@@michaelharder9737 yea but this is the problem at the moment we are not doing that, as he admitted himself, none was allowed to try. Why is that ? Well if we do allow them in and they cannot make it would be a huge problem for those that claim that women can do everything a man can do. If they do make it it would be a huge problem for those that claim the opposite. So both sides are kinda scared to try. But if we lower the standards both sides could sell that to their camp, one side could say say see they make it, the other side can say see they needed to lower the standards. Both sides are happy. So I really fear this is what is going to happen. Both sides do not want to risk to piss of their camp if they can guarantee a "victory"
Scott L I say let women fight men in mma too if they want to. I just don’t want to hear complaining when 99% of women vs men matches end with the dude winning.
@@purplekitty And politicians gets their support by the ones backing them, aka people voting them into office. You can not blame one side without blaming the other, it is all connected. Tell me how politicians gets voted into office the first place, must uh be uh voting for them.
I now understand what joe means when he said "not even men can do everything men can do". I'm a marine myself, and honestly there's no way I'd make it through something like buds. Boot camp is one thing, but being able to power through broken bones and shit... No thank you
BUD/S is a very specialized program that requires a certain type of physiology that other special operations units do not. Combat diving like being a fighter pilot requires a very special body type that not everybody has. And on top of that the training is as complex as a whole as the likes of Army Special Forces and Rangers. It makes it very unique.
By lowering standards you’re admitting that you aren’t equal. Edit: why the heck is this my most popular comment and can you please stop arguing about whatever you’re arguing about. Thanks in advance.
Even if they do meet the standards which are not lowered, they are still toast. Theres a reason why they were not allowed in the first place. I came across an interview of a female marine who said that women should not be allowed because training is so rigorous that it caused her to lose her fertility! Its upto them now. If they are willing to take such risks just for the sake of some politically correct agenda, let them go ahead with it.
@@LawsonShawn90 Hey equal opportunity and we each get to decide what we want to do with our lives. If some crazy woman wants to become a Navy Seal and passes the test there is nothing wrong with that. The only issue is if they make the test easier which beyond being incredibly stupid is also sexist.
@@kristianbasile7141 All I'm saying is there's no point of equal opportunity if it ends up killing you. Secondly, if you still want it, then by all means, please go ahead, its your life after all.
"Women are gonna feel you're a sexist You should lie!" Probably the thing every man tells himself many times a day but our boi Joe spoke that out loud!!!
Considering he called Rhonda Rousey "the greatest fighter ever regardless of gender", I'd consider hopping of his feminazi placating cock a lil bit there, sport.
I’m a woman and I wholeheartedly think the standards should stay the same and if whoever person can do it than great- male/female. No coddling. So irritating. This is life and death stuff.
Problem is that they're eventually always lowered. Women are allowed in, yet none make it. That's "sexist", so what happens? They lower the standards. Look at the SAS for proof of that.
As a millennial woman, and sister to a retired SEAL....10000% agree. The standard is the standard, whoever can qualify should be allowed in, but if you don’t tough shit.
Agreed. You have to be able to do these things because it could be life or death out there. Your life and others are on the line. There’s nothing wrong if you’re not that quality that’s the point of the training. They need that quality and frankly there’s tons of men who can’t even reach that brass ring. Let alone look like at it.
I agree, but you have to remember that 80% of military roles are support, not actual combat. You don't need to be doing 20 mile ruck marches for a desk job analyzing air traffic. A consensus could be cutoff standards that fit the conditions of the job, with no extra coddling to forcibly 'diversify.' SEALs meet SEAL standards, infantry meets infantry standards, deskies meet deskie standards.
I swear everyone who thinks you have “the right to serve” must have never watched an army show or been through a basic aptitude test. You physically have to be capable of this job. You can’t just want it. It has to want you.
@@seriwilliamhansseneka5346 (not) sorry to say, but mental strength won't save you when you're retreating against enemy fire while needing to carry your gear and equipment that weighs a fuckton, and also carry a wounded troop to safety with his equipment on top of that, all the while your physique isn't helping you not crumble like a fucking crouton.
When I went to BUD/S I didn’t prepare enough for the stress of running. I got shin splints in pre-BUD/S and pretty much had to just deal with it throughout BUD/S until my legs finally adapted around third phase. Many guys who got shin splints way later than me developed stress fractures and most of them didn’t make it. A couple years after I made it through training there was an opportunity for the guys in the teams to do a DEXA scan. The result showed that my bone density was in the 99th percentile meaning I was in the top 1% of men with high bone density which explains why my bones were able to withstand the stress of running with shin splints which puts additional stress on your legs. I have no doubt that my bone density prevented many injuries that I wasn’t even aware of that you can’t really prepare for. Sure a female runner is not going to get shin splints in BUD/S but her lower bone density, weaker immune system etc will likely prevent her from staying healthy. A woman who is a better runner and a swimmer than a man might look like a better candidate but no amount of specific training regimen is going to bring her body up to speed compared to a man. She’s going to need a lot of gear and even that’s not likely to work because taking gear causes damage to your body and you need to be a very healthy person to get through BUD/S.
I joined the army when I was 35 and I told them I want to have the same standards of the 18 yr olds or it’s not really accomplishment for me . I did really well top 20 in the company. That’s also sad these kids today aren’t built like us older guys who grew up playing sports n being outdoors all day I had a great time as a kid miss those days
Hi, I’m a woman in her 20s and I’m training to become a U.S. Navy SEAL. I’m a civilian and I want to go enlisted. What advice would you give for women that want to be SEALs? If you had to go to BUD/S again, how would you prepare differently? What books or workout programs would you recommend? Most female SEAL candidates struggle with carrying the boats and logs, doing pull ups, having grip strength and completing the “Dirty Name” on the obstacle course. Also, a lot of female SEAL candidates break their legs or develop stress fractures.
@@Anonymous18817 Women are not going to make it through BUD/S. Your body and mind get tested at the most primal level and we live in a world today that preaches that women and men are the same which is absolutely false. I’m not going to tell you not to do it but I can tell you without a shadow of a doubt that first phase will break you psychologically and physically and not in the cliche way you hear all the time. I have seen plenty of elite female athletes who are good at one thing they specialize at but they’re below average at other physical capabilities compared to average men. If you have to find out for yourself go do it but if you fail there will be a price to pay.
I think they SHOULD remove the restriction against women and stop there. If a woman can do the same test and pass, she's special, she deserves to be there. Don't lower standards to let more in though, it compromises the force you have.
No. Every male occupation that allows women in is eventually forced to lower the standards and take extremely subpar women in when none of them make it. It's opening up a can of worms.
@@americanpig-dog7051 I want to agree with the original poster. Morally he is correct, same standards for all would be fair. In reality every time this happens, what you said comes true. It is the only way to let in a larger group of women, to make it "look" more even. Can't have those tough questions like: "Why are only three Navy Seals women?!" Muh diversity!
I read a memoir about a Navy SEAL going overseas before and during his military career. He explained with a lot of detail what happens during Hell Week... I thought to myself, "Ha, no thank you! Men can try. I'm staying home with the kids" 🤣
And I think most women will agree. As you see here it's ALWAYS men complaining about how women want standards lowered when we never even see women asking for that.
Yeah i agree! This is not a sport where you simply put females with males. This is life and death. If my husband is gonna go out there risking his life then there sure as hell be alongside the best of the best. This is not a game. Going to war! people actually dies! you don't lower the standards of training just to get more diversity. If a woman pass the test then sure let he through. But you don't lower the standards in order to make her pass the test. Theres alot of lives on the line here.
I would love to see a woman make it through BUDS. That individual would be the most fascinating and impressive female specimen that our modern society has ever seen.
even olympic athletes fail to make it to seal teams even an avg trained men cant it to make to special forces wht makes u think women can ?only an amaznion can pass thetest
The Navy convened a Board consisting of senior enlisted and senior officers, mostly women around 2013 or 2014. The topic, BUDS standards for women. In a nearly unanimous vote the board voted to require women to meet men's standards. The only dissenting votes were from men. My old Master Chief sat this board, she said the female enlisted board members (who made up the majority of the board) had no intention of tarnishing the mission effectiveness of the SEALs by lowering standards for women.
@@hunterkai6772 ain a fist fight the rock wins if you he other person is a 98 lb female with a gun she wins..like I said most combat these days is from a distance
We had a woman in our unit deploy to afghan, she couldn't do the job resulting in their team been gated to camp. So we were a EOD team down all tour. Searching for IEDs 9 hours straight carrying 50+kg of kit, she was trying to do the job with effectively herself on her back. The only reason she was sent was for PR she made it onto the papers for being a searcher which she wasn't.
Right! If they need to lower the standards then it will just make the men weaker and then it will start to be considered rude to outperform the women. They only want this because they are so starved of genuine affection and respect from their fathers and/or husbands. Motherhood is seen as pathetic and as a low accomplishment, as if children would learn to grow up on thier own without any parental support, guidance, and nurturing and love. But people only think that because it makes sense, having seen the state raise thier kids 8 hours a day.
@@dentonet2 you replying to comments where no mentioned they should lower the standard genuine affection? father/mothers motherhood, man, that some straw man argument bullshit
We lowered standards for in the Marines. Do the men that went through the higher standards trust them to do their jobs as infantry women? Nope...sounds sexist, but having seen the struggle of these women putting their injured combat dressed brothers on their shoulder or trying to pull them just ends in tragedy. That mindset of not believing your combat companions can do their job is a scary and unnecessary addition to the situations at hand.
@Pam Baker you would have tried and failed. no women can and will ever get into the navy seals or marine Raiders as well as Delta unless it's the G squad delta who don't see combat aka the funny platoon
Today I was at a conference and it was a board interview. The board was composed of 2 women and 2 men, the moderator (a female) said it was nice to see balance. My first thought was, do we really care for balance or do we want competence? I couldn't care less if this board was exclusively male or female till they are competent I am happy with that. I think this is very relevant in our today's society where people DARE to promote diversity (in gender and sexual orientation, as if it was important to get the job done) over competence. It's sick and the symptom of a society that is suffering from idiocracy.
I never said they haven't. I'm saying that they shouldn't have. The idea is that they are select and picky about the troops that fight for our country. Just because they have changed some things, doesn't mean they should have. As soon as we start bending to the will of people's feelings, the easier we will bend to the will of the enemy.
@@jobertsworld35 Please tell me an example of where they lowered a standard and it wasn't a good decision. If they lower the standard there is probably a reason, but I'm sure you know more than the generals and recruiters making and enforcing the rules because it sounds really good to say on the internet You last sentence is literraly mesningless
Well for starters, it's probably not smart to put someone on the front lines who spent their lives popping adderall and antidepressants, and cant be happy with themselves, let alone figure out which bathroom to use. That's a liability and a dangerous thing when you're so indecisive and opposed to authority.
Equal opportunity demands equal efficiency. I would absolutely love to see a woman that rises to this inhumane standard! And I’d be absolutely horrified to meet her
@@trequoras for SF worldwide, obviously a reality check fail on your part. I guess you have not bothered to actually check? Public sources would be enough.
Don't lower the test. If a woman makes it through, don't make a big deal of her, all it means is that she is as capable as her battle brothers. Which is something expected of any man in the unit. It may be exceptional for a female, but her being female isn't important, being seal material is important.
