It’s really just fascinating to me, how Apple went from being a company, where you buy a build-it-yourself computer, down to literal capacitors, to a trillion dollar megacorp where you can’t even swap storage
litigation is the word. In the '70s if your hobby computer broke while you were assembling it, you went back to the store and bought new parts. If your 1999$ computer breaks while swapping nVME and you're a modern guy, you sue the company, so the company sees more fit screwing up with you before you even try to screw up with them, and while doing so they screw anyone else who wanted just to be able to repair his/her computer
@@stevethepocket Correct. The real reason was that Steve Jobs didn't want to compete on price with the rest of the highly competitive PC market. He wanted to force people to have to buy upgrades from Apple at inflated prices. I always hated it but that's how they choose to make money. Microsoft chose to sell software avoiding the low margin computer hardware market.
@@stevethepocket Because how PC market goes. A "PC" is just a smogasboard of parts. Buy a "gaming laptop" and you'll see all the same crazy shenigans a MacBook has, without the serialized parts hassle. Buy a smartphone, and you'll see EU had to enforce the right to repair for Apple and Android phones alike. With a "prebuilt" high end laptop or an high end phone it's just easier solder anything in that risk someone would break parts and blame you Luckily, we got the "right to repair", so things would have to swing better for the end user, but that's how it started. Think at the thing in April with Intel blaming motherboard makers for random crashes with the latest CPUs and the aforementioned makers blaming Apple instead. Since Apple controls the flow, they just shut off the ability of customers do stuff and nip all complains in the bud I'm not telling you it's good, or I approve them. It's just that they are in a position in the market that allows them to do so because they don't have an ecosystem to live within
Man, modern Apple execs would be in tears to see an Apple device as easy to disassemble and (assuming you had the parts and some basic knowledge) repair at home. So much lost profit... :P
Apple, 1980: Our computers our very modular, you can even mix and match the power supply! Apple, 2024: The iPhone battery comes with DRM to prevent you from replacing it… assuming you figure out how to open the iPhone in the first place.
The Lisa had primitive DRM… when you used a software disc for the first time, the machine's serial number was written to it so that the software on that disc couldn’t be installed on a different Lisa.
garbled video output from the RCA jack is normal. The composite video out is almost-but-not-quite-ntsc, meaning barely any monitors will actually sync to it. You are better off using a RGBtoHDMI to get a nice video signal. Also the dual parallel card is usually used to connect additional Profiles - meaning you can have three hard drives hooked up to the Lisa! Also also don't forget to change the floppy emu to Lisa mode!
It looks like trying to display progressive scan video on a TV that doesn't support it. So maybe it would work when connected to the green (luma) input of a TV with a progressive-scan component video input.
@@vwestlife you might be right there, when I was building the Clone Lisa the only monitor that I owned that could sync was a multi sync CRT - using only the green channel!
I never had any interest in this machine until you disassembled it. Modular computers are beautiful. It's unfortunate that manufacturers have purposely moved away from this model for the sake of profits is really sad.
I thought I enjoyed the concept of the Lisa back in 1983 (after seeing the price of the thing in "Byte" magazine and nearly fainting...). However, I enjoy it MORE now that you've pushed the envelope further on this particular Lisa. Regrettably, I've never seen any these machines actually doing the work it was designed to do back in the '80s...and I cast my eyes far and wide looking for them. They were in the shops in West Germany at the time...but not in any of the offices I'd been to. If anyone in the world should have a fully-functioning example one of these beauties, it's YOU! Wishing you success beyond your expectations!
@@cyber_pirate Oh, yes. But the people in my area, the state of Rheinland-Pfalz, used Olivetti and Schneider computers in the office. There were even some Commodore CBM-II that held my interest simply because I favoured my German-spec Commodore 64 at the time. There was a rare Apple II variant scattered here and there... Very sadly, I don't recall seeing any Macs. Apples were quite expensive back then. My German friends frankly weren't interested; I was the "Verrückter Ami" who the only nitwit in the neighbourhood who was into this sort of thing... A very dear friend of mine had the Amstrad word processing computer. I found this even MORE useful than either my Commodore 64 or my Kaypro IBM-PC clones. For lettering writing, nothing beat that machine (and...I didn't own a printer...) Ah...memories...
