I remember over 20 years ago installing VMWare workstation for the first time, it was magical. Today hearing the name VMWare makes my skin crawl. Props to all the great engineers that worked on those products. Your management and Broadcom not so much.
Yeah. Up to that point I was using multiple PCs with removable drives in my network lab. I went out and got a new badass PC so I could run it all from just the one. Not anymore.
This reminds me of Computer Associates years (decades) ago, whose financial model was buying up niche software vendors and living off the licensing fees of entrenched customers.
Ah yeah I was stuck with CA TNG and all its acquisitions stapled and hung together with sticky tape and rubber bands and was sold to offload work of IT staff only that it needed a crap ton of scripting to implement the basics - alerts would drop out into cmd batch files or to in my days turbo pascal exes and the darn thing needed rebooting every other day - crap product but CA were good in bringing in the sexy pre-sales gals to get a contract over the line and once signed be stuck with some guy assisting in implementing it (so disappointing).
Symantec PcAnywhere..... Ghost (the disk imaging software)...... Pretty Good Protection.... Verisign.... and now VM ware..... Been a customer of these products for years ... then a company comes in and buys them seemingly only to destroy them
@@alphabasic1759 virtualization is a commodity, Virtualbox , parallels, etc are there as well - there is no shortage of options for "the average user". At an enterprise level Xenserver 8+ and Proxmox are viable options. Hyper-V has come a long way, but I would prefer my host not be bloated by running on Windows.
@@alphabasic1759 ProxMox isn't an option but VMWare was? Proxmox is trivially easy to setup and any Linux IT Admin will have no problem setting up a Proxmox Cluster, and proxmox has enterprise level support options.
The push to ‘the cloud’ reminds me of the push to ‘just in time’ supply chains back in the 1990s. It’s great when everything is humming along. It’s a crisis when it’s not. Except now EVERYTHING can be brought to a stop (can you say ‘CrowdStrike’?). That’s not even taking into account whatever electronic warfare plagues the superpowers are honing.
You failed to mention XCP-ng based on XenServer (VMware competitor) with a direct feature set is available. Xen Hypervisor is quite mature as VMware as this is the Hypervisor that AWS used for years.
I was waiting for the XCP-ng mention - I'm amazed at the lack of suppliers in the UK who are Vates partners. I think that's the cloest option to a drop in replacement to VMware. I know Proxmox is super popular with homelabbers, but (not having used it much) my impression is that XCP-ng & XO (or XOA if you want to pay for support) are a closer fit to ESXi/vSphere I'm in progress with a project moving everything off ESXi and on to XCP-ng and I've been really impressed with both the system and with the conversations I've had with Vates
Broadcom are a platinum member of the World Economic Forum and are active in the implementation of the Fourth Industrial Revolution. This purchase is about applying more pressure on the industry to move companies into the cloud.
@@Locutus Broadcom’s Laureen Knudsen recently joined the WEF's Impact Circle to collaborate on "Digital Transformation". Google, Microsoft, Oracle, Apple and over 1000 of the largest corporations in the world are WEF partners. Nothing tinfoil going on. No theories required.
I heard that Broadcom just plans to hike prices continuously. They don't care about losing marketshare or customers. The will be customers that have huge ecosystems with Broadcom that they can't rip it out.
At VM Explore this year, I saw what I once thought was an impossibility: a big slide that read "The Future of the Enterprise is Private", along with another that showed that 83% of enterprises plat to bring workloads back into their private cloud and off the public cloud. As someone who never jumped into the cloud, I found that quite amusing.
We don’t have a lot but we have a good few on site VMware systems, this in connection with the windows 11 requirements has given me quite a headache. But I it made me go out and have a look a round and Proxmox to the rescue.
I have taken a look at Proxmox and it seems to be a good path forward. Some quirks, but that's to be expected and I haven't seen a major showstopper yet. I'll need to test out some more before going further. I did look at xcp-ng first but that didn't seem to be a good option in a network that has to be isolated. Hyper-V seems to be two steps behind VMware today.
The messaging was the most infuriating part. "Something fundamental is changing" "Okay what is the impact on our budget? 15%? 20%?" "Could be, could be more. Could be less." "Why did you even bring this up if you don't know anything about it. Just to increase panic?"
As a small provider with about 1200 CPUs, our biggest pain has been the lack of support (now we're forced to go through an aggregator) and the fact Advanced Load Balancer standard was dropped and we are forced to pay full premium price, meaning we've been switching over to HA proxy. I don't know how they were allowed to do this considering ALB standard was the replacement to NSX LB which is about to be deprecated. ALB is the only LB that is integrated into VCD also, so we lose that. As a VMware trained engineer I have lost all excitement for the products.
