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Yeah, I usually bail on these types of videos with an eye roll, but I really got sucked in. This "try to spin the car under braking" exercise is really brilliant. I really love this more abstract approach to understanding your car and all the nuances that aren't necessarily intuitive at all.
@@dcode1000 Basically, you first brake straight to slow down the car. Then you put a little bit of steering input, and release the brakes just enough to not get into ABS (or lock the fronts if you don't have ABS on the car) Then, this will make the car rotate, so you are in the trail braking phase, that was explained towards the end, you progressively release the brakes and add a bit of steering as the car rotates into the corner At the apex, you should be reaching 0% brakes, max steering, and then you progressively open the steering and get on the power TLDR : braking straight = slowing; braking with a bit of steering = turning
I think that practicing driving fast in a very understeery FWD is an underrated experience, because it teaches exactly this kind of lesson. The car doesn't want to turn and you can't use the throttle to gain rotation, so you have to learn how to get the car turning using brakes and weight transfer alone.
@@jaymxuI dial in a lot of oversteer in 4wd and use my right foot and my steering to modulate it. Especially something like an R32 Skyline which tends to understeer, I dial in oversteer thru the setup and bam it becomes a lot more easier and faster to drive.
The feel you get at 17:13 irl on track is something amazing. First time the car dived like this I was is in shock, not believe that cars can do that. Great session!
@@aniketmeshram6598 in general yes it will but it depends on how much u were overdriving the (probably front) tires beforehand because that also causes a lot of wear and track use in general will eat through tires either way
I've been applying this technique to get more rotation out of the GR86 around Laguna Seca this week to great effect. I started at around 1350ish Irating running very average lap times for my splits (1:38s-1:39s). As of tonight however, I'm a little under 2.4k and faster than or equal with 85% of the drivers in my split (Mostly 1st but sometimes 2nd split). For times, I'm running consistent low to mid 1:37s and even dipping into the 1:36s (PB =1:36.660). I went through a few frustrating practice sessions where I felt like I was getting slower but once the lightbulb went on it was 2 tenths here, 2 tenths there. You have a gift for teaching. I'm likely going to be springing for your online course and maybe even some coaching down the road, this video was pretty good advertising for me haha.
I've heard people talk about "short corner drivers" (especially Peter Windsor) but ive never seen a comprehensive explaination and a method I could use to practice shortening my corners (on corners where this is actually possible/worth it. You've been by far one of the best imo at communicating car handling concepts and driving skills, so I would love to see you do a video on this topic! Keep up the great work!
I also watch Peter Windsor. Then there is Driver61, who is regurarly saying the opposite things. So I went to the source of "short corner driving" style, Rob Wilson, who coached (and is still coaching) many F1 drivers. I don't know what Scott (Driver61) is smoking or is if he is doing these kinds of videos just for youtube clicks. Which is strange for me, because he is also a racing driver and a coach. Peter Windsor tried explaining "short corner-ing" in one of his videos, but I think he failed to properly communicate what it means. IMO, What Suellio described, is what they (Peter Windsor and Rob Wilson) mean by "shortening the corner". You don't brake in a straight line, but you rotate the car by trailbraking (pedal work) to the apex.
I think laguna seca is the perfect track to train on that rotation... high inner curve bumbs, sandbox close on exit, a lot of 70-100° corners so you do it at 3rd or second gear.
Suélio, this is one of the absolute most important videos. I have never heard about this before. You need to emphasize this a lot! I have tried this exercise myself after watching and it's truly hard to make it! Please, emphasize this message mate, you are going to change the world, I have around 10 years of sim and this is my sinn, please push this and I'm sure you are the one who will make the difference! Thanks a lot for this tutorial, still working on it but this is the racing secret!!!!!!
I've been using this technique in the F4 lately. It's helped me find time and also to feel more confident to push during a race. I often have the problem where I'm fairly quick in practice, but then I lose like a second or more off my pace in the race. Part of it is just getting tense, but I'm also trying to ensure I don't lose control, especially in a pack, so I'm holding back. Now that I'm actually trying for a little bit of oversteer, I find I'm much more comfortable with it. I know to expect it and I can easily correct as needed. Now my race pace is much closer to my fastest laps in practice.
Your video (randomly poped in my feed today) just changed my way of driving in sim forever... I was always slow, not knowing what I could do to gain more and today, after training induce oversteer, I litteraly beat my PB in ACC by 2,5s (and I know there is a lot more on the table...) Thank you sir ! I was losing hope and slowly getting bored of simracing but now ... I'm driving with a smile on my face !
Subscribed, very well done man. I can’t say anything else, everyone has already let it be known this is an informative piece of work, I appreciate you taking your time and valuable knowledge and giving it away free of charge, most people won’t even delve into their skillsets without a return prize
Amazing video Suellio!!! I have been driving the same way as the guy on the video. Steering mostly with wheel and not making the car rotate with brakes enough. After watching, i had to go to drive some laps in acc. It was hard to make the car spin with brakes🤯 After 20+ laps an my Nürburgring lap record 1:58.176 is now 1:56.787 You are the best!❤ Keep posting videos like this!
