In the 10 times fuller section, I do not understand what the first example. Nothing done there makes any sense to me. The second example makes some sense, although it wasn't immediately clear you were using stun only.
The aim point is 1/10 of the way to the desired direction. That's why it is called the 10-times-fuller system. If the 2nd ball were not there, you would just cut the ball thin to the desired direction. Instead, you need to aim much fuller (10-times fuller at the 1/10 point).
Most will never understand the importance of this video simply because they are incapable of seeing these shots when they come up or even have impudence to execute this! This is a game changer and when it matters the most this will shock the whole world! Again dr dave thank you for the invaluable content! There will never be anyone like you not now and not ever! Even if they have more subscribe than you
Many of these types of videos are way over the head of 99.9% of pool players. These are great to know as every advantage helps especially in games like one pocket, 14.1 or 8 ball when it looks like no shot is possible. These shots aren't for the average players and nobody on TH-cam posts video content like this. This channel has secrets even great players don't know.
@@DrDaveBilliards I actually think this one is “for” the masses, if you consider the senior APA types to be among the masses. My reasoning is that these situations are 10,000x more likely to show up in league play than in pro play, where the 8 ball was broken out way earlier in the rack. This is great information for me when one of the SL-3’s on my team gets themselves in this situation and calls time out and asks me (a Fargo-450 SL-6, who realizes I’m not that good) what to do. If I can produce technically competent advice in that time that even produces close to the desired result, that will go far to show the magic of pool. Meanwhile, in my own game I lost my turn at the table 3 shots before this one when I broke out the 8 ball but tied my cue ball up to another object ball…. ….completely unrelated, any advice for accurately shooting jacked up over an object ball? I, uh, know a friend who is totally deficient in that area.
Your twice-plus-tenths banking system was a game changer for me, so now I can't wait to try your 10-times fuller system! I love having these tools in my arsenal. Thanks for all you do!
Thanks for the video! I've been wondering how to make those frozen shots that are almost wired, thanks for sorting me how to get a little extra angle when I need it.
@@LilChrisPoolPlayer There is no theoretical limit; but the further away and fuller the shot is, the tougher it is since more speed and accuracy are required.
This is cool to know. I know idea you could change the tangent line even with a center ball hit just by approaching from different angles. I thought it was a matter of trying to hopelessly throw the ball using loads of top and draw which doesn't seem to be enough if you just hit everything head on. Looking forward to experimenting with it.
😢I hadn't heard of the 10 time system before, but I'm not at all surprised to hear that it was developed by Bob Jewett. It's genius stuff. Dr Dave and Bob have both taught me a lot about the physics involved in pool, and that's coming from a 65 year veteran of the game. . Thank you both!
It was very useful to listen to all your explanations, since I didn't know it, but this is more or less what I have been trying to do in my pool games! I work out the angles, without the cue and imagine direction of the object ball. with back spin, top spin and straight cuing. I am finding approximately 40% of my shots work out at present! Still too many scratches though for my liking! Working on that now!
If you mean the donuts, see: billiards.colostate.edu/faq/training/teaching/ But you probably mean the head and foot spot markers. Sorry, but those were put on by my last cloth installer and I don't know where he got them. I think they came with the Simonis cloth.
Love all of your content! This video in particular would have benefitted from an overhead camera angle. Have you considered an eagle eye view of the table?
My ceiling is not very high, so the overhead views I get from my GoPro and software are distorted. Also, it is a lot more work using multiple camera feeds. But I agree that a high-quality overhead view could often be helpful.
When I try these shots I have just used the edge of the ball that the object ball is frozen to tangent line to the pocket and incorporated throwing the ball from your other video. I've made quite a few shots using this method and tried to tell them how I did it and they just scratch their heads and call it luck. 😂 This video will definitely help with the visualization using the 1/10th method.
Have you thought about or have you done a piece using speed pool as a training method? I find it helps with a lot of emotional comfort before competing for real consequences. Get one good quick game in where I don't think about anything but getting the balls down as quick as possible. The errors that pop up allow me to see where I need adjustments where I wouldn't normally see them going through my normal routine. Try it once. Play as fast a you can & while you're shooting, voice out loud what errors come to the surface when you put yourself under stress. You can also work out table variances quicker than a normal game because you track the ball at a quicker rate as your adrenaline triggers your flight or ***** response.