What are you talking about? The LB was announced over a year ago they are deprecating it in favor of AVI instead. Which is a much better LB product that they acquired years ago. Support from Microsoft also goes through 3rd party partners as well. Most major software vendors so this.
@@bloodinthestreet I think you didn't read my comment properly. ALB = AVI, and ALB standard is the free version which has been replacing the NSX-T LB over the last year or so. They have dropped that free version forcing you to use only the premium ALB/AVI even for simple HTTP load balancing. So essentially once the NSX-T LB is fully deprecated (in v5) we'll have no way to do load balancing without paying the premium cost for at least 2 service engines of ALB premium.
At the beginning of this year we were a 15+ year customer of VMware with no current plans to switch. At this moment, we plan to be completely off VMware within 12 months. It was good while it lasted.
@@johnmcginnis9391 Goes back to Great Depression when Morgan called in margin loans (the people used to purchase stocks in companies and used the dividends to either pay off the loans or once paid off, use for retirement). Then Rothschild & fiends bought up all those stocks a penny in the $. Central Bankster smash & grab. Competition between these companies and contracts between them on the basis of merit is an illusion and misused to squeeze every drop of energy out of the worker leaving very little, if any to enjoy life.
2:57 we still waiting for quotes, asked 2 different sellers in Germany, no one could provide anything. Evev buyin VMware Workstation license has not been processed since April......
The purchase should never have been allowed. It makes no sense to anyone least of all the user base. It’s not as though VMWare were growing. It feels like this has been done for nefarious reasons
I am shocked at how little they understand about what is happening at VMware. Sounds mostly like a sales pitch about how they are full Microsoft. Talks about private cloud but doesn't under stand the VCF stack. All of the products are still there. Bundled at the highest license levels and features. Aria is in the bundles. The product teams have multi year roadmaps. Microsoft and AWS have raised their prices year after year more than other vendors. Microsofts most popular service is Azure VMware Services which is just VCF on Microsoft baremetal. 🤣
How about healthcare organization (hospitals etc) who still have many clinical data management data systems on premises and are reluctant or impossible to move this from VMware to public cloud.
Broadcom is probably counting on this. Increased prices will be buried in the general price hike in everything healthcare. A calculated gouge of healthcare system is a common tactic among MBA types.
HIPPA guarantees this. Google tried to get into the market and dropped it. If a hospital wanted to get benefits of cloud like services will have to roll their own with something like OpenStack. At least here in the US.
Curious, is Azure Vmware Service a good alternative? Does Azure offer better Support or cost control because the service runs in their cloud? Or is Azure native the better alternative? I have lots of very large enterprise customers who are scrambling to come up with alternatives.
@@bloodinthestreet its actually running on vSAN hyperconverged in the MS DC under the covers. Question is more should a customer feel more comfortable using AVS because its being procured from MS than BCOM itself. Does MS have control on pricing and Support so they dont have to deal with BCOM?
@@MazterChief871 it's running on Microsoft bare metal or vSAN ready nodes. It is still just VCF which uses vSAN like all the other VMware VCF offers rebranded in all the hyper scalers.
I used to run VMs on my laptop using VMWare, but no more. As a positive I’m now longer gouged by their prices. They no longer well anything I can use. So now,…virtual box.
We are Partners and support small businesses using VMware ranging from one to six hosts since VMware 3. All of our customers have good reasons for running their services on premises. VSphere and VSan are the workhorses in those small shops. We're tending towards Suse Harvester for our hyperconverged needs.
I used to work on similar cases as well with servers that provided basic networking services for OT setups. Not going to move DHCP or NTP to cloud. In the future, containers might work as well on the basic needs, luckily avoided HA setups since duplicating the services was not an issue.
You don't know you're going to get good P1 support from Broadcom, until you have had a P1, and that is also true of Azure and Microsoft, whose whole support isn't stellar. Maybe you have to get software upgrades via your Broadcom support, but your P1 and other technical support from very good third-parties.
@@basdfgwe we have Microsoft Enterprise support, but not very impressed. We only log very complex issues which we can't solve, we fix most things ourselves.
I have decades of experience with MS Premier Support and that service is top notch. It’s not cheap but when the proverbial turd hits the fan MS pulls out all the stops. My worst case was a SharePoint update that went sideways and set versions of everything to 1.0. EVERYTHING. Sites, Libraries and documents. My employer was required to be ISO compliant so this was an automatic Sev A. In country support tried for two days to resolve and couldn’t. Got escalated to the product team and MS flew out a guy from Hungary with his usb of SQL scripts and we spent the next week in a cubicle getting SPP working from recovery.
