The Forgotten 1994 Drizzt RPG That Destroyed D&D Video Games | Menzoberranzan Review

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  • เผยแพร่เมื่อ 19 พ.ค. 2023
  • Menzoberranzan was a 1994 Dungeon and Dragon's game revolving around Drizzt and the treacherous house Do'Urden, developed by Dreamforge Entertainment under the publishing arm of SSI. It was a classic dungeon crawler built on the same engine as Strahd's Possession and Stone Prophet.
    It was so unbelievably mediocre that it forced TSR at the time to rethink how they did games licensing. Here's the story about how a bad Drizzt game saved D&D!
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  • @WilliamSRD
    @WilliamSRD  ปีที่แล้ว +82

    Oh no, I seem to have gotten myself into some sort of a 'posting this link here so that you come play Neverwinter Online with me as a community' kind of situation:
    discord.gg/UpKdTxrB6E

    • @Walican132
      @Walican132 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Nice. I’m excited I enjoyed DDO with this group a ton.

    • @messire9837
      @messire9837 ปีที่แล้ว

      WAT? Nah, Lands of Lore did that, a year earlier if my souvenirs are correct. Single and deadly at that. That's the reason why LoL is so famous. In terms of RPG genre saving, I mean to say. (so sad for those d&d lads, though, as I'm pretty sure Louis Castle's pride is stamped on that game. Months only after trying to screw westwood, D&D finally got what it asked for and deservedf. For RPG took a hit back then as a result of that, and also the Ultima Franchise murder. (from which TES got plagiarized from)
      Also, who told you Menzoberranzan's forgotten? What kind of madmelad are you, son? You must have read wrong, me thinks : it's "Forgotten Realms", not forgotten games. If you're looking for forgotten games, there's your steam list for that. Also, sorry but no, son : I'd rather eat Neverwinter OFFLINE, in a single byte, as it should be and always has been.
      Good lord those kids, sometime... Now back to me Jagged alliance 2, dammit!
      Also you game your best for that game on that video and on your time. So beyond all kinds of debate, I'll let you eat my like either way : you can obviously's pale Drizzt, and hitch owes.
      watch?v=CpAm93ZqMMM >>> 😉

    • @Taricus
      @Taricus 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Walican132 DDO is a different game than Neverwinter. DDO is 3rd ed and Neverwinter is 4th

    • @HashIshene
      @HashIshene 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Oh my..... I just developed a new fear. Becoming a TH-camr and having Randoms want to invade my games cuz they saw me in a video. Oh lord.

  • @Haruharuharuko1942
    @Haruharuharuko1942 ปีที่แล้ว +383

    Whenever drizzt isn’t on screen people should be asking where’s drizzt

    • @eclatshwartzbaumcybertune2063
      @eclatshwartzbaumcybertune2063 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      😂😂

    • @JnEricsonx
      @JnEricsonx ปีที่แล้ว +17

      Meeting RA Salvatore and having a first edition of Crystal Shard and him realizing it from like 15 feet was great.

    • @ignorethis214
      @ignorethis214 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      That's an old reference itching at the back of my brain... but I can't quite place it... was that Penny Arcade?
      Edit: Oh yeah... Simpsons. 'Where's Poochy'

    • @mymoviesbetter8466
      @mymoviesbetter8466 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

      Drizzt died on his way back to Menzoberranzan

    • @jebbush458
      @jebbush458 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      This Dark Elf gets bizzay

  • @TTRPGSarvis
    @TTRPGSarvis ปีที่แล้ว +216

    "If there's a Drizzt game, let us play as Drizzt."
    Dark Alliance 3 has entered the chat.

    • @WilliamSRD
      @WilliamSRD  ปีที่แล้ว +96

      not like that NOT LIKE THAT AAAAAAAAA

    • @Eellex501
      @Eellex501 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      @@WilliamSRD Ask and you shall receive.

    • @JnEricsonx
      @JnEricsonx ปีที่แล้ว +13

      I've heard that was so bad, and it depresses the shit out of me. Been a fan for 30+ years, Met RA a few years ago.

    • @rakshalneyrak9862
      @rakshalneyrak9862 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@JnEricsonx My friends and I bought it on day 1 and since we paid for it, we sure as hell would play through it. All the rumors are true. It´s hilariously bad, downright to the point where in some cases it´s simply unplayable.

    • @JnEricsonx
      @JnEricsonx ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@rakshalneyrak9862 Well shit. So much for that childhood hope.

  • @junibug6790
    @junibug6790 ปีที่แล้ว +111

    Even when this game was first realised, the line, "'Fire' they are shouting, and fire it must be!" struck me as INCREDIBLY silly.

    • @jonothanthrace1530
      @jonothanthrace1530 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      You'd need someone like Matt Colville to pull it off.

    • @symbiotesoda1148
      @symbiotesoda1148 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      When you’re trying to reach the word limit on your essay:

  • @yurisonovab3892
    @yurisonovab3892 ปีที่แล้ว +113

    This game is only 4 years away from Baldur's Gate. The difference in quality is astounding.