Ah, Rifa caps...I just acquired a lot of Apple II's and I've been going through them all preemptively identifying the rifa caps on all the PSUs so I can just order and replace them all at once. They're so prone to failure I don't even want to power them on to test them without doing so first... The Lisa will be a fun project. Hope to see more vids of it soon!
Thank you so much. You made my day with „actual the CPU is warm. So, … I think the computer is computing!“ 😂 You are the best. As a former support employee at Apple, in the 90s, I would have advised you to buy a new Mac. The model you are currently using is beyond any end-of-life. But it's always interesting to see what you're up to. Please keep up your fantastic work. Have a wonderful and exciting pre-Christmas season. With a hearty "Servus" from Bavaria. From an otherwise silently subscriber.
Stop me if you heard me say this before, but back in the late 80s or early 90s, I saw a Lisa running Mac OS at a garage sale for less than $100. It was a novelty and was tempted to buy it, but thought it didn't make sense to buy such an old computer. Plus, $75 - $100 (wherever it was priced at) was a lot more back then, especially for a very young adult.
I remember seeing these for sale in Computer Shopper (I also used to have the literature for it). Some company bought up some large stock of machines from Aple (I think it was "Sun Remarketing") and was selling ones that were modified to run the standard Macintosh OS. They promoted how it had a larger screen, and (I think) more memory, etc. I *SO* wanted one, but didn't have the money.
I have one of these and it has been completely functional! Even booting from the hard drive. It’s been a long time now since I last turned it on and to be honest, I am a little afraid to power it up. Thanks for this video. It gives me hope that I can fix any issues that have occurred since I last tried to use mine. Looking forward to the rest of the Lisa videos!
Don't breathe the RIFA. lol Two of my BBC Micros let the magic smoke out (years ago). And both happened during a Hangouts chat with retro friends. I told them the Rifa caps would likely explode within a short time after power-up. Both of them let go of the smoke within about 20 minutes. I took the machines outside immediately. The smell of those caps hangs around a long time, and I don't think it's great to breathe in?
The bane of many vintage computers 😄 a nice bonus is the fact that a lot of the time if not always the rifa caps are connected to mains before the power switch so they could turn into a smoke machine at any point even when not powered on if they were just plugged in
Even just sitting there they absorb moisture through the epoxy resin and that eventually kills them. And they truly reek when they blow. Much worse than the usual magic white smoke.
I noticed discoloration on your PSU board near the -12v/-5v power regulator. It's probably just from the heat of the large power resistors over time, but that plus the natural drift of component values as they age is a good reason to verify that the correct voltages are being outputted from the PSU before plugging it in. There is also an adjustment pot at R9 for tuning the transformer inputs.
Honestly I would've probably just recapped the whole thing. PSU, Motherboard, monitor chassis. This thing is old enough, rare enough, and expensive enough that one or two components blowing the magic smoke would be enough motivation for me to just replace it all. And probably reflow everything I don't replace.
Back in 1983 I bought Personal Computer News and Personal Computer World magazines and recall the Apple Lisa being reviewed. Looked like something from the future and a price tag that was half a house in my town. Still think it's a thing of beauty..
Man, that Lisa looks like a dream to service (outside of caps that have turned into ticking time bombs). No screwdriver required, everything is always just a thumbscrew or a latch away from being removed, replaced or upgraded. Imagine if this thing took off a bit more. Or if Apple put more effort into making the Lisa a platform with staying power instead of throwing all their weight behind the Mac. They could've released upgrade after upgrade, keeping the chassis while allowing the internals to grow in power as the years went by. Of course Apple ended up taking a very different path. It's a beautifully engineered device though and I hope you manage to get it back to fully working order. Also, it's a lot of fun to consider that the smartwatch on your wrist has orders of magnitude more processing power than this beast. It's quite insane to realize just how far we've gotten in the last 40 years.
Really looking forward to more on this machine - the Lisa is a legendary piece of computing history and, despite its cost and flaws, probably deserved more success than it had. I have a vague recollection of seeing one at a computer show back when it was the new kid on the block (although my memory might be playing tricks)
My first exposure to a home computer was a Heathkit setup that my grandfather built from a mail order kit. Disassembling and cleaning all of the sockets and connectors had to be done about every 3 to 6 months. You could tell it was time when the system crashed if you bumped the table the computer sat on!