Guys, about pricing Azure or AWS can rise prices too in 2-3 years. Broadcom already jacked the prices as much as they felt they need. Now it is level field. ....and public cloud with 10x to 100x price of storage vs local storage... well not really workable solution. Should I add that IOPS in public cloud is at the mercy of the provider and your data base could be as slow as snail all the time and basically you cannot deliver your services
Laughs in Proxmox. I’ll have to tell my largest - 265 server environment - client to feel better about the price rises because at least they are now on a level playing field. VMWare is now for the lazy (but cashed-up).
@@electrosaurus seems you found great option provided you have all the functions you need I found strange the claim that Azure is the answer to all... to me all forms of public cloud extortion largely failed - from IaaS trough PaaS to SaaS. IT is all ways to pay more than needed, get suboptimal service and get your data stolen.
Proxmox is interesting and I run it in my test lab. But it can't compete (feature-wise or at scale) with VMware, Nutanix, etc. Also, their support isn't on par.
In my books, public cloud was never been more problematic with the move Broadcom just did. If relaying on software vendor is locking you in, imagine adding also the infra portion on the equation. It is the equivalent to turn and give someone your second chick to slap you :D ...
I used to consult in VMware for a very long time - moved away from that to hyper-v and then azure in 2012, can’t believe people still use it. And funny enough I consulted in Novell for many years before that and ditched that for Microsoft. As an it professional If you only know VMware and refused to learn alternatives - you only have yourself to blame, it’s been dying for a decade. VMware in Azure is pointlessly expensive and only championed by those that refuse to retrain and innovate.
I know there are people (noobs and boobs) that accept otherwise... BUT -- the way things normally work is that whenever company with a product (A) is bought by anyone else -- then despite promises from that new buyer... assume and get used to and prepare for the fact that product A is history! The new company will buy it only to destroy the product. That's the safest assumption to make and history bears that out. The wait-and-see concept is just so patently stupid that I cannot even muster sympathy for those fools.
Why did Vmware do this, now i need to create a profile on a site that i will never use just to download my program, i just want to use Vmware for fun not for business :(
When beancounters start to dictate business, the business dies. MS is starting to do this as well and losing marketshare left and right. What does that teach you? Always have a Plan B and ideally C ready to go.
This move also forces the hand for those that use on prem or even hosted private cloud to shift to public cloud and PaaS. They want us all to be forever renters. We never own anything, we just rent it, thus ensuring total dependency on the landlord. The rent will increase to whatever they say it will. One CEO even recently tried to justify why we would want to pay a monthly subscription for our mouse. Yeah that's right, they want you to literally rent your mouse.
Not sure what good ownership does of hardware or infrastructure software that has a short shelf life. A hobbyist has the flexibility to allow for older hardware or an unpatched system to hang out, and only have themselves to answer to if something goes wrong. I agree consumer based systems should support ownership, but for business and enterprise class systems, ownership leads to change resistance which leads to technical debt which leads to a huge risk of a large consulting company coming in to tell business leaders they need to do less with more. They will fire everyone, admins and engineers, as well as tell leaders to use contractors and off shore talent, but you will feel superior for telling large corpo to “take a hike”.
@@En-Pea-Sea I disagree with this. How do you think data centers, like AWS and Google do it? They have good hardware lifecycle management. I tell you what gets you fired, going all in with the cloud and then your budget is 5 x what it was before and there is no way to scale down or migrate away from your current CSP. I've watched it happen multiple times to CIOs. If your a cloud native company, e.g. you were born in the cloud then it's a bit easier to manage your environment growth and to some extend your costs. Patching? Yeah it's called patch management. Guess what, if you don't have solid processes on-prem you are not going to have them magically going to the cloud.
We do a mix of private hosting and Cloud (Azure). The advantage of PaaS/SaaS is that its relatively easy to move it amongst providers, or even host it yourself, which does provide protection against the price gouging Broadcom is doing.
@@JohnWalsh2019 if you are running your business applications on a home made, open source only, without support from a responsible org, you are going to have a bad time. Your time gets even worse when you think paying for a software package and then wondering why there are no more patches for the version you paid for. Oh yeah thats right, you need to pay for annual support and possibly constant upgrades costs too. Get a subscription, pay an annual fee you can scale up or down annually based on needs and get patches and u-grades as long as your sub is active. This is how MS, has done it for years and no one complains about it anymore, as long as they get value out of it.
As a customer, the worst part of the new pricing model is that we have to effectively re-buy VMware every 3 years. In other words, I have 3 years to move my company's infra off of VMware, so we don't get r*ped again on year 4.
Support renewals are cheaper than repurchasing the license. Not everyone wants to be a forever renter in a public cloud environment. Let's also not forget budgeting Capex vs Opex and how the cloud impacts a company's ability to depreciate assets. I know businesses that are literally being bled dry because they are locked into cloud environments or SaaS solutions. It's bankrupting the businesses because they cannot manage their cloud costs and the rent never goes down.
