Absolutely, any martial art that you practice with resistive sparring and pressure testing, and train it towards real life combat applications, such a self defence. With that said, from what I saw in your video, it seems like it's definitely being practiced in that way, and the whole thing about absorbing impacting and improvisation, is very useful even outside of combat.
There is no doubt that this works in real life for self-defense, I have seen much weirder martial arts working in real life against thugs. The problem is that combat sports also work in real life for self-defense, so why learn something that only works in real life situations without rules if combat sports also do that and give you a chance to compete?
Being practicing Muay Thai for decades and I am impressed. The fact that the man who invented this technique, doesn't want to make it a commercial brand, also add to his credibility and credit.
Izvor is really efficient, most fighters in Russia who had a chance to check it out feel very satisfied and impressed with its practicality and view on combat. Its a shame but most of the Systema Kadochnikova off-shots schools get bad-rap because of Systema Ryabko, which is the most globally established and has the strongest marketing behind it.
IZVOR looks amazing! I want to try it for myself soon. So far I want to experience ROSS + IZVOR in person. Hopefully I will be able to do it once the pandemic will be over.
@@mikitadou I sure hope you can me too again they had a 3day seminar ready in my country izvor volk and 1 more great teacher but because virus stuff it can't but will be sure in future for me its really my addiction this way of fighting hope to see you maby in future
Excellent efforts on your part. You are always distinguished in your choice and in the topics presented, in addition to the professional people you choose. I wish you success. You are a legend
@@mikitadou My pleasure brother! I'm looking forward to it. I am really interested to see what information you share regarding Yiquan. I have spent a few years playing with Yiquan to develope whole body power and incorporate Systema principles for detachment and whole body freedom. I think the two are rather compatible together. In fact, Michael Grudev said in a Reddit AMA that Systema Izvor is compatible with Yiquan, Taichi, Wing Chun, and several other martial arts. I cannot remember them all at the moment.
@@mikitadou compared to the vv sysyema that I do it looks a lot more practical and hands on, have you considered doing an interview with Grudev just out of curiosity?
@@mikitadou I cant wait! I've been training in his school for about 2 years now, so of course I'm a little bias towards him. But anyway it will be interesting to get your opinion considering that you've researched so many other Systema styles.
interesting concept, the maximum distance between hands. it seems pretty effective in combination with the elbows for offence and defence, sort of like the horns of a deer, or a weaponized guard, though I am curious how it works in multiple attacker scenarios where the angles might be different. the wrestling is the warmup, you said. do they teach it too or do you just sort of pick it up? I've heard good things about Ivzor, mostly about how great the sparring format is.
They do teach basic Sambo principles and some Judo throws, but from my research they don't delve on it too much. Like always, your observation regarding the technique is impressive, by keeping the both hands in close proximity he is able to flow easily between attack and defense, as well as from attacking under different angles from short distances, leaving the opponent little time to react or guess the trajectory. Regarding the multiple opponents, that's the tricky part, I don't believe that any martial art would fully prepare a fighter to face multiple opponents, IZVOR does teach good group control principles, but the plausibility of effectively using that, as well as pragmatism + common sense, purely depends on an individual practitioner.
@@mikitadou you make me blush sir. wrt surviving attack from more than one opponent, i would say it always depends on who's involved, but if you look into the disciplines which purport to focus on the problem, - ba gua, aikido, various systema schools - you see some common threads. constant movement, evasive footwork, odd angle attacks, avoiding the middle etc. how much i could use it i'd rather not have to know much like knife defence. thanks for the information!
Wow. This actually looks really good. Quite possibly the best, or at least among the best, all the Systema (A style I had pretty much given up on but now am reconsidering, albeit cautiously, due to these very videos.) based or influenced systems you've covered so far. And the leader doesn't seem to be some kind of self serving, self important, fame/ security hungry larper either. Kinda goes without saying that the latter is a good sign. Appreciate your open minded yet analytical approach. It's certainly a continual struggle between said open mindedness and accepting, and perhaps in the end, defending reality for what it is. Subbed
Yeah, Izvor is very practical and pragmatic, but at the same time it has very deep underlayers which are understood subconsciously with time. The wall training is about losing the sense of fear and shock, while at the same time gently absorbing the impact of the strike, in this case, absorbing the energy from the attackers push and the impact against the wall, and redirecting that force into the following counter attacks.
