Rowland Hilder - The Book That Taught Me To Paint
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- This video shares with you the first Watercolour book I ever owned and how it inspired me to paint watercolour in a loose way.
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NOT boring at all! I really enjoy having people go through art books and discuss the paintings and demos.
The book is NOT by Rowland Hilder, but contains some of his work and he writes the introduction. I have an extensive library of books that were written by Rowland, two of which are intructional: Starting With Watercolour and Painting Landscapes in Watercolour. Rowland Hilder's England and Rowland Hilder Country are even more inspiring, purely for containing so many wonderful examples of his art. I look at them all the time for inspiration in my own work.
🖒🖒Thanks. Very generous. We never stop learning. But, don't sell yourself short. There are, and will be, plenty of folks who say, I was inspired to start painting after I saw a Patrick Ley-Greaves video.
I learned to paint with this book too! I especially loved copying the yellow light through trees painting. Takes me back to my kitchen table 30 years ago! I just pulled it out to read again. Thanks for the inspiration.
Update - I got straight onto Amazon and secured the last available copy which arrived today. I had a few doubts because it was advertised as by Angela Gaire, but is definitely the same as yours but still in it’s dust cover, in great condition and cost less than £4. Thank you for the recommendation, can’t wait to get into it!
Thank you so much! I love seeing the insides of a book before I buy! And you are a wonderful painter in my opinion.
This video was so helpful, particularly since the book is so hard to get an expensive. Your passion is contagious and inspiring.
It's strange Cathy when I put the video on youtube the book was selling second hand on Amazon for less than £1.00 then it shot up to silly money not sure why. In the past I have seen used copies on ebay for a few pounds.
@@PatrickLeyGreaves Got myself a copy, and this is definitely a fabulous recommendation.. thank you so much for this fabulous talk through... you really appreciate the book, and it was a joy to watch this clip !!
Roland Herrera hope it gives you the same inspiration it gave me. Happy painting.
I have been searching for this type of book for ages.
Hope you manage to get a copy its an awesome book as you can see.
Oil color demos
Just received my copy of the book, thank you for telling us about it. I’ve watched a few of your videos and I really love the way you use beautiful vibrant colours in your paintings, 😁👍
It really is a fabulous book from such a master of watercolour.
Hi I just wanted to say thank you for recommending this book. I’m new to watercolour and had purchased a few books but was underwhelmed. Then I saw this video and parted with $11 on eBay - brilliant book with such clear guidelines. So many books waste 20 pages on supplies but completely omit explaining the difference in paint consistency and water control.
Love the textures in some of those pics
Thank you! I learnt from Roland Hilders books also, and Charles Reid too, though he was more complex. Roland's simple way of teaching and clear paintings were so inspirational and still are.
Thanks for your comment Jenny agreed Charles read style was very different to Rowland Hilders both great artists. Thanks for taking the time to comment.
Great video and book!
Thank you for sharing 😁
It’s fascinating seeing the roots of your style and approach 🎨🎨
Thanks Liron I am a bit surprised it proved so popular :)
Recently came across a wonderful watercolor book in an antique shop. What a treasure! Filled with techniques and inspirational pictures. Thank you for sharing this one.
Patrick , I've taught myself to paint from books also. Back then ( 30 years ago) no such thing as videos, and couldn't go to school or have instruction. I did the same as you, books and practice.
It wasn't easy but I so wanted to learn. Thank you for sharing all you do.
We've been through the same learning experience. LIke you I remember lots of frustration I am so pleased I stuck with it now. Thanks for commenting
I received my book yesterday and it is wonderful. I highly recommend it. I'm going to paint through all the exercises in it.
Your emotional response to this book is exactly as I felt when I discovered David Curtis and I believe it is all about light. I used to watch old VHS videos and marvel at the seeming simplicity of his techniques. A lot of the paintings in this book remind me of David Bellamy, whose book ‘ the Watercolour Landscape Course’ was the beginning of my watercolour journey. Sadly, life got in the way for decades and I am now going back to basics, so much available (and for free) today and I’m grateful for your help and inspiration. Thank you.