    • @soylentgreenb
      @soylentgreenb 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      Yeah, well, this is 2 years after ultima underworld and same year as system shock.

    • @headcase2636
      @headcase2636 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +20

      Game tech progress was p crazy in the 90s

    • @Luckmann
      @Luckmann 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

      Welcome to the 90's.

    • @ILoveEvadingTax
      @ILoveEvadingTax 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      DirectX really was a quantum leap for gaming, the difference is truly staggering

  • @grenadier1972
    @grenadier1972 ปีที่แล้ว +42

    Congrats on the only Menzoberranzan review on TH-cam! You didn't mention the twist with the Azarell NPC (yoch)lol.

    • @WilliamSRD
      @WilliamSRD  ปีที่แล้ว +21

      I actually read that after the fact. Azarell never actually did anything in my playthrough! It was very strange!

  • @Azhalan
    @Azhalan ปีที่แล้ว +25

    A youth spent on Dragonlance is NOT wasted! ☝️

    • @MrHorse-kv4iy
      @MrHorse-kv4iy ปีที่แล้ว +2

      chronicles is what got me started playing AD&D. still have my first edition books. stopped after wotc bought the rights. Raistlin was my favorite character. more interesting than drizzit imo.

  • @Turbodog702
    @Turbodog702 ปีที่แล้ว +41

    As someone who played this as a younger person and revisited it about 3 years ago, this is such a weird, but fair review. I feel like this was a game for Drizzt fans, much like how Dragonlance fans wanted games that focused on Dragonlance lore specifically. I could see some of the content being odd for someone with only a passing interest in the drow society of 2E. Hoping you read a couple of quick notes for context and my personal experience:
    Drizzt joins almost as a tutorial in a way, but I will concede takes too long to leave. (You can also take his weapons off before he leaves and basically rob end game items. In 2E Menzo boxed set, this guy was also a dual classed L18 Fighter into L15 Ranger. Really stupidly strong, but that is just par for the course in the super powerful freak character world of Menzoberranzan.)
    There was no mention of the disorientation puzzle in the dwarven halls, but maybe this is more common to the games than I knew as a child. I also found the altitude puzzles somewhat frustrating to deal with as well.
    There were a TON of references to Drizzt related lore. Both the Spider Mage, Jalynfein and the "DnD 5E character", Jarlaxle are House Baenre black sheep and enormous badasses. Matron Baenre and her Illithid advisor (Viddenvelp) are also enormously powerful. I feel like they really pushed to show off these powerful characters for the sake of true fans of the setting and having a credible threat no matter how powerful your party was. All of these drow are Elminster levels of strong at the time of the game's release.
    The female elf fighter, Azarell, that you mentioned and recruited has a very good reason to be fine in the Underdark, one that becomes apparent if you refuse to take her with you. I am sure you could look up the scene if you were interested.

    • @reapersritehand
      @reapersritehand ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Lol as soon as I heard the "5e d&d character " I was like wait is that jarlaxle and jumped in the comments

  • @MrEdders123
    @MrEdders123 ปีที่แล้ว +61

    Funnily enough, in 1994, when Interplay got the rights, they had another studio (Northstar) working on a 3d action RPG that would've involved going down into the Underdark, fighting Drow and so on. I didn't manage to find out any other details, other than Interplay decided to take it off Northstar and bring it in-house, but it was cancelled. Maybe it seemed too similar to Descent to Undermountain.

    • @WilliamSRD
      @WilliamSRD  ปีที่แล้ว +14

      That's really neat actually! You're probably right, would have been a bit wonky to simultaneously do a pair of games that are set in so similar a location!

    • @heilmodrhinnheimski
      @heilmodrhinnheimski 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Holy moly, the obscure 90’s rpg reviewer-sphere is real!

  • @Maggerama
    @Maggerama ปีที่แล้ว +14

    When I hear "Drizzt", I think "free +3 and +5 scimitars". Sorry, Drizzt.

  • @diegofrancisco425
    @diegofrancisco425 ปีที่แล้ว +28

    despite the game being much much less polished than Stone Prophet in terms of Level Design and overall flow, it's still full of memorable moments... one of these moments is when you find a Bracers of Giant Strength which allows you to carry whatever you want without being Encumbered (penalty to Hit Chance, penalty to Evasion Chance and penalty to Attack Damage) and also a Magic Bag, makes things sooooo easier

  • @averywisemantle3785
    @averywisemantle3785 ปีที่แล้ว +31

    I love the Dizzt Do'Urden books, and it was really interesting to see how the lore was applied for this game.
    For one, I think youre on to something that House Do'Urden is under attack. In the second book, before drizzt even starts living on the surface, house Do'Urden is slaughtered by an interhouse alliance led by house Beanre.
    Also I think the 'dnd 5e character' that helps you out is a chaotic drow mercenary called Jarlaxle who is a major player in the books.
    Also the matron mother of Beanre was probably fucking with you when she threatened to kill you because she thought you'd end up helping kill house Do'Urden

    • @nicholasfarrell5981
      @nicholasfarrell5981 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Wasn't that the end of the first book where House Do'Urden gets destroyed?