Lol. When my friend's dad passed away we found a bunch of those in the house and we were tossing them on the ground smashing them, wish we would have known what they were back then lol
In 1983 I was a member of my county's computer club. I had an Apple II+. A lot of member had TRS-80's. At one meeting a guest brought a Lisa in to demonstrate for us. I was blown away. It was the 1st GUI and mouse I had ever seen. I emember he told us it had a $10k price tag.
Beautiful machine from the 1980s. With that much hardware it's no wonder why it was over $10,000 (1980s dollars) at the time. I was lucky enough to "play" with it when it first came out at my mom's work and was in my early teens. I had no idea how much the thing was at the time but it was a sweet machine. This is when I had my Commodore VIC-20 so you can imagine how much different it was back then.
Wow, I never knew it was this modular -- I love it. My Iris Indigo did a little better in that all tape- and hard-drives are on trays that just plug into the backplane, but it doesn't have the monitor built-in. I can' help but imagine what the world would have looked like today had the original IBM PC shipped with such a nice toolless pluggable design
@@Leylandcars123 Mechanical disks do die, especially if left "stuck" for a lenghty time. It can be a bad connection as you said, it can need some time to wake up, or it must just be replaced with a solid state solution, hoping to save its contents
I love it when you reatore old retro machines. I plan on doing so myself and have done for a few old computers and an old karaoke machine My old PCs have those panels that just come off with the pulling of the latch that keeps them on. They're also mostly made of metal so they're built like tanks. One of the hard drives in one started doing the click of death but I suspect it's just the board rather than the actual drive (I verified it to be fine just the previous day) The two PCs are the dell dimension 5150 and the Dell optiples gt620, both running windows xp natively and share the same cpu: the intel pentium 4
This demonstrates how backward computer design has become. From a modular, easily serviceable and upgradable platform to today’s, closed, glued together, basically disposable appliances.
It looks like Action Retro is able to exercise his _Right to Repair._ 🙂 I remember seeing a Lisa being demonstrated shortly after they were announced, but at $10k each were too expensive to justify the cost. In 2024 money that would easily be $30k!
Nice video, be careful of the back of that thing while you're messing with the video card. Those old CRT monitors will bite with up to 20,000 volts if a stray hand wonders too close. Those adjusters that you were using have plastic tools that fit them for that reason.
It's Action Retro not Action Modern. Not his first rodeo, he was nowhere close to the monitor chassis and he probably wasn't close enough to the anode cap for getting zapped to be a concern. The monitor remote board and the "plastic adjusters" AKA potentiometers don't have high voltage running through them.
Not a reprimand, just a friendly reminder. Those rubber boots that fit over the clip that goes into the picture tube dry out over time and crack, potentially allowing voltage to leak out. You don't have to be right on top of them at that point just "close enough".
I wish I had bought a LISA back in the early 90's, when I had a chance to buy it for $300 new (as it was being sold by vendors with deep discount after it became obsolete). However, I was poor college student, so I couldn't.
After Jobbs screaming at Woz about having an "enclosed" system (while they had the Apple // systems, we get this easy access machine.....Ironic. And this was Jobs "baby" so to speak. WHEN is the world going to "admit" Jobbs FAILED, was fired, met new people and came back to Apple only to "claim" someone else's designs and call it "his" and take all the credit? Let's face it, Jobs stood on the ""shoulders" of geniuses/talented people and took the credit for it. nuff said?
I don't think anyone ever claimed he was behind the tech itself. Woz was the engineer, Jobs was the marketing genius. He wasn't fired because he failed, but because their new Pepsi CEO convinced the board that he was too young to run a company and wanted to save money by cheaping out on everything. Which turned out to be a disaster as Apple almost went bankrupt and had to be saved by Microsoft just to keep afloat. There's no question that Jobs absolutely saved the company and made them the giant they are today, otherwise I doubt they would even exist anymore.
3:22 Wow, DB-25 serial ports on an Apple product? I appreciate the company's innovations over the years, but sure wish it wasn't such a rare thing to see standard connection types on their machines
If you use 3d printing in your projects. What about having a look at some old 3d printing stuff? (wooden makerbots for example) I think that would be interesting.
im not sure, but i think i may have used one in school in '91 or '92. i wouldn't be surprised if it was a different model or a unit that that looked like it as its been decades
Yeah, I don't even replace them when I take them out; they aren't necessary. It was just an FCC requirement like the ginormous RF shielding everything used to have.
the large blue 16v caps around the coilcraft transformer/choke on the psu board look suspect i would esr check them ,the plastic on them looks to have shrunk and the tops look to be budged (they got hot)
Is the 6502 replaceable/upgradeable? With a pass-thru processor from another 6502 system, perhaps? Or maybe never mind, I hadn't seen all of the video yet.