But combat effectiveness shouldn't matter as long as a woman FEELS accepted and comfortable in her role, even if she's had to cheat to get into the same position as a man! (sarcasm)
Chaos Burrito wow you’re an idiot lmfao I didn’t say women can’t do pull-ups I said most can’t (which is true) and yes a woman would have to be a genetic freak to pass the navy seals tests your fucking moron.
That's not how the loud people on both sides view it sadly. On one hand you have the idiots that want to lower standards just to let women in for diversity's sake, not realizing that will get people killed. On the other hand you have the idiots who say that it's a boy's club and no girls allowed regardless of their capabilities because they don't want cooties. These are the mouthpieces of both sides.
As a woman I hate the idea of lowering the standards for ANYTHING to allow women in. It's like saying we are 'less than'. Allow us to EARN it just like the men. We have our differences and I am so grateful for the men who run the seals. They are extremely bad ass and keep us all safe. Thank you
@@garrettvaughn3086 not at all, her point is that women have the right to earn a position in the army but it isnt about that, is about having strong capable soldiers, so why somebody who cant carry a 120kg man wants to join in the first place?, war is not a game
@@JesusChrist-vq6lk and seems you just want to sound inclusive and "woke", i dont feel safe with "Emmas" defending our borders, im sure there are roles where women can excel in the army, but fighting isnt one of them
Just like how they lowered standards for fire fighting....if I'm trapped in a burning house I want the 6 foot 4 ex football player not the gal who just barely passed
You do realise there are men that barely pass too, right? I think what you mean is you don't want someone unqualified to do a job, and I agree... no need to bring sex into it tho. If a women is fit and capable, why can't she be a firefighter?
I don't really care who pulls me out of a burning building, but in my 35 years of life I'm not sure I've ever met a single woman who could put on 50lbs of firefighting gear, climb a ladder, lift 200lbs of floppy unconscious man off the floor and onto her shoulder, and carry him back down a ladder. But if she exists, then I have no problem with her being a firefighter. They should just have to meet the same standards as men to do the same job. I got nothing against women, but I don't care to die for "diversity".
You're 6'4", 240-pound Marine, and you're injured, and you need a Marine next to you to carry you back to safety, and the Marine next to you is a 5'4" woman who weighs 115 pounds. It's relevant."
Gregory Kalinousky I spent every ruck literally carrying the girl behind me and she still fell out every time, whereas if I fell out for any reason I had to talk to the Captain. This shit is lunacy and one of the reasons I got out. It’s a fuckin joke
The average Marine is not 6'4 240lbs. Watching too many movies or playing too many games. But even a guy 5'9 175 is going to be hard to drag for a 5'4 130 woman who is fatigued from battle.
Okay but hypothetically the type of women that would be in this situation probably aren’t average or 5’4” and 115 lbs. It’s not like they all come in one size or that every Marine is that size.
“And the people who want to prove it are the ones that are not in the ring.” - Perfect summary of people who shout for equality but have no idea what they are actually talking about.
Having kills doesn’t mean shit. Any crazy taliban member can fire an RPG into a crowd of the enemy and get 100 kills. We’re talking about enduring the tests to become a Seal.
Absolutely nailed it. That 1 sentence is the exact situation perfectly summed up. No woman wants to do that and frankly neither do most men. Its ridiculous how far this bullshit has gone, it needs to be stopped before people start getting killed
I’m all for women in positions in the military, so long as they can fill those positions as good or better than the men in them. There are plenty of women who do just that. Most don’t though- at least in the combat arms side of things. That’s where my experience is. I’ve been in for 8 years now, so I’ve really experienced the shift in lowering standards for women, for the sake of political correctness. Any woman who is truly for equal opportunity and cares about those they’re serving with, should not want standards lowered. You can’t have honest pride knowing something was given to you more easily than another marine, soldier, airman, etc. Whether you’re a man or woman, that’s applicable to everyone.
Nice one liner, but as for SF in general world wide, essentialy seems to be a fail on reality check. What do you base your view on? GI Jane...? (its both fictional and very dated, is it not). Look up what soldiers in other SF units says nowadays and you might get surpised. They ARE 'in the ring' and the call the shots on what they need. As far as I can see, they didn't lower their standard, but increased their potential with a variation of assets.
@@ghanaboyz it helps to have diverse assets. Situation dictates. I had some buddies get recruited for Delta, and they said Delta is big on recruiting for current needs. Brainy, nerdy soldiers were being recruited because Delta had a need for it at that time. Wasn’t your cookie cutter killer they were going after. But that being said, diversity doesn’t always make things better. Again, situation dictates.
I experienced the lower standards first hand with "Lioness" teams in Afghanistan. No one got hurt, thankfully, but us male infantry Marines were put in danger several times when the Lioness' were in situations they couldn't handle. The image of female military running towards the gate away from gunfire as we were running out the gate towards gunfire is forever burned in my mind.
Same brother. We had FETS for a couple days and the moment shit got shady (like pot shots from 800 meters away for maybe 30 seconds) or some sporadic rockets that landed 400 meters outside the line, they popped smoke and went back to Dwyer.
Brandish you do realize that Democrats occupy about 80% of the spectrum and the ones you complain about only occupy the far far left of that spectrum...so stop looking at just the party but at what the person him/herself is actually about. Plus if a Republican knows he/she can win an election by doing something like this you better be sure they’ll do it. A moron is a moron don’t matter which party they represent.
@Cindy Evans The OP EXPLICITLY SAID "Not surprising with a 99% drop out rate." You know what that means, right? Because your reply, reiterating what the OP said suggests you should...but THAT you just reiterated what he said, suggests you don't understand it at all.
The odds of you completing SEAL training are not favorable: 1 in 4. Each year, about 1,000 recruits make it to SEAL training. About 250 complete their training and join approximately 2,000 more active SEALs, who work among nine active duty teams. Some SEAL candidates choose to drop out of the program, and some are forced out. Candidates who fail to complete training are reclassified to other jobs in the Navy. Lowering the standards should be an insult to anyone that wants to truly accomplish such a calling.
The failure statistics themselves pretty much eliminate every excuse to not allow women to have a shot at BUDS. Hold them to the same standard and see how they do. Or are people afraid that some of these women will actually make it?
@@Primenumber19 As an Afro-American I find it a bit insulting that so many SJW "identity politics" players just for the sake of political expediency, are jumping on the bandwagon, pretty much usurping & riding the back of black civil rights movement. Please understand that it has already been said and "cited" in this video and by others with combat experience, have shown proof that No Women have passed the testing or rigorous training for these special military units. And for the few who did manage to get through the training for other similar types of units, there was a mandate to lower the training standards in order to satisfy political correctness policy. But, some of you guys or gals (I don't know?) keep commenting over & over "what if" if they pass? If, if, if? The whole point is that they don't! This is for the same obvious reasons that women & men do not compete in most high level professional sports together? This has nothing to do with discrimination, oppression or any other SJW identity politics "isums". One more thing, again... It really bugs me when so many groups try to pull the "race card" and the "card" ain't even theirs to pull while riding the backs of civil rights. (But that's a whole other topic). Ok_ Think with common sense logic and not so much emotional rhetoric.... Why for many thousands of years through human history that women, for the most part, have not significantly participated directly in organized nation state military combat? The answer is simple and not complicated if you choose to see the truth of facts in life and human physiology. The only thing that makes a bit of difference is our advances in modern technology. However, human beings are still the same as they always have been throughout history and are likely to remain so for quite some time. This can only make sense to you if you are grounded in reality and not some ideological "Hollywood movie" fantasy world.
@@vickmurray5751 I’m sorry are you under the impression that combat is only holding a gun and running rough terrain? Or to join the seals or rangers? And are you insinuating that if women can’t qualify for seals or elite tier special forces they are somehow useless in combat or the armed forces? Women can’t be pilots? Women can’t operate complicated machinery? Women can’t drive transports? Women can’t fire artillery or call in the right coordinates for air strikes? As for why women haven’t participated in wars you are wrong. You are obviously no student of history so I recommend you go read a book. Vikings had shield maddens, Japanese women were samurai and trained for combat they just didn’t carry the two swords, the most famous battle commander in history is Joan d arc, the list goes on and currently the best trained fighting forces in the Middle East are all female units. But don’t let your lack of education stop a good story rooted in idiocy. Logically speaking I see no reason why anyone who wants to fight for their country can’t. The armed forces is a huge thing and there is room for everyone. And also let’s stop lying to ourselves that to be good at modern war you have to be huge and macho, the way things are going being a tiny nerd good at drone piloting is more important.
Don’t know anything about Trevor. But he strikes me as the team guy who would take the time to pull young guys aside and have the “hey man” correction conversation.
I’ve been a Tom-boy my whole life, Crossfit coach, and martial arts trained. But there is not one cell of my body that feels threatened or reduced by the fact that men are WAY superior in some things than I’ll ever be. The idea that “we are equal” is about as stupid as saying men have periods. At my very best, I couldn’t come close to the men I trained with unless it was body-weight gymnastic movements like pull-ups (yes, I could own the men on kipping pull-ups, and also lunges, burpees, squats, etc. I was better on endurance than some, but the guys who ran marathons owned me. Women might call me a traitor, but I coached too many people to try to say men aren’t all around better. And it’s not only physical. A man’s mind is better able to compartmentalize their emotions or reactions in co flirt than women. Sorry again. It’s true. Testosterone inhibits oxytocin, which means men don’t get all squishy in the heart about something the same. I’m not saying all. My friend is a forensic chemist and ran the homicide lab in my county, and she could put aside the fucking most horrible things to do her job. Once o told her I would always be consumed with why, why would someone kill their own child? Why would someone stab a woman to death and keep her in a freezer for years. This is what she said-I don’t think about why they do it. I focus on getting enough evidence so they can’t do it again. Bad-ass. But not exactly an athlete. I love men. I love that they rush into danger when I’d run like a bitch. I love that they are strong and protective. I love that they protect the country. The one thing I think women can do just as well or better is sniping. My firearms instructor even told me that women shoot better than men. Now, if I was put in a bell tower with a rifle, I could do some damage. It would be a problem getting me there though. Even in video games I make my son walk me to the safe spot before I shoot. It’s too scary to walk around when everybody is shooting at me. Men and women should not compete. We can’t. We should do what we do best and let the other one do the same.
Generally, ignoring the unusual, women are better at sustained focus. That likely includes sniping, spying, some factory and admin jobs, managerial jobs with limited resources and a clear goal.
Really one of the best comments I've read on here, you explained everything… I didn't bother going in-depth like you... I just made a #SendMeBackToTheKitchen joke. LoL 8P
@@kda3113 That is a fair point to keep in mind. However, these guys were outliers and I did emphasize 'generally'. Men occupy the positions for top performance but not necessarily the positions for good performance in mundane work. Most positions for sowing, nursing, accounting (non-managerial), archiving, secretariat, admin work are occupied by women.