I think i am getting on another level of sim racing after finding this channel. this guy knows even some things that i know already, he says it here. Great Channel
Amazing video Suelio! You did an amazing job breaking down the telemetry and highlight phases of turn-in. Very good point that changing one part of a driving style means other things will need to accommodate, like the turning point.
Excited to apply these techniques when I start racing with a wheel setup, for now I guess the jagged braking and throttle lines are staying, unfortunately 😂
I just saw this video and wanted to try it out. I just used my controller. Just after one and a half lap on Circuit de La Sarthe i can see and feel a major difference. So just try even if you're using a controller 😅
@@mikkelnielsen331do you have to brake later using this technique? Like are all your braking points closer to the apex since you're riding them longer?
Fascinating. As someone who's always a couple of seconds off race pace, I feel this is an exercise I can try to replicate. Great stuff. I'll keep watching.
talk about "ah-ha" moments in my sim racing career. I thought I understood trail braking until I saw this video. When you said "make the car rotate more with weight transfer" and the following drill of trying to get the car to spin .... bro, seriously. I just dropped an easy second off my race pace and I wasn't even trying. The car rotated so much on entry I was just amazed. I now understand why the best drivers have better feel / timing of the relase of the brakes. Thanks so much for sharing this video!
This is interesting to see a driver from the opposite end of the spectrum. I've got a fair few world record times in sim rallying, but with circuit stuff, I'm often losing time with spending too much time in opposite lock. I'm very comfortable with having heaos of oversteer, so I'm able to drive always at the limit, but it costs time from being sideways everywhere, it's useful on gravel, but useless on tarmac.
Omg, just after watching this video and thinking about braking and rotation I found almost 1s in my first race, not even practicing it. You are amazing! Thank you!
Amazing content, as always. Suellio is the best coach you can find, don’t hesitate to go for the Motor Racing Checklist, it will change your mentality and make you not just faster, but more consistent.
im not even close to being a top 5% driver but this watching this felt like a lightbulb turning on in my head. gunna practice this tonight and see how much i gain since im still around 2 seconds off the pace of the speedy peeps in my split.
I have your course, I have booked a 1 on 1 (which i still need to plan) but this video made me practice and already made me win an enitre second in Spa!! Just modulating the brake (let say between 1 to 10%) mid corner depending on howmuch rotation I need. Before it was just; sticking the brake just for the initial turn in, but not throughout the corner. Now I am sending it so much faster and am not even understeering. Thanks so much!
I was doing TT laps around the red bull ring in GT7, only focused on trying to induce oversteer on corner entry. I'm not getting enough rotation to break the rear, but I still managed to improve my PB by one tenth without even trying. Thanks Suellio!
Okay so you basically explained a thing i noticed but i couldnt find how to rewire my brain into doing this stuff more often, im already doing it but not as much as i'd like. Well, at least i know that i have some intuition in racing, so thats good >.>
Okay… watching him induce oversteer… I think I just saw what I was doing wrong and why I felt it was difficult to keep a pace that was a bit slower. I’ve only been 800 laps in, but holy cow did this guy learn a lot and man does he know how to explain it! There is no doubt the class would speed things up for me!
Suellio, you are a legend! I’ve been practicing this technique for a week and already improved my lap time by 2 seconds. That was in a GT4 car at Cataluña in Assetto Corsa. Very eye opening to use weight transfer for rotation! I’ve been doing this in rally for years without realizing you can turn using the brakes on road cars as well.
Definitely something I've noticed top drivers doing! I constantly wonder how they can be a second faster per lap when my braking points and apex speeds are identical. The difference is they are a tad faster into the corners due to having the extra rotation
Suellio, I've been trying to bridge the gat to the top 1% but as a 43 year old Father with a full time job and lot's of extra hours activities, I found it hard to reduce the gap of 2000hrs of practice against the people I race with. Last week I did my last race in Spa for a championship where my best time was 2:17.100 (in ACC with a McLaren 720s EVO) and the polesitter did a 16 flat. I did ONLY SIX Laps thinking about this technique and reducing my ABS (to be conscious of my braking) and with the same setups/conditions I already did half a second faster. I reckon that with 30-40 laps of practicing this technique to extract more rotation of the car I could do a few tenths more. I will SERIOUSLY consider 1:1 coaching online with you, bud. Your words just perfectly resonated in my head and I was immediately able to start seeing different results (I'm still far from a perfect technique of course!) This is amazing!
Dude this is the first video i see from you.. I've been a taxi driver and now im a semi truck driver so im basically living on the road and cars are my life.. But I have to say, You are better than me. I don't say this to a lot of people but you my guy with that "in that corner theres 150kg more on those wheels" you bought me :D you see the system globally with every aspect in it and i can't say else than RESPECT AND KEEP IT GOING! I don't know who tought you this or where did you learn it but it is a big oppurtunity for your whole life. Good Luck buddy!!
