Making a Bubble Plate chamber

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  • เผยแพร่เมื่อ 4 ส.ค. 2018
  • This is a fast easy way to make a bubble plate assembly, works well and is cost effective.

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  • @mitchmitcheson3287
    @mitchmitcheson3287 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    An explanation on what this does and the science behind it would be great.

    • @STILLinCANADA
      @STILLinCANADA  5 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      Mitch Mitcheson sure Mitch, let me know if I cover what your asking. Each bubble chamber condenses the vapours and creates another distillation process. I’m not a huge fan of full flavour profiles so I use different amounts of plates to make the spirit a little more pure. So you have heard 3 times distilled, this is a way to achieve that statement with one run. If I add 3 bubble chambers it’s like Distilling the batch several times. Now my Still is small 2” so each plate can go into reflux ( re-distill) depending on the air temperature at the distillery, but I also have a dephlag on top of the column which converts the vapours to liquid and that falls back into the plates to be re distilled.
      You can achieve this effect in many ways. Using a pot still you just cut your spirit from the first run to 40 abv and throw it back into the Still and run again. Another way to clean up a spirit is to run it through charcoal, possibly several times depending on what you desire in flavour. But keep in mind each step does remove flavour and it is up to your taste buds to decide which flavour profile is right for you. I prefer it dry, you may wish it to be more full bodied which requires less work.
      Hope that covers it. If not send another message with a little more specific request if you can and I will do my best to answer.
      Thanks for writing!

    • @mitchmitcheson3287
      @mitchmitcheson3287 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@STILLinCANADAThanks for the swift reply. That makes perfect sense, odd I haven't seen it before. Seems much better than the other reflux stills I've seen, more control to adjust flavour profiles seems like a great advantage.
      Really enjoying the vids, keep up the good work 👍

    • @optimistichorizon
      @optimistichorizon 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@STILLinCANADA *This answer should be pinned to the top of he comment section!*

    • @STILLinCANADA
      @STILLinCANADA  5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      optimistichorizon done

    • @jamesgrey8093
      @jamesgrey8093 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Ok dum dum its a bubble plate it puts it though anoter distillation and purifies it more,,, get that mcfly ,,, ha ha lol

  • @BillMcGirr
    @BillMcGirr 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Sweet video.
    Amazing work... making your own bubble plates is next level.
    Love it.
    Thank you for the information.👍💪🥃

  • @alexcoates2163
    @alexcoates2163 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is a great solution! Thanks for sharing.

  • @Madmanmax405
    @Madmanmax405 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    amazing video in the diy sense i have looked intently for a video on how to make these and your is litterally the only one. 60$ each online X 5 plates = 300$ seemed high as bird p***y to me and that is why i started looking around for a diy video this. Thankyou sir you got a new sub and a thumbs up from the first 90 seconds of this one video.

  • @Njennings42
    @Njennings42 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Pretty cool. I will be adding a bubble plate to my column in a few weeks and I really just wanted to make sure on sizes of the holes of the bubblers. My column is connected to the boiler with a 3 inch tri clamp which has female npt threading going up. At the inside of the coupling there is a small ledge in which I am going to insert a stainless steel mason jar lid (which conveniently fits quite snugly in there) and use that as the basis for my bubble plate. Good video, thanks.

  • @countryboycharlie9793
    @countryboycharlie9793 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This my kinda stuff, I like to build stuff...great video

  • @jamesgrey8093
    @jamesgrey8093 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Mark thats some pretty detail work , im not sure about getting it right the 1st time but i could try...

  • @bittsandbobs9368
    @bittsandbobs9368 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you!, Good work!

    • @STILLinCANADA
      @STILLinCANADA  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Bittsandbobs Thanks, happy to be able to provide some help and hope I can do a whole lot more

  • @countryboycharlie9793
    @countryboycharlie9793 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank u sir on information 👍👍

  • @mheuuj
    @mheuuj 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice work!

  • @djscottdog1
    @djscottdog1 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is exactly what i needed , thankyou

    • @STILLinCANADA
      @STILLinCANADA  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Glad it helps

    • @djscottdog1
      @djscottdog1 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@STILLinCANADA i was racking my brain on how to seal it and have a site glass

  • @Hitman0220
    @Hitman0220 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    nice job!

  • @robertartibise5998
    @robertartibise5998 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great work.

    • @STILLinCANADA
      @STILLinCANADA  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Robert Artibise Thanks man, they work really well and will post a full run with them.