Serena Williams who were the former rank 1 women's single tennis player, bragged about how she could defeat any man in the top rank 200. She lost badly during the "Battle of The Sexes" in 1998 to a rank 203 player, Karsten Braasch and the guy was just done playing golf and drinking cold beers and he was a rank +600 player few months prior and he even stated that he played like a rank +500 to keep the game "fun" so it wasn't a one sided massacre, not only that, he also defeated her sister Venus Williams, also a former rank 1, *now think about that and this situation.*
@@jthreefingers8445 Not sure if videos, but here's a Wiki excerpt: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Sexes_(tennis)#1998:_Karsten_Braasch_vs._the_Williams_sisters Apparently it was 6-1 vs Serena and 6-2 vs Venus.
Story for ya. For context, I'm a retired USAF ARFF Firefighter. Firefighting can be extremely difficult, yet generally speaking nowhere near the constant hell a Navy Seal goes thru. I heard the Miami-Dade Cty FD was hiring, I drove up to apply, the Captain laughed at me! Told me I didn't have a prayer of being hired because I'm a white man! But if my wife applied she'd most likely get hired. So, along with 3500 other women, she applied. 1st thing was showing up on time, dozens of women self-eliminated by being late. 2nd was a 5 station modified FF combat challenge course, 40 lb. Hotel pack carry up a 5 story tower, 40 lb Dounut roll raise to the 4th fl. via a 1" hemp rope then lift the hose roll over a 44" high ledge. 3rd was the Kaiser sled, using an 8 lb dead blow shot mallet with zero rebound drive a 200 lb steel block 5 ft. 4th was 150 lb dummy drag for 100 ft. 5th was 1-3/4 charged hoseline drag for 100 ft. All while wearing a 25 lb. weighted vest and structural firefighting gloves. They had 7 minutes to finish. 96% failed. So they lowered the standards by placing a pallet on the ground in front of the 4th fl. window lowering the height to 39". 96% failed again. The standards were lowered again by increasing the time to 8 minutes. Enough women passed to make up a couple of recruit classes. Dozens more failed the civil service exam, the background check, the oral interview, and/or were late. At the end they had 40 women to send to the 3-1/2 month FF 1 course. At the end of the class there were 2! After the 1-yr probationary period there was 1 operational firefighter, the other 1 failed to pass EMT-B, but since her uncle was a deputy chief she wasn't fired, they moved her into dispatch. The next year they allowed all 3500 who failed to test again, with the same results. There's a damned good reason sports organizations are segregated by sex!
Similarly, there's a theory in the psychology community that the campaign to get girls into STEM is driving girls away. They are being told how women are harassed and ostracized in those fields, so girls go for career paths that don't involve being lonely and miserable. The perception of the campaign is a bunch of feminists that got gender studies degrees telling others to be the actual force for change and bear the real burden. The irony is that women would have a lot of opportunities over men in those fields just from diversity initiatives.
Let me share a shocking fact: Men and women are different. Let me share another one: We don’t have to be equally good in the same stuff. *corrected a typo.
As a woman (who is a stay at home mom, so I probably don't "count" because I'm giving in to the patriarchy), being a Navy SEAL is probably the last thing I would want and the last thing that I would do well at.
You do count. You are raising the next generation, not giving into the patriarchy. Fck what the woke crowd thinks, I admire your choice and it holds a precious responsibility
I am a girl that wants to be a navy seal so I'm a bit confused about Trevors logic behind saying that women just don't want the job. Has he done a survey or..?
I'm U.S. Army retired, spent 17 years in SOF, and I remember toward the end of my career having to attend "sensitivity training", when I brought up the different standards for physical fitness Army wide between men and women all the excuses in the world came out, but no real, valid justification, the same has been happening in various SOF schools and units since then. Politicians in uniform and elected office are to blame for such things IMHO, as well as the death toll exacted in the name of supposed "fairness or diversity".
@Pam Baker I'm all for fairness, but throughout my career and beyond I saw examples of people being placed in military jobs they couldn't do for various reasons, this can result in their death and the death of those they work with in combat in many cases. As far as I'm concerned there should be a PT standard that is MOS based, although everyone should be trained as infantry, something akin to the way Marines do it would be nice IMHO.
@Pam Baker "what if a female could accomplish the same end result...the same mission objective in a different way, without using the same tried and true SOF methods? Would that be valuable? Would you be open to considering that there might be a different way to do things?" When it comes to physicality, that's a mans job, ...we're talking about the best of the best, most men don't make the cut. Group dynamics, periods, and war rape......combat is not for women
Hi, I’m a woman in her 20s and I’m training to become a U.S. Navy SEAL. I’m a civilian and I want to go enlisted. What advice would you give for women that want to be SEALs? If you had to go to BUD/S again, how would you prepare differently? What books or workout programs would you recommend? Most female SEAL candidates struggle with carrying the boats and logs, doing pull ups, having grip strength and completing the “Dirty Name” on the obstacle course. Also, a lot of female SEAL candidates break their legs or develop stress fractures.
I am a woman and I don’t feel the need to be “equal” by letting women navigate buds. I especially don’t agree with any part of the military that modifies standards to accommodate us. If you can’t do the job of the men that have come before you, I wouldn’t want you at my side.
If a female Seal ever got captured, she's going to be a 24-hour rape-sickle for every enemy soldier in camp. She has to be cool with that happening-because if she's captured, it will absolutely happen.
In Canada women can apply for selection and get into JTF2 (Canada's version of the Delta) but none have passed or even taken the course that we know of.
The USMC $36 Million dollar study on Female Infantry: Within the research at the Infantry Training Battalion, females undergoing that entry-level training were injured at more than SIX-times the rate of their male counterparts 27% of female injuries were attributed to the task of movement under load, compared to 13% for their male counterparts, carrying a similar load. During the GCEITF assessment, musculoskeletal injury rates were 40.5% for females, compared to 18.8% for males All-male 0311 (rifleman) infantry squads had better accuracy compared to gender-integrated squads. There was a notable difference between genders for every individual weapons system (i.e. M4, M27, and M203) within the 0311 squads, except for the probability of hit & near miss with the M2. Male provisional infantry (those with no formal Infantry school training) had higher hit percentages after movement to contact than the 0311 (school trained) females: M4: 44% vs 28%, M27: 38% vs 25%, M16A4w/M203: 26% vs 15%. Accuracy diminishes with fatigue. All-male infantry crew-served weapons teams engaged targets quicker and registered more hits on target as compared to gender-integrated infantry crew-served weapons teams, with the exception of M2 accuracy. All-male squads, teams and crews and gender-integrated squads, teams, and crews had a noticeable difference in their performance of the basic combat tasks of negotiating obstacles and evacuating casualties. For example, when negotiating the wall obstacle, male Marines threw their packs to the top of the wall, whereas female Marines required regular assistance in getting their packs to the top. During casualty evacuation assessments, there were notable differences in execution times between all-male and gender-integrated groups, except in the case where teams conducted a casualty evacuation as a one-Marine fireman's carry of another (in which case it was most often a male Marine who "evacuated" the casualty). All-male squads, regardless of infantry MOS, were faster than the gender-integrated squads in each tactical movement. The differences were more pronounced in infantry crew-served weapons (such as Machine Guns) specialties that carried the assault load plus the additional weight of crew-served weapons and ammunition.
Men have denser bones and denser muscles there didn’t need to spend 36 million. Fucking stupid besides it should be open if they want to let em anyone who can make it out is a certified badass.
@@zraybroske2416 Ahh affirmative racism. Remember when you could look at a doctor of any color and be confident they were held up to the same standards?
Well that’s blacks/minorities and college degrees. It also applies to the work force like cops, firefighters and everything else. It doesn’t matter if you are white and more qualified. Same thing is happening in the military with the PC and all inclusive movement.
It is a FACT that women CAN get trough special forces training. You are ignorant, I litterally saw it first handed that a woman could handle the tests where a lot of elite strenght and conditioning men failed. The woman was 1 of the 6 people that finished the test. You are somewhat playing victim here like people labeled your "facts" sexist.
I am not offended. I want the most Bada$$ exceptional humans in charge of my protection and that of our country. Man or Woman. Do not lower the standards, if they can make it, then cool!
Whenever this is the topic, it’s always a GI Jane image. Always. The idea of lowering standards for inclusivity is innately prejudice. You can’t have it both ways. Men and women are not equal, nor will we ever be. There’s so much beauty in that; it’s outrageous there’s such an offensive and twisted perspective instead of realizing the truth in our nature.
Just leave it as is and open to who ever is qualified. Just like some try and fail. Let whoever do the same. Got me remembering full metal jacket and the girl sniper.
@Christian Lopez It's an equitable inequality. It's not at all that they're less. Just different. It doesn't help anyone to enable the small group of men and women insisting at everyone else's expense that it's otherwise.
@@NaniiRey And if a woman CAN fucking do it (there will be one or two who can), then lowering the standards just means no one will believe she was up to it and will blame her for the standards having been lowered. Let her try, but don't change the standards at all. She's pass or she'll fail.
Feminism = "We are so equal to men, that we need the standards of entry on highly difficult career choices to be lowered because we can't be expected to meet the male standard."
@@JOHNNY-zx1lc terrorists prefer punching over shooting you u never knew? Jk idk ppl just love this quote and I swear I've seen It in every comment section like this where it dosent even make sence but pre great quote tho
@@JOHNNY-zx1lc and everyone else on this comment you're thinking to literal, think outside the box for once, its a metaphor, meaning you all want to become something (navy seal) until its crunch time and you have to put in the work, then its wooo wait I have to put effort into this?
Bad idea. Because if a woman gets in, she will mess with the chemistry and men will act different around her. Navy SEALs should be men only, if a woman makes it trough, she will still be weaker than the men, and as I said, duck up how men behave. There’s another video about an actual Navy SEAL talking about this
@@ProudOne this is sexism. If the men can’t control themselves around 1 woman in their ranks, then they are not qualified enough to be a navy seal. The idea that a woman is driving a group of men mad is some misogynistic shit.
@@jessicashearon4474 no, it’s the truth. They can keep their shit together but a woman will mess with them cause of them wanting to mate. Not specifically with her but it messes up the chemistry. Many Navy SEALs say this themselves. And she will still not be as strong as the rest of the navy seals
@@jessicashearon4474 and I never said “can’t control themselves around 1 woman” I only said they’d behave different which is true, so don’t come here with ur sexism trying to deny facts
I have heard seal budds and sas selection described. Seal selection buddy sounds very hard. But I think sas selection actually sounds harder. Psychologically harder!
My cousin served with the Royal Marines, which no woman has ever qualified for. He then served with the SBS (the naval equivalent of the SAS), which most Royal Marines couldn't qualify for. The only way a woman ever qualifies for a serious special forces unit is if they drastically lower the requirements, and then they wouldn't be serious or special which defeats the entire purpose.
My mom was an olympic qualifier in the triathlon in college, then was a MP in the army, followed by 25 years in law enforcement. She’s been an incredible example of what women are capable of. That being said, I’ve never met a female who can go toe to toe with a man. Pound for pound its not even close.
@@superdutyzack There are some situations where working smarter is better than working harder. But that isn't always the case. Sometimes you just need to brute force the situation
Also, it happens to Olympic gold meddle women twice hockey twice. And let us not mention Serena and her sister blow out to a ranked 200 tennis player guy who 3 months later ranked down to 300.
Not fair! They should lower the standards for "giving birth" so men can do it too! Maybe if I change some dirty diapers it should count as giving birth?