Something that helps alot to learn this technique is using very rear heavy cars like old porsche 911, or toyota mr2. They reward you like crazy if you do it using them.
this video is awesome! been recently getting into sim racing and this is the exact video I’ve been looking for. I had troubles translating this technique to the sim, coming from karting but this video clarified a lot. huge props!
Man, i was expecting this to be another “just use slip” video but you actually articulated what makes someones driving faster or slower and gave insightful knowledge into the technique and not just “how to do it” Props! This is something you have to master for touge and its so satisfying, but also boring when no one can keep up 🥲
Writing this comment to show you what I learned: BEFORE 1. Brake less, carry more speed through the middle of the corner 2. Use ALL of the track on entry and exit 3. Downshift Earlier AFTER 1. Use the brakes to modulate the weight transfer and spin the car into the corner (induced oversteer, pitched the nose down the rear becomes light) 2. Less steering on entry, More engine braking on entry 3. Don't drop the brakes before the acceleration point, rotation will disappear 4. Turn in earlier than regular turn in point 5. Rotate the braking, but don't let the trail braking last too long after the rotation. Fade out the tail end quicker Thanks for making this!
I stumbled on the extreme of it on my own after being thrown into an LMP race on project cars coming from road c2. But after seeing this I actually see how I can weaponize that .... Thank you sir
Was at Homestead Motorspeedway this weekend and it was amazing to see and hear the Formula Inter cars. It was my first time ever going to the track and being there for media purposes I was by the fence on the start/finish straight a little after the flag post. Seeing the grip on those was mind blowing. Greatest weekend ive had thus far!
This explained so much for me. I couldnt identify why I wasnt able to consistently drive the same corner. I was always 0.1 to 0.3 seconds slower than my best at the end of the next straight, I had probably applied this technique by accident. With knowledge from this video I was able to consistently drive the corner with the same speed over and over. Thank you!
I just wanted to see the first minute of this as it seems too long for my morning...fuck, i watched it all, i was hooked to the screen like i was watching a film! You are great in so many levels (motivation, simplicity, explaining to different style of learners, video editor etc) Keep it up!
This is the exact opposite to my problem when i was younger , I always ended up spinning on corner entry, heavy trail braking and being greedy on corners. I watched a few videos to prevent it. Now I just learned that there was a positive to my old greedy driving. Now to find the middle ground of my younger self and current self to have the perfect rotation.
Exactly! Learnt this in iracing with the Mazda. You have to get the car into oversteer and balance it there into the apex. You can practice this using lift-off oversteer technique on any straight piece of road, induce it left followed by right etc. Really learn the limit of the car within a lap or two.
This was great. I'm at about 3600ir, and have often found I can capture a lot of this pace through rote copying, trying to parrot the brake traces of VRS laps, and finding that they're generally faster than what I might do naturally. But this video clarifies exactly *why* braking in that way works the way it does, and why when you get it just right it almost feels like the car is being sucked into the apex.
I just realize that I'm using this technique while driving a Porsche 992 GT3R in ACC. And I did experience understeers (sometimes oversteers) when I released the brake a little too quick. Thanks for making this video.
Like he said, and I feel the same, I do similar technique in karting, and try to turn in with the brakes, but getting that feel in the game and knowing if you are overdoing it is a whole art in itself.
Nice, I already do that.... just not riding that often. Getting rotation with the brakes, using weight shift feels awesome, already did that 20 years ago with my BMW M3.
This is such a cool breakdown of one very specific thing, I find when I gave got the car rotating like this it’s like a different level of control and speed - but it’s so easy to lose again. It’s full seconds of pace at something as turny as Sukuka.
I do this naturally in GoKarting all the time, but in sim racing the feedback makes me more instinctively use the steering. But, will practice this on the sim, because it does make sense!
New sim sim racing here! I actually discovered this by accident. I would always watch videos and hear people explain it but the feeling of your car being in an uncontrolled but controlled spin did not click until I started running laps on Misano. And I think it mostly has to do with the cambered corners! Misano makes it really easy to throw your cars weight into the corners and really feel that weight transfer!! All you have to to is ever so slightly turn your wheel hit your brakes and the car almost feels like it gets eaten up by the corner like it turns but from the cockpit view it also looks like your sliding but I’ve noticed it rotates your car faster than if I were to slow down and turn in. After driving Misano for hours I think I finally understood what using my cars weight transfer to break actually meant. That and it’s a little bit easier to throw the 992 in an uncontrolled spin 😂😂
The very first moment i saw his driving i threw me back to my PC2 days when i was doing the same thing based on wrong suggestions - separate braking and steering. Brake in a straight line, drop the brakes, then steer. Took me awhile the understand that this is wrong. While hard braking is always done in straight line, trail braking is a must if you wanna be really fast. It's the key to carry speed through the corners.