The Apple Lisa is rather interesting (and expensive) piece of history. As far as I know it was basically the Mac Pro of the era and the modular touches feel familiar as I had to maintain couple of cheese garter Mac Pro machines at one point. Consdering what the Apple stance is on repairibility these days the design choises stand out even more. I haven't looked what kind of keyboard the Lisa has but I wonder what kind of swithces and keycaps those are...
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* disassembles the computer * ~Sean
"YOU"RE TEARING ME APART!!!" ~Lisa
"No disassemble!" - Johnny 5
You let out the magic smoke.
Even I know you’re supposed to leave it inside!!
Apple has always been crap!
Refer caps will do that to you
@@cathydowns5442 Apple not made for gaming Windows is still best for gaming even though Microsoft sucks.
I'm getting a migraine just thinking of that power supply smoke smell...
It’s really just fascinating to me, how Apple went from being a company, where you buy a build-it-yourself computer, down to literal capacitors, to a trillion dollar megacorp where you can’t even swap storage
litigation is the word.
In the '70s if your hobby computer broke while you were assembling it, you went back to the store and bought new parts.
If your 1999$ computer breaks while swapping nVME and you're a modern guy, you sue the company, so the company sees more fit screwing up with you before you even try to screw up with them, and while doing so they screw anyone else who wanted just to be able to repair his/her computer
@@DrTofu83 Why do litigious idiots need to ruin everything for everyone?
@@DrTofu83 If that's true, why do desktop PCs still exist?
@@stevethepocket Correct. The real reason was that Steve Jobs didn't want to compete on price with the rest of the highly competitive PC market. He wanted to force people to have to buy upgrades from Apple at inflated prices. I always hated it but that's how they choose to make money. Microsoft chose to sell software avoiding the low margin computer hardware market.
@@stevethepocket Because how PC market goes. A "PC" is just a smogasboard of parts. Buy a "gaming laptop" and you'll see all the same crazy shenigans a MacBook has, without the serialized parts hassle. Buy a smartphone, and you'll see EU had to enforce the right to repair for Apple and Android phones alike.
With a "prebuilt" high end laptop or an high end phone it's just easier solder anything in that risk someone would break parts and blame you
Luckily, we got the "right to repair", so things would have to swing better for the end user, but that's how it started.
Think at the thing in April with Intel blaming motherboard makers for random crashes with the latest CPUs and the aforementioned makers blaming Apple instead.
Since Apple controls the flow, they just shut off the ability of customers do stuff and nip all complains in the bud
I'm not telling you it's good, or I approve them.
It's just that they are in a position in the market that allows them to do so because they don't have an ecosystem to live within
Man, modern Apple execs would be in tears to see an Apple device as easy to disassemble and (assuming you had the parts and some basic knowledge) repair at home. So much lost profit... :P
Do you know how much this thing cost in 1983?
Apple, 1980: Our computers our very modular, you can even mix and match the power supply!
Apple, 2024: The iPhone battery comes with DRM to prevent you from replacing it… assuming you figure out how to open the iPhone in the first place.
The Lisa had primitive DRM… when you used a software disc for the first time, the machine's serial number was written to it so that the software on that disc couldn’t be installed on a different Lisa.
garbled video output from the RCA jack is normal. The composite video out is almost-but-not-quite-ntsc, meaning barely any monitors will actually sync to it. You are better off using a RGBtoHDMI to get a nice video signal.
Also the dual parallel card is usually used to connect additional Profiles - meaning you can have three hard drives hooked up to the Lisa!
Also also don't forget to change the floppy emu to Lisa mode!
It looks like trying to display progressive scan video on a TV that doesn't support it. So maybe it would work when connected to the green (luma) input of a TV with a progressive-scan component video input.
@@vwestlife you might be right there, when I was building the Clone Lisa the only monitor that I owned that could sync was a multi sync CRT - using only the green channel!
NTSC is almost-but-not-quite-ntsc,
It's practically in its name.