  • @CChissel
    @CChissel ปีที่แล้ว +17

    The RA Salvatore books are what first introduced me to literature and reading. I consumed those books as a child and it opened a whole new world to me, I read every single book in that long series, and I eventually branched out to other fantasy series, science fiction, and also nonfiction. I still sometimes go back to read the older books for nostalgias sake, I can’t help but love them. And for as long as I can remember, I have wanted to play a video game set in that world, a GOOD video game. I’ve since given up on that dream though, I doubt I’ll ever see one, not in my lifetime.

    • @profezzordarke4362
      @profezzordarke4362 ปีที่แล้ว

      With "in that world" do you mean the Forgotten Realms? Because, there are a bunch of great games in the Forgotten Realms. But if you mean "That follows the plot of the Drizzt Books" then yeah, nah.

    • @DestroyYouAlot
      @DestroyYouAlot 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I got to meet R. A. in like 1991 (he was doing a book signing tour of Waldenbooks for the first installment of the Cleric Quintet - there was NOBODY there, how times have changed), and I remember his being super cool to an excitable little kid, and being shocked by the strong New England accent (he's from Leominster, about half an hour away from where I grew up).

  • @BRNDMYR
    @BRNDMYR ปีที่แล้ว +14

    ACAB = All caves are beautiful

  • @yuin3320
    @yuin3320 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    When it comes to being attacked despite being "card carrying" and all that, it reminds me of an interview i saw with Richard Garriot (the man behind the Ultima series) where he explained the origin of the hostile children encounter in Ultima 4. It was a long time ago, but if i recall, he said it was originally born out of an oversight in how the engine worked. It was something to do with how it handled Dungeon environments as distinct things from overworld and town environments. These dungeon environments would make all npc tiles become hostile to players. When it was discovered by a playtester who had a viscerally disgusted reaction to it, Richard was like "Hah, awesome. Get gud." And didnt bother reworking the engine _and_ kept the encounter, since the player had a couple nonlethal options even if they were more difficult to progress with... That playtester soon quit.
    But yeah I wonder if it was an engine limitation, or just a bug that they didnt have or take time to fix. It would certainly line up with what you mentioned about the company's game dev approach.

    • @fy8798
      @fy8798 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      That puts the children encounter in Ultima 8 a bit into context, if so - that'd be a reference. Interesting

  • @Lex-vd2is
    @Lex-vd2is ปีที่แล้ว +17

    Man, there is something about the early DreamForge RPGs character art style that tingles my nostalgia. Be it Veil of Darkness, Ravenloft and Menzoberranzan or Anvil of Dawn. You don't get such feelings nowadays when everything is just "we need more polygons to look more realistic" what most games go for.

  • @chrisellis8089
    @chrisellis8089 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    I enjoyed this game, but always felt it weird that the game gave your low level characters a level 15 npc to adventure with. Also, the young elf you find is actually a yochol (monster you couldn't damage) who changes and attacks you if you reject her.

  • @VoidSmoker97
    @VoidSmoker97 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    I’m surprised this game doesn’t have much, if any actual reviews on TH-cam, something about the graphics of these 90s dungeon crawlers has a lot of charm to it

    • @WilliamSRD
      @WilliamSRD  ปีที่แล้ว +6

      This youtube niche was wide open and waiting for me baybeeeeeee

  • @4fives992
    @4fives992 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I would have forgiven all of this game's flaws if thumbnail centaur had been a permanent party member.

  • @LarsOfTheMohicans
    @LarsOfTheMohicans ปีที่แล้ว +15

    The two Drow with mustaches from 25:50 are by far the two manliest Drow to have ever existed.

    • @LuvboneX
      @LuvboneX ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Bro, you need to play the first Eye of the Beholder then.

    • @LightStreak567
      @LightStreak567 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      They are likely half-drow, because pureblood elves are not supposed to grow hair anywhere else on their bodies besides their heads. Facial hair and body hair is solely a human, dwarf, half-elf (due to one of the parents being a non-elf) halfling and gnome trait.

    • @LuvboneX
      @LuvboneX ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@LightStreak567 Incorrect.
      That depends entirely on the edition of D&D.
      Just like at some point Dwarves and Elves had their race as class and some spells were restricted by race (Haste, Sleep, Chromatic Orb were uniquely elven spells if I remember correctly) whether Elves had facial hair changed throughout various editions.

    • @LightStreak567
      @LightStreak567 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@LuvboneX Edition or campaign setting? It is canon in lore that fey creatures cannot grow facial hair.

    • @LuvboneX
      @LuvboneX ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@LightStreak567 Elves arent Fey Creatures in the D&D lore except for the Eladrin.