  • @danssv8
    @danssv8 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great stuff

  • @StillFunBrewing
    @StillFunBrewing 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I work in a welding shop and all of our blown plasma tips get saved into a bucket. I always thought I could use those for bubble plates. Never given it a shot. I need to get a little sheet copper and do that.

  • @joshbaker2105
    @joshbaker2105 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very cool.

  • @williamcarson1038
    @williamcarson1038 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    excellent. thank you! im gonna use 1/2" caps as my tips instead of the plasma tips though, for cost savings. then my bubble caps will be 3/4" over top. its working in my mind, anyway..

    • @STILLinCANADA
      @STILLinCANADA  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      What works for you is the best way to go. But as for costs the plasma tips were dirt cheap

  • @rafer2002
    @rafer2002 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Very kool

  • @jaredschwiner6844
    @jaredschwiner6844 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    How thick is your copper plate? .125?
    And the holes on the side.of your tips. Did you put 2 hole all the way thru making a tea intersection? Or did you put 4 holes half way thru?

  • @kenniclown3103
    @kenniclown3103 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I've been looking for the right size of plasma cutter tips. Which ones did you use?

    • @STILLinCANADA
      @STILLinCANADA  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I don’t remember the size. But I got some at both princess auto and at harbor freight

  • @jasonw9431
    @jasonw9431 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great video! Did you make the sight glass as well?

    • @STILLinCANADA
      @STILLinCANADA  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      No it was too cheap to buy from alibaba. I paid less for the complete unit than I would have for the metal needed to put in lathe

    • @jasonw9431
      @jasonw9431 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@STILLinCANADA THANK YOU!!

    • @markusroder9096
      @markusroder9096 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@STILLinCANADA can you post the Link please?

    • @STILLinCANADA
      @STILLinCANADA  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@markusroder9096 I don’t have it any more. Just do a search on Alibaba.com you should turn up several results

  • @rileysowner
    @rileysowner 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Interesting video. I have no idea where to get copper sheets, and some of the steps seem unclear, but I will watch it again when I have more time to see if a second time through helps or gives me more specific questions. Thanks.

    • @tomb816
      @tomb816 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Not sure where you're located, but the internet is full of sellers that could supply you with various sizes of copper sheeting. A local scrapyard is another good source for copper goods.

    • @rileysowner
      @rileysowner 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@tomb816 shipping prices are what kill me.

    • @tomb816
      @tomb816 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@rileysowner I hear ya. Try a scrapyard, roofing supply store, or metal shop. At least 2 should have a line on sheet or roll copper.

    • @MrBarasinski
      @MrBarasinski 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      www.ebay.com/itm/2-inch-Copper-Bubble-Plate-For-Moonshine-Still-Alcohol-Distiler/323780502443?_trkparms=aid%3D1110001%26algo%3DSPLICE.SIM%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D20160323102634%26meid%3D23fb3329aa024bf988b96967015b3dc7%26pid%3D100623%26rk%3D5%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D183910517894%26itm%3D323780502443%26pg%3D2047675&_trksid=p2047675.c100623.m-1

    • @STILLinCANADA
      @STILLinCANADA  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      In Most areas you can find a metal supply store. We have metal supermarket and Golden triangle specialty metals close to us. For the flat plate. Then call plumbers for there scrap short pieces of tube.

  • @capitaldd5840
    @capitaldd5840 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I see ya drop in the bubble plate into thebittom of the site glass, then put the silicone gasket on, then the glass chamber. Does any vapor get under the bubble plate..... just wondering if I'd need a gasket under it too...?
    Thanks for posting. Looks like something I can do...☺

    • @STILLinCANADA
      @STILLinCANADA  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Nope works like a charm. I have don’t ten of these so far and each one has worked exceptionally well

    • @capitaldd5840
      @capitaldd5840 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@STILLinCANADA Oh hey, thanks for the quick response. I wasn't sure if it needed one - figured you would have mentioned it...
      This woild be a great addition, as I would like to up my output concentration a bit.
      Thanks again..🥃

  • @kadirturkkan735
    @kadirturkkan735 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Good job, I have seen first 2" bubble plate. how about its speed?

    • @STILLinCANADA
      @STILLinCANADA  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Ya it’s a 2” so you can expect a longer distil time. But I found they heat up a normalize fast. Controlling the reaction is instantaneous with slight temp adjustments. I was quite happy with them. But you can’t compare the speed to a 4”.