Dr. Dave, with the US Open 2024, I see many complaints that this is a game of breaks. It would seem even with the 9 ball on the spot, the pros have mastered it just as easy as the 1 on the spot. Do you still hold the same opinion that the break is fine, considering they are making a ball on the break 95% of the time?
I had been playing with a wrong eye alignment all the time, i noticed the cueball allways go a little bit to the left. I found the right one but i got so much difficulty getting used to it. Should i keep continue practicing or keep playing with the wrong eye alignment which i am more used to?
@@theblubird I think it is always best to use the correct “vision center” alignment per the info here: billiards.colostate.edu/faq/eyes/vision-center/ even if it takes a little work to adjust, especially since the CB was off with the bad alignment.
Man, I paused and practiced these shots in the video, and I couldn't get the spotted 8 ball anywhere near the corner pocket when aiming just off a few inches from middle table. I wonder tho... I just cleaned the balls, could really slippery clean balls throw the system off?
The ball cleanliness should not be much of an issue. But the balls do need to be frozen. Are you sure there was absolutely no gap between the balls. Even a miniscule gap causes a totally different outcome. If that is not it, I recommend you try every shot from the beginning, one at a time, so you can build up your skill and confidence (and care spotting the balls) along the way. After you figure it out, please let me know what explains the earlier failures.
Under the WPA "official rules of pool," if you pocket the called ball (the 8 here), nothing else matters. For more info, see: billiards.colostate.edu/resources/rules/
I personally think that this method, apart from one pocket, really shines when we have frozen pair close to a pocket. First of all it's not that hard to visualize, since everything is close by, and with short distances, this shot is more forgiving.
I know it is correct. Love your videos. I have been playing pool 40 years, the last 20 at a very high amateur level. I wish I had a smarter brain to figure this out.
@@DrDaveBilliards Thanks for the reply Dr.Dave. I watched 2 more times and getting closer. This will definitely help my one pocket and straight pool but like the great Jim Rempe said, "if its almost dead, dont shoot it".
The highlight of this video for me is an audio clip of Efren Reyes saying I got lucky. 😂 🎱 I guess the better you are the luckier you get lol. I think honestly more fortunate and skillful are more appropriate for terms.
I inducted my brother Jeremy into the Texas Billiards HOF the other night… I told the story about Jersey Red telling JJ he’d be happy to teach JJ 92% of everything he knows about one pocket for $25 a game.. lol.. Different times.. I’d say it was the best investment Jeremy ever made?..
The screen shot you put up does not match the forward punch from behind shot you used to actually make it. Make it from *that* spot. Not nearly as easy. It is a high velocity kick at that point (one method) to get the effect you demonstrated. The angle you did it straight on from would be the return approach of the kick shot. Otherwise, you could make a two rail bank to the upper left corner with a little spin transfer(red).
@@DrDaveBilliards It's a "twice around" spinor thing. That's why I shoot high stick shots so much. So I can drive the ball down into the cloth and get it all spun up... 'cause I likes spinors. :-)
*Contents:*
0:00 - Intro
0:33 - Straight Shots
2:43 - Angled Gap Shots
3:30 - Angled Frozen Shots
5:14 - 10-Times Fuller Aiming System
6:52 - Speed Effects
7:45 - Off-Angle Shots
8:18 - Game-Situation Examples
11:59 - Wrap Up
*Supporting Resources:*
- “FROZEN CUE BALL SHOTS … Everything You Need to Know” video: th-cam.com/video/gOCCvFcUhco/w-d-xo.html
- “Top 10 Things You Need to Know about THROW” video:
part 1 - th-cam.com/video/5C7143wIc-M/w-d-xo.html
part 2 - th-cam.com/video/G6ojo1xliT4/w-d-xo.html
- Frozen-ball aiming systems: billiards.colostate.edu/faq/frozen/aiming/
- technical math/physics analysis of CB striking two frozen OBs straight: billiards.colostate.edu/technical_proofs/new/TP_B-29.pdf
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In the 10 times fuller section, I do not understand what the first example. Nothing done there makes any sense to me. The second example makes some sense, although it wasn't immediately clear you were using stun only.
For example, you keep saying aim 10 times fuller, but you are actually aiming 9/10 less than the desired direction of the object ball.
Hopefully, it makes more sense after multiple viewings, and after trying the measurements and shots yourself.
The aim point is 1/10 of the way to the desired direction. That's why it is called the 10-times-fuller system. If the 2nd ball were not there, you would just cut the ball thin to the desired direction. Instead, you need to aim much fuller (10-times fuller at the 1/10 point).
