@@ohitsthatguy8079 When did they imply that it was a bad thing? The only reason you are specifying it's good is because you think it's common sense to think it's bad and your trying to subvert the consensus for attention
Hell yeah! The best evil batman I've read is definitely the Nemesis Reloaded series! I even heard rumors about a Nemesis movie in the works. I'll admit, I'm hyped!
Funny enough, Nemesis is tame regarding Mark Millar's trademark edginess. One of his earlier works, The Unfunnies, was so edgy and mean-spirited that Millar outright refuses to acknowledge it, regretting ever writing it.
I know not everyone loves The Batman Who Laughs because isn't really complex. But I just his design and I love voicing that character it's so fun to do. Roger Creaige Smith is Voicing him in two video games and I think he's great!!!
With Laughs' design, it really does remind me a lot of Lord Of Darkness Undertaker, from late 90s WWE, with the attire he'd wear to the ring during his entrance.
Owlman and Ultraman will always be the best evil versions of their respective heroes because of how they perfectly mirror them and what they very well could’ve been under different circumstances
I think Justice Lord Batman was the closest to convincing him to turn evil, but he failed the test. Batman wanted to see two things before he made a decision: 1.) what methods do they use? 2.) do they hold themselves to their own standards? The Justice Lords failed both because they were willing to use extreme measures and because they didn't hold themselves to their own rules.
@@strongman5243 he got thrown into basically everything, that's why everyone dislikes him. It's not that he's an inherently bad character, is that he was shoved in everyone's faces like a dog who shit on the carpet.
PROMETHEUS SUPREMACY RAAAGH hes my most underrated favorite DC villain bro needs more screen recognition but sadly we didnt get him in arkham knight which is a shame
@@WarpingFist same FR also as for nemesis I’d say reloaded nemesis is better cause it has a better story premise going on and is actually interesting as an evil Batman as opposed to the first comic which felt bland and edgy for the sake of being edgy
The problem with making a character evil, overpowered or the best there is in your comic book universe is that people will want more and the characters attributes will get boring the longer they exist. What’s the next level for Superman after fans gets bored with the most overpowered Superman? The constant need to elevate, the more you have to come up with ingenious ways to portray the characters. It’s never ending as long as the characters exist. It’s best to start off slow and weak and work your way up through the years.
Batman creating Brother Eye, that's very Orwellian of him, and preparing secret contingency plans for all the League members, that sounds like secret shadow government type stuff you'd see in Deus Ex.
@@WarpingFist At the end of the day, he is just an insane schizo, and it's he who should be very wary of and untrusting by his teammates, and should be kept on a 24/7 surveillance watch for any crazy shit he does, especially breaking his team's trust by making contingencies against them in secret, so that none of the esoteric shit he does remains in the shadows without his team's foreknowledge of it. That way, they can create their own countermeasures against his contingencies, and their own contingencies against him, with triple countermeasures against his own in case he is a few steps ahead. Or, basically, just straight up ban him from the League after finding this shit out, and betraying their trust.
The issue is that Superman has no evil counterpart written well at all. Batman has some that are pretty good. Owlman is goated, Prometheus is also underrated, wrath and scorn are also interesting, BWL is not for everyone, Failsafe is alright. Superman has no evil side half as interesting, they are all trash. Azrael is also interesting. The issue is that they shouldn't become oversaturated in media.
@@WarpingFist nemesis was pretty good for me personally. It may not be for everyone but i enjoyed it. Edginess should be a section of comics for people who enjoy it and not rampant in comics.
How about "When Spider-Man Turns Evil"? like when Spidey becomes Venom if he kept the Venom symbiote or when he becomes Spider-Carnage. make a video about that!
@@koushikraja331 😂😂😂😂 cry more bro but it's just the facts. Some of Batman's evil counterparts are actually pretty interesting like Owlman and Prometheus is an underrated villian. There is no evil Superman in DC comics that is half as interesting. The issue is that they shouldn't oversaturate comics with that stuff. So boo hoo doesn't really work here.🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
In Justice League Doom yeah but I must remember if it's the same in the comic. Some sections of the comic show diagrams of Batman's data on the Justice League and the countermeasures he's thought up, and basically, all of them are what you see inflicted onto the Justice League. So I don't believe Ra's made them more messed up in Tower of Babel. At least, that's what I recall.
Evil batman seems as dumb as evil superman because it feels like an excuse for heros to fight eachother for powerscaling reasons. Seeing a evil batman doesnt work because he faced trauma and why woukd a victim of trauma inflcited that same trauma onto others
And save the people from DC North korea for instance, and don't come with the bulsh## excuse of or these places are cursed by an evil being 🤓 This excuse only apries to post crises plus i'm pretty sure Superman could kill these evil BEINGS PLUS MAGICS COULD EXPULSE THEM. and why don't Batman Just pay the passages for the people of Gotham to forsake Gotham i'm pretty sure most of them would agree to leave. and a multi-billionare could pay the passages of 1M people.