I feel your émotion récognition to a master. Beautiful
Thank you! I love looking at watercolor books; especially one that so inspired you.
Wow.patrick this too was my first book on watercolour and it inspired me no end. I fell in love with both Rowlands work and the master that is Charles Reid. Without these 2 im not sure I'd of persevered. Thanks for bringing this memory up
I don't find looking at art instruction books at all boring! Thanks for sharing this one.
Your welcome Bev , thanks for commenting.
I have a couple of old friends like this one and I remember how exciting it was to discover a new technique or to understand something that was not clear before.
Absolutely Francoise I can identify with you completely. They were happy days learning from books.
I buy books and learn from them too. Utube has increased my learning and understanding so much better. I have no art available in my life and live on a farm out in the rural area. I talk to the animals. Learning to paint is my luxury in life and is my vacation from the everyday work that never ends. I am a beginner and am glad to have found someone else who learns from books. Never boring in my books
Thank you! My copy has just arrived. I ordered after your book review here. It is a wonderful book, bringing together several excellent artists. The instruction is varied and valuable. Great to see John Blockley is included. Thank you also to Barbara Williams for pointing out that the book is by Angela Gair (editor).
Thanks for sharing this book! I hadn’t heard of Roland before but his work is beautiful. His skies are amazing! He definitely didn’t treat them as an afterthought but as essential parts of his compositions. Very neat to hear you talk about the importance of this book in your early days!!
Thanks Brian a lot of his drawings/paintings had an architectural feel to them while remaining loose not an easy thing to achieve. Thanks for taking the time to comment.
Thanks for showing, I've gone and ordered it straight away.
Thank you so much for bringing me back to this book. The Rowland Hilder in the title must have got me to your video, which has been in my Watch Later list for ages. I finally watched it last night and recognised some of the pages, including the yellow green tree demo which I remember doing. So I checked it out on Amazon, and when I saw the cover I realised that I already owned it. I have a lot of drawing/painting books and have borrowed/requested lots more from my local library network, but I found it on my shelf this morning. So many more demonstrations in this great book that I have yet to do, from artists I have subsequently bought/borrowed books by. It is how I came across Philip Jamieson and tracked down a copy of his book from America. And I have subsequently bought Charles Reid's books, but needn't have bothered as the demos are in here :) I'm seeing this book through new eyes and it will keep me busy in the coming weeks. Thank you again, what a top book!
My goodness, how can this be 5 years ago! Time is flying by.
Studying painters that you admire and practicing their style is a good way to learn. Your own unique style starts to emerge. I have many books that I should refer to. Thanks for jogging my mind.
Such a good recommendation and interesting video, prompting me to order a copy. Thank you.
Roland Hilder - Fantastic Painter
Agreed Bob brilliant in every way. Thanks for taking the time to comment.
Looks like an amazing book - I would buy it simply for the painting fog & mist!! It's available on Amazon UK .
Inspired me Fiona . How I would love to own an original we all know that’s not going to happen, have a nice print in the house above the fireplace:)
While watching a tutorial online in watercolor with Geoffrey Kersy, he shared something he learned by Roland Hilder's book Starting to Watercolor or something like that. He stated that he loved Hilder's book and used it for reference for many years. I had to put him on pause to see if I could find the book [hope] and your channel came up with other suggestions. Naturally I chose your channel. I am just learning watercolor. I painted in oils for many years. I then went to colored pencil (not liking the time it took me to cleanup, particularly my brushes]. Naturally I had to learn a most important concept and that was going from white to dark wherein it was the opposite in oils or acrylic. I love landscape painting, most particularly late fall into winter. There is nothing more interesting than a tree without leaves. One then sees their true beauty. I will check your channel out.
This book is by Angela Gehr ,1986, the introduction is by Rowland Hilder, from what I can tell- thanks for review- looks like there’s a Rowland hilder book called Starting with Watercolors idk if that’s any good
I have recently purchased the book “Successful Watercolour Painting” ISBN 0-00-412129-5
Published by HarperCollins with Angela Gair the Editor
I went to several sites and all were fairly expensive for me from £25 to £95.