Most will never understand the importance of this video simply because they are incapable of seeing these shots when they come up or even have impudence to execute this! This is a game changer and when it matters the most this will shock the whole world! Again dr dave thank you for the invaluable content! There will never be anyone like you not now and not ever! Even if they have more subscribe than you
Good point. Knowing when to use the techniques is just as important as knowing the techniques.
Thank you for your kind words.
Many of these types of videos are way over the head of 99.9% of pool players. These are great to know as every advantage helps especially in games like one pocket, 14.1 or 8 ball when it looks like no shot is possible. These shots aren't for the average players and nobody on TH-cam posts video content like this. This channel has secrets even great players don't know.
I am proud to be part of the .1 percent of people who gets this.
@@luv1pocket Agreed. Videos like this are certainly not for “the masses.” Thanks for the comment.
@@DrDaveBilliards
I actually think this one is “for” the masses, if you consider the senior APA types to be among the masses. My reasoning is that these situations are 10,000x more likely to show up in league play than in pro play, where the 8 ball was broken out way earlier in the rack.
This is great information for me when one of the SL-3’s on my team gets themselves in this situation and calls time out and asks me (a Fargo-450 SL-6, who realizes I’m not that good) what to do.
If I can produce technically competent advice in that time that even produces close to the desired result, that will go far to show the magic of pool.
Meanwhile, in my own game I lost my turn at the table 3 shots before this one when I broke out the 8 ball but tied my cue ball up to another object ball….
….completely unrelated, any advice for accurately shooting jacked up over an object ball? I, uh, know a friend who is totally deficient in that area.
You're still the best at what you do. Thanks for showing the next generation how to effectively compete. 🙏
Thank you, and you're welcome. I aim to swerve. :)
10 times fuller is amazing! Thanks for teaching it!
@@okkrom Agreed. You’re welcome.
Your twice-plus-tenths banking system was a game changer for me, so now I can't wait to try your 10-times fuller system! I love having these tools in my arsenal. Thanks for all you do!
@@jkhalsey I’m glad to hear it. You’re welcome. I aim to swerve. 🤓
Thanks for the video! I've been wondering how to make those frozen shots that are almost wired, thanks for sorting me how to get a little extra angle when I need it.
You're welcome. I hope the info helps you win some games.
Having the guidance of you Dr. Dave and not to mention pool guru Bob Jewett means that we got "lucky" too, just like Efren. Thanks!
Thanks. Efren GOaT lucky a lot! :)
Is there any limitation to the "10x Fuller Aiming System"? At 08:36, if the balls were past the side pockets would the shot still work?
@@LilChrisPoolPlayer There is no theoretical limit; but the further away and fuller the shot is, the tougher it is since more speed and accuracy are required.
Wow, another amazing resource found on this channel. This will be incredibly useful in 1pkt.
I'm glad you liked it. 1pkt is a great game where countless shot types and useful techniques come up often.
@DrDaveBilliards yes, it is. I play all games, but 1 pkt helped me take all other games to a new level.
More great stuff from Dr Dave. Thank you!
@@jerryhughes4256 Thank you, and you’re welcome. I aim to swerve. 🤓
This is cool to know. I know idea you could change the tangent line even with a center ball hit just by approaching from different angles. I thought it was a matter of trying to hopelessly throw the ball using loads of top and draw which doesn't seem to be enough if you just hit everything head on. Looking forward to experimenting with it.
@@creedolala6918 Have fun with the practice. Working on the video sure improve my understanding and skill.
I made a frozen shot on the 8 with position to the 9 ball in my last tournament, this was so sick. Thank you!!!!!
@@waelaltalaa Awesome. I’m glad to hear it. You’re welcome.
😢I hadn't heard of the 10 time system before, but I'm not at all surprised to hear that it was developed by Bob Jewett. It's genius stuff. Dr Dave and Bob have both taught me a lot about the physics involved in pool, and that's coming from a 65 year veteran of the game. . Thank you both!
@@dougoverhoff7568 You’re welcome. We aim to swerve. 🤓
More good info from Dr. Dave on how to play pool better, all you need do is practice.
Thanks again CC. Smart practice makes perfect.
I remember all the moments of trying to use the tangent line and the shots were way off scratching my head as to why.. Now it makes sense! Cheers!
@@gregorpesek Now you can predict and control where you want the ball to go! (after a little practice)
Very critical aiming 😮🙏♥️ sir. thanks.