My 2 favorite evil Batman's is Owlman and Flashpoint Batman. Out of all Evil Batmen Owlman is his own person and when talkin about blowin up prime earth to destroy the multi verse proves he's better than any other evil batman including the Batman who laugh who killed in the comics. It doesn't matter nothin matters cause another version of him will pick another choice.
Owlman deserves an full on animated series... exploring more of the trauma of the character and giving him unique people to fight against but hey I'm looking forward to caped crusader in August all of the episodes drop at once. 👍
The way they present Batman in comics as borderline unstoppable because he’s just soooo smart and soooo skilled honestly makes no goddamn sense and has never made any sense. Shit is impossible to take seriously and suffers the same flaws making flash impossibly fast suffers from, it’s completely unrealistic to the point that it’s not even realistic within the comic rules. It’s also completely unnecessary as Batman in previous adaptions was never this dominant, he was just a very intelligent detective who was good at fighting and deployed stealth very often as a means to avoid fights he can’t win. Just look at the Batman animated series from the 90’s. That’s a more accurate representation of Batman than anything we’ve seen in comics for the last 20 years.
Nemesis comics are actually interesting. I like how the first comic series show Nemesis as some bored rich guy who decided to become a villain and cause chaos. Second being like Joker also makes him interesting.
I’d say I dislike the first comic for that very reason. He's such a shallow character whose actions are so horrid that you cannot justify what he did, no matter the kind of insanity he possesses. Not even the Joker would pull the type of crap he did. At least the one in the rebooted comic had tangible and believable motivations. Granted, it doesn’t justify what he did, but it’s easier to believe in the atrocities he's committing. It’s similar to the Joker, as you said.
@@WarpingFist Why is it so hard to believe that people commit evil for evil'sake. No motivation, no tragic story, nothing. I think if there's one thing that movies caused which is damaging the generation, it's thinking that Evil has a reason or logic behind it.
It's been a long time since I read Tower of Babel so I might be wrong but there's something you failed to mention, Batman's contingency plans were meant to be non-lethal, however the villains that stole his plans reconfigured them into the messed up torture traps instead.
I re-read Tower of Babel again due to your comment and I can't recall reading anything about Ra's tweaking the plans to be more lethal. In fact, there's sections of the comic which detail the contingency's and they're exactly the same as the ones we see inflicted on the league members. I believe the adaptation, 'Justice League Doom' is the story in which the plans are made to be more lethal and not the comic. Although, I may have missed something.
@@WarpingFist I haven't read the book in a really long time. I'm probably recalling the JL: Doom adaptation where Batman does state his main intentions before they were corrupted.
@@TONYGILLEY Yeah, I think that's the case. I thought The contingency's were tweaked before I read Babel just like in Doom, so I was surprised when I found out it wasn't the case.
Peploe after seeing batman endarging children by having an adolecend sidekick: he's good 🤓, he's just selfish if he was really good he would kill his enemies or criple them so that they don't hurt anibody, at this point the no kill rule doesn't even make sense, plus even if he was some mental thing why don't he just criplle his opponents? The no kill rule is Just so fan favorite villains can come back. Because he says or i can't lower myself to they level by killing them. Bro literary How Will you lower yourself to they level If you're preventing innocents from dying? Plus It doesn't make Sense why other heroes can't Just detrone ditactors?
Now Evil Superman gotten bored, then decided to make Evil Batman more...
Good
@@ohitsthatguy8079 When did they imply that it was a bad thing? The only reason you are specifying it's good is because you think it's common sense to think it's bad and your trying to subvert the consensus for attention
@@topcatfan why are u so upset lol
Hell yeah! The best evil batman I've read is definitely the Nemesis Reloaded series! I even heard rumors about a Nemesis movie in the works. I'll admit, I'm hyped!
We need a hero Joker.
You know looking back Nemesis looks like a white lantern version of Man
A fellow aslumer?
Nemesis legit pisses me off
"Is He stupid?"
Neme always wears that stupid stor armor, why is that? Is he stupid?
Thats what I was saying! Is he stupid?
Funny enough, Nemesis is tame regarding Mark Millar's trademark edginess. One of his earlier works, The Unfunnies, was so edgy and mean-spirited that Millar outright refuses to acknowledge it, regretting ever writing it.
Wow, now I want to know what happens in it.
@@WarpingFist its really not worth it bro. its not very good
@@ammonite0257 Oh, I see; based on the little I've seen, it's similar to Happy Tree Friends or something. I won't even bother.
@@WarpingFist think happy tree with out the good animation borderline malicious writing and sexual violence. It’s not a fun read
Its very lame and its ending comes out from nowhere
I know not everyone loves The Batman Who Laughs because isn't really complex. But I just his design and I love voicing that character it's so fun to do. Roger Creaige Smith is Voicing him in two video games and I think he's great!!!