@@JohnWalsh2019 I wish our upper mgmt would understand this, we've tried to warn them about ballooning cloud costs and how with current retention strategy the bills will continue to climb for years....
You will not continue to get VMWare level support under Broadcom. This will be the next area to reduce costs and improve EBITA, support for all will move to India without the engineers you are used to using, or at least significantly less engineers to support you.
VMWare is 100% dead to me. If you're a CTO and you're not planning your exit strategy then there's something seriously wrong with you and you should not have that role.
@@darylallen2485 Cloud native not a well defined term. Almost all apps can be containerized and used in Kubernetes. You can implement certain things better to make it more Kubernetes friendly - example: Graceful termination, health check probes but even without that the application can run as is on Kubernetes. Interested in knowing what challenges you faced or anticipate facing while moving to Kubernetes?
I think docker containers/micro services are the future. One could maintain their own private cloud doing this. And, it might be an opportunity for one of the smaller virtual platforms to step up and take over. I personally feel this is bad news about VMware and a way to force everyone to AWS or Azure. They went us renting and never owning.
@@JohnWalsh2019 well technically docker still runs on a VM in the cloud. You need an OS to install it on such as Linux same for Kubernetes clusters. You are pretty much using both.
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I remember over 20 years ago installing VMWare workstation for the first time, it was magical. Today hearing the name VMWare makes my skin crawl. Props to all the great engineers that worked on those products. Your management and Broadcom not so much.
Yeah. Up to that point I was using multiple PCs with removable drives in my network lab. I went out and got a new badass PC so I could run it all from just the one. Not anymore.
This reminds me of Computer Associates years (decades) ago, whose financial model was buying up niche software vendors and living off the licensing fees of entrenched customers.
Who were also bought by Broadcom.
@@kaborocircle of enshitification
I remember the CF that Unicenter was from the early 2000's...
Ah yeah I was stuck with CA TNG and all its acquisitions stapled and hung together with sticky tape and rubber bands and was sold to offload work of IT staff only that it needed a crap ton of scripting to implement the basics - alerts would drop out into cmd batch files or to in my days turbo pascal exes and the darn thing needed rebooting every other day - crap product but CA were good in bringing in the sexy pre-sales gals to get a contract over the line and once signed be stuck with some guy assisting in implementing it (so disappointing).
@@w4gap agree unicenter tng a major CF the dism from memory didnt talk to other components only started cmd shells right carp.
Broadcom have decided they are going to claw back 80% of the purchase price within the first 8 years because after that the product will be dead.
I doubt it will take 8 years to die.
The biggest enterprise consumers of VMWare will already be moving.
No-one will be joining as new customers.
Symantec PcAnywhere..... Ghost (the disk imaging software)...... Pretty Good Protection.... Verisign.... and now VM ware.....
Been a customer of these products for years ... then a company comes in and buys them seemingly only to destroy them
You Better add Oracle to that list for what they did to Sun Microsystems
Broadcom seems to be following the old Martin Shkreli playbook.
Xenserver 8+ , Hyper-V and Proxmox are all good options for replacing VMware, even for some of the more advanced features.
Hyper-v sucks and ProxMox isn’t an option for the average user.
@@alphabasic1759 virtualization is a commodity, Virtualbox , parallels, etc are there as well - there is no shortage of options for "the average user".
At an enterprise level Xenserver 8+ and Proxmox are viable options.
Hyper-V has come a long way, but I would prefer my host not be bloated by running on Windows.
@@alphabasic1759 ProxMox isn't an option but VMWare was?
Proxmox is trivially easy to setup and any Linux IT Admin will have no problem setting up a Proxmox Cluster, and proxmox has enterprise level support options.
@@alphabasic1759 Hyper-V does suck agree there but proxmox WTF, and average users would not be setting it up but at the sametime proxmox seemed easy.
vBox ??
Broadcom is where software goes to die. --- Former Broadcom/Symantec Engineer --
Thought there was another Attachmate? something bought all the software that was going to die CA did the same.
Oracle too.
The push to ‘the cloud’ reminds me of the push to ‘just in time’ supply chains back in the 1990s. It’s great when everything is humming along. It’s a crisis when it’s not. Except now EVERYTHING can be brought to a stop (can you say ‘CrowdStrike’?). That’s not even taking into account whatever electronic warfare plagues the superpowers are honing.
I’m a former VMware/Pivotal employee and the entire acquisition made me so sad
You failed to mention XCP-ng based on XenServer (VMware competitor) with a direct feature set is available. Xen Hypervisor is quite mature as VMware as this is the Hypervisor that AWS used for years.