@@TapashRozario Agreed. You’re welcome.
Great video Dave!
I did not realize how much difference there was between a frozen and not frozen ball?
Thanks. Yep, the difference is huge!
It was very useful to listen to all your explanations, since I didn't know it, but this is more or less what I have been trying to do in my pool games! I work out the angles, without the cue and imagine direction of the object ball. with back spin, top spin and straight cuing. I am finding approximately 40% of my shots work out at present! Still too many scratches though for my liking! Working on that now!
If you want to improve your CB control and prevent scratches, see the videos and info here:
billiards.colostate.edu/tutorial/cue-ball-control/
@@DrDaveBilliards Thank you so much!
@@thelittlesignpost You're welcome. I aim to swerve. :)
I'll work on this one! Thanks.
@@billquiggle4187 Have fun with the practice. You’re welcome.
Amazing as always. Can you please link those table spots?! I can only find the big black ones with the white dots. These look much cleaner.
If you mean the donuts, see:
billiards.colostate.edu/faq/training/teaching/
But you probably mean the head and foot spot markers. Sorry, but those were put on by my last cloth installer and I don't know where he got them. I think they came with the Simonis cloth.
Great video as always!!!!!!!!
Thanks! I'm glad you liked it.
great analysis!
@@Dman40000 Thanks. I’m glad you liked it.
Love all of your content! This video in particular would have benefitted from an overhead camera angle. Have you considered an eagle eye view of the table?
My ceiling is not very high, so the overhead views I get from my GoPro and software are distorted. Also, it is a lot more work using multiple camera feeds. But I agree that a high-quality overhead view could often be helpful.
Awesome video!! Thanks!!
@@LeonFleisherFan Thank you, and you’re welcome! I’m glad you liked it.
I have tried this but didn't realize I had to aim by factor of 10. Time to get on the table . . . Thanks Doc!
I hope you find it helpful after some practice.
Awesome 🙌
Thanks. I'm glad you liked it.
When I try these shots I have just used the edge of the ball that the object ball is frozen to tangent line to the pocket and incorporated throwing the ball from your other video. I've made quite a few shots using this method and tried to tell them how I did it and they just scratch their heads and call it luck. 😂
This video will definitely help with the visualization using the 1/10th method.
I hope the techniques help you win a game some day. I've certainly used them successfully before.
I see someone els is a "Big AL" subscriber 👀 or you two are telepathically linked haha. Thanks for the detailed break downs as always doc 🤗
You're welcome.
Have you thought about or have you done a piece using speed pool as a training method?
I find it helps with a lot of emotional comfort before competing for real consequences. Get one good quick game in where I don't think about anything but getting the balls down as quick as possible. The errors that pop up allow me to see where I need adjustments where I wouldn't normally see them going through my normal routine.
Try it once. Play as fast a you can & while you're shooting, voice out loud what errors come to the surface when you put yourself under stress.
You can also work out table variances quicker than a normal game because you track the ball at a quicker rate as your adrenaline triggers your flight or ***** response.
I have not considered it. But I have enjoyed trying speed pool with friends at times.
Dr. Dave, with the US Open 2024, I see many complaints that this is a game of breaks. It would seem even with the 9 ball on the spot, the pros have mastered it just as easy as the 1 on the spot. Do you still hold the same opinion that the break is fine, considering they are making a ball on the break 95% of the time?
The break is important but it requires skill, and the stats aren't as extreme as you think. See:
billiards.colostate.edu/faq/break/stats/#9-ball
I had been playing with a wrong eye alignment all the time, i noticed the cueball allways go a little bit to the left. I found the right one but i got so much difficulty getting used to it. Should i keep continue practicing or keep playing with the wrong eye alignment which i am more used to?
@@theblubird I think it is always best to use the correct “vision center” alignment per the info here:
billiards.colostate.edu/faq/eyes/vision-center/
even if it takes a little work to adjust, especially since the CB was off with the bad alignment.
Now I want a custom cue with a ruler designed on to the cue.
@@RichardsWorld I’m sure that can be arranged. :)
Did not quite get on the first watch but seems cool
There is a lot of useful techniques in this video. It is best to learn and practice one at a time. Multiple piecewise viewings are recommended.
Man, I paused and practiced these shots in the video, and I couldn't get the spotted 8 ball anywhere near the corner pocket when aiming just off a few inches from middle table. I wonder tho... I just cleaned the balls, could really slippery clean balls throw the system off?