Being in the fire department in Sydney Australia, a mate of mine had a female firefighter standby at his station. Being near 60 he use to drive the pumper pretty often. He’d done the hard yards. Anyway, they get called to a building alight with persons reported. The driver operates the pump and as he’s getting it ready, the female firefighter just stood there. He said,”hurry up and get your air set on, there’s people reported”. She turned to him and said, “I’ve got three kids at home I can’t go in there”. He asked if she could operate the pump and when she said she could, he got his air set on and went inside. When I told some senior officers this, they asked if “he had reported it”. I just laughed. True story.
Thats why american fire fighters dont have two different sets of standards. One set of requirements period. Every woman I have served with would never do this. Looks like you aussies need to re evaluate your standards. Could be why you are short handed for wild fires.
Had the gas pipes changed today at my house. 7 am outside my window 2 guys digging not talking. All i heard was loud gasbagging on the ohone about the weekend. Some chick next to my window blabbing away ffs, woke me up, i just lost my job yestersy went outside and said can u keep the noise down, the bitch glared at me i siad obviously youre not working but taking the same cash as these blokes. The boys laughed as wpshe walked away. Oz is turning into fkin dump.
Deerjaw Williams not everywhere in America unfortunately. Look up the story of the FDNY chick. She went out early with a back injury during training or something. My fire buddies were all complaining about it.
Well, that's what happens to every nation where Liberal politics thrive. It's a self defeating mindset and world view. Just look at American cities with extremely so-called "Progressive" views. They are falling apart under the weight if poverty and inflation and homelessness.
I recruited SEAL. We had to get the best athletes under 26 (I think that was the age if not close to it) Dudes that were captain of the swim team and the best cross country runner in the school district. Plus have a 3.0 gpa. Then I went to presentation at SEAL school and I remember they said only about 15% of those dudes make it thru. We send top tier athletes and that little make it thru.
If you relax the standards to make it easier for ANYONE to make it in you increasing the chances of them and everyone else in their unit getting killed. Your team can only fully trust you and have full confidence in you when they know you went through the exact same training they did so that they know you know exactly what they know. The training is so extensive and thought you never have to second guess what your teammates are going to do. Hesitation can get you killed.
@Ammon Herrera LOL Psychology is anything BUT the softest or farcical science out there XD. Clinical psychologists (Jordan Peterson is one of them) help couples that are about to divorce, drug addicts, and people who wrecked their lives to heal their trauma and advance in life. Just hearing the stuff they help people with (e.g. sexual assault, harrassement, childhood abuse etc.) would tramautize a normal human being. Jordan is also not "pampered" in any way, he had a rough upbringing as a kid and was physically small through school. I believe I remember him saying he was bullied for this. You clearly do not know the facts about science or people unlike Jordan Peterson who does XD
The radical feminism bs and identity politics is the core of weakness and why Russia and China are beating out USA in most academia . It’s basically the ‘jack of all trades master if none ‘ syndrome taken to the utmost level when trying to make everyone equal as opposed to developing a persons unique strengths and talents .
If a woman can pass then let her in , just don’t change it to make it easier for her.
Exactly, this is about the ability to do a job. If she can do the job, we let her do the job.
@@michaelharder9737 yea but this is the problem at the moment we are not doing that, as he admitted himself, none was allowed to try. Why is that ? Well if we do allow them in and they cannot make it would be a huge problem for those that claim that women can do everything a man can do. If they do make it it would be a huge problem for those that claim the opposite. So both sides are kinda scared to try. But if we lower the standards both sides could sell that to their camp, one side could say say see they make it, the other side can say see they needed to lower the standards. Both sides are happy. So I really fear this is what is going to happen. Both sides do not want to risk to piss of their camp if they can guarantee a "victory"
The fitness standard for females are much lower today in the armed forces than a man.
Bullshit! This isn’t an experiment. Same reason women don’t fight men in the MMA...
Scott L I say let women fight men in mma too if they want to. I just don’t want to hear complaining when 99% of women vs men matches end with the dude winning.
If a female can’t meet the same standards that are already in place, they shouldn’t be a Seal. It’s only going to put the entire team in danger
Respect to you.
Tell the others.
Johnny Five I can see a lot of you morons didn’t hear the part where it’s politicians that are pushing for it not women.
You just heard the training was in place since the 60s and it clearly didn't have women in mind. Use logical sense.
AbraRf *Shrimp dick alert 🍤 * That coming from dude with a little anime girl as your banner...
@@purplekitty And politicians gets their support by the ones backing them, aka people voting them into office. You can not blame one side without blaming the other, it is all connected. Tell me how politicians gets voted into office the first place, must uh be uh voting for them.
"The people who want to prove it, aren't the ones in the ring" - on point, man 👌
I now understand what joe means when he said "not even men can do everything men can do". I'm a marine myself, and honestly there's no way I'd make it through something like buds. Boot camp is one thing, but being able to power through broken bones and shit... No thank you
BUD/S is a very specialized program that requires a certain type of physiology that other special operations units do not.
Combat diving like being a fighter pilot requires a very special body type that not everybody has. And on top of that the training is as complex as a whole as the likes of Army Special Forces and Rangers. It makes it very unique.
Playing videogames about Battlefields doesn't make you a marine.
@@remiremsar5946 alright man
@@remiremsar5946 go make sandwiches.
I think you're underestimating yourself.
By lowering standards you’re admitting that you aren’t equal.
Edit: why the heck is this my most popular comment and can you please stop arguing about whatever you’re arguing about. Thanks in advance.
Even if they do meet the standards which are not lowered, they are still toast. Theres a reason why they were not allowed in the first place. I came across an interview of a female marine who said that women should not be allowed because training is so rigorous that it caused her to lose her fertility! Its upto them now. If they are willing to take such risks just for the sake of some politically correct agenda, let them go ahead with it.
@@LawsonShawn90 Hey equal opportunity and we each get to decide what we want to do with our lives. If some crazy woman wants to become a Navy Seal and passes the test there is nothing wrong with that. The only issue is if they make the test easier which beyond being incredibly stupid is also sexist.
@@kristianbasile7141 All I'm saying is there's no point of equal opportunity if it ends up killing you. Secondly, if you still want it, then by all means, please go ahead, its your life after all.
@@LawsonShawn90 She prolly took roids just to keep up. Smh
Roses are red
Violets are blue
Dont lower the standards
Imagine lower the standards to be an eye surgeon.
Blind surgeons can now operate on eyes cause "muh discrimination". Fking stupid shit the West is going through.
Or just a surgeon in general "oops sorry i just removed the wrong leg"
I'm sorry, but I just can't see your point
@@tano99999 is that Because you are a blind surgeon?
Silly comments lol they don't lower standards for eye surgeons because they are equal.lol
"The people that want to prove it aren't in the ring."
*FACTS*
"Women are gonna feel you're a sexist
You should lie!"
Probably the thing every man tells himself many times a day but our boi Joe spoke that out loud!!!
Really? Cause I think he sounded stupid..🥴🙄
true
Considering he called Rhonda Rousey "the greatest fighter ever regardless of gender", I'd consider hopping of his feminazi placating cock a lil bit there, sport.
@@SupernaturalLove100 Found the dumb easily offended woman 😂
its boy. or you can say man, buy def not boi, w/e the **** that is
I’m a woman and I wholeheartedly think the standards should stay the same and if whoever person can do it than great- male/female. No coddling. So irritating. This is life and death stuff.
Problem is that they're eventually always lowered. Women are allowed in, yet none make it. That's "sexist", so what happens? They lower the standards. Look at the SAS for proof of that.
Unfortunately so.
As a millennial woman, and sister to a retired SEAL....10000% agree. The standard is the standard, whoever can qualify should be allowed in, but if you don’t tough shit.
Agreed. You have to be able to do these things because it could be life or death out there. Your life and others are on the line. There’s nothing wrong if you’re not that quality that’s the point of the training. They need that quality and frankly there’s tons of men who can’t even reach that brass ring. Let alone look like at it.
I agree, but you have to remember that 80% of military roles are support, not actual combat. You don't need to be doing 20 mile ruck marches for a desk job analyzing air traffic. A consensus could be cutoff standards that fit the conditions of the job, with no extra coddling to forcibly 'diversify.' SEALs meet SEAL standards, infantry meets infantry standards, deskies meet deskie standards.
The purpose of the army is not to be as diverse as possible, its to win a war...
Mmmno, it's to serve the State.
But "diversity is STRENGTH!" haha
@@nkristianschmidt
sure :) whatever u like
@@stuckmannen3876 very good, transfer all your money now.
But why is the USA in a constant state of war? Cause they have to create new ones all the time
I swear everyone who thinks you have “the right to serve” must have never watched an army show or been through a basic aptitude test.
You physically have to be capable of this job. You can’t just want it. It has to want you.
exactly
You forgot the most important aspect. MENTAL STRENGTH!
@@seriwilliamhansseneka5346 (not) sorry to say, but mental strength won't save you when you're retreating against enemy fire while needing to carry your gear and equipment that weighs a fuckton, and also carry a wounded troop to safety with his equipment on top of that, all the while your physique isn't helping you not crumble like a fucking crouton.
When I went to BUD/S I didn’t prepare enough for the stress of running. I got shin splints in pre-BUD/S and pretty much had to just deal with it throughout BUD/S until my legs finally adapted around third phase. Many guys who got shin splints way later than me developed stress fractures and most of them didn’t make it. A couple years after I made it through training there was an opportunity for the guys in the teams to do a DEXA scan. The result showed that my bone density was in the 99th percentile meaning I was in the top 1% of men with high bone density which explains why my bones were able to withstand the stress of running with shin splints which puts additional stress on your legs. I have no doubt that my bone density prevented many injuries that I wasn’t even aware of that you can’t really prepare for. Sure a female runner is not going to get shin splints in BUD/S but her lower bone density, weaker immune system etc will likely prevent her from staying healthy. A woman who is a better runner and a swimmer than a man might look like a better candidate but no amount of specific training regimen is going to bring her body up to speed compared to a man. She’s going to need a lot of gear and even that’s not likely to work because taking gear causes damage to your body and you need to be a very healthy person to get through BUD/S.
I joined the army when I was 35 and I told them I want to have the same standards of the 18 yr olds or it’s not really accomplishment for me . I did really well top 20 in the company. That’s also sad these kids today aren’t built like us older guys who grew up playing sports n being outdoors all day I had a great time as a kid miss those days
Hi, I’m a woman in her 20s and I’m training to become a U.S. Navy SEAL. I’m a civilian and I want to go enlisted.
What advice would you give for women that want to be SEALs? If you had to go to BUD/S again, how would you prepare differently? What books or workout programs would you recommend?
Most female SEAL candidates struggle with carrying the boats and logs, doing pull ups, having grip strength and completing the “Dirty Name” on the obstacle course. Also, a lot of female SEAL candidates break their legs or develop stress fractures.
@@Anonymous18817 Women are not going to make it through BUD/S. Your body and mind get tested at the most primal level and we live in a world today that preaches that women and men are the same which is absolutely false. I’m not going to tell you not to do it but I can tell you without a shadow of a doubt that first phase will break you psychologically and physically and not in the cliche way you hear all the time. I have seen plenty of elite female athletes who are good at one thing they specialize at but they’re below average at other physical capabilities compared to average men. If you have to find out for yourself go do it but if you fail there will be a price to pay.