I wasn’t put off and after further searching I eventually found one for £5.40 (UK shipping cost zero)
I received it today it was in very good condition and it is exactly the same as Patrick Ley Greaves showed us in the video above
My searches using Rowland Hilder as the writer did not give me what I wanted
I was much more successful with searches using Angela Gair
Good Luck
@@MrColinjoyce I hope the Angela Gair book is the same book as shown in the video because I bought it. I too had no luck doing a search for "Successful Watercolour Painting Rowland Hilder." All that came up was "Successful Watercolour Painting introduced by Rowland Hilder Angela Gair."
@@elpasomark3069 was it the same book?
@@camillaablom Yes, it is.
@@elpasomark3069 Thank you! 😊
Fun pass through! Thank you! Would love to spend time on the flower chapters!
You’re carrying on his work of inspiring, sharing and encouraging. Glad to see a well loved book. 📘🎨👍
Thank you Big C he was truly an inspiration which has helped to full fill my life and appreciate art to the full.
Thank you Patrick. I managed to buy a used copy of this book through U.K. Amazon. Great book. Miss you you tube videos. Hope your keeping well and will eventually be back.
I did the same after watching this and found an excellent used copy on Amazon. I must say the examples in the book are all consistently good.... a great recommendation. My copy is a 1992 reprint, hardback, Editor Angela Gair. I see some editions state she is the author. The paintings are by Rowland Hilder, Charles Reid, Richard Bolton, John Pike, Tom Hill, David Millard, Philip Jamison, John Blockley, Zoltan Szabo, William McNamara, E John Robinson, and maybe one or two I have missed but they are indeed all masters of watercolour and rarely do you see such a fine set of inspiring work in a single book. A fabulous book with practical discussion everywhere
Love you videos and the watercolour book is amazing. It makes me want to paint and Patrick you have inspired me also thank you
Patrick I am going to try more of the stuff you have done and I am fifty years old so I am learning a lot from you .
Thank you for sharing your videos and god bless you always and have a great weekend.
Thanks Linda I am pleased you feel inspired by his work too. He certainly inspired me to paint. Let me know how you get on with painting my work too :) Have a great weekend too. :)
Gréât vidéo ! Very interesting and informative!
Lovely book and video. Inspiring. Thank you.
Thanks Jackie I'm pleased you enjoyed it.
The book is by Angela Gair I believe..........Rowland Hilder wrote the foreword.
Thanks, this helped me source a low price copy of this excellent book.
Great book! I love the design element to his paintings. So pleasing to the eye.
Agreed Gary superb design to Rowland Hilders paintings. :)
What a wonderful artist. I love his style and can certainly see his influence in your work, even though you are entirely original - if that makes sense. I can see that book has been well loved and well used. Thanks for sharing it.
Thanks Patricia. I once saw a watercolour of Rowland Hilders hanging in a gallery in the UK a huge painting about 4ft x 3ft depicting old sailing ships, gallons from days gone by. The drawing and painting were remarkable. Sadly the painting was stolen a few weeks later not sure if they ever recovered it :(
I got the book based on the recommendation in this video and I look forward to using it to improve my painting. I have a few other Rowland HIlder books and he is an outstanding artist. Just breathtaking.
Hi I was just wondering if you might be able to tell me where you ordered your book from I’ve been looking online and cannot find anywhere. I can find other books by Rowland Hilder But not this particular one. Any help would be awesome thank you
@@jayneyharmony I had the same problem! There is a link to the book below the video. But, the confusion is because the book is NOT written by Rowland Hilder. It's written by Angela Gair. It has a section on Rowland Hilder. It's still a good book. I also bought some other books written by Rowland Hilder which are good and go into more detail.
@@StClair008 thanks so much I saw that book and thought maybe that was it. Thanks for replying I really appreciate the help. Have a lovely day. 👍🎨😁
@@jayneyharmony You are welcome! It took me a bit to figure it out myself, so I'm glad to help another!
Enjoyed the video very much, especially the stage by stage illustrations, they can be studied each slowly, as modern videos don't give enough time to study each stage. Thanks!