quality content. Regular on SRO APAC here, i've been constantly watching your video about this, and now I'm trying to fix this bad habit hoping that I can progress through the rank. Hopefully this will solve my problem
Gonna do the comment challenge, here we go. So, as someone who has come from oval racing but loves all other forms and wants to do more road racing (not even out of rookie yet, I never do road but I’m A license oval), I feel he’s using his steering too much and not leading the corner with his brakes for turn in, just looking at his traces. It’s a very common thing with ovals especially to rotate your car into corners with the brakes to create your car rotation. Thus, having less load on your front tires to extend your tire life and have a longer, more gradual tire degradation stint. Just finished the video and I was pretty dang close lol. Ovals have taught me a lot on how to rotate a corner efficiently because our runs are so long. A short track like Martinsville can have a run length of over 80 laps if it’s ran green the whole time. Front tire conservation is paramount. My main problem with road racing is remembering a track, braking points, etc. My ADHD brain just forgets it all way too quick and I usually have to spend like 2 hours to practice a track to be even remotely comfortable to get in the first lobby.
Hah.. I never played competitively the autosimsport and never tryed to learn how but i noticed this effect during my casual gameplay, like i have to transform my rear wheel sliding turn in to the front wheel grip turn by playing with brake pedal. But i never succeeded to make the car turns properly after the releasing brake pedal at all... Every time i had understeer, whatever angle i have to turn the wheel it always was not enough or the wheels was turned to deep angle to have an optimal grip, or semi drifting style needs to be compensated with countersteering .. ))) This video was really good...
Damn, actually an intelligent “transfer” of knowledge in real time, he is coaching him through the helmet, this requires a certain patience level, intellectual skill and ability to teach, it is not simple to teach people, I know people have iq in excess of 140 and simply cannot explain a single thing to another person , u can be a half wit and know something and have that special energy, “I would be your passenger “ is how he started off the dialogue . Respect, compliment, and a passive approach but still has authority and ability to keep you listening . I watched this entire video and I rarely do that on any topic
This is tremendously helpful! I’ve been trying to learn this on my own and have improved a bit, but I have the exact same problems this guy experienced. Thanks for the tips!!
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At 16:40 the best way to explain how he has to release is to play with the brakes, hit and release same with throttle many times.
You have the feeling and know how to explain that. I think you're a great teacher
with the new electric cars this technique would be not so good.
as the electric cars are way heavier.
I often roll my eyes at Sim coaching videos, but this dude legit knows what he's talking about and explains things so clearly. Subscribed!
Top tier content here mate. This dude is as real as they come. Welcome to the channel.
Yeah, I usually bail on these types of videos with an eye roll, but I really got sucked in. This "try to spin the car under braking" exercise is really brilliant. I really love this more abstract approach to understanding your car and all the nuances that aren't necessarily intuitive at all.
@@opmike343it’s like teaching someone to drive stick shift and using a hill to learn the clutch first
All of these techniques can be applied to real life racing also. Like he guy was saying, he used that turn the car with the brakes while karting.
Exactly my thoughts as well! This is the kind of information that is really helpful, especially in the overbraking after turn in.
This technique made me at least 2 seconds faster if not faster in Gran Turismo today, thank you Suellio.
im still a little confused with the technique, so are you pretty much supposed to break and turn at the same time?? pls help
@@dcode1000 yeah? its called trail braking
@@snail3 no I’m confused if I should switch from braking in a straight line to braking while turning at the end of a straight
@@dcode1000 yeah thats called trail braking. You start braking in a straight line and bleed off the brake while turning
@@dcode1000 Basically, you first brake straight to slow down the car. Then you put a little bit of steering input, and release the brakes just enough to not get into ABS (or lock the fronts if you don't have ABS on the car)
Then, this will make the car rotate, so you are in the trail braking phase, that was explained towards the end, you progressively release the brakes and add a bit of steering as the car rotates into the corner
At the apex, you should be reaching 0% brakes, max steering, and then you progressively open the steering and get on the power
TLDR : braking straight = slowing; braking with a bit of steering = turning
I think that practicing driving fast in a very understeery FWD is an underrated experience, because it teaches exactly this kind of lesson. The car doesn't want to turn and you can't use the throttle to gain rotation, so you have to learn how to get the car turning using brakes and weight transfer alone.
Agreed, great point.
That's why i drive 4WD and use all techniques at once, makes me a monster on the track.
@@jaymxuI dial in a lot of oversteer in 4wd and use my right foot and my steering to modulate it. Especially something like an R32 Skyline which tends to understeer, I dial in oversteer thru the setup and bam it becomes a lot more easier and faster to drive.
@@alreadywalkingdead same, thats normal
@@jaymxu depends on car. on some i don't need to do that.
I needed this video like 15 years ago lol
The feel you get at 17:13 irl on track is something amazing. First time the car dived like this I was is in shock, not believe that cars can do that. Great session!
Yeah!! It's scary though. hahahaha
I feel the same thing. He really does it.
one question,
Weather using this specific style to rotate a car may lead to more tire wear?