@@Anonymous18817don’t.
This sounded like you were master-baiting to yourself 😂
I think they SHOULD remove the restriction against women and stop there. If a woman can do the same test and pass, she's special, she deserves to be there. Don't lower standards to let more in though, it compromises the force you have.
Why allow women in at all? They're just going to mess up the dynamics.
That's how it always starts out, then they'll say the men in charge are sexists and that's the reason why they didn't make it.
No. Every male occupation that allows women in is eventually forced to lower the standards and take extremely subpar women in when none of them make it. It's opening up a can of worms.
Well said
@@americanpig-dog7051 I want to agree with the original poster. Morally he is correct, same standards for all would be fair. In reality every time this happens, what you said comes true. It is the only way to let in a larger group of women, to make it "look" more even.
Can't have those tough questions like:
"Why are only three Navy Seals women?!"
Muh diversity!
I am a woman, and no offense taken. He is absolutely right. I don’t want standards lowered for women.
I read a memoir about a Navy SEAL going overseas before and during his military career. He explained with a lot of detail what happens during Hell Week... I thought to myself, "Ha, no thank you! Men can try. I'm staying home with the kids" 🤣
And I think most women will agree.
As you see here it's ALWAYS men complaining about how women want standards lowered when we never even see women asking for that.
@@sharoncohen318 interesting!
@@sharoncohen318 it's like white people looking for racism in situations where it isn't there
Yeah i agree! This is not a sport where you simply put females with males. This is life and death. If my husband is gonna go out there risking his life then there sure as hell be alongside the best of the best. This is not a game. Going to war! people actually dies! you don't lower the standards of training just to get more diversity. If a woman pass the test then sure let he through. But you don't lower the standards in order to make her pass the test. Theres alot of lives on the line here.
I would love to see a woman make it through BUDS. That individual would be the most fascinating and impressive female specimen that our modern society has ever seen.
even olympic athletes fail to make it to seal teams even an avg trained men cant it to make to special forces wht makes u think women can ?only an amaznion can pass thetest
@@souijaboi3198 That's why I would like to see a woman that could. She would be a true female superhuman.
Even spartans left the women at home
@@staforiii thats why they were spartans
having masculine traits doesnt make a female more impressive to me. can a woman be special amd not depend om strenght or muscle? i hope so
The Navy convened a Board consisting of senior enlisted and senior officers, mostly women around 2013 or 2014. The topic, BUDS standards for women. In a nearly unanimous vote the board voted to require women to meet men's standards. The only dissenting votes were from men. My old Master Chief sat this board, she said the female enlisted board members (who made up the majority of the board) had no intention of tarnishing the mission effectiveness of the SEALs by lowering standards for women.
“The people that want to prove it are the ones that aren’t in the Ring.”
Exactly
point?
@@melclarke64 it would be like me saying anyone can knock out The Rock in a fight, without ever being in a fight before.
@@melclarke64 the point is self explanatory, if you don't understand that, you probably shouldn't have commented.
If theuy
@@hunterkai6772 ain a fist fight the rock wins if you he other person is a 98 lb female with a gun she wins..like I said most combat these days is from a distance
Imagine if politicians argued that casualties weren’t diverse enough.
Give it a few years
That’s actually really funny. Nice one
@Insufficient Funds well that's obviously 100% bullshit.
Insufficient Funds ...insufficient brain more like it
@Insufficient Funds you have a picture?
Let me guess. You have a meme with a statistic on it, right?
We had a woman in our unit deploy to afghan, she couldn't do the job resulting in their team been gated to camp.
So we were a EOD team down all tour.
Searching for IEDs 9 hours straight carrying 50+kg of kit, she was trying to do the job with effectively herself on her back.
The only reason she was sent was for PR she made it onto the papers for being a searcher which she wasn't.
If a woman can meet the standards…and has the desire . When she shows up, I will be cheering her on.
Sorry women well never be Navy Seals, never will.
“Don’t pray for an easy life, pray for the strength to endure a hard one.” ~ Bruce Lee
Still the best quote I ever heard.
@@TH-cam_is_complete-total_shit
Cool story bro
@@TH-cam_is_complete-total_shit Sounds like you've spent your entire life researching the guy. Good work, bud.
@@TH-cam_is_complete-total_shit lmao go back to r/iamverysmart and learn what an exaggeration is.
Are You Thicc? “Do not pray for easy lives, pray to be stronger men” - JFK
No need to lower the standards. Whoever has the willingness and ability to pass the program should be allowed to complete it.
yeah, thats pretty damn logical
But biology says no
@@historygeek7779 says no to what? lol
Right! If they need to lower the standards then it will just make the men weaker and then it will start to be considered rude to outperform the women. They only want this because they are so starved of genuine affection and respect from their fathers and/or husbands. Motherhood is seen as pathetic and as a low accomplishment, as if children would learn to grow up on thier own without any parental support, guidance, and nurturing and love. But people only think that because it makes sense, having seen the state raise thier kids 8 hours a day.
@@dentonet2 you replying to comments where no mentioned they should lower the standard
genuine affection? father/mothers motherhood, man, that some straw man argument bullshit
We lowered standards for in the Marines. Do the men that went through the higher standards trust them to do their jobs as infantry women? Nope...sounds sexist, but having seen the struggle of these women putting their injured combat dressed brothers on their shoulder or trying to pull them just ends in tragedy. That mindset of not believing your combat companions can do their job is a scary and unnecessary addition to the situations at hand.
@Pam Baker those man children don't make it to the special forces. most won't make it into the Marine core let alone as a Marine Raider
@Pam Baker you would have tried and failed. no women can and will ever get into the navy seals or marine Raiders as well as Delta unless it's the G squad delta who don't see combat aka the funny platoon
Today I was at a conference and it was a board interview.
The board was composed of 2 women and 2 men, the moderator (a female) said it was nice to see balance.
My first thought was, do we really care for balance or do we want competence?
I couldn't care less if this board was exclusively male or female till they are competent I am happy with that.
I think this is very relevant in our today's society where people DARE to promote diversity (in gender and sexual orientation, as if it was important to get the job done) over competence.
It's sick and the symptom of a society that is suffering from idiocracy.
Imagine if the we lowered the standards to become a surgeon just to appease people that couldn't cut it otherwise.
We would have a lot more ER horror story tv shows lol.
Well he said there not lowering the standards to let them go in just allowing them to sooo..
northpappyflappy 😯
Those standards probably WERE lowered.
OP: is that not what affirmative action is?
The military is not to bend or lower standards. The military doesnt change for you, YOU change for the military. End of story.
The military have changed standards many times over time, what are you talking about? This is factually inaccurate
I never said they haven't. I'm saying that they shouldn't have. The idea is that they are select and picky about the troops that fight for our country. Just because they have changed some things, doesn't mean they should have.
As soon as we start bending to the will of people's feelings, the easier we will bend to the will of the enemy.
@@jobertsworld35 Please tell me an example of where they lowered a standard and it wasn't a good decision. If they lower the standard there is probably a reason, but I'm sure you know more than the generals and recruiters making and enforcing the rules because it sounds really good to say on the internet
You last sentence is literraly mesningless
Well for starters, it's probably not smart to put someone on the front lines who spent their lives popping adderall and antidepressants, and cant be happy with themselves, let alone figure out which bathroom to use. That's a liability and a dangerous thing when you're so indecisive and opposed to authority.
Joberts World have you ever met a woman in your life
Equal opportunity demands equal efficiency. I would absolutely love to see a woman that rises to this inhumane standard! And I’d be absolutely horrified to meet her
It could never happen... unless drugs were involved
Simp.
@@trequoras for SF worldwide, obviously a reality check fail on your part. I guess you have not bothered to actually check? Public sources would be enough.
@@ghanaboyz never gonna happen
@@ghanaboyz It will never happen. It is and always will be very much impossible. Pls stop.
Imagine telling Jocko Willink “oh by the way, Karen here is joining your squad.”
Jocko - "Not good"
@@thomasgreen1557 LOL
G.I. Jane has a special attribute most Navy Seals don’t; Plot Armor.
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Raw Engineer get outta here Canadian
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Shut up, shut up, shut up!!... I came to avoid spoilers, not get them...
Frank Dodich you forgot “eh” Igloo farmer. :(
Don't lower the test. If a woman makes it through, don't make a big deal of her, all it means is that she is as capable as her battle brothers. Which is something expected of any man in the unit. It may be exceptional for a female, but her being female isn't important, being seal material is important.
But combat effectiveness shouldn't matter as long as a woman FEELS accepted and comfortable in her role, even if she's had to cheat to get into the same position as a man!
(sarcasm)
@@ChainsawGutsFuck Not funny tho but you tried
Lbot beenthere would need to be a genetic freak, most women can’t even do a pull-up now.
Chaos Burrito wow you’re an idiot lmfao I didn’t say women can’t do pull-ups I said most can’t (which is true) and yes a woman would have to be a genetic freak to pass the navy seals tests your fucking moron.
That's not how the loud people on both sides view it sadly. On one hand you have the idiots that want to lower standards just to let women in for diversity's sake, not realizing that will get people killed. On the other hand you have the idiots who say that it's a boy's club and no girls allowed regardless of their capabilities because they don't want cooties. These are the mouthpieces of both sides.
Will smith is not gonna like this
The ones that wanna prove it are the ones that aren’t in the ring.
Very well said.
I want to see Brock Lesner make a come back in the women's division.
And see him get punched in the gut ? Dude can't take any body hits anymore that's why he's wrasslin
@@TheSpacemannspiff he was battling diverticulitis.....gastrointestinal disease.....2 surgeries to repair it.....
Cock Lesnar
If thats really your last name i envy you
tristannolan85 Glock Lesnar
As a woman I hate the idea of lowering the standards for ANYTHING to allow women in. It's like saying we are 'less than'. Allow us to EARN it just like the men. We have our differences and I am so grateful for the men who run the seals. They are extremely bad ass and keep us all safe. Thank you
But you're less stronger than a man, so why would you want to be in the army?, because it looks fun?
@@JR-vt7rb dude your comment is completely irrelevant to her point.
@@garrettvaughn3086 not at all, her point is that women have the right to earn a position in the army but it isnt about that, is about having strong capable soldiers, so why somebody who cant carry a 120kg man wants to join in the first place?, war is not a game
@@JR-vt7rb he's right.. it seems like you haven't read her comment properly
@@JesusChrist-vq6lk and seems you just want to sound inclusive and "woke", i dont feel safe with "Emmas" defending our borders, im sure there are roles where women can excel in the army, but fighting isnt one of them
Especially Course Of Action.. definitely a 5 part set that could make every business better..
Love this guy. So humble like many Seals.
Just like how they lowered standards for fire fighting....if I'm trapped in a burning house I want the 6 foot 4 ex football player not the gal who just barely passed
You do realise there are men that barely pass too, right? I think what you mean is you don't want someone unqualified to do a job, and I agree... no need to bring sex into it tho. If a women is fit and capable, why can't she be a firefighter?
@@Rodrigo13Solario It's amazing how many people want others to die just to try and prove their point, eh?
Did she barely pass because when she was QB her team had an excellent running game?