    • @kadirturkkan735
      @kadirturkkan735 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@STILLinCANADA maybe the best for home distiller like me, ll try 2" same size. thnx for the great video...

  • @davidschumann4495
    @davidschumann4495 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    this is why i love youtube

    • @STILLinCANADA
      @STILLinCANADA  5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      David Schumann always glad to be able to help others. Presently working on a bourbon mash split into 4 ferments each using different yeasts. I am trying to discover what the different strains of yeast do to the flavour profile of same mash Bill

  • @marvinharms1891
    @marvinharms1891 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice vid. Just wondering how you attached the screws🤔

    • @STILLinCANADA
      @STILLinCANADA  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Drilled holes and used a tap for adding threads

    • @marvinharms1891
      @marvinharms1891 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@STILLinCANADA thanx man I just got it after I sent the msg🙈

  • @Demymaker
    @Demymaker 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Excellent work. I have some questions, I hope you can answer them. I run a packed column (stainless scrubber) and when I run flavored spirits (such as fruit washes) I remove some packaging and look for the minimum reflux, so I get a refined and not raw product like a pot-still (which I use for stripping). I have never performed flat column but they say that you get flavors and purity at the same time .. is this true in your experience? Another question, do you have a good link where I can read the detail of the drawing, dimensions of the openings etc ...? I distill small quantities with a 3 "column and would like to understand if it is better to build a column for flavored plates or to stay with packaging. Thanks for your time.

    • @STILLinCANADA
      @STILLinCANADA  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      One roll of pure copper mesh is about equivalent to a bubble plate , the amount of flavour impact is about equivalent to the proof your running at and is within your control with the Dephlag. Discard the stainless scrubber and get a pure copper one as the copper removes sulphates from your mash. The stainless only creates a reflux condition. The size of holes is a trial and error condition as each still will operate differently

    • @Demymaker
      @Demymaker 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@STILLinCANADA Thanks for the answer, I already have copper in the vapor path. My concern is basically if you get the same flavor with scrubber (equivalent to dishes) that you would get with bubble dishes. By aroma I mean washed fruit, brandy, whiskey, etc. When I ask on the forum, there seems to be no side by side answer. I would like to avoid building a column plate and then I realize that I get the same thing with scrubbers .... I have never performed plates so I would like an opinion from those who know them, I have read the theory but it is not the same thing of field practice especially on a hobby scale.

    • @STILLinCANADA
      @STILLinCANADA  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Though the two mediums are different they do work in a similar manner. Flavour intensity and aromas will be affected the same. I did the experiment on my keg still with both plate and roll. The result was the same on my senses. However the bubble plate is far easier to control.

    • @Demymaker
      @Demymaker 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@STILLinCANADA Thank you very much. On a wash of max 20 liters and a 3 "column would you recommend the bubble plates? I am happy with the packaging but I don't know if the plates require a large wash or is similar to the packed column.

    • @STILLinCANADA
      @STILLinCANADA  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Adding plates also requires you to add a dephlag to control the reflux on the plates. That is the greatest ability of plates , is how to define the abv by adding more cold water to the dephlag and visually control the reflux on the plates. I did the mesh and it works. But by far prefer the control and profiles I can achieve with using plates

  • @UltraTopSecret
    @UltraTopSecret 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    What kind of material is the gasket? Have you seen any of those gasket in EPDM?

    • @STILLinCANADA
      @STILLinCANADA  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Simon Desjardins I am unsure to tell the truth. But the bubble glass chambers are an industry standard so I had no concerns on them.

  • @94droptop
    @94droptop 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Is that a 2in Column?
    What thickness copper did you go with on the plate?

    • @STILLinCANADA
      @STILLinCANADA  5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Cody Smith it is a 2” column and for the life of me I can’t remember the thickness but it is close to .125. I cannot bend it by hand

    • @94droptop
      @94droptop 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@STILLinCANADA Just ordered parts to build my own. Thank you. How many plates are you running? I was going to do 4. I was thinking about having 2 plates per sight glass

    • @STILLinCANADA
      @STILLinCANADA  5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Cody Smith I have 5 units but typically only use 3 with some copper wool packed in for a total of 4 plate system. I find much more than that and I’m losing too much of a flavour profile. Though if I do a few stripping runs than I can load all plates and do vodka

  • @michaelortiz4250
    @michaelortiz4250 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Would you make these bubble caps for all the people and if you do how much would you charge to make 20 of them Mike