@@AJB2K3 Never The Same Color doesn't apply here because there is no color.
what is it outputting exactly? Seems weird that it would be RGBS or something considering that it's a single RCA plug.
I never had any interest in this machine until you disassembled it. Modular computers are beautiful. It's unfortunate that manufacturers have purposely moved away from this model for the sake of profits is really sad.
Same here. Very impressive!
G5 Tower I have is similar and also some Mac pros, very convenient!
It set the basis for later Macs that had very accessible parts like the Pros and the Power Mac G4 with the swing out motherboard door.
well sake of profits sake of profits, Lisa was 10.000 USD and you could have a house for that back then.
I can't agree more on this ^^
It's really cool to see that there's more to the story if one of these ancient machines is broken. Awesome that you can bring them back to life
Apple Lisa smoke - don't breath this!
YES IT BLENDS
Takes me back...
Breathe*
Will it blend? That is the question.
Nice "dramatic reenactment" of the RIFA smoke! 👍
I had no idea the Lisa was so modular. It feels like the PowerMac G4 cube is a spiritual embodiment of the Lisa.
cost $10,000 when it came out, thats like 30 grand today. it better be well made
It reminds me of the way the TRS-80 Model II (from 1979) was built, except with the drives not sideways.
@@12me91 Imagine being a customer in the '80s and thinking any amount of computer could be worth the equivalent of 16 Commodore 64s.
I thought I enjoyed the concept of the Lisa back in 1983 (after seeing the price of the thing in "Byte" magazine and nearly fainting...). However, I enjoy it MORE now that you've pushed the envelope further on this particular Lisa.
Regrettably, I've never seen any these machines actually doing the work it was designed to do back in the '80s...and I cast my eyes far and wide looking for them. They were in the shops in West Germany at the time...but not in any of the offices I'd been to.
If anyone in the world should have a fully-functioning example one of these beauties, it's YOU!
Wishing you success beyond your expectations!
Interesting perspective from someone who remembers that era. I imagine there were a lot more classic Mac 128ks back then?
@@cyber_pirate Oh, yes. But the people in my area, the state of Rheinland-Pfalz, used Olivetti and Schneider computers in the office. There were even some Commodore CBM-II that held my interest simply because I favoured my German-spec Commodore 64 at the time.
There was a rare Apple II variant scattered here and there... Very sadly, I don't recall seeing any Macs. Apples were quite expensive back then.
My German friends frankly weren't interested; I was the "Verrückter Ami" who the only nitwit in the neighbourhood who was into this sort of thing...
A very dear friend of mine had the Amstrad word processing computer. I found this even MORE useful than either my Commodore 64 or my Kaypro IBM-PC clones. For lettering writing, nothing beat that machine (and...I didn't own a printer...) Ah...memories...
Ah, Rifa caps...I just acquired a lot of Apple II's and I've been going through them all preemptively identifying the rifa caps on all the PSUs so I can just order and replace them all at once. They're so prone to failure I don't even want to power them on to test them without doing so first...
The Lisa will be a fun project. Hope to see more vids of it soon!
Thank you so much. You made my day with „actual the CPU is warm. So, … I think the computer is computing!“ 😂 You are the best. As a former support employee at Apple, in the 90s, I would have advised you to buy a new Mac. The model you are currently using is beyond any end-of-life.
But it's always interesting to see what you're up to. Please keep up your fantastic work. Have a wonderful and exciting pre-Christmas season. With a hearty "Servus" from Bavaria. From an otherwise silently subscriber.
Stop me if you heard me say this before, but back in the late 80s or early 90s, I saw a Lisa running Mac OS at a garage sale for less than $100. It was a novelty and was tempted to buy it, but thought it didn't make sense to buy such an old computer. Plus, $75 - $100 (wherever it was priced at) was a lot more back then, especially for a very young adult.
If I found one, I would immediately buy it, no questions asked 😅
I remember seeing these for sale in Computer Shopper (I also used to have the literature for it). Some company bought up some large stock of machines from Aple (I think it was "Sun Remarketing") and was selling ones that were modified to run the standard Macintosh OS. They promoted how it had a larger screen, and (I think) more memory, etc. I *SO* wanted one, but didn't have the money.
I have one of these and it has been completely functional! Even booting from the hard drive. It’s been a long time now since I last turned it on and to be honest, I am a little afraid to power it up. Thanks for this video. It gives me hope that I can fix any issues that have occurred since I last tried to use mine. Looking forward to the rest of the Lisa videos!