@@asg7448 simp
I don't really care who pulls me out of a burning building, but in my 35 years of life I'm not sure I've ever met a single woman who could put on 50lbs of firefighting gear, climb a ladder, lift 200lbs of floppy unconscious man off the floor and onto her shoulder, and carry him back down a ladder. But if she exists, then I have no problem with her being a firefighter. They should just have to meet the same standards as men to do the same job. I got nothing against women, but I don't care to die for "diversity".
You're 6'4", 240-pound Marine, and you're injured, and you need a Marine next to you to carry you back to safety, and the Marine next to you is a 5'4" woman who weighs 115 pounds. It's relevant."
Gregory Kalinousky I spent every ruck literally carrying the girl behind me and she still fell out every time, whereas if I fell out for any reason I had to talk to the Captain. This shit is lunacy and one of the reasons I got out. It’s a fuckin joke
The average Marine is not 6'4 240lbs. Watching too many movies or playing too many games.
But even a guy 5'9 175 is going to be hard to drag for a 5'4 130 woman who is fatigued from battle.
Okay but hypothetically the type of women that would be in this situation probably aren’t average or 5’4” and 115 lbs. It’s not like they all come in one size or that every Marine is that size.
@@sageagbonkhese4091 do you understand how much heavier you are with full uniform and gear? Exactly.
A strong grown man isn't going to move a guy that big alone. Not a chance.
It’s SOOO funny how he sips his coffee right after the you should lie about women in bud straining statement. Lmfao !!
GI Jane 2, can’t wait to see it!
- August 🍁
“And the people who want to prove it are the ones that are not in the ring.” - Perfect summary of people who shout for equality but have no idea what they are actually talking about.
vasquez
Fun fact a multiple foreign women hold more confirmed kills than any US infantry solider in history.
Having kills doesn’t mean shit. Any crazy taliban member can fire an RPG into a crowd of the enemy and get 100 kills. We’re talking about enduring the tests to become a Seal.
Acceleration there is a difference between what they did and what SEALs do
Fact
"The people who want to prove it are the ones not in the ring." Best analysis ever.
Absolutely nailed it. That 1 sentence is the exact situation perfectly summed up. No woman wants to do that and frankly neither do most men. Its ridiculous how far this bullshit has gone, it needs to be stopped before people start getting killed
They want to vicariously live through other women's achievements
I’m all for women in positions in the military, so long as they can fill those positions as good or better than the men in them. There are plenty of women who do just that. Most don’t though- at least in the combat arms side of things. That’s where my experience is.
I’ve been in for 8 years now, so I’ve really experienced the shift in lowering standards for women, for the sake of political correctness.
Any woman who is truly for equal opportunity and cares about those they’re serving with, should not want standards lowered. You can’t have honest pride knowing something was given to you more easily than another marine, soldier, airman, etc. Whether you’re a man or woman, that’s applicable to everyone.
Nice one liner, but as for SF in general world wide, essentialy seems to be a fail on reality check. What do you base your view on? GI Jane...? (its both fictional and very dated, is it not).
Look up what soldiers in other SF units says nowadays and you might get surpised. They ARE 'in the ring' and the call the shots on what they need. As far as I can see, they didn't lower their standard, but increased their potential with a variation of assets.
@@ghanaboyz it helps to have diverse assets. Situation dictates. I had some buddies get recruited for Delta, and they said Delta is big on recruiting for current needs. Brainy, nerdy soldiers were being recruited because Delta had a need for it at that time. Wasn’t your cookie cutter killer they were going after. But that being said, diversity doesn’t always make things better. Again, situation dictates.
He's truthful you can tell. He answers immediately
GI Jane 2 will be legendary
Yeah it will be a legendary lie like the first movie😂
I experienced the lower standards first hand with "Lioness" teams in Afghanistan. No one got hurt, thankfully, but us male infantry Marines were put in danger several times when the Lioness' were in situations they couldn't handle. The image of female military running towards the gate away from gunfire as we were running out the gate towards gunfire is forever burned in my mind.
Yikes
Stupid fucking Democrats
Lol
Same brother. We had FETS for a couple days and the moment shit got shady (like pot shots from 800 meters away for maybe 30 seconds) or some sporadic rockets that landed 400 meters outside the line, they popped smoke and went back to Dwyer.
Brandish you do realize that Democrats occupy about 80% of the spectrum and the ones you complain about only occupy the far far left of that spectrum...so stop looking at just the party but at what the person him/herself is actually about. Plus if a Republican knows he/she can win an election by doing something like this you better be sure they’ll do it. A moron is a moron don’t matter which party they represent.
As of July 2020, One woman tried out the navy seal program, and she quit halfway through. Not surprising with a 99% drop out rate.
Cindy Evans if you feel attacked by anything he said or what is said in the video then you’re delusional or just don’t understand what he is saying.
@Cindy Evans The OP EXPLICITLY SAID "Not surprising with a 99% drop out rate." You know what that means, right? Because your reply, reiterating what the OP said suggests you should...but THAT you just reiterated what he said, suggests you don't understand it at all.
Free Thinker i wouldn’t think you got your feelings hurt if you didn’t say “geez” like you were whining about it.
@Free Thinker Oh, so you're just a moron who always doubles down, regardless of whether you were proven wrong or not? I see. Well, carry on then.
*85% dropout rate
It was G.I. Jane joke......
The 2 eyeballs coming from Rogans skull is freaking me out )))))))
Politicians: Let's have more women in the program.
Dirty Harry: Well that sounds very stylish...
How fast you run the hundred?
Marvelous
@Nicky Bobby 👏🏿
Well I'm all broken up about that man's rights.
"that's a hell of a price to pay to be stylish."
The odds of you completing SEAL training are not favorable: 1 in 4. Each year, about 1,000 recruits make it to SEAL training. About 250 complete their training and join approximately 2,000 more active SEALs, who work among nine active duty teams. Some SEAL candidates choose to drop out of the program, and some are forced out. Candidates who fail to complete training are reclassified to other jobs in the Navy. Lowering the standards should be an insult to anyone that wants to truly accomplish such a calling.
Right dont be a jesse ventura
They're not lowering it so...
@Justin credible Stop talking out of your ass if you don't know facts. He deployed with ST 5 to Iraq.
The failure statistics themselves pretty much eliminate every excuse to not allow women to have a shot at BUDS. Hold them to the same standard and see how they do. Or are people afraid that some of these women will actually make it?
@@jrc0004 yes and he ran instead of going out out in patrols and multiple ops. Source- his Troop LPO and Chief. Fuck that guy
Now, we're getting diversity and inclusion officers. I'm sure that will go over real well on the battlefield.
Good thing it’s not 1700.
Certainly helped letting black people fight. And just like now a bunch of guys were bitching about morale and political correctness then. Oops.
@@Primenumber19 Except women are not men of a different color. Oops.
@@Primenumber19 As an Afro-American I find it a bit insulting that so many SJW "identity politics" players just for the sake of political expediency, are jumping on the bandwagon, pretty much usurping & riding the back of black civil rights movement. Please understand that it has already been said and "cited" in this video and by others with combat experience, have shown proof that No Women have passed the testing or rigorous training for these special military units. And for the few who did manage to get through the training for other similar types of units, there was a mandate to lower the training standards in order to satisfy political correctness policy. But, some of you guys or gals (I don't know?) keep commenting over & over "what if" if they pass? If, if, if? The whole point is that they don't! This is for the same obvious reasons that women & men do not compete in most high level professional sports together? This has nothing to do with discrimination, oppression or any other SJW identity politics "isums". One more thing, again... It really bugs me when so many groups try to pull the "race card" and the "card" ain't even theirs to pull while riding the backs of civil rights. (But that's a whole other topic). Ok_ Think with common sense logic and not so much emotional rhetoric.... Why for many thousands of years through human history that women, for the most part, have not significantly participated directly in organized nation state military combat? The answer is simple and not complicated if you choose to see the truth of facts in life and human physiology. The only thing that makes a bit of difference is our advances in modern technology. However, human beings are still the same as they always have been throughout history and are likely to remain so for quite some time. This can only make sense to you if you are grounded in reality and not some ideological "Hollywood movie" fantasy world.
@@vickmurray5751 I’m sorry are you under the impression that combat is only holding a gun and running rough terrain? Or to join the seals or rangers? And are you insinuating that if women can’t qualify for seals or elite tier special forces they are somehow useless in combat or the armed forces?
Women can’t be pilots? Women can’t operate complicated machinery? Women can’t drive transports? Women can’t fire artillery or call in the right coordinates for air strikes?
As for why women haven’t participated in wars you are wrong. You are obviously no student of history so I recommend you go read a book. Vikings had shield maddens, Japanese women were samurai and trained for combat they just didn’t carry the two swords, the most famous battle commander in history is Joan d arc, the list goes on and currently the best trained fighting forces in the Middle East are all female units. But don’t let your lack of education stop a good story rooted in idiocy.
Logically speaking I see no reason why anyone who wants to fight for their country can’t. The armed forces is a huge thing and there is room for everyone. And also let’s stop lying to ourselves that to be good at modern war you have to be huge and macho, the way things are going being a tiny nerd good at drone piloting is more important.
Don’t know anything about Trevor. But he strikes me as the team guy who would take the time to pull young guys aside and have the “hey man” correction conversation.
Oh my god🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I’ve been a Tom-boy my whole life, Crossfit coach, and martial arts trained. But there is not one cell of my body that feels threatened or reduced by the fact that men are WAY superior in some things than I’ll ever be.
The idea that “we are equal” is about as stupid as saying men have periods.
At my very best, I couldn’t come close to the men I trained with unless it was body-weight gymnastic movements like pull-ups (yes, I could own the men on kipping pull-ups, and also lunges, burpees, squats, etc. I was better on endurance than some, but the guys who ran marathons owned me.
Women might call me a traitor, but I coached too many people to try to say men aren’t all around better. And it’s not only physical. A man’s mind is better able to compartmentalize their emotions or reactions in co flirt than women. Sorry again. It’s true. Testosterone inhibits oxytocin, which means men don’t get all squishy in the heart about something the same.
I’m not saying all. My friend is a forensic chemist and ran the homicide lab in my county, and she could put aside the fucking most horrible things to do her job. Once o told her I would always be consumed with why, why would someone kill their own child? Why would someone stab a woman to death and keep her in a freezer for years.
This is what she said-I don’t think about why they do it. I focus on getting enough evidence so they can’t do it again.
Bad-ass. But not exactly an athlete.
I love men. I love that they rush into danger when I’d run like a bitch. I love that they are strong and protective. I love that they protect the country.
The one thing I think women can do just as well or better is sniping. My firearms instructor even told me that women shoot better than men. Now, if I was put in a bell tower with a rifle, I could do some damage. It would be a problem getting me there though. Even in video games I make my son walk me to the safe spot before I shoot. It’s too scary to walk around when everybody is shooting at me.
Men and women should not compete. We can’t. We should do what we do best and let the other one do the same.
Generally, ignoring the unusual, women are better at sustained focus. That likely includes sniping, spying, some factory and admin jobs, managerial jobs with limited resources and a clear goal.
Really one of the best comments I've read on here, you explained everything… I didn't bother going in-depth like you... I just made a #SendMeBackToTheKitchen joke. LoL 8P
@@nkristianschmidt i doubt that... The best mathematicians and physicists were male.