    • @STILLinCANADA
      @STILLinCANADA  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Michael Sorry I just don’t have time with all the work I’m doing for the distillery and getting a truck restored. But this is why I made the video so that everyone can make there own. It’s quite easy and you will understand your system so much more

  • @countryboycharlie9793
    @countryboycharlie9793 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I we’re do I get one of those measuring channel things,what are they call 👍

    • @STILLinCANADA
      @STILLinCANADA  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Charlie knight I’m hoping you are asking about the drill press V block. Most tool places should have one or be able to direct you. Harbor freight and princess auto carry them. But basically any shop that sells drill presses will undoubtedly sell a V block

  • @theThinkerator
    @theThinkerator 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    are those silicone seals?
    there is great disagreement on silicone being used where high temperature/high ethanol environment.

    • @STILLinCANADA
      @STILLinCANADA  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      yes and deservingly so, however time and surface area are the big factors that come in play. on the seals neither is exposed long enough to create a problem with leaching

  • @ronse4
    @ronse4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I didn't see the bottom of the downcomer in the video. Is there a vapor block built intuit?

    • @STILLinCANADA
      @STILLinCANADA  ปีที่แล้ว

      Same setup as the others just upside down

  • @timbjork2098
    @timbjork2098 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    what size of plasma cutter tip what that longer one was a xt40?

    • @STILLinCANADA
      @STILLinCANADA  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I can remember, I went to Princess auto and harbor freight to get them if that helps

  • @woodrellb
    @woodrellb 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    My ultimate goal is to produce at highest ABV, so flavor profile doesn't matter to me. And I enjoy tinkering and building stuff... so I would appreciate your thoughts on some basic questions... because I know nothing but a little bit of science and mechanical... and no where close to your experience and skill set.
    What if I don't use a glass tube? If I cut some disks that will fit nicely into a two inch pipe, and stack some plates with stand offs to hold them apart X number of inches (maybe 2" apart). What are the chances that it will work? The plates won't seal to the sides of the pipe, but I can't see why that matters if they are close to the pipe with no major gaps. If the spacing of a couple of inches with stand-offs would work.. that would give me the ability to have 5 bubble plates in a 10" pipe space.
    Also with your design, you have 3 up and one down. I suppose that is because you're expecting less down than up... not sure why it's not 2 up and 2 down.... or maybe 3 up and 2 down.
    On the down, you extended it upward with a short piece of tubing. I'm not understanding the reason. Seems like if the down were closer to flush with the top side of the plate (like it would be without the tube) it would allow an easier downward flow of liquid towards the heat source to try again as a reflux. And besides that, since my concept is not sealing to the sides of the tube, the down flow probably doesn't really need the down nozzle, but I will put it there just in case the plates are a little closer to the sides of the pipe than I'm figuring is likely. And does the down nozzle have a cap on the bottom? If it does, it just seem like a dead space that would capture liquid.
    Anyway, I think that I written enough to prove beyond a doubt that I don't know anything. Your thoughts to re-direct me before I waste time in a worthless direction would be appreciated.
    Thank you.

    • @STILLinCANADA
      @STILLinCANADA  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Bobby Woodrell we use a glass chamber to monitor the flooding of the plates. The 3 up allow vapour to rise and condense. The down is set to maintain a specific height of liquid. Thus creating a small still. Each plate needs to be sealed to be effective. Flooding is controlled by still heat and dephlag cooling. If your using a straight pipe add rolled copper mesh to create a unsupervised theoretical plate. Each roll is equal to a plate in performance.

    • @niklashultkrantz7766
      @niklashultkrantz7766 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      The down works like a one way valve when the the plate is full off liquid that is dropping down.

  • @chadgardiner7258
    @chadgardiner7258 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Is that a 2" plate?

  • @w1nterk643
    @w1nterk643 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    is there any way by adding bubble plates to a still it could be dangerous when the vapours condense and fall on top of the bubble plate will the bubble plate not stop the vapours from underneath coming up bubble plates look good but I don't know enough about them to use them

    • @STILLinCANADA
      @STILLinCANADA  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      w1nter k read my reply to Mitch Mitcherson. I explained the process there. If you need more info let me know.

    • @w1nterk643
      @w1nterk643 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@STILLinCANADA im just wondering if its possible that it would build up pressure and be dangerous or if i added bubble plates it would still be dummy proof

    • @STILLinCANADA
      @STILLinCANADA  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      w1nter k it is still considered an open system and does not create a pressurized vessel. So safe in that regard. You control the amount of loading by the dephlag and heat you add so everything is quite controlled during the run.