This reminds me of Bruce Lee in taking a COMPLETE approach to this style. Body, mind and spirit. Particularly impressed with the amount of fluidity when receiving a strike and allowing it to pass through. Full contact philosophy
That's right! The fluidity is the core principle of IZVOR, and not just a beautifully sounding philosophy, they actually apply it and everybody who tried it say only good things :) You should try it someday! I definitely want to after Pandemic.
From what I see Izvor uses very few kicks, using legs mostly for movement and rooting, while delivering a casdade of whip strikes, looks impressive and practical. yiliquan? Wtf is that? I never heard of this one, but after checking on the internet it looks intersting! Waiting.
Yes, Izvor prefers to use a rapid flowy heavy hand strikes to get the job done, as its one of the safest ways to go without losing balance. Yes, Yiliquan is new, and rather unknown, but its similarities to Systema caught my attention.
Yeah, its a full speed demonstration of Izvor. Unlike most other Systema Styles, they do practice with explosive movements, yet still maintain their fluidity.
Your videos are Always interestings, have you informations about martial.arts and combat sport in the warsaw pact countries diring the cold war? For example East germany, Romania etc.. i mean about special training regimes, combat schools, Styles developed for military, self defence or competion purposes?
Thank you for the encouraging words! Regarding the combat systems, you are referring to the ones used in the Armies of the countries that were a part of Warsaw Pact?
@@mikitadou Yes, but also about combat sports of the former warsaw pact countries. So, both, military sistems and combat sports. The encouragment Is well deserved, i love your video about sambo and systema!!!!
It is, Systema Kadochnikova was designed for the elite troops after all. Before the business mentality took over in the 1990s and everyone and their mother opened their own Pagan magic based "systema" school.
Thanks man! Joe Rogan, I know a lot about him, he is similar to DK Yoo for me, he knows how to fight, but has no proven record + crazy fanzone. I might consider it :)
I heard of Giuseppe, and I know that he had a vast martial arts background before discovering Systema for the first time. But I haven't had a chance to read his Book, it is quite hard to get these days, and the price is quite steep. Have you read it?
Exactly haha, but Mikhail Grudev did work hard to make IZVOR as down to business as possible.. He keeps all the principles about relaxation, softness, and gravity awareness, but combines it with pragmatic and fast flowing movements.
Well, I would disagree, there are too many schools and "masters" that claim to teach Systema, but in the end of the day they are just making easy money on naïve people. I don't like Ryabko and Starov's School of no contact touching. But you should definitely check out Izvor and ROSS, they carry the legacy of the original 1970s Systema very well.
*What do you think about Izvor? Do you think it can work for real self-defense?*
Absolutely, any martial art that you practice with resistive sparring and pressure testing, and train it towards real life combat applications, such a self defence. With that said, from what I saw in your video, it seems like it's definitely being practiced in that way, and the whole thing about absorbing impacting and improvisation, is very useful even outside of combat.
@@LifestyleEmpowerment the absorption of hits is my fav thing you said
There is no doubt that this works in real life for self-defense, I have seen much weirder martial arts working in real life against thugs. The problem is that combat sports also work in real life for self-defense, so why learn something that only works in real life situations without rules if combat sports also do that and give you a chance to compete?
Being practicing Muay Thai for decades and I am impressed. The fact that the man who invented this technique, doesn't want to make it a commercial brand, also add to his credibility and credit.
Izvor is really efficient, most fighters in Russia who had a chance to check it out feel very satisfied and impressed with its practicality and view on combat.
Its a shame but most of the Systema Kadochnikova off-shots schools get bad-rap because of Systema Ryabko, which is the most globally established and has the strongest marketing behind it.
I love izvor and that guy grudev rocks had the honor of a few classes from him and sure in future more
IZVOR looks amazing! I want to try it for myself soon. So far I want to experience ROSS + IZVOR in person. Hopefully I will be able to do it once the pandemic will be over.