  • @fetus2280
    @fetus2280 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    I didnt realize how many RPG games i missed back then, well until i found your channel that is. I started with Zork and moved on to Diablo 1 / Hellfire. Played that game so much i was buying a new mouse almost monthly... wore the clicks right out of them . Had so much fun hosting multiplayer hellfire servers .. I still go back and play once and a while. I may have to try out some of these older ones for shits and giggles. Still have the retro rig to play them on :)

  • @darkholyPL
    @darkholyPL ปีที่แล้ว +2

    1:50
    Dev to the animator: so, you know how spiders walk, right?
    Animator: y.. yeah, sure!

  • @AamitMorthos
    @AamitMorthos ปีที่แล้ว +6

    22:15 😂😂😂 I hate that I went "ohmygod why's the spider dude hot" right before this. Why is everyone hot in these games though!?
    I love it.

  • @planescaped
    @planescaped ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Drizzt Do'Urden has to be one of the most quintessential Mary Sue characters in all of fiction.
    Who wins, all the gods and most powerful beings in Faerun in an unholy Legion of Doom-esque alliance... or Drizzt? My money's on Mr Twinkle and Icingdeath....

  • @simondaniel4028
    @simondaniel4028 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    30:15 I had the NES port of Pool of Radiance as a child. I wasn't even aware that DnD was a thing until my late teens when BG 1 got big. Pool of Radiance taught me so much about RPGs that took years to kick in but I was so much better prepared for complex systems, not just in gaming, because of that game. I used to come up with characters and dynamics between them, little stories they'd tell before camping. It taught me how to PnP years before I found myself doing it. What a game.

  • @CosmicCosmo1
    @CosmicCosmo1 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    I thought that elf chick you picked up after they kidnap Drizzt was actually a monster that would attack you shortly after you recruit her. Or maybe she just turns into a monster and attacks you if you don't let her join the party.

    • @joshmiller7870
      @joshmiller7870 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I remember finding a young NPC that turned into a Yochlloll and attacks you. Freaked me out back in the day.

  • @LegalKimchi
    @LegalKimchi ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Another banger! Loved the call with Crowe. Real dnd youtuber conversations right there

    • @WilliamSRD
      @WilliamSRD  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      He and I share the exact same single brain cell

  • @RIlianP
    @RIlianP ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Menzoberranzan is an giant S&M dungeons in Dungeons & Dragons, completed with dominatrixes clad in black skimpy skintight leathers and the social events are usually orgies, cool place but outsider visit only as a sacrificial slaves. The funniest thing is that WoTC cant change it because of the legal agreement they have with Ed Greenwood in regards to the Forgotten Realms lore, its hilarious.

    • @MedievalFantasyTV
      @MedievalFantasyTV ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I have heard Ed himself mentioning that agreement, but I am curious about the specifics. How can I know more about this?

  • @HoopleBogart
    @HoopleBogart ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I have nostalgia for Everquest and that's a game I didn't start playing until 2019 so I know the feeling. Another great video, I love checking out these old dungeon crawlers without actually having to play them 😅

    • @Szriko
      @Szriko 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I genuinely can't even imagine STARTING everquest in 2019.

  • @shannonwilliams7249
    @shannonwilliams7249 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    This game was impossible to figure out as a 14 year old back in the day.

    • @FEcluk
      @FEcluk 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Tell-me about it. I was 7 years old in 95 when my dad picked this up. But there's a catch. I'm Brazilian, i didnt speak any english back then lol. he bought a IBM Aptiva and took this game home for me with it. That's why i never went very far lol, i had no idea what i was doing, always thought it was so hard to play, and such strange game. Recently playing Baldurs gate 3 i remembered Menzo, searched through my stuff and found it. On the Original Box, in very well condition, stored for almost 30 years.

  • @jasonblalock4429
    @jasonblalock4429 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    31:00 Not D&D, but one of SSI's most interesting experiments around this time is a totally forgotten one called Renegade: Battle For Jacob's Star, based on the FASA Renegade Legion license. It was a full-on 3D space-sim shooter, a'la Wing Commander. It was actually pretty good too. But I don't think it sold well, since AFAIK they never did another one.

  • @someonethere1122
    @someonethere1122 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Your videos on the SSI games have made me want to go back and play them again. Love your work keep it up!

  • @Dr.Quarex
    @Dr.Quarex ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I was a huge Drizzt fan at the time and I remember being absolutely blown away. By how terrible literally everyone agreed this game was. It made no sense how SSI had gone seemingly overnight from putting out era- and virtually genre-defining CRPGs to whatever this was (though granted they did not develop it themselves). Edit: I totally believe it was not that bad, if there is one thing I have learned in my decades of computer gaming fandom it is that sometimes hyperbolic hatred of games means the game is more mediocre than terrible, and people are just trying to one-up each other to bash it

  • @tilmatomo
    @tilmatomo ปีที่แล้ว +4

    It has been a long time since I played this game. I think the idea with the monsters in the Drow houses is they are the slaves they use as battle fodder in the wars between houses. You are being attacked because you may be a Drow, but you aren't marked with any sort of house insignia or sigils, so you are assumed to be an intruder bent on assassination. I might be off base there however.