Thanks Charles. I'ts a great book and cherish my copy.
Misleading title - this is a collection of lessons by lots of different artists’ from their books. I recognize some of them! (Roland Hilder being just one of many.)
Coincidence Patrick, hope this doesn't sound too trite. But I had a treasure of painting information, the pictures were the same as in your book, they started me off on my long and happy journey. This contained the pictures of Rowland Hilder, Charles Reade and Zoltan Szabo. Various examples, from this book, that were shown in a free give away monthly series called I think, Painting and Drawing, that came with, again I'm not sure.... Australian Artist magazine? You even could get red binders with gold lettering to put your collections in, as they accrued. Got me going, still painting, but alas, I don't have my collection of these anymore. Came across, a student artist, who showed promise and was keen, but needed to learn basics... so I gave him, my treasure, to start him on his way too.
Amazing, I also did the Forest Road demonstration, among others and yes, it also had a remarkable affect on my painting. So much so, I still have it hanging in a corner, as a reminder, my very first framed watercolour.
Fortunately now we have Patricks great videos and now he's just taken us down memory lane with his Rowland Hilder book... though.... I might try and get a copy... great reference stuff and great pictures. Thanks Patrick mate, lovely video.
Sorry for the late reply Fred. It was so interesting reading your short story. What a lovely thing to do pass down the same material that inspired you to paint. I don't know the magazine but you obviously loved your copies and looked after them just as well you did! Thanks for the positive comment regarding my videos i am pleased they are of use to others. All the best and happy painting!
Definitely need a book such has this one Patrick-looks amazing. Noticed from replies below that someone has given the source. Thank you for sharing this with us.
This is such a wonderful book. Thank you for this video. I would order soon.
Amazing book Thank you for showing it.
Your welcome thank you for taking the time to comment.
What a well loved special book, many of the paintings in the book could be on the market today. I guess you could say they have a timeless quality. At the end you did show water crashing on the rocks, which does look very similar work. The early 80s we lived in Tulsa, OK. It was a time before cell phones etc and books were very important. Thanks for sharing. Take care and have a great weekend.
Thanks Essie I’m pleased you could see a similarity with the waves crashing. I must of learnt something! Have a great weekend too :)
Pure Watercolour Patrick Ley-Greaves I found a couple of his used books on line at Amazon, look forward to reading them. Thanks again for the information.
That looks like an excellent book,like you I'm self taught and always learning.My inspiration books are north light books,watercolor basics, specifically one by Zoltan Szabo called trees ,mts and rocks.Also enjoy the magazine watercolor artists. thanks for inspiring us and never say never as we all are trying to crack it!😀
Yes, there is some of Zoltan Szabo work in my book he is an awesome painter another master of colour. Zoltan inspired me with greens, strangely enough, brilliant artist, I will look out for the book you mention. Thank you for taking the time to comment and watch my videos :)
Agh, I've been trying to get this book for ages!, no luck...
Just watched your video - never saw that book but recognized a lot of the pictures from Chas. Reid and some other artists. I will try and get that book - thank you for making the video and showing it.
There currently selling used copies of the book on amazon up there is a link underneath the video description if your interested. Thank you for taking the time to comment.
This book looks amazing ( by the way your art is impressive !!!) I tried to buy this book and it isn’t available to the US. So sad :( I love watercolor and your videos are very helpful!! Thank you !! I am inspired to work anew in my sketchbooks :)
Thank you so much. I am sorry you're unable to locate a copy of the book. Keep an eye on eBay often used copies appear for sale.
Amazon is where I ordered mine. It was Amazon.uk but shipping wasn't bad. Got it in about 2 weeks, its a great book and very inexpensive.
I do have this book! One of my beloved collection of watercolour books! I found it in a very old bookshop that sadly no longer exists! 🙁
Sad thing many book shops are disappearing most are going online. Pleased to know you have a copy too there getting harder to find.
I have that book. The introduction was by Hilder. The book was written by Angela Gaire.
Strangely enough my first watercolour book was Rowland Hilder's "Painting Landscapes in Watercolour" in the early 80's, Along with "Fresh Watercolour" by Ray Campbell Smith, and still look at them now and again...lol, I learned a lot from these two book's.