One thing I’ll say is that The Batman Eho Laughs has a legendary design. Seriously whoever came up with it deserves some kind of grand prize.
id argue its why he got featured so much
With Laughs' design, it really does remind me a lot of Lord Of Darkness Undertaker, from late 90s WWE, with the attire he'd wear to the ring during his entrance.
Owlman and Ultraman will always be the best evil versions of their respective heroes because of how they perfectly mirror them and what they very well could’ve been under different circumstances
I think Justice Lord Batman was the closest to convincing him to turn evil, but he failed the test.
Batman wanted to see two things before he made a decision:
1.) what methods do they use?
2.) do they hold themselves to their own standards?
The Justice Lords failed both because they were willing to use extreme measures and because they didn't hold themselves to their own rules.
Batman who laughs is "batman wins with prep time" personified
And got really exposed as boring.
@@JoeChillton I don't know if you've read dark multiverse saga but I Loved those comics
Bro, he got overexposed so much
@@pizzeria_mayhem8736 wdym?
@@strongman5243 he got thrown into basically everything, that's why everyone dislikes him. It's not that he's an inherently bad character, is that he was shoved in everyone's faces like a dog who shit on the carpet.
A lot of people don't know Marvel did injustice first in the Squadron Supreme miniseries released in 1985.
16:15 Batman a Punisher ripoff 😅
I get creep out when you show Batman of Zur An Arhh
Why is man evil is he mean? Where’s jiggler
Map and Juggles have ceased... In place is The Map Hoo Cacks.
PROMETHEUS SUPREMACY RAAAGH hes my most underrated favorite DC villain bro needs more screen recognition but sadly we didnt get him in arkham knight which is a shame
Insane that they removed him from arkham knight. I’d literally sacrifice all the season of infamy side missions just to get his mission back.
@@WarpingFist same FR also as for nemesis I’d say reloaded nemesis is better cause it has a better story premise going on and is actually interesting as an evil Batman as opposed to the first comic which felt bland and edgy for the sake of being edgy
Night hawk from marvel deserves a mention
Moon Knight as well.
@@Ultriac301 yeah but night hawk is the true batman of marvel
18:31 Yeah, that sounds like a Mark Millar story.
The problem with making a character evil, overpowered or the best there is in your comic book universe is that people will want more and the characters attributes will get boring the longer they exist. What’s the next level for Superman after fans gets bored with the most overpowered Superman? The constant need to elevate, the more you have to come up with ingenious ways to portray the characters. It’s never ending as long as the characters exist. It’s best to start off slow and weak and work your way up through the years.
before i continue watching owl man, by far, he’s not even that he’s comically evil his nihilism is extremely dangerous
That monologue from The dark Knight especially because it's voiced by Peter Weller will always go hard as fuck
Batman creating Brother Eye, that's very Orwellian of him, and preparing secret contingency plans for all the League members, that sounds like secret shadow government type stuff you'd see in Deus Ex.
Batman is on the the very tip top of creating an Orwellian society if weren't for his darn human side keeping his actions in check.
@@WarpingFist At the end of the day, he is just an insane schizo, and it's he who should be very wary of and untrusting by his teammates, and should be kept on a 24/7 surveillance watch for any crazy shit he does, especially breaking his team's trust by making contingencies against them in secret, so that none of the esoteric shit he does remains in the shadows without his team's foreknowledge of it. That way, they can create their own countermeasures against his contingencies, and their own contingencies against him, with triple countermeasures against his own in case he is a few steps ahead. Or, basically, just straight up ban him from the League after finding this shit out, and betraying their trust.
This is a great moment to recommend the analog horror series "The Bat", by SILTRICS, here on TH-cam.
That version of Batman it´s so evil and tragic.
superman fans: now you know how we feel when there's too many evil supermen
The issue is that Superman has no evil counterpart written well at all. Batman has some that are pretty good. Owlman is goated, Prometheus is also underrated, wrath and scorn are also interesting, BWL is not for everyone, Failsafe is alright. Superman has no evil side half as interesting, they are all trash. Azrael is also interesting.
The issue is that they shouldn't become oversaturated in media.
except most evil batmen are well written, except the edgy ones.
@@WarpingFist "except the edgy ones"
looking at you Batman Who Laughs
@@WarpingFist nemesis was pretty good for me personally. It may not be for everyone but i enjoyed it. Edginess should be a section of comics for people who enjoy it and not rampant in comics.
Owlman is an Interesting Character to me.
And he Captures Batman as a Warped Version of himself Pretty well!
My understanding is that in the comic Russian Batman did give them time to evacuate but the movie didn't include that part.