  • @DIEGhostfish
    @DIEGhostfish 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    27:28 The monsters have those enchantment sparkles around them. So they seem to be intended to be mindslaves, maybe sent by another house attacking Do'Urden, maybe they are Do'Urden guard beasts but the spell on them had a side effect that lets them see you're transmuted.

  • @kmoustakas
    @kmoustakas ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I was stuck for months in the dwarven temple, unable to find a simple single button that was just a few ways away from the door it opened.

    • @WilliamSRD
      @WilliamSRD  ปีที่แล้ว +7

      I know EXACTLY which hall you're talking about. That button was EVIL

  • @PurpleXVI
    @PurpleXVI ปีที่แล้ว +9

    I always felt like their D&D stuff was some of SSI's weaker offerings. I spent ages being buried by their original game Dark Legions when I got it, that was super fascinating.

  • @KareemHarper
    @KareemHarper 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    These games, along with Origin, Sierra and LucasArts (Microprose & Spectrum HoloByte too) made up my late elementary school, junior high and early high school years. Such memories of avoiding homework to sneak in one more hour...

  • @Shahanshah_Xeno
    @Shahanshah_Xeno ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Do you plan to cover other CRPG games/series like Lands of Lore, Eye of the Beholder, Bard's Tale, Wizardry, Anvil of Dawn, Might & Magick, Stonekeep, Dungeon Hack, Betrayal at Krondor, Krynn series, Pool of Radiance series, Ultima, Ultima Underworld, Al-Qadim, Dark Sun, Realms of Arkania or perhaps more modern ones like Aeon of Sands, The Quest, Legend of Grimrock, Legends of Amberland or Islands of the Caliph?
    I feel like there's definetely a largely unfullfilled niche for this sorta content on youtube, taking a look and doing some background or broader research into older CRPGs, especially stuff that's either not isometric or before the advent of Baldur's Gate, Fallout, etc. Names like those above I feel are rarely looked at beyond the occasional gameplay channels or odd review that's short and between like 4-10 minutes. Especially given the success of your Ravenloft and Undermountain videos I feel like you already got the audience primed for it. Esp for stuff people don't look at often, people know Ultima and Wizardry for example but fewer know maybe Lands of Lore or Anvil of Dawn.

    • @spademagna2672
      @spademagna2672 ปีที่แล้ว

      You may like Mredders then

    • @Shahanshah_Xeno
      @Shahanshah_Xeno ปีที่แล้ว

      @@spademagna2672 I know of him but he also doesn't cover many, a lot of his reviews aren't exactly CRPGs either.

  • @Lazysupermutant
    @Lazysupermutant ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Part of me wants to recommend Grimoire: Heralds of the Wing Exemplars. It's a modern game made by an industry veteran that is positively seeped in all the 80's and 90's RPG filigree, at times both wonderfully customizable and frustratingly obtuse. The developers something of an infamous, especially in the jagged alliance scene, basically made the game by himself over the course of 15 plus years.
    It's for all these reasons I fear you might not want to play it, but I would also like comprehensive playthrough for my own sanity.

  • @Akinohotarubi
    @Akinohotarubi ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Maybe the creatures in Do Urden house only attack people with mustache.

  • @hartthorn
    @hartthorn ปีที่แล้ว +7

    In regards to the ending... honestly that's how the editions themselves tend to work. Make a new engine, takes a little time getting their footing, make some banger shit, and then they start to coast.

    • @profezzordarke4362
      @profezzordarke4362 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      No, not really. It's more like "We have a working system, we published a bunch of okay and some great adventure modules... let's make a completely new system so we can sell new stuff. But, uhm, make it less work. Just copy three paragraphs from the earlier rules about lore and fill in the rest with underpaid artists illustrations."

  • @Resulka
    @Resulka ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I would really love to see you handle the the other Masterpiece Collection games from this era - The hilariously batshit insane Dark sun games, the vastly different games of the World of Aden games and my favourite of the bunch - Al Qadim's The Genie's Curse.
    I mean, there is the Eye of the Beholder series which had a similar sort of interface to Menzo and the 'Lofts but didn't seem as charming and had required hidden walls in their first area which pretty much made me "M'kay, not for me!" as a kid and I haven't yet returned to that series.
    Most recently went through the Dark Sun games on stream and I had forgotten what sheer joy the writers had with that game. Every single storylet of that game is bizarre and wonderful. Second game was a bit of a diappointment in terms of tone compared to the first game, but the was enough craziness to the plot to keep me going.
    Entomorph, the 2nd of the World of Adven games is also a trip - It's in the same engine as Genie's Curse so I was excited to try it and I did not see the storyline coming one bit. I tried Thunderscape which had a surprisingly banging techno-ish soundtrack compared to what I was expecting, but the scenes are just all soo.... brown... I managed 4 hours of wanding around shit covered walls with enemies that sounded like broken radar machines before I called it quits.