Don't breathe the RIFA. lol
Two of my BBC Micros let the magic smoke out (years ago).
And both happened during a Hangouts chat with retro friends.
I told them the Rifa caps would likely explode within a short time after power-up.
Both of them let go of the smoke within about 20 minutes.
I took the machines outside immediately.
The smell of those caps hangs around a long time, and I don't think it's great to breathe in?
Rifa capacitors? Judging by all that smoke, they are probably Reefer capacitors.
caps that smoke I guess
The bane of many vintage computers 😄 a nice bonus is the fact that a lot of the time if not always the rifa caps are connected to mains before the power switch so they could turn into a smoke machine at any point even when not powered on if they were just plugged in
@@waldevv i wonder if having them after the power switch would have helped their longevity
😂💀
Even just sitting there they absorb moisture through the epoxy resin and that eventually kills them.
And they truly reek when they blow. Much worse than the usual magic white smoke.
Back in the day, a friend and fellow tech journalist got to review the Lisa when it came out. It also exploded. Couldn't blame that on the RIFAs.
I noticed discoloration on your PSU board near the -12v/-5v power regulator. It's probably just from the heat of the large power resistors over time, but that plus the natural drift of component values as they age is a good reason to verify that the correct voltages are being outputted from the PSU before plugging it in. There is also an adjustment pot at R9 for tuning the transformer inputs.
Honestly I would've probably just recapped the whole thing. PSU, Motherboard, monitor chassis.
This thing is old enough, rare enough, and expensive enough that one or two components blowing the magic smoke would be enough motivation for me to just replace it all. And probably reflow everything I don't replace.
Back in 1983 I bought Personal Computer News and Personal Computer World magazines and recall the Apple Lisa being reviewed. Looked like something from the future and a price tag that was half a house in my town. Still think it's a thing of beauty..
Man, that Lisa looks like a dream to service (outside of caps that have turned into ticking time bombs). No screwdriver required, everything is always just a thumbscrew or a latch away from being removed, replaced or upgraded. Imagine if this thing took off a bit more. Or if Apple put more effort into making the Lisa a platform with staying power instead of throwing all their weight behind the Mac. They could've released upgrade after upgrade, keeping the chassis while allowing the internals to grow in power as the years went by. Of course Apple ended up taking a very different path. It's a beautifully engineered device though and I hope you manage to get it back to fully working order.
Also, it's a lot of fun to consider that the smartwatch on your wrist has orders of magnitude more processing power than this beast. It's quite insane to realize just how far we've gotten in the last 40 years.
Really looking forward to more on this machine - the Lisa is a legendary piece of computing history and, despite its cost and flaws, probably deserved more success than it had. I have a vague recollection of seeing one at a computer show back when it was the new kid on the block (although my memory might be playing tricks)
My first exposure to a home computer was a Heathkit setup that my grandfather built from a mail order kit. Disassembling and cleaning all of the sockets and connectors had to be done about every 3 to 6 months. You could tell it was time when the system crashed if you bumped the table the computer sat on!
This type of content is what i love the most. And its making want to start collecting old computers lol
Somewhere along the way, Apple forgot all about the concept of modular. And upgradability…and repairability…
By the way, you have the AI translation thingy enabled.
What's that mean?
@@MaxOaklandI assume they mean the captions auto-translate option
they meant the auto dubbed@@blazingblanch
Why does that matter though?
@@_..-.._..-.._ sometimes it defaults to it in other regions and its absolutely horrible.
New slogan for the program: "Tinkering vicariously to get your fix." Thank you Sean for doing this tinkering so we don't have to.
Lol. When my friend's dad passed away we found a bunch of those in the house and we were tossing them on the ground smashing them, wish we would have known what they were back then lol
I did not even realize that was a lisa until just now
I am envious of your multiple green monochrome CRTdisplays.
make sure you refill the smoke packets for the next time they pop!
♫ POP! Goes the RIFA ♫
Awwww that apple two monitor looked so cute an small❤❤❤❤
Hopefully your machines live up to your shirt's messaging!
In 1983 I was a member of my county's computer club. I had an Apple II+. A lot of member had TRS-80's. At one meeting a guest brought a Lisa in to demonstrate for us. I was blown away. It was the 1st GUI and mouse I had ever seen. I emember he told us it had a $10k price tag.