I was waiting for the XCP-ng mention - I'm amazed at the lack of suppliers in the UK who are Vates partners. I think that's the cloest option to a drop in replacement to VMware. I know Proxmox is super popular with homelabbers, but (not having used it much) my impression is that XCP-ng & XO (or XOA if you want to pay for support) are a closer fit to ESXi/vSphere
I'm in progress with a project moving everything off ESXi and on to XCP-ng and I've been really impressed with both the system and with the conversations I've had with Vates
I didn't know what it was when i read your comment, but when i googled it.. wait it's open source? damn
@@TheHighborn I'd definitely recommend trying it out if you need a very scaleable hypervisor.
you know, I haven't actually played with xenserver in a long time, I should spin up some spare nodes on it. Thanks for the reminder.
@@TheHighborn XCP-NG has excellent paid support as an option for those who require it
Our server team have already started at accelerating the removal of the product. 300 servers - all to be moved off to another service.
which service ? are you considering proxmox? (im a software engg. .. just curious what is happening in the industry)
Neutanics?
Hopefully to ProxMox which is a great alternative to vmware.
300 VMs? Or 300 ESXI hosts? 300 VMs isn’t all that much.
@@mattcargile We used to have our own Data Centres... Now we have load in Azure, and a few rotting corpses or machines that can't move.
Broadcom are a platinum member of the World Economic Forum and are active in the implementation of the Fourth Industrial Revolution. This purchase is about applying more pressure on the industry to move companies into the cloud.
You will own nothing and like it.
There is plenty of things to criticise Broadcom for. There is no need to make up things about them and the WEF. Take your tinfoil hat off.
@@Locutus Broadcom’s Laureen Knudsen recently joined the WEF's Impact Circle to collaborate on "Digital Transformation". Google, Microsoft, Oracle, Apple and over 1000 of the largest corporations in the world are WEF partners. Nothing tinfoil going on. No theories required.
@@Locutusmore skepticism would help you understand why companies make the decisions they make. Even if at first it sounds wild
I heard that Broadcom just plans to hike prices continuously. They don't care about losing marketshare or customers. The will be customers that have huge ecosystems with Broadcom that they can't rip it out.
At VM Explore this year, I saw what I once thought was an impossibility: a big slide that read "The Future of the Enterprise is Private", along with another that showed that 83% of enterprises plat to bring workloads back into their private cloud and off the public cloud. As someone who never jumped into the cloud, I found that quite amusing.
We don’t have a lot but we have a good few on site VMware systems, this in connection with the windows 11 requirements has given me quite a headache. But I it made me go out and have a look a round and Proxmox to the rescue.
I have taken a look at Proxmox and it seems to be a good path forward. Some quirks, but that's to be expected and I haven't seen a major showstopper yet.
I'll need to test out some more before going further. I did look at xcp-ng first but that didn't seem to be a good option in a network that has to be isolated.
Hyper-V seems to be two steps behind VMware today.
Proxmox, XCP-NG, Red Hat Openshift, Hyper-V, go cloud, etc.... Looking at all of the above.
An era of extraordinary product is going to be dead....huge respect for VMware Developers....
The messaging was the most infuriating part.
"Something fundamental is changing"
"Okay what is the impact on our budget? 15%? 20%?"
"Could be, could be more. Could be less."
"Why did you even bring this up if you don't know anything about it. Just to increase panic?"
As a small provider with about 1200 CPUs, our biggest pain has been the lack of support (now we're forced to go through an aggregator) and the fact Advanced Load Balancer standard was dropped and we are forced to pay full premium price, meaning we've been switching over to HA proxy. I don't know how they were allowed to do this considering ALB standard was the replacement to NSX LB which is about to be deprecated. ALB is the only LB that is integrated into VCD also, so we lose that.
As a VMware trained engineer I have lost all excitement for the products.
They're doing this to "streamline" their product line. Meaning fewer features they have to support and maintain.
What are you talking about? The LB was announced over a year ago they are deprecating it in favor of AVI instead. Which is a much better LB product that they acquired years ago.
Support from Microsoft also goes through 3rd party partners as well. Most major software vendors so this.
@@bloodinthestreet I think you didn't read my comment properly. ALB = AVI, and ALB standard is the free version which has been replacing the NSX-T LB over the last year or so. They have dropped that free version forcing you to use only the premium ALB/AVI even for simple HTTP load balancing.
So essentially once the NSX-T LB is fully deprecated (in v5) we'll have no way to do load balancing without paying the premium cost for at least 2 service engines of ALB premium.
At the beginning of this year we were a 15+ year customer of VMware with no current plans to switch. At this moment, we plan to be completely off VMware within 12 months. It was good while it lasted.
How many hosts? How many VMs? What platform will you be using?
Look at who the stock holders of broadcom & msft
-vanguard
- blackrock
think about that.
Heck you can say that for about all of the Fortune 1000.