    • @noukan42
      @noukan42 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I played shattered lands about 1 years ago and i was blown away tbh. It was much simpler to learn than expected and it holds up in a lot of ways(case in point, i was playing fucking WotR in the same timeframes and there were time i tought "i'd rather play Shattered lands"). The starting arena is one of the best starting areas i ever seen and i am fairly confident i did not even found all the escape routes. I really feel like i can recomend it with almost no string atached wich is rare even for the CRPG of the early 2000s.

  • @AndrewRayGorman
    @AndrewRayGorman ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Love it! Been sitting in my game library for awhile, need to give it a play. BTW, got to love your presentation. Reminds me a lot of early youtube game reviews. A nostalgia type video already full of nostalgia. You got a good hook haha

  • @Crocogator
    @Crocogator ปีที่แล้ว +9

    MENZEBERNEBALINE! MENZERBENZANINE! TRAMBAMPOLINE!

    • @WilliamSRD
      @WilliamSRD  ปีที่แล้ว +4

      MARZIPAN MARGERINE

    • @Crocogator
      @Crocogator ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@WilliamSRD MIZERBAMBEM DRIZZT DONT LEAVE ME

    • @Turbodog702
      @Turbodog702 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      OH. MY. GOD.
      No you don't! That Menzoberranzan is mine!

    • @Crocogator
      @Crocogator ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Turbodog702 Yesssss you got the reference.

  • @Agent789_0
    @Agent789_0 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    That description at the end really makes SSI sound like their era’s equivalent of Ubisoft.

  • @Elka-qg5lt
    @Elka-qg5lt 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hey! I just recently stumbled over your channel, you reviewed the games i watch most on YT, so here i am :-) Thanks for those videos!

  • @guyincognito959
    @guyincognito959 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    The Underdark theme is really something weirdly romantic. That otherworldliness combined with mystery...
    I too remember that I always wanted to try this game, but it was either unavailable or I was not able to get it running (I think it had some weird glitchiness that never was attended or sth)
    The first books from Salvatore where fun to read, but Iremember we stopped reading because it became cartoonish and much worse, loaded with morally/political statement-monologues that went on for paragraphs...
    And I have no idea what "underdark radiation" is supposed to be :D

    • @D--FENS
      @D--FENS ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Underdark radiation is called the Faerzress.

    • @guyincognito959
      @guyincognito959 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@D--FENS curious, thanks for the word to look up :)
      Never read about this in any story or saw this in any game until now. Which is curious because I played a few d+d games that came later.
      It was only mentioned how very dangerous everything is, and that you'd want at least night vision and magic gear, a to speak.

    • @horrendouscauldronofsalt7111
      @horrendouscauldronofsalt7111 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      agree

    • @azureascendant994
      @azureascendant994 ปีที่แล้ว

      I stopped reading Drizzt books for similar reasons. The relationship between Drizzt and Cattibrie is gross too.

    • @D--FENS
      @D--FENS 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I've never read Salvatore. Would you kindly elaborate a bit on what you mean by moral and political monologues?

  • @herpderp9774
    @herpderp9774 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Every time William says Drizzt or Drow, take a shot!

  • @LarsSveen
    @LarsSveen ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I really enjoyed this game as a kid. I still have a handful of these old SSI DnD games on floppy/CD, collecting dust in my closet.

  • @DoomedSheridan
    @DoomedSheridan ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I never played the old SSI D&D games, but damn if these vids aren't making me curious to try them sometime.

  • @IosonoRob
    @IosonoRob ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Forget about this big haired Drizzt, I want an entire game about the centaur dude 😳 (I'll leave it to you to decide the genre)

  • @mirrorsandstuff
    @mirrorsandstuff ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I found this one from kikoskia's play through. Fascinating piece of dev history.

  • @Xerardo-Ancient-Game-Music
    @Xerardo-Ancient-Game-Music ปีที่แล้ว +2

    21:01 Nice you mentioned the game's great music. 'Drizzt's Shelter' and 'Temple of Dumathoin' are both excellent compositions IMO. Great video overall!

  • @user-jq1mg2mz7o
    @user-jq1mg2mz7o ปีที่แล้ว +3

    "a d&d 5e character-"
    i damn near choked laughing at that, thanks

  • @cmdrarcturus8197
    @cmdrarcturus8197 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great that you're bringing up these old gems. I bought all these back in the day as part of their "Masterpiece" collection along with the Dark Sun games in very elaborate packaging. I was enthralled for weeks. I know that it's not specifically part of D&D, but any chance you'll give a lengthy review of SSI's World of Aden: Thunderscape? I've always felt that it was a bit underrated and would love to see a modern remake.

  • @joseignaciofarias2617
    @joseignaciofarias2617 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Loving these old dnd games!

  • @delphidelion
    @delphidelion ปีที่แล้ว +1

    As soon as I saw the first 4 words of the title I thought "I wonder if it is Menzoberranzan?"

  • @Cassandra112
    @Cassandra112 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Should be noted. Ultima Underworld was 1992.

  • @thegblob
    @thegblob ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video. I'd like to see a video on what modern, party based, first person, adventure games are available.