@@mikitadou I sure hope you can me too again they had a 3day seminar ready in my country izvor volk and 1 more great teacher but because virus stuff it can't but will be sure in future for me its really my addiction this way of fighting hope to see you maby in future
Which systema style do you think is legit?
Hey Alex- hope you are well mate. Your English buddy from the Dutch seminar..
Grudev is legit. End of.
Excellent efforts on your part. You are always distinguished in your choice and in the topics presented, in addition to the professional people you choose. I wish you success. You are a legend
Always grateful for your nice words and support bro!
I am not a legend, but I love sharing with the people who have similar interests and passions.
Great video! always enjoying your content!
Thank you very much for your support mate! More is coming :)
@@mikitadou My pleasure brother! I'm looking forward to it. I am really interested to see what information you share regarding Yiquan. I have spent a few years playing with Yiquan to develope whole body power and incorporate Systema principles for detachment and whole body freedom. I think the two are rather compatible together. In fact, Michael Grudev said in a Reddit AMA that Systema Izvor is compatible with Yiquan, Taichi, Wing Chun, and several other martial arts. I cannot remember them all at the moment.
Interesting, very rapid style! I was impressed by his relaxed yet heavy strikes🤔 Looking forward to the training Vids! Keep it up
Yeah, relaxation is the way to go if your aim to to create quick heavy strikes.
What kind of training videos are you particularly interested in btw?
@@mikitadou I want to see body muscle relaxation and punch development training the most🤔
Very interesting, great stuff ok !
Glad that you found it interesting! what do you think about this Style compared to the previous Systema schools?
@@mikitadou compared to the vv sysyema that I do it looks a lot more practical and hands on, have you considered doing an interview with Grudev just out of curiosity?
Great video! Martin Wheeler when??
Thank you friend!
A video about Martin Wheeler will come soon, I have been planning it for a while now :)
@@mikitadou I cant wait! I've been training in his school for about 2 years now, so of course I'm a little bias towards him. But anyway it will be interesting to get your opinion considering that you've researched so many other Systema styles.
interesting concept, the maximum distance between hands. it seems pretty effective in combination with the elbows for offence and defence, sort of like the horns of a deer, or a weaponized guard, though I am curious how it works in multiple attacker scenarios where the angles might be different. the wrestling is the warmup, you said. do they teach it too or do you just sort of pick it up? I've heard good things about Ivzor, mostly about how great the sparring format is.
They do teach basic Sambo principles and some Judo throws, but from my research they don't delve on it too much. Like always, your observation regarding the technique is impressive, by keeping the both hands in close proximity he is able to flow easily between attack and defense, as well as from attacking under different angles from short distances, leaving the opponent little time to react or guess the trajectory.
Regarding the multiple opponents, that's the tricky part, I don't believe that any martial art would fully prepare a fighter to face multiple opponents, IZVOR does teach good group control principles, but the plausibility of effectively using that, as well as pragmatism + common sense, purely depends on an individual practitioner.
@@mikitadou you make me blush sir. wrt surviving attack from more than one opponent, i would say it always depends on who's involved, but if you look into the disciplines which purport to focus on the problem, - ba gua, aikido, various systema schools - you see some common threads. constant movement, evasive footwork, odd angle attacks, avoiding the middle etc. how much i could use it i'd rather not have to know much like knife defence. thanks for the information!
Good one! Enjoying your content. Keep safe.
ma main man . such an interesting video ;)
Wow, nice to see you here :D
Thanks ;)
Wow. This actually looks really good. Quite possibly the best, or at least among the best, all the Systema (A style I had pretty much given up on but now am reconsidering, albeit cautiously, due to these very videos.) based or influenced systems you've covered so far. And the leader doesn't seem to be some kind of self serving, self important, fame/ security hungry larper either. Kinda goes without saying that the latter is a good sign.
Appreciate your open minded yet analytical approach. It's certainly a continual struggle between said open mindedness and accepting, and perhaps in the end, defending reality for what it is. Subbed
Very good!