That ol' workstation is built like a Server! Good job Apple!
The case and board engineering is unbelievable especially for the time
not really, actually most mainframes and mini computers of that time had similar modular construction.
13:18 "Working"
That was a really odd jump cut to saying it’s working after saying nope, it didn’t boot
The story of how this computer got its name is sad. this was an awesome video.
Holy smokes !
He let all of the smoke out of it!
So?
Sean. PLUG THE KEYBOARD IN THE GUITAR AMP!! 😂
It would actually be really interesting
So you replaced some time bombs with new time bombs for future excitement. Clever move.
“The power supply grenaded.” Understandable, have a nice day.
It seems like I read somewhere that Apple dumped a bunch of these in a landfill because it was not a big seller. But I may be wrong.
@@dougd1115 I've read about 2700 of them written off as tax refunds in a landfill in Utah when the Macintoshes came
Wow so the LISA supported dual monitors. Very neat.
The modular design and ease of access to the internal components gave Tim Cook a heart attack.
Beautiful machine from the 1980s. With that much hardware it's no wonder why it was over $10,000 (1980s dollars) at the time. I was lucky enough to "play" with it when it first came out at my mom's work and was in my early teens. I had no idea how much the thing was at the time but it was a sweet machine. This is when I had my Commodore VIC-20 so you can imagine how much different it was back then.
Great video !! love the old Lisa !
Actually the puffs of smoke mean your childhood has died and with it, Puff the Magic Dragon has ceased to exist. 😢
Thank you for making this video available with audio track in Brazilian Portuguese.
9:33 name it Harambe
Wow, I never knew it was this modular -- I love it. My Iris
Indigo did a little better in that all tape- and hard-drives are
on trays that just plug into the backplane, but it doesn't have
the monitor built-in.
I can' help but imagine what the world would have looked like today had the original IBM PC shipped with such a nice toolless pluggable design
What I loved on first apple machine was the easy way to move things around. Shame they didn’t keep that way
He let out the Genie XD
This is a sweet computer,Maybe the hard drive issue could be bad connection?,Bad solder joints?,something like that?
@@Leylandcars123 Mechanical disks do die, especially if left "stuck" for a lenghty time.
It can be a bad connection as you said, it can need some time to wake up, or it must just be replaced with a solid state solution, hoping to save its contents
11:25 Haha, letting me relive my youth when I could still hear the whine of CRTs
10:45 I started sweating watching that fenangling
Looking forward to the continued Lisa geekiness.
I love it when you reatore old retro machines. I plan on doing so myself and have done for a few old computers and an old karaoke machine
My old PCs have those panels that just come off with the pulling of the latch that keeps them on. They're also mostly made of metal so they're built like tanks. One of the hard drives in one started doing the click of death but I suspect it's just the board rather than the actual drive (I verified it to be fine just the previous day)
The two PCs are the dell dimension 5150 and the Dell optiples gt620, both running windows xp natively and share the same cpu: the intel pentium 4
This demonstrates how backward computer design has become. From a modular, easily serviceable and upgradable platform to today’s, closed, glued together, basically disposable appliances.
Awesome 👍😎 can't believe you brought that thing back from the dead! Love the channel, thanks!
COME ON SEAN! DO IT!
great video, yeah they go for a pretty penny cool you got one.
Man, what a cool machine! I'm totally jealous.
You’ll likely need to replace the foil inside the keys. Mine was degraded across 95% of the keys
The Apple Lisa is a nice and explored type Mac computer.
Apple Lisa는 멋지고 탐구적인 Mac 컴퓨터입니다.
I love the Apple Lisa!
Always check for Vartas and Rifas!
"Still has that nice smoky reefa smell"
Mmm, OG Reefa 🔥
It's crazy to see how repair-friendly and modular the Lisa was, especially compared to modern-day Apple products.
Nice rare piece of vintage tech.
Cool, I've never seen a Lisa opened up before. I wish current Macs were that easy to take apart.
It looks like Action Retro is able to exercise his _Right to Repair._ 🙂 I remember seeing a Lisa being demonstrated shortly after they were announced, but at $10k each were too expensive to justify the cost. In 2024 money that would easily be $30k!
I love the Lisa’s
Nice video, be careful of the back of that thing while you're messing with the video card. Those old CRT monitors will bite with up to 20,000 volts if a stray hand wonders too close. Those adjusters that you were using have plastic tools that fit them for that reason.