  • @selinawalsh9075
    @selinawalsh9075 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    26:21 What was the reference with the "D&D 5E character" joke? I've been trying to figure it out, but idk what he means.

  • @abyssalproductions0
    @abyssalproductions0 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I really like the way you cover these old RPGs, so you plan on covering all of the Forgotten Realms titles eventually? I’d love to see a video from you on Savage Frontier

  • @apathyonastick
    @apathyonastick 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    @8:11 Is this music from the game? It's also in Pathfinder: Kingmaker

  • @ashwinnmyburgh9364
    @ashwinnmyburgh9364 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I am actually going to be buying this game soon. Been playing through all games set in the Forgotten Realms setting, except the ones which seem really trash like Dungeons and Dragons: Dark Alliance, and Descent to Undermountain.

    • @matternicuss
      @matternicuss ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Dark Alliance is good though. At least if you like Diablo clones with couch coop.

    • @itsaUSBline
      @itsaUSBline ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@matternicuss it's a decent coop game, but I feel like that's the only way it's worth it.

  • @Nikademus1969
    @Nikademus1969 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Drizzt is like the Wolverine of D&D

  • @codingwithculp
    @codingwithculp ปีที่แล้ว +2

    What is interesting as I only have very vague memory of the two Ravenloft games, but it wasn't a huge Ravenloft fan back then. However, I played the heck out of Menzoberranzen and enjoyed it.

  • @joearnold6881
    @joearnold6881 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Man, I read a bunch of Dragonlance as a kid in the early 90s.
    That weird Mormon trash I loved had NO effect on me. _none_

    • @WilliamSRD
      @WilliamSRD  ปีที่แล้ว +3

      WE TURNED OUT FINE

    • @613aristocrat
      @613aristocrat ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@WilliamSRD Raistlin! How could you do that to your own brother! Gah!

    • @joearnold6881
      @joearnold6881 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@WilliamSRD *FINE*

  • @garykelley9027
    @garykelley9027 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Glad the algorithm showed me your channel, this was a slice of nostalgia, I got a 10 game set of a bunch of SSI games with this game in it as the last. Takes me back.
    Sorry to hear you're doing Neverwinter... I mean solid game except for MMO's it's one of the worst microtransaction you to death one, I stopped playing years ago because I had enough.
    Still, if you do find fun it it good for you.

  • @roybatty9935
    @roybatty9935 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    What I heard was "If you don't like The Color Purple, this game may not be for you," and I was a bit confused for a moment

  • @orcwarchiefreviews
    @orcwarchiefreviews ปีที่แล้ว +7

    You know I wish there were a lot more ravenloft video games I mean it's such a cool setting

    • @WilliamSRD
      @WilliamSRD  ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Totally! It's one of the reasons I rail against how stingy D&D is with the license these days. There is quite literally 0 good reasons why no one's adapted modern Curse of Strahd into a CRPG, for example. WOTC is just gun-shy about licensing.

    • @Mosesthegreatdude
      @Mosesthegreatdude ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I would love owlcat to do 5.0 modules the same way they’ve done WotR and Kingmaker for Pathfinder. Curse of Strahd, Tomb of annihilation and rime of the frostmaiden would be my top choices

  • @Mordakai
    @Mordakai ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Well lads, we've finally arrived at Menzies :D

  • @mylesrosson1260
    @mylesrosson1260 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice video man, keep em up

  • @skullcultist
    @skullcultist ปีที่แล้ว +1

    A lovely and fun video, as always! Ahhh, I fondly recall 1994, and thinking exactly what you pointed out: That the SSI D&D games were getting stale (or, lacking innovation, etc). I still enjoyed playing them (usually), but yeah. This was also during an era when tabletop AD&D/D&D just wasn't kewl anymore (hello CP2020, KULT, WFRP, SLA Industries, Talislanta, et al), and TSR seemed to being going down in sad flames.
    Quick question: I love that undead dude on throne t-shirt; where'd you get it?
    Thanks again for the awesome videos, sir.

    • @TNTITAN
      @TNTITAN ปีที่แล้ว +1

      To be fair they were trying other things. You had the civilization D&D game (Stronghold), the Risk D&D game (Fantasy Empires), and the rogue like D&D game (Dungeon Hack). So they were trying but I think it was at the time gaming was saturated with either FPS or RTS games.

  • @banks3388
    @banks3388 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Drizzt cosplays are amazing, we need more lol...

    • @JnEricsonx
      @JnEricsonx ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I've yet to see one at a con. Which is depressing.

  • @JemyM
    @JemyM ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I made a full optimized playthrough of this after Ravenloft 1 and 2, finishing all three for the first time in 2021. My verdict is of course it sucked, especially the large empty labyrinthian caves. But I am still happy I did finish it because it was not void of very memorable scenes and content. The music segment you made made me remember those track immediately as really good ones.

  • @counterhitasmr9196
    @counterhitasmr9196 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I love how he brings up 90s drow being perfect targets for thumbnails, but then the actual thumbnail is a shirtless human man.