@@johnmcginnis9391 Goes back to Great Depression when Morgan called in margin loans (the people used to purchase stocks in companies and used the dividends to either pay off the loans or once paid off, use for retirement). Then Rothschild & fiends bought up all those stocks a penny in the $. Central Bankster smash & grab. Competition between these companies and contracts between them on the basis of merit is an illusion and misused to squeeze every drop of energy out of the worker leaving very little, if any to enjoy life.
Won't the move to public cloud just expose the customers to similar price hikes at some point down the road?
2:57 we still waiting for quotes, asked 2 different sellers in Germany, no one could provide anything. Evev buyin VMware Workstation license has not been processed since April......
I tried downloading vmware workstation, the process made quit just after 3 steps
Building a career or company on a closed ecosystem has risks. Rather horrific risks.
The purchase should never have been allowed. It makes no sense to anyone least of all the user base. It’s not as though VMWare were growing. It feels like this has been done for nefarious reasons
Bingo! You'll be a forever renter in a cloud environment via AWS or M$ and be happy says the WEF, Bill Gates, and big government.
Are they consulted with Martin Shkreli?
Time to move to Virtual Box ? or is there any other better option, for PLC Engineer Vm's
I am shocked at how little they understand about what is happening at VMware. Sounds mostly like a sales pitch about how they are full Microsoft.
Talks about private cloud but doesn't under stand the VCF stack.
All of the products are still there. Bundled at the highest license levels and features. Aria is in the bundles.
The product teams have multi year roadmaps.
Microsoft and AWS have raised their prices year after year more than other vendors. Microsofts most popular service is Azure VMware Services which is just VCF on Microsoft baremetal. 🤣
Exactly he said they got ride of Aria haha when it’s in the product licenses lol
How about healthcare organization (hospitals etc) who still have many clinical data management data systems on premises and are reluctant or impossible to move this from VMware to public cloud.
Broadcom is probably counting on this. Increased prices will be buried in the general price hike in everything healthcare. A calculated gouge of healthcare system is a common tactic among MBA types.
@@stage6fan475 And this should be illegal. So it'll be interesting to see if the governments get involved in that.
@@Darkk6969 Sorry, I think the people doing the gouging make huge campaign contributions to both parties and thus always get a pass.
HIPPA guarantees this. Google tried to get into the market and dropped it. If a hospital wanted to get benefits of cloud like services will have to roll their own with something like OpenStack. At least here in the US.
Unlikely they will be able to switch with the lack of features currently available on the alternatives.
Curious, is Azure Vmware Service a good alternative? Does Azure offer better Support or cost control because the service runs in their cloud? Or is Azure native the better alternative? I have lots of very large enterprise customers who are scrambling to come up with alternatives.
AVS is just Vmware VCF on Microsoft bare metal in their datacenter. Its Microsofta most popular offering.
@@bloodinthestreet its actually running on vSAN hyperconverged in the MS DC under the covers. Question is more should a customer feel more comfortable using AVS because its being procured from MS than BCOM itself. Does MS have control on pricing and Support so they dont have to deal with BCOM?
@@MazterChief871 it's running on Microsoft bare metal or vSAN ready nodes. It is still just VCF which uses vSAN like all the other VMware VCF offers rebranded in all the hyper scalers.
@@bloodinthestreet people are moving fast off it along with AWS vmware
I used to run VMs on my laptop using VMWare, but no more. As a positive I’m now longer gouged by their prices. They no longer well anything I can use. So now,…virtual box.
You realize that vmware workstation is free now, right?
We are Partners and support small businesses using VMware ranging from one to six hosts since VMware 3. All of our customers have good reasons for running their services on premises. VSphere and VSan are the workhorses in those small shops. We're tending towards Suse Harvester for our hyperconverged needs.
I used to work on similar cases as well with servers that provided basic networking services for OT setups. Not going to move DHCP or NTP to cloud. In the future, containers might work as well on the basic needs, luckily avoided HA setups since duplicating the services was not an issue.
You don't know you're going to get good P1 support from Broadcom, until you have had a P1, and that is also true of Azure and Microsoft, whose whole support isn't stellar. Maybe you have to get software upgrades via your Broadcom support, but your P1 and other technical support from very good third-parties.
If you are on Enterprise support with microsoft, you get pretty good response.
@@basdfgwe we have Microsoft Enterprise support, but not very impressed. We only log very complex issues which we can't solve, we fix most things ourselves.
I have decades of experience with MS Premier Support and that service is top notch. It’s not cheap but when the proverbial turd hits the fan MS pulls out all the stops. My worst case was a SharePoint update that went sideways and set versions of everything to 1.0. EVERYTHING. Sites, Libraries and documents. My employer was required to be ISO compliant so this was an automatic Sev A. In country support tried for two days to resolve and couldn’t. Got escalated to the product team and MS flew out a guy from Hungary with his usb of SQL scripts and we spent the next week in a cubicle getting SPP working from recovery.