Oh Yes Old Timer I remember Ray Cambell Smith to another awesome artist. Looks like I have quite a few subscribers on TH-cam around my age. It's been great to read there responses to this video. Like you I learnt so much too, no internet and youtube in those days.
Thank you for sharing with us!
Your welcome thanks for watching and commenting :)
Great old book. I've seen it before many years ago.
Thanks Crystal its a great book. Brings back happy memories.
I have Charles Reid dvds and Roland hilder books including this one .another artist who is on a par with them is Tony couch his book ,You can do it, is fantastic
You uploaded it before my birth June 24, 2002. Thanks.
Sorry about that :)
Why you are saying sorry to me? This is amazing.
Thanks a lot, great video!
Wonderful video. I love watercolor books. Tried to find this one online, not even the name comes up with a search. Hmmm?
Great book - excellent video - but the author is Angela Gair … only the introduction is written by Rowland Hilder
Thanks, this helped me source a low price copy of this excellent book.
nice book thanks for showing it to us
Your welcome Ian.
beautiful book......the paintings are so alive and vibrant.Thanks for sharing it.
Your more than welcome thanks for taking the time to comment
Hi Patrick, I looked on Amazon UK and it is Rowland Hilder
Thanks Philippe I’m feeling a bit of a fool . I appreciate you pulling me up on that :)
No problem, it shows that your audience is attentively watching :-)
Un livre vraiment inspirant, merci de nous partager votre passion pour l’aquarelle.
J’ai trouvé sur Amazon.ca un exemplaire et j’ai bien hâte de le recevoir.
Thank you Ginette for the link.
Thanks for sharing
After seeing this video i bought the book.. It is so awesome with great tips and techniques and answers all my questions .. Wish i had bought it earlier.. Thankyou
Hi there I have been looking online for somewhere to buy this beautiful book and I’m having no luck at all would you be willing to share where you bought your copy from please? Thanks very much
Very interesting
Dear Patrick, i've watched a lot of TH-cam videos and you are one of the best watercolour artist i have seen, if there was a reprint of this book, you should be in it.
Thanks Gary your words are very kind. The overall response to the video has been fantastic I am so pleased I made it. Hope it helps to inspire others.
Patrick, i have ordered this book on your recommendation. I am not sure however, if this book is written by Angela Gehr with the introduction by Hilder or if this book was actually written by Hilder.
Patrick-that book looks great. I checked Amazon and they did not have it unfortunately.
There was some used copies going on amazon uk not sure if there still available. There’s a link under the video description. Hope that helps.
Thanks for sharing...ordered 🙂
Your welcome Lisa it making the video was a nice trip down memory lane for me enjoyed it very much.
That book is $1000 on US Amazon, but others of his books are $3.99 so ordered one of his beginner books. Huge fan of Charles Reid so I know I will enjoy this too although will never achieve their level of skill.
Geez it’s good but not that good. Seen them second user on amazon uk for £1.00 . Love Charles Reid’s work too awesome painter.
Out of print and I'm not finding it on line even used. But I found his Starting With Watercolor and a couple other of his books for sale used.
I have recently purchased the book “Successful Watercolour Painting” ISBN 0-00-412129-5
Published by HarperCollins with Angela Gair the Editor
I went to several sites and all were fairly expensive for me from £25 to £95.
I wasn’t put off and after further searching I eventually found one for £5.40 (UK shipping cost zero)
I received it today it was in very good condition and it is exactly the same as Patrick Ley Greaves showed us in the video above
My searches using Rowland Hilder as the writer did not give me what I wanted. He wrote the Introduction.
I was much more successful with searches using Angela Gair
Thanks for sharing. I hope to find that book :)
Your welcome lizajane there may still be some used copies available on amazon there’s a link under the video description if your interested.
Thanks!
i love books. Doesn’t matter what kind. They represent one of man’s achievements separating him from the animals so I don’t mean to offend by my comment although it might. Please turn pages of a book from the top right corner of a page. Anywhere else risks unnecessary damage.