@@aniketmeshram6598 in general yes it will but it depends on how much u were overdriving the (probably front) tires beforehand because that also causes a lot of wear
and track use in general will eat through tires either way
does it feel like you're on the edge of sliding out of control?
I've been applying this technique to get more rotation out of the GR86 around Laguna Seca this week to great effect. I started at around 1350ish Irating running very average lap times for my splits (1:38s-1:39s). As of tonight however, I'm a little under 2.4k and faster than or equal with 85% of the drivers in my split (Mostly 1st but sometimes 2nd split). For times, I'm running consistent low to mid 1:37s and even dipping into the 1:36s (PB =1:36.660). I went through a few frustrating practice sessions where I felt like I was getting slower but once the lightbulb went on it was 2 tenths here, 2 tenths there. You have a gift for teaching. I'm likely going to be springing for your online course and maybe even some coaching down the road, this video was pretty good advertising for me haha.
This is amazing man. This is so much more beneficial than some generic how to trail brake video. Hope to see you in a class soon.
I've heard people talk about "short corner drivers" (especially Peter Windsor) but ive never seen a comprehensive explaination and a method I could use to practice shortening my corners (on corners where this is actually possible/worth it.
You've been by far one of the best imo at communicating car handling concepts and driving skills, so I would love to see you do a video on this topic! Keep up the great work!
I'm pretty sure this is what he is essentially describing at 12:06 in this video? 🤔
I also watch Peter Windsor. Then there is Driver61, who is regurarly saying the opposite things. So I went to the source of "short corner driving" style, Rob Wilson, who coached (and is still coaching) many F1 drivers. I don't know what Scott (Driver61) is smoking or is if he is doing these kinds of videos just for youtube clicks. Which is strange for me, because he is also a racing driver and a coach. Peter Windsor tried explaining "short corner-ing" in one of his videos, but I think he failed to properly communicate what it means.
IMO, What Suellio described, is what they (Peter Windsor and Rob Wilson) mean by "shortening the corner". You don't brake in a straight line, but you rotate the car by trailbraking (pedal work) to the apex.
this is really eye opening even though i've been trail braking and using all the obvious techniques for so long but this brings it to another level
Even as someone who started racing a few months ago, I can understand all of this clearly. Your explaining is very helpful and straight to the point
I think laguna seca is the perfect track to train on that rotation... high inner curve bumbs, sandbox close on exit, a lot of 70-100° corners so you do it at 3rd or second gear.
Suzuka too.
Yep man.. on gt7 and gr4 it's perfect to learn weigth transfers and brake under turn to gain rotation
Suélio, this is one of the absolute most important videos. I have never heard about this before. You need to emphasize this a lot! I have tried this exercise myself after watching and it's truly hard to make it! Please, emphasize this message mate, you are going to change the world, I have around 10 years of sim and this is my sinn, please push this and I'm sure you are the one who will make the difference!
Thanks a lot for this tutorial, still working on it but this is the racing secret!!!!!!
I've been using this technique in the F4 lately. It's helped me find time and also to feel more confident to push during a race. I often have the problem where I'm fairly quick in practice, but then I lose like a second or more off my pace in the race. Part of it is just getting tense, but I'm also trying to ensure I don't lose control, especially in a pack, so I'm holding back. Now that I'm actually trying for a little bit of oversteer, I find I'm much more comfortable with it. I know to expect it and I can easily correct as needed. Now my race pace is much closer to my fastest laps in practice.
Your video (randomly poped in my feed today) just changed my way of driving in sim forever...
I was always slow, not knowing what I could do to gain more and today, after training induce oversteer, I litteraly beat my PB in ACC by 2,5s (and I know there is a lot more on the table...)
Thank you sir ! I was losing hope and slowly getting bored of simracing but now ... I'm driving with a smile on my face !
Subscribed, very well done man. I can’t say anything else, everyone has already let it be known this is an informative piece of work, I appreciate you taking your time and valuable knowledge and giving it away free of charge, most people won’t even delve into their skillsets without a return prize
Amazing video Suellio!!!
I have been driving the same way as the guy on the video.
Steering mostly with wheel and not making the car rotate with brakes enough.
After watching, i had to go to drive some laps in acc.
It was hard to make the car spin with brakes🤯
After 20+ laps an my Nürburgring lap record 1:58.176 is now 1:56.787
You are the best!❤
Keep posting videos like this!
Nice work dude!!
I think i am getting on another level of sim racing after finding this channel. this guy knows even some things that i know already, he says it here. Great Channel
Amazing video Suelio! You did an amazing job breaking down the telemetry and highlight phases of turn-in. Very good point that changing one part of a driving style means other things will need to accommodate, like the turning point.
So much wisdom and observance and the ability to put it into words and tutoring in such a young man, respect. 👍
Excited to apply these techniques when I start racing with a wheel setup, for now I guess the jagged braking and throttle lines are staying, unfortunately 😂
I feel its way harder to do in sim racing than with a real car. You dont feel the rotation of the car as much in sim even with a wheel.