  • @nocturnalnights27
    @nocturnalnights27 ปีที่แล้ว

    Fantastic video, great work my dude 👍

  • @HerrCherno
    @HerrCherno ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Looks like SSI liked using that weird resolution that had those wide pixels. The other game I remember using it was Blood & Magic. The graphics in that resolution always looked strange to me, a bit like old C64 games.

  • @DarkOmegaMK2
    @DarkOmegaMK2 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    So what's the Music Box for? The one where you trade it for the Helm Of Fakhiurm'Om.

    • @TherinCreative
      @TherinCreative 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Free (infinite, maybe) healing.

  • @DIEGhostfish
    @DIEGhostfish 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Drizzt was so popular he basically guaranteed the Forgotten Realms crushing other official DnD settings like Mystara and Greyhawk and Dark Sun. After all if you're making a videogame based on DnD, you can set it in one of the original settings by Gary and co, oooor you can set it somewhere where Drizzt can cameo. 3.0 and 3.5 gave you info on the Greyhawk gods, and made Greyhawk the "Official" main setting, keeping spells named for Iconics from Gary's table, but all the real setting support books were Forgotten Realms

  • @DVX_BELLORVM
    @DVX_BELLORVM 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    As a young nerd who knew nothing about this game before I dove in, I have to say that it was extremely cool to get Drizzt Do'Urden in your party back in 1994. Menzo still holds a place in my heart thanks to its atmospheric visuals and absolutely fantastic soundtrack. I completely agree, however, that the middle portion of the game is mostly a boring, repetitive slog. It's a shame because both the Icewind Dale plains and the City of Menzoberranzan are very fun and engaging.

  • @robertbeisert3315
    @robertbeisert3315 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Drow Ranger with Twin Scimitars and a Panther was the Tiefling Warlock of its day.

  • @gravecactus
    @gravecactus ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I didn't play this myself but it kind of reminds me of the Might and Magic series. I really liked those, even the bad ones (but not the last one which doesn't exist)

  • @chrismurphy4398
    @chrismurphy4398 ปีที่แล้ว

    Have you done a wizardry retrospective yet?

  • @piratepop7115
    @piratepop7115 ปีที่แล้ว

    I never have seen any of these games. Nice vid

  • @Matthew-cc4xt
    @Matthew-cc4xt 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This was such a great game back in the day. Very mysterious and a fun rpg grind, and leaps and bounds ahead of the old dungeon delvers. I didn't play any D&D video game as much as this til Icewind Dale 2.

  • @nassattack
    @nassattack 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I had this game as a kid and oh man do I have complicated feelings on it. I wanted to like it so much but I think like 99% of my playtime was being lost in those fucking caverns. I don't think I ever made it to the actual city.
    However, this game did get me into the Drizzt books, which I know is absolutely wild that I played this not knowing who that was.

  • @demiraichan
    @demiraichan ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Not gonna lie, I've probably watched your Stone Profit review at least 9 times now if not more.
    I really like these reviews, especially since I most likely will never play these games and love d&d adventure games like this (I just don't have the time for em anymore)

  • @piratepop7115
    @piratepop7115 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The devs have seen spiders we know nothing about

  • @LolaliciousSmiley
    @LolaliciousSmiley ปีที่แล้ว +1

    He was the best choice, but I wouldn't have been opposed to putting all the sexy characters in the thumbnail at once.

  • @ZachSkyline
    @ZachSkyline 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I would love to see a video on Dungeon Hack!

  • @chrismurphy4398
    @chrismurphy4398 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice work, I grew up with all these and the tabletop

  • @garrick3727
    @garrick3727 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The Town Watch Captain - Big John Holmes.
    Back in the day, these games are also just okay. They weren't anything groundbreaking or special. In fact, they were dated in many ways. However, the fact that they told a story of some sort, however trite, made them kind of fun. They were the type of game you pick up, play until you finish, and then not play again. Many modern games just seem to have a lot of padding by comparison. Were these SSR games good? No. Were they bad? No. I think "niche" is the best descriptor for them.

  • @Monochrome_11
    @Monochrome_11 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I was wayy to young when i read those "Dragon Lance" but i turned out fine

  • @Felinius
    @Felinius ปีที่แล้ว

    I just spent half an hour yelling the correct pronunciation at my tablet while most of my coworkers looked on in concern…

  • @Argonisgema
    @Argonisgema ปีที่แล้ว

    William: "HE LEVEL 15 WHAT?!
    Me: "is that high?"

  • @axt2
    @axt2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Nice, this looks comfy!

  • @theaprilcat
    @theaprilcat ปีที่แล้ว

    I've been waiting for this one! (leaving a comment for the algorithm before I watch)

    • @WilliamSRD
      @WilliamSRD  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks bruv! I hope it lives up!

  • @ForeverKite42
    @ForeverKite42 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    the Centaur was the right choice for thumbnail

  • @dearthditch
    @dearthditch ปีที่แล้ว

    Huh. Dunno how I missed these games. Played all the gold box games and the Eye of the Beholder series
    Really enjoyed the video!