Thank you very much! Did you try Izvor before?
@@mikitadou No! First time that I have witnessed his work. He is very good. Fast, sharp and realistic.
Izvor is amazing! Can you explain that wall training? I think it's very practical to learn,just in case
Yeah, Izvor is very practical and pragmatic, but at the same time it has very deep underlayers which are understood subconsciously with time.
The wall training is about losing the sense of fear and shock, while at the same time gently absorbing the impact of the strike, in this case, absorbing the energy from the attackers push and the impact against the wall, and redirecting that force into the following counter attacks.
i could definitely use this really. you can feel the power
Great video
Thank you very much for the kind words ;)
This reminds me of Bruce Lee in taking a COMPLETE approach to this style. Body, mind and spirit. Particularly impressed with the amount of fluidity when receiving a strike and allowing it to pass through. Full contact philosophy
That's right! The fluidity is the core principle of IZVOR, and not just a beautifully sounding philosophy, they actually apply it and everybody who tried it say only good things :)
You should try it someday! I definitely want to after Pandemic.
new sub here!!! great review thank you
Thank you very much! Welcome to the team :)
From what I see Izvor uses very few kicks, using legs mostly for movement and rooting, while delivering a casdade of whip strikes, looks impressive and practical.
yiliquan? Wtf is that? I never heard of this one, but after checking on the internet it looks intersting! Waiting.
Yes, Izvor prefers to use a rapid flowy heavy hand strikes to get the job done, as its one of the safest ways to go without losing balance.
Yes, Yiliquan is new, and rather unknown, but its similarities to Systema caught my attention.
@@mikitadou I will take your word for it for now, waiting for the video to drop.
Bol´shoye spasibo
1:38 is this from izvor style?
Yeah, its a full speed demonstration of Izvor. Unlike most other Systema Styles, they do practice with explosive movements, yet still maintain their fluidity.
Your videos are Always interestings, have you informations about martial.arts and combat sport in the warsaw pact countries diring the cold war? For example East germany, Romania etc.. i mean about special training regimes, combat schools, Styles developed for military, self defence or competion purposes?
Thank you for the encouraging words!
Regarding the combat systems, you are referring to the ones used in the Armies of the countries that were a part of Warsaw Pact?
@@mikitadou Yes, but also about combat sports of the former warsaw pact countries. So, both, military sistems and combat sports. The encouragment Is well deserved, i love your video about sambo and systema!!!!
Systema is usable in street fighting, they've done seminars for that specifically
It is, Systema Kadochnikova was designed for the elite troops after all. Before the business mentality took over in the 1990s and everyone and their mother opened their own Pagan magic based "systema" school.
Good video- do one on Joe Rogan- he seems to have a cult too as a great MA yet not sure if anybody ever saw him in real fight.
Thanks man! Joe Rogan, I know a lot about him, he is similar to DK Yoo for me, he knows how to fight, but has no proven record + crazy fanzone. I might consider it :)
Any opinion on Giuseppe Filotto and "Way of Systema?"
I heard of Giuseppe, and I know that he had a vast martial arts background before discovering Systema for the first time. But I haven't had a chance to read his Book, it is quite hard to get these days, and the price is quite steep.
Have you read it?
what do you know about ROSS systema ...ratushkin???
I made a Video about Systema Ross as well.
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How do I study under him?😊
aguante Kino!!!!y systema!!
Te gusta Systema?
Systema for street fighting? You mean systema done correctly? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️
Exactly haha, but Mikhail Grudev did work hard to make IZVOR as down to business as possible.. He keeps all the principles about relaxation, softness, and gravity awareness, but combines it with pragmatic and fast flowing movements.
Izvor - is another freak system
Systema is a bullshido, prove me wrong and show me a real fight using it. LOL
Well, I would disagree, there are too many schools and "masters" that claim to teach Systema, but in the end of the day they are just making easy money on naïve people. I don't like Ryabko and Starov's School of no contact touching. But you should definitely check out Izvor and ROSS, they carry the legacy of the original 1970s Systema very well.