The ball cleanliness should not be much of an issue. But the balls do need to be frozen. Are you sure there was absolutely no gap between the balls. Even a miniscule gap causes a totally different outcome. If that is not it, I recommend you try every shot from the beginning, one at a time, so you can build up your skill and confidence (and care spotting the balls) along the way. After you figure it out, please let me know what explains the earlier failures.
Is at 2:40 a double hit? “Herding action”
@@StringDriver The CB hits the 8 twice, but a “double hit” means something else:
billiards.colostate.edu/faq/foul/double-hit/
@@DrDaveBilliards I meant to ask is that not considered a foul?
@@StringDriver No. After striking the CB once with the tip, anything the balls do is allowed (assuming the CB hits a legal ball first).
Is it legal to hit the 13 and 8 in the same pocket? Do you call both balls?
Almost every league requires you call only one ball. An extra ball is just an extra ball
Under the WPA "official rules of pool," if you pocket the called ball (the 8 here), nothing else matters. For more info, see:
billiards.colostate.edu/resources/rules/
I personally think that this method, apart from one pocket, really shines when we have frozen pair close to a pocket. First of all it's not that hard to visualize, since everything is close by, and with short distances, this shot is more forgiving.
Excellent point. It comes up in bar box 8-ball occasionally.
I know it is correct. Love your videos. I have been playing pool 40 years, the last 20 at a very high amateur level. I wish I had a smarter brain to figure this out.
You don't really need to know "how to figure it out." You can just try the shots and try to get them to work.
@@DrDaveBilliards Thanks for the reply Dr.Dave. I watched 2 more times and getting closer. This will definitely help my one pocket and straight pool but like the great Jim Rempe said, "if its almost dead, dont shoot it".
The highlight of this video for me is an audio clip of Efren Reyes saying I got lucky. 😂 🎱 I guess the better you are the luckier you get lol. I think honestly more fortunate and skillful are more appropriate for terms.
I never get tired of that clip. Efren GOaT "lucky" a lot! :)
Where is the shot from the thumbnail?
Next video.
My pool knowledge feels 10x fuller :o)
@@marcusoh Oh! I’m glad to hear it. Hey Marcus!
I wonder why Dr Dave has never analyzed the effects of size and shape of the tip on cue ball control?
I have. See:
billiards.colostate.edu/faq/cue-tip/size-and-shape/
I inducted my brother Jeremy into the Texas Billiards HOF the other night… I told the story about Jersey Red telling JJ he’d be happy to teach JJ 92% of everything he knows about one pocket for $25 a game.. lol..
Different times.. I’d say it was the best investment Jeremy ever made?..
@@jacobjones5269 That’s a great story. Thank you for sharing it.
Dave your humor is fun. ME to ME
I hope I was able to get a chuckle or two even from non-MEs out there.
If you are my teacher for a week, no one will beat me at the pool where I play.
... assuming you practice what I teach.
The screen shot you put up does not match the forward punch from behind shot you used to actually make it. Make it from *that* spot. Not nearly as easy. It is a high velocity kick at that point (one method) to get the effect you demonstrated. The angle you did it straight on from would be the return approach of the kick shot. Otherwise, you could make a two rail bank to the upper left corner with a little spin transfer(red).
@@cosmicraysshotsintothelight That shot will be in my follow-up video.
If only there was a first person view on each stroke
@Tanfo77 What do you think a POV would add beyond the info and views provided?
FYI, you influenced me to add GoPro POV on my follow-up video. See:
th-cam.com/video/jlWwHvyEuvQ/w-d-xo.html
Ipit tropa
Pin troop?
You spelled Ten Times Fooler wrong. :-)
@@cosmicraysshotsintothelight Ha ha.
@@DrDaveBilliards It's a "twice around" spinor thing. That's why I shoot high stick shots so much. So I can drive the ball down into the cloth and get it all spun up... 'cause I likes spinors. :-)
lets 1v1 , you drop zero games
@@ilikebacon.6483 Woof. :)
I can’t
... until you watch the video. :)
Can you break a hundred in Snooker? I can.
@@chakkravutchinalai-x4d … probably not since I don’t play snooker, nor am I that good of a shot maker.
How often can you break 100?
@@bucksniper65 about once every 5 frames on average.
Do top world-class snooker pros get century breaks that often? !!!
... not in the tournaments I have watched.
@DrDaveBilliards top world class snooker pros have to deal with top world class safety play from Selby and Higgins