In my (limited) experience so far, Vates have been absolutely outstanding with XCP-ng/XOA - very helpful even before they see an order or any revenue
Friend is converting from VMware to hyper v over the pricing. Ouch.
If you are not one of the top 200 customers, bye bye. Maybe top 100. 14 years at Symantec, 4 years at Broadcom.
Proxmox baby!
Guys, about pricing Azure or AWS can rise prices too in 2-3 years. Broadcom already jacked the prices as much as they felt they need. Now it is level field.
....and public cloud with 10x to 100x price of storage vs local storage... well not really workable solution. Should I add that IOPS in public cloud is at the mercy of the provider and your data base could be as slow as snail all the time and basically you cannot deliver your services
Laughs in Proxmox. I’ll have to tell my largest - 265 server environment - client to feel better about the price rises because at least they are now on a level playing field. VMWare is now for the lazy (but cashed-up).
@@electrosaurus seems you found great option provided you have all the functions you need
I found strange the claim that Azure is the answer to all... to me all forms of public cloud extortion largely failed - from IaaS trough PaaS to SaaS. IT is all ways to pay more than needed, get suboptimal service and get your data stolen.
The king is dead! Long live Proxmox!
Proxmox is interesting and I run it in my test lab. But it can't compete (feature-wise or at scale) with VMware, Nutanix, etc. Also, their support isn't on par.
Didn't VMware pro become free like a few months back?
for home users snd for non commercial use only
In my books, public cloud was never been more problematic with the move Broadcom just did. If relaying on software vendor is locking you in, imagine adding also the infra portion on the equation. It is the equivalent to turn and give someone your second chick to slap you :D ...
Clouds will rain
I used to consult in VMware for a very long time - moved away from that to hyper-v and then azure in 2012, can’t believe people still use it. And funny enough I consulted in Novell for many years before that and ditched that for Microsoft.
As an it professional If you only know VMware and refused to learn alternatives - you only have yourself to blame, it’s been dying for a decade. VMware in Azure is pointlessly expensive and only championed by those that refuse to retrain and innovate.
Excellent discussion whether one is a MSP or not. Thx.
Broadcom should think if buying Adobe, at least thats a company we wouldn't care about watching it die
They require 5 year contracts, it’s a shame what happened
Classic start to video.
As we say in Denmark 🇩🇰 Broadcom have shot itself in both feet 😎
Been ditching all things Broadcom across the board. VMware is the last one. Currently running VDI's in Azure managed by VMware's software.
Lot of vmware going to AWS/Azure cloud they may have even had vmware on aws/azure seen companies scrambling away from those to straight clouds.
I know there are people (noobs and boobs) that accept otherwise... BUT -- the way things normally work is that whenever company with a product (A) is bought by anyone else -- then despite promises from that new buyer... assume and get used to and prepare for the fact that product A is history!
The new company will buy it only to destroy the product. That's the safest assumption to make and history bears that out. The wait-and-see concept is just so patently stupid that I cannot even muster sympathy for those fools.
Why did Vmware do this, now i need to create a profile on a site that i will never use just to download my program, i just want to use Vmware for fun not for business :(
Guys i have an idea. Buy a successful product, that everybody loves, and change it completely!
If you want to kill the self hosted cloud business this could almost be treated as a scam
Stay away from Cloud
The Financialization of Things (FoT) comes to software. The Financialization of Software (FoS).
When beancounters start to dictate business, the business dies. MS is starting to do this as well and losing marketshare left and right.
What does that teach you? Always have a Plan B and ideally C ready to go.
What does VMWare do that Proxmox doesn't?
A lot
@@bloodinthestreet Like?
VMware customer base will shrink. We were thinking about going with them. Now our head IT is going for HyperV 100%
How? Hyper-v was discontinued after server 2019.
Good video as always!
Amazing interview. How he got this CEO to talk is beyond me.
This move also forces the hand for those that use on prem or even hosted private cloud to shift to public cloud and PaaS. They want us all to be forever renters. We never own anything, we just rent it, thus ensuring total dependency on the landlord. The rent will increase to whatever they say it will. One CEO even recently tried to justify why we would want to pay a monthly subscription for our mouse. Yeah that's right, they want you to literally rent your mouse.
Not sure what good ownership does of hardware or infrastructure software that has a short shelf life. A hobbyist has the flexibility to allow for older hardware or an unpatched system to hang out, and only have themselves to answer to if something goes wrong. I agree consumer based systems should support ownership, but for business and enterprise class systems, ownership leads to change resistance which leads to technical debt which leads to a huge risk of a large consulting company coming in to tell business leaders they need to do less with more. They will fire everyone, admins and engineers, as well as tell leaders to use contractors and off shore talent, but you will feel superior for telling large corpo to “take a hike”.