  • @alexanderrupp4687
    @alexanderrupp4687 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    What are the size of the holes? That the tips fit into and the size of the larger hole?

    • @STILLinCANADA
      @STILLinCANADA  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Alexander Rupp I don’t remember now if they were 3/32 or 1/8th. Bigger holes are the size to tap the screw I used and the size to snug fit the plasma cotter tip.

    • @alexanderrupp4687
      @alexanderrupp4687 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I meant the 4 in the plate itself

    • @STILLinCANADA
      @STILLinCANADA  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes make those holes the size to snug fit the plasma tip. You will be fitting three up through the bottom and one upside down. I can’t tell you an exact size as there are many different sized tips easily available. You will have to measure the one you have.

  • @kenniclown3103
    @kenniclown3103 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    How thick is your copper sheet?

  • @emoneyblue
    @emoneyblue 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice video, but you did not show how you attached it to the plate... The underside. I subscribed...

    • @STILLinCANADA
      @STILLinCANADA  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      emoneyblue can you explain a little further and I will add the info to my next video

    • @emoneyblue
      @emoneyblue 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@STILLinCANADA
      Yes in the video you show how you made the parts then you skip to the part where it was already assembled we never saw how you actually attached it to the plate or the technique used. Can you go through the motions of showing how you attached all the pieces to the plate from the front back top and bottom that way we can actually put it together for person just looking at the video it's hard to see exactly how it was assembled. I watched all your videos and I subscribed I love what you're doing thank you keep up the good work.

    • @STILLinCANADA
      @STILLinCANADA  4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      emoneyblue ahh I get it. I do believe I explained it but didn’t actually show it. My bad. So push the plasma cutter tip up through the bottom and place the 1/2” end cap you cut slots into on top of the section you just pushed through. You should have already tapped a thread into the top of the plasma tip and all you need to do is install the screw. The screw creates a clamp between the plasma tip and the end cap upon the copper plate. This ensure you can easily remove or adjust the unit on cleanings. Let me know if this clears it up. I have done this many times and I believe the explanation sold suffice, but If not I will get your PM and send full assemble pictures.

  • @efarm.net.aufarmersfrustra5685
    @efarm.net.aufarmersfrustra5685 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    How deep are your cuts?

    • @STILLinCANADA
      @STILLinCANADA  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      eFarm.net.au Farmers Frustrations I made a template to ensure each one was close. I do not remember the depth at the moment and it will be weeks before I get close to even seeing that still. I’m presently installing our two 1300L stills and towers. Plus the 6 huge ass fermenters and mash tun. All can be seen on SilverFox Distillery Facebook page or Instagram.

  • @kenniclown3103
    @kenniclown3103 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Is the hight of the downcomer important?

    • @STILLinCANADA
      @STILLinCANADA  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      not so much, but I used one size up from the other ones, could have used the same ones and made the holes bigger if need be

    • @michaelalbro6856
      @michaelalbro6856 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I think maybe the question was same as mine, being, the height of down commer on the top side where you soldered the piece of tubing, my guess is that this must be higher than the slots in the caps or it will drain down before bubbling, is this correct?
      I must make one, I’m tired of using copper mesh wadded up in the colum. Thank you sir!

  • @represto
    @represto 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    You probably do not want to put it in the dishwasher. You'll get residual detergent - which you don't want in your final product.

    • @STILLinCANADA
      @STILLinCANADA  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      represto thanks for the heads up, I will keep an eye on that. And research detergents that do not leave any film. But I have been adding vinegar each time at the beginning of the rinse cycle and I always add an extra rinse cycle. Maybe I will just switch to hand cleaning. Just to be safe. Thanks again

  • @Tera_Hai
    @Tera_Hai 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Looks like lead based solder. Not sure how I feel about that. I recommend brass. Harder to work with but better.

    • @STILLinCANADA
      @STILLinCANADA  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      H. Fox spool that I used says 100% lead free. I made sure of it when I picked up at hardware store.

  • @mr.m.o.g.o.m.
    @mr.m.o.g.o.m. 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Why didn’t you show the construction of it the actual putting together of the individual pieces? You left a big gap in it construction.

  • @dancampbell9005
    @dancampbell9005 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    space noises

    • @STILLinCANADA
      @STILLinCANADA  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Ya, I always have Netflix playing in the background, sometimes it makes it on the soundtrack. LOL