I just saw this video and wanted to try it out. I just used my controller. Just after one and a half lap on Circuit de La Sarthe i can see and feel a major difference. So just try even if you're using a controller 😅
@@mikkelnielsen331do you have to brake later using this technique? Like are all your braking points closer to the apex since you're riding them longer?
@@yenice3652Yes, since the car is rotating as you brake and release brake pressure.
Fascinating. As someone who's always a couple of seconds off race pace, I feel this is an exercise I can try to replicate. Great stuff. I'll keep watching.
talk about "ah-ha" moments in my sim racing career. I thought I understood trail braking until I saw this video. When you said "make the car rotate more with weight transfer" and the following drill of trying to get the car to spin .... bro, seriously. I just dropped an easy second off my race pace and I wasn't even trying. The car rotated so much on entry I was just amazed. I now understand why the best drivers have better feel / timing of the relase of the brakes. Thanks so much for sharing this video!
Congrats man!
This is interesting to see a driver from the opposite end of the spectrum. I've got a fair few world record times in sim rallying, but with circuit stuff, I'm often losing time with spending too much time in opposite lock. I'm very comfortable with having heaos of oversteer, so I'm able to drive always at the limit, but it costs time from being sideways everywhere, it's useful on gravel, but useless on tarmac.
Omg, just after watching this video and thinking about braking and rotation I found almost 1s in my first race, not even practicing it. You are amazing! Thank you!
This is the best video I have ever seen about sim racing. This is why I am missing those 1-2 seconds!!!
glad the algorithm put you on recommended you are very fun to learn from.
This is one of the best sim racing coaching videos i've ever seen.
That was very impressive. The way you can articulated and empahised key points was top level
Literally tried this in a caterham. Absolutely brilliant
Amazing content, as always. Suellio is the best coach you can find, don’t hesitate to go for the Motor Racing Checklist, it will change your mentality and make you not just faster, but more consistent.
the using brakes to turn your car is easier learned in a old car I find. I love your lessons, I learn something every time.
This has definitely helped me a lot. I can use my brakes to spin the car easily, but never gave it much thought. Eye opening, for sure 😁
im not even close to being a top 5% driver but this watching this felt like a lightbulb turning on in my head. gunna practice this tonight and see how much i gain since im still around 2 seconds off the pace of the speedy peeps in my split.
Send it man!
I have your course, I have booked a 1 on 1 (which i still need to plan) but this video made me practice and already made me win an enitre second in Spa!! Just modulating the brake (let say between 1 to 10%) mid corner depending on howmuch rotation I need. Before it was just; sticking the brake just for the initial turn in, but not throughout the corner. Now I am sending it so much faster and am not even understeering. Thanks so much!
I was doing TT laps around the red bull ring in GT7, only focused on trying to induce oversteer on corner entry. I'm not getting enough rotation to break the rear, but I still managed to improve my PB by one tenth without even trying. Thanks Suellio!
I was super skeptical until I saw that exercise and honestly this is the most brilliant way I've seen anyone try and teach proper trailbraking.
One of the best youtubers you are. Not just racing. In general. A million soon God willing my friend
Okay so you basically explained a thing i noticed but i couldnt find how to rewire my brain into doing this stuff more often, im already doing it but not as much as i'd like. Well, at least i know that i have some intuition in racing, so thats good >.>
Okay… watching him induce oversteer… I think I just saw what I was doing wrong and why I felt it was difficult to keep a pace that was a bit slower. I’ve only been 800 laps in, but holy cow did this guy learn a lot and man does he know how to explain it! There is no doubt the class would speed things up for me!
I checked the time after what i thought was like 6mins into the vid. I was at minute 17
Great great video. For me an eye openner.
Suellio, you are a legend! I’ve been practicing this technique for a week and already improved my lap time by 2 seconds. That was in a GT4 car at Cataluña in Assetto Corsa. Very eye opening to use weight transfer for rotation! I’ve been doing this in rally for years without realizing you can turn using the brakes on road cars as well.
Definitely something I've noticed top drivers doing!
I constantly wonder how they can be a second faster per lap when my braking points and apex speeds are identical. The difference is they are a tad faster into the corners due to having the extra rotation
its interesting to watch this since we do this all the time in rally. great teaching done by you!
Suellio, I've been trying to bridge the gat to the top 1% but as a 43 year old Father with a full time job and lot's of extra hours activities, I found it hard to reduce the gap of 2000hrs of practice against the people I race with.
Last week I did my last race in Spa for a championship where my best time was 2:17.100 (in ACC with a McLaren 720s EVO) and the polesitter did a 16 flat. I did ONLY SIX Laps thinking about this technique and reducing my ABS (to be conscious of my braking) and with the same setups/conditions I already did half a second faster. I reckon that with 30-40 laps of practicing this technique to extract more rotation of the car I could do a few tenths more.