@@kda3113 That is a fair point to keep in mind. However, these guys were outliers and I did emphasize 'generally'. Men occupy the positions for top performance but not necessarily the positions for good performance in mundane work. Most positions for sowing, nursing, accounting (non-managerial), archiving, secretariat, admin work are occupied by women.
Jesus. A woman with views like that is marriage material! Keep it up girl, and a very honest assessment of the topic. 🤙🏻
Serena Williams who were the former rank 1 women's single tennis player, bragged about how she could defeat any man in the top rank 200. She lost badly during the "Battle of The Sexes" in 1998 to a rank 203 player, Karsten Braasch and the guy was just done playing golf and drinking cold beers and he was a rank +600 player few months prior and he even stated that he played like a rank +500 to keep the game "fun" so it wasn't a one sided massacre, not only that, he also defeated her sister Venus Williams, also a former rank 1, *now think about that and this situation.*
Well she did say she would lose
@@guillermoletsworkitout3522 Serena got like 1 game, IIRC it was 6-0, 6-1. Against an out-of-shape guy who wasn't good to begin with.
Any videos or...
@@jthreefingers8445 Not sure if videos, but here's a Wiki excerpt: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Sexes_(tennis)#1998:_Karsten_Braasch_vs._the_Williams_sisters
Apparently it was 6-1 vs Serena and 6-2 vs Venus.
@Frank Castle Not to say woman are weaker then men... BUT, this is exactly like Ronda Rousey saying she can beat Mayweather or any man.
Story for ya. For context, I'm a retired USAF ARFF Firefighter. Firefighting can be extremely difficult, yet generally speaking nowhere near the constant hell a Navy Seal goes thru. I heard the Miami-Dade Cty FD was hiring, I drove up to apply, the Captain laughed at me! Told me I didn't have a prayer of being hired because I'm a white man! But if my wife applied she'd most likely get hired. So, along with 3500 other women, she applied. 1st thing was showing up on time, dozens of women self-eliminated by being late. 2nd was a 5 station modified FF combat challenge course, 40 lb. Hotel pack carry up a 5 story tower, 40 lb Dounut roll raise to the 4th fl. via a 1" hemp rope then lift the hose roll over a 44" high ledge. 3rd was the Kaiser sled, using an 8 lb dead blow shot mallet with zero rebound drive a 200 lb steel block 5 ft. 4th was 150 lb dummy drag for 100 ft. 5th was 1-3/4 charged hoseline drag for 100 ft. All while wearing a 25 lb. weighted vest and structural firefighting gloves. They had 7 minutes to finish. 96% failed. So they lowered the standards by placing a pallet on the ground in front of the 4th fl. window lowering the height to 39". 96% failed again. The standards were lowered again by increasing the time to 8 minutes. Enough women passed to make up a couple of recruit classes. Dozens more failed the civil service exam, the background check, the oral interview, and/or were late. At the end they had 40 women to send to the 3-1/2 month FF 1 course. At the end of the class there were 2! After the 1-yr probationary period there was 1 operational firefighter, the other 1 failed to pass EMT-B, but since her uncle was a deputy chief she wasn't fired, they moved her into dispatch. The next year they allowed all 3500 who failed to test again, with the same results. There's a damned good reason sports organizations are segregated by sex!
That sounds like something I can do with maybe a month of training.
Part 2: can’t wait to see it
"The people that want to prove it, aren't the ones in the ring." Well said, this applies to so many issues we have today.
Yeah. I like this saying. Think am gonna keep it.
Similarly, there's a theory in the psychology community that the campaign to get girls into STEM is driving girls away. They are being told how women are harassed and ostracized in those fields, so girls go for career paths that don't involve being lonely and miserable. The perception of the campaign is a bunch of feminists that got gender studies degrees telling others to be the actual force for change and bear the real burden. The irony is that women would have a lot of opportunities over men in those fields just from diversity initiatives.
Let me share a shocking fact: Men and women are different.
Let me share another one: We don’t have to be equally good in the same stuff.
*corrected a typo.
Damn I'm shook.
let me share a shocking fact: singular and plural nouns are different
@@motomav6964 😂🤣😂🤣
Hey, you’re speaking sense.
thank you
As a woman (who is a stay at home mom, so I probably don't "count" because I'm giving in to the patriarchy), being a Navy SEAL is probably the last thing I would want and the last thing that I would do well at.
Im a working dad and i wouldnt want that job. It's a job that only a tiny minority of insane men can fill.
You do count. You are raising the next generation, not giving into the patriarchy. Fck what the woke crowd thinks, I admire your choice and it holds a precious responsibility
I am a girl that wants to be a navy seal so I'm a bit confused about Trevors logic behind saying that women just don't want the job. Has he done a survey or..?
Raising thew next gen is a very important job
@@rutherford7820 Women in the military knows the score, you'll change your mind once you're in that environment
I'm U.S. Army retired, spent 17 years in SOF, and I remember toward the end of my career having to attend "sensitivity training", when I brought up the different standards for physical fitness Army wide between men and women all the excuses in the world came out, but no real, valid justification, the same has been happening in various SOF schools and units since then. Politicians in uniform and elected office are to blame for such things IMHO, as well as the death toll exacted in the name of supposed "fairness or diversity".
@Pam Baker I'm all for fairness, as long as everyone has to meet the the same standards for the job.
@Pam Baker I'm all for fairness, but throughout my career and beyond I saw examples of people being placed in military jobs they couldn't do for various reasons, this can result in their death and the death of those they work with in combat in many cases. As far as I'm concerned there should be a PT standard that is MOS based, although everyone should be trained as infantry, something akin to the way Marines do it would be nice IMHO.
@Pam Baker "what if a female could accomplish the same end result...the same mission objective in a different way, without using the same tried and true SOF methods? Would that be valuable? Would you be open to considering that there might be a different way to do things?"
When it comes to physicality, that's a mans job, ...we're talking about the best of the best, most men don't make the cut. Group dynamics, periods, and war rape......combat is not for women
Hi, I’m a woman in her 20s and I’m training to become a U.S. Navy SEAL. I’m a civilian and I want to go enlisted.
What advice would you give for women that want to be SEALs? If you had to go to BUD/S again, how would you prepare differently? What books or workout programs would you recommend?
Most female SEAL candidates struggle with carrying the boats and logs, doing pull ups, having grip strength and completing the “Dirty Name” on the obstacle course. Also, a lot of female SEAL candidates break their legs or develop stress fractures.
@@Anonymous18817 Apparently you missed the part where I stated I was in the Army not the Navy.
I am a woman and I don’t feel the need to be “equal” by letting women navigate buds. I especially don’t agree with any part of the military that modifies standards to accommodate us. If you can’t do the job of the men that have come before you, I wouldn’t want you at my side.
I applaud you for your ability to see the reality of the situation
Preach ! well said
Women that are smart and see the facts are sexy af! =)
@@TH-cam_is_complete-total_shit That's really patronising :3
@@roising.3221 I don't see how, maybe you check out the definition of that word buddy.
A chain is only as strong as the weakest link
Kapten uppenbar
Too bad we don’t approach economics like this
If a female Seal ever got captured, she's going to be a 24-hour rape-sickle for every enemy soldier in camp. She has to be cool with that happening-because if she's captured, it will absolutely happen.
@@jonothandoeser plus the torture will likely be sexual in nature
Jonothan Doezer If you are a male or female that gets captured, you are getting raped anywhere in the middle east. Fact
In Canada women can apply for selection and get into JTF2 (Canada's version of the Delta) but none have passed or even taken the course that we know of.
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The USMC $36 Million dollar study on Female Infantry:
Within the research at the Infantry Training Battalion, females undergoing that entry-level training were injured at more than SIX-times the rate of their male counterparts
27% of female injuries were attributed to the task of movement under load, compared to 13% for their male counterparts, carrying a similar load.
During the GCEITF assessment, musculoskeletal injury rates were 40.5% for females, compared to 18.8% for males
All-male 0311 (rifleman) infantry squads had better accuracy compared to gender-integrated squads. There was a notable difference between genders for every individual weapons system (i.e. M4, M27, and M203) within the 0311 squads, except for the probability of hit & near miss with the M2.
Male provisional infantry (those with no formal Infantry school training) had higher hit percentages after movement to contact than the 0311 (school trained) females: M4: 44% vs 28%, M27: 38% vs 25%, M16A4w/M203: 26% vs 15%. Accuracy diminishes with fatigue.
All-male infantry crew-served weapons teams engaged targets quicker and registered more hits on target as compared to gender-integrated infantry crew-served weapons teams, with the exception of M2 accuracy. All-male squads, teams and crews and gender-integrated squads, teams, and crews had a noticeable difference in their performance of the basic combat tasks of negotiating obstacles and evacuating casualties. For example, when negotiating the wall obstacle, male Marines threw their packs to the top of the wall, whereas female Marines required regular assistance in getting their packs to the top. During casualty evacuation assessments, there were notable differences in execution times between all-male and gender-integrated groups, except in the case where teams conducted a casualty evacuation as a one-Marine fireman's carry of another (in which case it was most often a male Marine who "evacuated" the casualty).
All-male squads, regardless of infantry MOS, were faster than the gender-integrated squads in each tactical movement. The differences were more pronounced in infantry crew-served weapons (such as Machine Guns) specialties that carried the assault load plus the additional weight of crew-served weapons and ammunition.
How dare you...
We need to change the playing field to even out the results. That is the only answer to this issue. The training must be changed!
it's almost as if there are fundamental differences between men and women. who knew?
Shut up you sexist pig
Men have denser bones and denser muscles there didn’t need to spend 36 million. Fucking stupid besides it should be open if they want to let em anyone who can make it out is a certified badass.
Imagine standards being lowered just so you can get into a program, also imagine being proud in that situation.
That's women for you. Every day.
That’s affirmative action. Congrats on doing less and getting more.
@@zraybroske2416 Ahh affirmative racism. Remember when you could look at a doctor of any color and be confident they were held up to the same standards?
that is future america for you
Well that’s blacks/minorities and college degrees. It also applies to the work force like cops, firefighters and everything else. It doesn’t matter if you are white and more qualified. Same thing is happening in the military with the PC and all inclusive movement.
“The best of the best of the best, Sir!”
‘There are some bad women in the military’. This line alone shows he has respect for women and no one should be offended.
I love how in this day and age stating facts can get you potentially labeled things like sexist.
@Kill Team Charlie bigot is the one I hear constantly and constantly used incorrectly
David Graney - Bigot!! I couldn’t resist.
And voting for an orange man makes you racist.
MrIdoitforFun exactly
It is a FACT that women CAN get trough special forces training. You are ignorant, I litterally saw it first handed that a woman could handle the tests where a lot of elite strenght and conditioning men failed. The woman was 1 of the 6 people that finished the test. You are somewhat playing victim here like people labeled your "facts" sexist.
How many women have gone through buds?
“0”
*triggered
What is buds?
@@howmuchbeforechamp th-cam.com/video/zUoG597LNuc/w-d-xo.html
Exactly. And it's instrumental to also point out the VAST majority of men can't complete BUDS either.
If you listened further into the interview you would have also heard that no woman had actually been allowed to try yet. * just saying
@@KrisH-bt5cm and also there is a difference between vast majority failling and everyone failing
“It is one thing to study war and another to live the warriors life.”