@@En-Pea-Sea I disagree with this. How do you think data centers, like AWS and Google do it? They have good hardware lifecycle management. I tell you what gets you fired, going all in with the cloud and then your budget is 5 x what it was before and there is no way to scale down or migrate away from your current CSP. I've watched it happen multiple times to CIOs. If your a cloud native company, e.g. you were born in the cloud then it's a bit easier to manage your environment growth and to some extend your costs. Patching? Yeah it's called patch management. Guess what, if you don't have solid processes on-prem you are not going to have them magically going to the cloud.
We do a mix of private hosting and Cloud (Azure). The advantage of PaaS/SaaS is that its relatively easy to move it amongst providers, or even host it yourself, which does provide protection against the price gouging Broadcom is doing.
@@JohnWalsh2019 if you are running your business applications on a home made, open source only, without support from a responsible org, you are going to have a bad time.
Your time gets even worse when you think paying for a software package and then wondering why there are no more patches for the version you paid for. Oh yeah thats right, you need to pay for annual support and possibly constant upgrades costs too.
Get a subscription, pay an annual fee you can scale up or down annually based on needs and get patches and u-grades as long as your sub is active.
This is how MS, has done it for years and no one complains about it anymore, as long as they get value out of it.
You got Samueli-ed. 109 times and counting. If you dont understand the reference, you know nothing of the modern world post 1700ad.
VMware and virtualbox really went downhill. Personally I feel Qemu+KVM+GPU passthrough is a better option.
Love Proxmox
World Economic Forum have links to Broadcom. You do the math
No wonder we got slower at my old job. They sure decided to pivot to AI lol
I just use free stuff, so it doesn't affect me like those of you working in Enterprise ... godspeed 😢😅
A bit too late as this is old news thats close to year since broadcom purchased VMware.
RIP VMware!
We moved everything to Hyper-V and Azure because of this.
As a customer, the worst part of the new pricing model is that we have to effectively re-buy VMware every 3 years. In other words, I have 3 years to move my company's infra off of VMware, so we don't get r*ped again on year 4.
You always had to do support renewals. ALL software vendors are moving away from perpetual licenses.
Support renewals are cheaper than repurchasing the license. Not everyone wants to be a forever renter in a public cloud environment. Let's also not forget budgeting Capex vs Opex and how the cloud impacts a company's ability to depreciate assets. I know businesses that are literally being bled dry because they are locked into cloud environments or SaaS solutions. It's bankrupting the businesses because they cannot manage their cloud costs and the rent never goes down.
@@JohnWalsh2019 I wish our upper mgmt would understand this, we've tried to warn them about ballooning cloud costs and how with current retention strategy the bills will continue to climb for years....
You will not continue to get VMWare level support under Broadcom. This will be the next area to reduce costs and improve EBITA, support for all will move to India without the engineers you are used to using, or at least significantly less engineers to support you.
proxmox to the rescue.
This is why I only use open source software.
Broadcom, BEST HyperV Salesmen ever
I bet no can get quotes because legal is still going back and forth with their red lines 😂
VMWare is 100% dead to me. If you're a CTO and you're not planning your exit strategy then there's something seriously wrong with you and you should not have that role.
On prem bare metal Kubernetes is the way to go
In the enterprise, what percentage of apps do you think is "cloud native"?
@@darylallen2485 Cloud native not a well defined term. Almost all apps can be containerized and used in Kubernetes. You can implement certain things better to make it more Kubernetes friendly - example: Graceful termination, health check probes but even without that the application can run as is on Kubernetes. Interested in knowing what challenges you faced or anticipate facing while moving to Kubernetes?
I❤vmware. 5.5
Broadcom has always been shit.
Well time for a change... *nutanix enters the chat*
So price is a rec fest .. wel it was not thet good any hoho ..
I just love Nutanix.
Docker?!
I think docker containers/micro services are the future. One could maintain their own private cloud doing this. And, it might be an opportunity for one of the smaller virtual platforms to step up and take over. I personally feel this is bad news about VMware and a way to force everyone to AWS or Azure. They went us renting and never owning.
@@JohnWalsh2019 well technically docker still runs on a VM in the cloud. You need an OS to install it on such as Linux same for Kubernetes clusters. You are pretty much using both.
@@eman0828 correct I would use Linux.
So vmware just got worse!
Sorry but VMware was always terrible.. Now I just hope they are disappear.
vmware isn't bad for what they are. I wouldn't trust their vSAN product even if it's free. It was a fiasco for us. Glad we're on ProxMox now.
LOL uh okay. So what's better?
The guy says software develop is easy and you just sell air , he is joking but also that’s about how much he gives a s about VMware