I will SERIOUSLY consider 1:1 coaching online with you, bud. Your words just perfectly resonated in my head and I was immediately able to start seeing different results (I'm still far from a perfect technique of course!) This is amazing!
Dude this is the first video i see from you.. I've been a taxi driver and now im a semi truck driver so im basically living on the road and cars are my life.. But I have to say, You are better than me. I don't say this to a lot of people but you my guy with that "in that corner theres 150kg more on those wheels" you bought me :D you see the system globally with every aspect in it and i can't say else than RESPECT AND KEEP IT GOING! I don't know who tought you this or where did you learn it but it is a big oppurtunity for your whole life. Good Luck buddy!!
Something that helps alot to learn this technique is using very rear heavy cars like old porsche 911, or toyota mr2.
They reward you like crazy if you do it using them.
You’re helping all of us man! This was huge 💯
this video is awesome! been recently getting into sim racing and this is the exact video I’ve been looking for. I had troubles translating this technique to the sim, coming from karting but this video clarified a lot. huge props!
Man, i was expecting this to be another “just use slip” video but you actually articulated what makes someones driving faster or slower and gave insightful knowledge into the technique and not just “how to do it”
Props!
This is something you have to master for touge and its so satisfying, but also boring when no one can keep up 🥲
at 14:28 i swear I could hear his smile when it clicked. Suellio you are a gift from the heavens.
Writing this comment to show you what I learned:
BEFORE
1. Brake less, carry more speed through the middle of the corner
2. Use ALL of the track on entry and exit
3. Downshift Earlier
AFTER
1. Use the brakes to modulate the weight transfer and spin the car into the corner (induced oversteer, pitched the nose down the rear becomes light)
2. Less steering on entry, More engine braking on entry
3. Don't drop the brakes before the acceleration point, rotation will disappear
4. Turn in earlier than regular turn in point
5. Rotate the braking, but don't let the trail braking last too long after the rotation. Fade out the tail end quicker
Thanks for making this!
This Video is so Informative! it deserves way more views!
I don't know how I ended up at this channel but I like it. Subscribed!
that coaching session is gold, thanks for sharing
I stumbled on the extreme of it on my own after being thrown into an LMP race on project cars coming from road c2. But after seeing this I actually see how I can weaponize that .... Thank you sir
Was at Homestead Motorspeedway this weekend and it was amazing to see and hear the Formula Inter cars. It was my first time ever going to the track and being there for media purposes I was by the fence on the start/finish straight a little after the flag post. Seeing the grip on those was mind blowing. Greatest weekend ive had thus far!
this video changed my driving technique overnight, thx dude!!
U have a similar coaching style to many boxing coaches I've had. Using key words to simplify what you want the student to improve then adding layers
This explained so much for me. I couldnt identify why I wasnt able to consistently drive the same corner.
I was always 0.1 to 0.3 seconds slower than my best at the end of the next straight, I had probably applied this technique by accident.
With knowledge from this video I was able to consistently drive the corner with the same speed over and over.
Thank you!
congrats man!!
using the video i already found 1 second on my second lap. thank you suellio
that is so cool, this is one of my favorite videos from you ever
I love your way you explain this with the grafs. Subscribed!
I just wanted to see the first minute of this as it seems too long for my morning...fuck, i watched it all, i was hooked to the screen like i was watching a film! You are great in so many levels (motivation, simplicity, explaining to different style of learners, video editor etc) Keep it up!
This is the exact opposite to my problem when i was younger , I always ended up spinning on corner entry, heavy trail braking and being greedy on corners. I watched a few videos to prevent it. Now I just learned that there was a positive to my old greedy driving. Now to find the middle ground of my younger self and current self to have the perfect rotation.
I think this is the most important video. you shouldnt give it away for free ;-)
Will be prakticing and looking forward to do a 1:1 session with you
Exactly! Learnt this in iracing with the Mazda. You have to get the car into oversteer and balance it there into the apex.
You can practice this using lift-off oversteer technique on any straight piece of road, induce it left followed by right etc. Really learn the limit of the car within a lap or two.
This was great. I'm at about 3600ir, and have often found I can capture a lot of this pace through rote copying, trying to parrot the brake traces of VRS laps, and finding that they're generally faster than what I might do naturally. But this video clarifies exactly *why* braking in that way works the way it does, and why when you get it just right it almost feels like the car is being sucked into the apex.
I just realize that I'm using this technique while driving a Porsche 992 GT3R in ACC. And I did experience understeers (sometimes oversteers) when I released the brake a little too quick. Thanks for making this video.
Great video, and great racing technique and training technique. You are dialed in my friend.
Like he said, and I feel the same, I do similar technique in karting, and try to turn in with the brakes, but getting that feel in the game and knowing if you are overdoing it is a whole art in itself.
impressive how good the driver adapts to his suggestions!
Loved this video! You're not just a great driver. You're an excellent coach.
hey man i dont have the money to buy your course, but you're just absolutely fantastic. and you are very charismatic as well. super great overall
I have barely begun the video but exercise 1 is so smart. Instant sub from me
Nice, I already do that.... just not riding that often. Getting rotation with the brakes, using weight shift feels awesome, already did that 20 years ago with my BMW M3.
