Parker type character. In fact Topher Grace's Eddie Brock is far more like Lance Bannon.
I think he's confusing the comic storyline with the 1994 animated series, where Jameson Jr DOES bring back the symbiote after Spiderman saves him from his crashing spacecraft (which Jameson purposely misinterprets as sabotage).
I thought this Eddie Brock was pretty lame, stole your girl? You were never dating her! Lol
Great video
SPIDERMAN 3 really underrated and for me is favourite in the Trilogy. It shows Peter handing power and his dark side. Peter turns from superhero to anti-hero and back. Great way to close the ark. Also I love VENOM! Arrrrrh!!! 👹👹👹
I loved this movie and thought it was great when it came out. It receives alot of hate but I think that for a third movie in a trilogy, it really did live up to the hype and delivered everything the fans wanted. This is coming from someone who used to be obsessed with collecting spiderman comics as a kid.
Director delivers two awesome and successful films.
Producer: no, you got it wrong. Do this!
Love hearing the Nicholas Hammond Spider-Man theme in this review.
Love the Streets of Rage music in the credits!!!
Jameson being reminded to tAke his medication was hilarious.
Personally for me, I always enjoyed the design of the venom costume in the film because I've always thought of venom as a dark reflection of spiderman so I like that they put a distorted web pattern on him in this movie. Other than that, I don't think that Topher grace was a good choice for him and he did look kinda skinny
I’ve always loved this movie when I was a kid and I still do today. I still love all three films equally. Tobey was my Spider-Man and is still my favorite. I still own that web blaster.
I was looking forward to Jonah's son becoming Man-Wolf, like in the comics.
Eh, maybe someday. It'd be cool.
Wow I knew the basics of Spider-Man 3 but there was so much I hadn’t known. Like that’s why the official score never came out, I always wanted to buy it especially the opening. Like many other millennials this Spider-Man was my childhood, I’ll never get tired of the Rami trilogy. Forever saddened we never got Spider-Man 4, but have hope we may get to see Tobey as Peter one day. I remember how ecstatic I was watching this in theaters in May 2007, hyped ever since the first trailer came out and how into the marketing I was. Still has a lot of problems but this movie still holds a special place in my heart. Thanks Oliver, your retrospectives are some of the absolute bests!
I remember reading an article on this movie before it came on in the old Disney Adventure magazine. I had no intention to see it but as I read the article I could tell it would be a big mess. It said it would have 3 villains and it just seemed like too much for me. I guess I wasn't alone in that thought.
I would love Oliver to do Dead Man's Shoes
This movie is nowhere near as bad as everybody says it is..cheesy, sure, but has a lot of heart.
I'll take spider-man 3 over the safe and bland MCU spider-man films anyday.
Now dig on this.
70s live action spiderman theme. Nice use! 23:00
That Black suit theme is glorious and I love Sandman's awakening and the mansion fight scene. The film is still a mess. If we cut out the goofiness from the characters. I think I would appreciate it more. One thing I do love is the look of Venom in his tendril look.
Most people underrated what should be there, but they like to see what they approve of. At times approval denied what our thought process say. It is nice and because it could end the existence of what was so lovable at one