It's Action Retro not Action Modern. Not his first rodeo, he was nowhere close to the monitor chassis and he probably wasn't close enough to the anode cap for getting zapped to be a concern.
The monitor remote board and the "plastic adjusters" AKA potentiometers don't have high voltage running through them.
Not a reprimand, just a friendly reminder. Those rubber boots that fit over the clip that goes into the picture tube dry out over time and crack, potentially allowing voltage to leak out. You don't have to be right on top of them at that point just "close enough".
Seeing rare relicts pass aways is always sad. So it's good to see them resurrected! :) Even if they are from the dark empire itself.
I wish I had bought a LISA back in the early 90's, when I had a chance to buy it for $300 new (as it was being sold by vendors with deep discount after it became obsolete). However, I was poor college student, so I couldn't.
Install fedora on it.
That wouldn’t be possible on a 1983 machine
are you okay
You definitely can install Microsoft XENIX on Lisa.
No one ever bought that OS for their Lisa. I wonder why...
@awethebird not with that attitude!
@@meow52190yeah, he's been asking him to make a fedora video for literal ages.
All the best to you
There are two captured screws inside the rear upper frame rail that hold down the top cover.
After Jobbs screaming at Woz about having an "enclosed" system (while they had the Apple // systems, we get this easy access machine.....Ironic. And this was Jobs "baby" so to speak.
WHEN is the world going to "admit" Jobbs FAILED, was fired, met new people and came back to Apple only to "claim" someone else's designs and call it "his" and take all the credit? Let's face it, Jobs stood on the ""shoulders" of geniuses/talented people and took the credit for it.
nuff said?
I don't think anyone ever claimed he was behind the tech itself. Woz was the engineer, Jobs was the marketing genius. He wasn't fired because he failed, but because their new Pepsi CEO convinced the board that he was too young to run a company and wanted to save money by cheaping out on everything. Which turned out to be a disaster as Apple almost went bankrupt and had to be saved by Microsoft just to keep afloat. There's no question that Jobs absolutely saved the company and made them the giant they are today, otherwise I doubt they would even exist anymore.
Lord Refa really did a number on us by releasing those caps...
3:22 Wow, DB-25 serial ports on an Apple product? I appreciate the company's innovations over the years, but sure wish it wasn't such a rare thing to see standard connection types on their machines
If you use 3d printing in your projects. What about having a look at some old 3d printing stuff? (wooden makerbots for example) I think that would be interesting.
I always wanted a Lisa. I do have a 512k Mac and Mac Portfolio (backlight) though. 😃
im not sure, but i think i may have used one in school in '91 or '92. i wouldn't be surprised if it was a different model or a unit that that looked like it as its been decades
I want an M4 Lisa. This should be the new iMac.
All these years I’ve known about the Lisa…. And this is the first time I’ve ever seen inside one
Look at all that smoke! Must use a Lucas power supply!
Imagine if I could fit in some modern ATX computer parts on that big case.
It would be the GREATEST sleeper PC... ever! :D
You are very brave.
Fun fact. Rifa caps shouldn't prevent a psu from working, theyre just safety caps. You generally can just remove them
Yeah, I don't even replace them when I take them out; they aren't necessary. It was just an FCC requirement like the ginormous RF shielding everything used to have.
@_Thrackerzod I run a restoration shop, they're cheap and it's a nice thing to say I did.
the large blue 16v caps around the coilcraft transformer/choke on the psu board look suspect i would esr check them ,the plastic on them looks to have shrunk and the tops look to be budged (they got hot)
just taking this thing apart i can tell this was way too expensive
Is the 6502 replaceable/upgradeable? With a pass-thru processor from another 6502 system, perhaps?
Or maybe never mind, I hadn't seen all of the video yet.
he needs a can of the IBM magic smoke refill
I miss how integrated computers used to look. Kind of why I still like laptops.
The Apple Lisa is rather interesting (and expensive) piece of history. As far as I know it was basically the Mac Pro of the era and the modular touches feel familiar as I had to maintain couple of cheese garter Mac Pro machines at one point. Consdering what the Apple stance is on repairibility these days the design choises stand out even more.
I haven't looked what kind of keyboard the Lisa has but I wonder what kind of swithces and keycaps those are...
that was some halloween level smoke