Very concrete and informative! subscribed. I think you're worth 1M channel.
This is such a cool breakdown of one very specific thing, I find when I gave got the car rotating like this it’s like a different level of control and speed - but it’s so easy to lose again. It’s full seconds of pace at something as turny as Sukuka.
I do this naturally in GoKarting all the time, but in sim racing the feedback makes me more instinctively use the steering. But, will practice this on the sim, because it does make sense!
I was expecting to watch this and shrug it off but it all makes sense and is something i knew if i implemented i would go faster. Thanks!
I mastered the first exercise/technique by learning the 4 wheel drift. understanding weight transfer is key to becoming faster.
Oh wow great suggestions on how to practice learning these techniques
Literally just got assetto today can’t even make it through my first race yet learning how to break better has helped
New sim sim racing here! I actually discovered this by accident. I would always watch videos and hear people explain it but the feeling of your car being in an uncontrolled but controlled spin did not click until I started running laps on Misano. And I think it mostly has to do with the cambered corners! Misano makes it really easy to throw your cars weight into the corners and really feel that weight transfer!! All you have to to is ever so slightly turn your wheel hit your brakes and the car almost feels like it gets eaten up by the corner like it turns but from the cockpit view it also looks like your sliding but I’ve noticed it rotates your car faster than if I were to slow down and turn in. After driving Misano for hours I think I finally understood what using my cars weight transfer to break actually meant. That and it’s a little bit easier to throw the 992 in an uncontrolled spin 😂😂
Wow now what i felt when driving is make sense now. Great explanation and coaching. 👍👍
You have great teaching ability!
This is very natural to me as I tend to stick to touge, I have been enjoying v8 supercars too. I’ve even developed an Aussie accent.
Yesssss, is the best drive like a little back movement always to me🥰
Lmaoo ❤
Nice video! I'm going to practice this next year on track!
hard to not like this guy. good job!!
The very first moment i saw his driving i threw me back to my PC2 days when i was doing the same thing based on wrong suggestions - separate braking and steering. Brake in a straight line, drop the brakes, then steer. Took me awhile the understand that this is wrong. While hard braking is always done in straight line, trail braking is a must if you wanna be really fast. It's the key to carry speed through the corners.
Separate braking and steering is necessary at the beginner levels, though. After you get used to it we start transitioning towards trail braking
quality content. Regular on SRO APAC here, i've been constantly watching your video about this, and now I'm trying to fix this bad habit hoping that I can progress through the rank. Hopefully this will solve my problem
never seen braking dissected like this before, phenomenal
Suellio is actually the technique GOAT
Gonna do the comment challenge, here we go.
So, as someone who has come from oval racing but loves all other forms and wants to do more road racing (not even out of rookie yet, I never do road but I’m A license oval), I feel he’s using his steering too much and not leading the corner with his brakes for turn in, just looking at his traces. It’s a very common thing with ovals especially to rotate your car into corners with the brakes to create your car rotation. Thus, having less load on your front tires to extend your tire life and have a longer, more gradual tire degradation stint.
Just finished the video and I was pretty dang close lol. Ovals have taught me a lot on how to rotate a corner efficiently because our runs are so long. A short track like Martinsville can have a run length of over 80 laps if it’s ran green the whole time. Front tire conservation is paramount. My main problem with road racing is remembering a track, braking points, etc. My ADHD brain just forgets it all way too quick and I usually have to spend like 2 hours to practice a track to be even remotely comfortable to get in the first lobby.
Hah.. I never played competitively the autosimsport and never tryed to learn how but i noticed this effect during my casual gameplay, like i have to transform my rear wheel sliding turn in to the front wheel grip turn by playing with brake pedal. But i never succeeded to make the car turns properly after the releasing brake pedal at all... Every time i had understeer, whatever angle i have to turn the wheel it always was not enough or the wheels was turned to deep angle to have an optimal grip, or semi drifting style needs to be compensated with countersteering .. )))
This video was really good...
Absolutely game changing, you explained it very well!
Damn, actually an intelligent “transfer” of knowledge in real time, he is coaching him through the helmet, this requires a certain patience level, intellectual skill and ability to teach, it is not simple to teach people, I know people have iq in excess of 140 and simply cannot explain a single thing to another person , u can be a half wit and know something and have that special energy, “I would be your passenger “ is how he started off the dialogue . Respect, compliment, and a passive approach but still has authority and ability to keep you listening . I watched this entire video and I rarely do that on any topic
This is tremendously helpful! I’ve been trying to learn this on my own and have improved a bit, but I have the exact same problems this guy experienced. Thanks for the tips!!
Touge racing naturally gave me this skill, and helped me get fast quick when getting into iracing later
This is the video that got me to sign up for the course. I wasn't getting this on my own, now I'm excited to do the drills!