-Telamon of Arcadia
GI Jane in the thumbnail...
Certainly not a coincidence because of Oscars 😂
I am not offended. I want the most Bada$$ exceptional humans in charge of my protection and that of our country. Man or Woman. Do not lower the standards, if they can make it, then cool!
So basically a Man. lmao
I like your spelling of badass
You sound like a racist
Well Navy seals get shot too they ain't superhumans, they're badass but they're not immortal
@Sean Macguire don’t feed the troll.
Whenever this is the topic, it’s always a GI Jane image. Always.
The idea of lowering standards for inclusivity is innately prejudice. You can’t have it both ways.
Men and women are not equal, nor will we ever be. There’s so much beauty in that; it’s outrageous there’s such an offensive and twisted perspective instead of realizing the truth in our nature.
Christian Lopez fuck being unequal IF A WOMAN CANT DO IT SHE CANT FUCKING DO IT
@Christian Lopez I wouldn't say basic human biology is unjust.
Just leave it as is and open to who ever is qualified. Just like some try and fail. Let whoever do the same. Got me remembering full metal jacket and the girl sniper.
@Christian Lopez It's an equitable inequality. It's not at all that they're less. Just different.
It doesn't help anyone to enable the small group of men and women insisting at everyone else's expense that it's otherwise.
@@NaniiRey And if a woman CAN fucking do it (there will be one or two who can), then lowering the standards just means no one will believe she was up to it and will blame her for the standards having been lowered. Let her try, but don't change the standards at all. She's pass or she'll fail.
Why does this episode doesn't have a full podcast episode?
This dude has the same speaking cadence as Joe Exotic
Feminism = "We are so equal to men, that we need the standards of entry on highly difficult career choices to be lowered because we can't be expected to meet the male standard."
Thats exactly what they say all the time
Lmao
Only the lowering of standards is only being suggested by dumbasses in these comments who didn't bother to listen to the conversation
Who the fuck said anything about lowering standards u fat fuck
This
“Women might think you’re Sexist. You should lie.”
Yeah Joe is a fucking bitch now.
@@sc-iu8jq Dude, It's a joke. You know? Humor?
@@YTBGregory but joe isn't funny tho
@@YTBGregory I didn't find it funny tbh.
@YeahWhatOoh Says the kid who listens to young thug 🤣
good night, how do i apply for pmc? I have experience!
Doesn't matter what he thinks, only thing that matters is what the enemy thinks, and they'll be happy we're sending them women.
as mike Tyson once said, everyone has a plan, until they get punched in the face.
How is that relevant to this podcast?
@@JOHNNY-zx1lc terrorists prefer punching over shooting you u never knew? Jk idk ppl just love this quote and I swear I've seen It in every comment section like this where it dosent even make sence but pre great quote tho
@@JOHNNY-zx1lc and everyone else on this comment you're thinking to literal, think outside the box for once, its a metaphor, meaning you all want to become something (navy seal) until its crunch time and you have to put in the work, then its wooo wait I have to put effort into this?
@@atomicalien4 I know lol, they think they're being whitty and original but in reality it's just some shit they regurgitated from a meme lol.
reid even as a metaphor it makes no sense to their conversation lol. Stop regurgitating memes you've seen and be original.
Keep the standards the same, then if a woman wants to try, she’ll try
Yes
Bad idea. Because if a woman gets in, she will mess with the chemistry and men will act different around her. Navy SEALs should be men only, if a woman makes it trough, she will still be weaker than the men, and as I said, duck up how men behave. There’s another video about an actual Navy SEAL talking about this
@@ProudOne this is sexism. If the men can’t control themselves around 1 woman in their ranks, then they are not qualified enough to be a navy seal. The idea that a woman is driving a group of men mad is some misogynistic shit.
@@jessicashearon4474 no, it’s the truth. They can keep their shit together but a woman will mess with them cause of them wanting to mate. Not specifically with her but it messes up the chemistry. Many Navy SEALs say this themselves. And she will still not be as strong as the rest of the navy seals
@@jessicashearon4474 and I never said “can’t control themselves around 1 woman” I only said they’d behave different which is true, so don’t come here with ur sexism trying to deny facts
Gazelle, I am sick of this standard of perfection that is demanded of us...Lion, I agree.
I have heard seal budds and sas selection described. Seal selection buddy sounds very hard. But I think sas selection actually sounds harder. Psychologically harder!
My cousin served with the Royal Marines, which no woman has ever qualified for. He then served with the SBS (the naval equivalent of the SAS), which most Royal Marines couldn't qualify for. The only way a woman ever qualifies for a serious special forces unit is if they drastically lower the requirements, and then they wouldn't be serious or special which defeats the entire purpose.
My mom was an olympic qualifier in the triathlon in college, then was a MP in the army, followed by 25 years in law enforcement. She’s been an incredible example of what women are capable of. That being said, I’ve never met a female who can go toe to toe with a man. Pound for pound its not even close.
It's called biology.
@Long Duk Dong Probably can’t physically beat you, but they can sure as shit shoot ya lol
@@superdutyzack There are some situations where working smarter is better than working harder. But that isn't always the case. Sometimes you just need to brute force the situation
@@snakevenom4954 but the men are smarter as well
@@different9609 no not really
Lowering standards for an elite team is kinda make them lose what made them elite in the first place.
“You should lie.” 😂
14yr old BOYS destroyed the Australian Womens Olympic soccer team 4-0..... We are equal in value, but nowhere near the same in capability.
What I reads was 15 year old boys, and the score was 7-0
The American women’s soccer team who won were beaten by a high school boys team... just saying
Also, it happens to Olympic gold meddle women twice hockey twice. And let us not mention Serena and her sister blow out to a ranked 200 tennis player guy who 3 months later ranked down to 300.
David Pfeifer actually I think it was an under 15 boys team , which would make it junior high
Anthony Woodhouse yeah 9th grade is 14 usually... that’s high school by me but yeah even worse then lol
Same thing happened with the Australian national women's soccer team (Olympic level). Beaten 7-0 by an under 16s boys team.
David Pfeifer an average male college tennis player will crush Serena Williams.
Zero men went through giving birth. We are meant for different physical performances.
Well... it is not like men can apply for that job... 😂😂😂
@vinod siba I have 3 kids, a men that loves me and I run businesses.I have it all without the resentment you seem to have.
@vinod siba Try to heal your anger problem.
@vinod siba Not interested. Anyone who says to me stfu is out of my list. That is my last reply.
Not fair! They should lower the standards for "giving birth" so men can do it too! Maybe if I change some dirty diapers it should count as giving birth?
Love this and it’s so true . It’s been tried many years and failed . Now there trying to change the standards which is wrong
Being in the fire department in Sydney Australia, a mate of mine had a female firefighter standby at his station. Being near 60 he use to drive the pumper pretty often. He’d done the hard yards. Anyway, they get called to a building alight with persons reported. The driver operates the pump and as he’s getting it ready, the female firefighter just stood there. He said,”hurry up and get your air set on, there’s people reported”. She turned to him and said, “I’ve got three kids at home I can’t go in there”. He asked if she could operate the pump and when she said she could, he got his air set on and went inside. When I told some senior officers this, they asked if “he had reported it”. I just laughed. True story.
Thats why american fire fighters dont have two different sets of standards. One set of requirements period. Every woman I have served with would never do this. Looks like you aussies need to re evaluate your standards. Could be why you are short handed for wild fires.
Had the gas pipes changed today at my house. 7 am outside my window 2 guys digging not talking. All i heard was loud gasbagging on the ohone about the weekend. Some chick next to my window blabbing away ffs, woke me up, i just lost my job yestersy went outside and said can u keep the noise down, the bitch glared at me i siad obviously youre not working but taking the same cash as these blokes. The boys laughed as wpshe walked away. Oz is turning into fkin dump.
Deerjaw Williams not everywhere in America unfortunately. Look up the story of the FDNY chick. She went out early with a back injury during training or something. My fire buddies were all complaining about it.
She should be reported. If she can't do the damn job, then get someone else who can.
Well, that's what happens to every nation where Liberal politics thrive. It's a self defeating mindset and world view.
Just look at American cities with extremely so-called "Progressive" views. They are falling apart under the weight if poverty and inflation and homelessness.
Buds is a training qualification. It’s rough but it’s not the job. After training the real work starts.
@@joshualunsford8511 BUDS*
They used to say in the Canadian Armed Forces that your first deployment is your battle school (combat training).
where are all my studs at 😂😂😂 some woman wanna be men so bad 😂 what a joke !
@@giiovanni08 oh wow
@nick m. Not if you were captured, while trying to take him out.
I recruited SEAL. We had to get the best athletes under 26 (I think that was the age if not close to it) Dudes that were captain of the swim team and the best cross country runner in the school district. Plus have a 3.0 gpa. Then I went to presentation at SEAL school and I remember they said only about 15% of those dudes make it thru. We send top tier athletes and that little make it thru.
If you relax the standards to make it easier for ANYONE to make it in you increasing the chances of them and everyone else in their unit getting killed.
Your team can only fully trust you and have full confidence in you when they know you went through the exact same training they did so that they know you know exactly what they know. The training is so extensive and thought you never have to second guess what your teammates are going to do. Hesitation can get you killed.
"Why don't they want that job?" reminds me of a quote from Jordan Peterson wondering why it is that there are men crazy enough to want jobs like that.
@Ammon Herrera Sources?
@Ammon Herrera LOL Psychology is anything BUT the softest or farcical science out there XD. Clinical psychologists (Jordan Peterson is one of them) help couples that are about to divorce, drug addicts, and people who wrecked their lives to heal their trauma and advance in life. Just hearing the stuff they help people with (e.g. sexual assault, harrassement, childhood abuse etc.) would tramautize a normal human being. Jordan is also not "pampered" in any way, he had a rough upbringing as a kid and was physically small through school. I believe I remember him saying he was bullied for this. You clearly do not know the facts about science or people unlike Jordan Peterson who does XD
The higher male variability hypothesis would explain this
@@kickthecompany1211 Hasn't Jordan Peterson been widely debunked as somebody who doesn't really know what he's talking about?
WOMEN AND MEN ARE NOT THE SAME. Thank God. Everyone trying to make them the same.. please stop.
No but we're both human beings. There is no one type of man or one type of women.
@Marcus W that's not true either. Even those involved all have their strengths and weaknesses.
@Pat McCann Damn bro you killed him.Have mercy.
@Pat McCann hahaha
The radical feminism bs and identity politics is the core of weakness and why Russia and China are beating out USA in most academia . It’s basically the ‘jack of all trades master if none ‘ syndrome taken to the utmost level when trying to make everyone equal as opposed to developing a persons unique strengths and talents .
“ AWL MAN DONT YOU KNOW ITS RUDE TO POINT !!!! “ 😂 G.I JANE 🇺🇸
You need to be both physically & mentally prepared when you're going for the military/army path. If you fail on one of them, you're done.
The real sexism is of low expectations. I refused to quit until I met the male standards when I was in MTI.
Wow so brave
Lol
Thank god u quit, men don't need you, they can protect country on their own.
@@miselzorg2081 Bad opinion
@@miselzorg2081 "I refused to quit", moron.