Thank you will take your advice onboard.
I think what may be throwing people is that the book is by Angela Gair, not Rowland Hilder :) Its available on US and UK Amazon as well as ABE books. All the prices are reasonable. Its published by Harper Collins and the ISBNs are: ISBN 10: 0004121295 ISBN 13: 9780004121291. I just picked up a copy on ABE books for $17 AUD shipped to Western Australia or about ten quid :)
PS: Thankyou SO much for your videos. I'm doing the St Michael's Mount one and am just waiting for my stormy sky to dry :)
hey patrick, i’m italian and I’m not sure about the book’s origin in Amazon Italy. In your link I’ve not seen any photo of this book, and if I Search in my Amazon “Successful Watecolor Painting Angela Gair” there’s a book without any photo too. (so I don’t know if they’re the same books). This book is expensive for me (from €100 to €300) and, how I’ve told you, I’m not sure about this. Yes, I also know that the book’s language is english, but I want to translate everything if this is necessary. I hope you’ll apologize me for the bad english, but I really like ALL of your art style, and if you’ve taken ideas from this book I have to buy it.
Thank you for sharing your experience . The book is amazing. I have been working in acrylics and want to try watercolour, is that book still in print?
I will definitely follow you to help me with watercolour.
Hi Margo, I dont think the book is in print anymore but there are used copies to be found on amazon. Thanks for the comment.
Hi thanks for reviewing this amazing book I have just been looking online and there are a lot of other Rowland Hilder books available but I cannot find a single copy of the one you’re talking about. Would you have any idea where I may be able to purchase this book from online please?
Hey, I managed to get the book this week on uk's amazon for 3£. It's second hand but the condition is great. I think there are only a few copies left last time I checked.
Can’t find it online anywhere.😩
Rowland Hilder used Lamp Black effectively.
Certainly did. Thanks for your contribution.
The book is authored by Angela Gair though
This book is available in our local library
Great to hear its available in the Library . Thanks for taking the time to comment.
Thanks for the tip. Do you like Nita Engle's work?
I do have one of Nitas books “how to make Watercolour paint itself” fantastic book by a wonderful artist.
Do you know if this book is the same as the one titled "Starting in Watercolour," which is now available as a used book. I couldn't find the title "Successful Watercolour Painting."
www.amazon.co.uk/Successful-Watercolour-Painting-Angela-Gair/dp/0004121295
Thank you! This was very helpful as I was searching for the book under Rowland Hilder's name, when it was actually written byAngela Gair, with Hilder having written the Foreword. I have ordered it!
Thanks for the link.
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Is this book still in print?
😁
Thanks Renalyn:)
Wondering why I didn't buy the Charles Reid book lol
But the book is by Angela Gair..
I like the book you are showing. Where can I purchase that book in the US? It would be a great book to have. Dana
HI Dana I can only find it available in the UK i am sure they would send to the states. Currently only used copies too, for less than £1.00 + P&P there is a link in under the video in the video description.
I need a book like this!
I think there’s still some used copies available on amazon uk there’s a link under the video description if your still interested.
Very inspiring but what is the title of this book??
www.amazon.co.uk/Successful-Watercolour-Painting-Angela-Gair/dp/0004121295
Dang! Not currently available from Amazon US or UK, or e-bay. :(
Just found some used copies available in the UK for less than a $1.00 +P&P there is a link under the video in the description. Hope that helps .
Those used copies don't seem to show for those of us outside of the UK on amazon.com.uk. :(
I purchased the book "Starting with Watercolour" by Rowland Hilder. Not very good sending it back.
Hi Paul I can’t comment on the book starting with Watercolour I don’t own it.
What is the title of the book can we still get it who is the publisher thank you
www.amazon.co.uk/Successful-Watercolour-Painting-Angela-Gair/dp/0004121295
That's not it - it's Successful Watercolour Painting by Rowland Hilder and is on the Amazon UK site.
The rest of the info has been added by others the publisher of my copy was Collins
Where can we find that book?
There is a link to it under my video description amazon uk had a few used copies available not sure if there is any but possibly worth a look. Hope that helps.