18:30 bruh 💀
Batman literally hanged a criminal from the bat plain!!!!!!
yo warping thanks for the batman content I love it
@10:10. I watched justice league unlimited so many times. Why is this the first time I noticed that Scarface was lobotomized? 😂
How about "When Spider-Man Turns Evil"? like when Spidey becomes Venom if he kept the Venom symbiote or when he becomes Spider-Carnage. make a video about that!
I wonder how difficult it'll be to translated every evil version of Batman into Animation mainly the Grim Knight and The Batman who Laughs.
Owlman is my favorite evil Batman
An evil Batman would be scary as heck!
I hate evil Batman as much as I hate evil Superman, which is to say a lot. Let the characters just be the characters!
Superman fans: oh boo hoo, hurts doesn't it?
😂😂😂😂 Not because Batman's evil counterparts are actually interesting.
@@Rengokuo4o6 yeah, the walking plot armor Mary sue man who looks like he likes the mouth of Sauron is interesting and is not boring and op at all.
@@koushikraja331 😂😂😂😂 cry more bro but it's just the facts. Some of Batman's evil counterparts are actually pretty interesting like Owlman and Prometheus is an underrated villian. There is no evil Superman in DC comics that is half as interesting. The issue is that they shouldn't oversaturate comics with that stuff. So boo hoo doesn't really work here.🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I might be wring but wasn't the contingency olans in tower of babel made more extreme and violent by ra's al ghul?
In Justice League Doom yeah but I must remember if it's the same in the comic. Some sections of the comic show diagrams of Batman's data on the Justice League and the countermeasures he's thought up, and basically, all of them are what you see inflicted onto the Justice League. So I don't believe Ra's made them more messed up in Tower of Babel. At least, that's what I recall.
Any man that goes around beating up mentally ill people and uses his money to do it with gadgets and stuff is crazy
Evil batman seems as dumb as evil superman because it feels like an excuse for heros to fight eachother for powerscaling reasons. Seeing a evil batman doesnt work because he faced trauma and why woukd a victim of trauma inflcited that same trauma onto others
It is actually really common for people with trauma to wind up inflicting that same trauma onto others.
Batman who laughs is such a cringy attempt to be edgy.
Owl man is the best
Superheroes turning evil and going rogue is so boring. Just let heroes be heroes why is that so hard?
Because they think it's cool and Edgy.
@@miguelgarcia6170 It's not cool and edgy it's boring. Get the edgelords out of the writers room.
And save the people from DC North korea for instance, and don't come with the bulsh## excuse of or these places are cursed by an evil being 🤓 This excuse only apries to post crises plus i'm pretty sure Superman could kill these evil BEINGS PLUS MAGICS COULD EXPULSE THEM. and why don't Batman Just pay the passages for the people of Gotham to forsake Gotham i'm pretty sure most of them would agree to leave. and a multi-billionare could pay the passages of 1M people.
What?
Why is man using guns for is he dealing with a midlife crisis.
he's just an average gun enthusiast
Since Edgelords ruin everything
God the Zurr En Arr bit is so great. I was scared. "Oh man what is THAT batman."
Either the cheesiest alien you seen…or the dark side of Batman
I love your videos but I cant help but feel that you didn't go as in depth, with the variations of ''Evil Batman'', especially Nemesis.
Superhero: exist
Batman: IT’S SEIZURE TIME
Batman always trying to figure out how to make your life a living hell.
@@WarpingFistwhat other actors were considered for Dark Knight before settling on Christian Bale?
Probably some handsome white guy
@@WarpingFist American actor?
Some British people were in there. I believe Henry Cavill was one of them I think.
10:24
Diana looks borderline flabbergasted
My 2 favorite evil Batman's is Owlman and Flashpoint Batman. Out of all Evil Batmen Owlman is his own person and when talkin about blowin up prime earth to destroy the multi verse proves he's better than any other evil batman including the Batman who laugh who killed in the comics. It doesn't matter nothin matters cause another version of him will pick another choice.
Batman is so paranoid that he doesn't even trust himself.
No ties to cosmic beings? Besides Bat Mite, plot armor has his back
Owlman deserves an full on animated series... exploring more of the trauma of the character and giving him unique people to fight against but hey I'm looking forward to caped crusader in August all of the episodes drop at once. 👍
It doesn't matter. Nothin matters. After all I'm only human.
No it doesn't make you evil
The way they present Batman in comics as borderline unstoppable because he’s just soooo smart and soooo skilled honestly makes no goddamn sense and has never made any sense. Shit is impossible to take seriously and suffers the same flaws making flash impossibly fast suffers from, it’s completely unrealistic to the point that it’s not even realistic within the comic rules. It’s also completely unnecessary as Batman in previous adaptions was never this dominant, he was just a very intelligent detective who was good at fighting and deployed stealth very often as a means to avoid fights he can’t win. Just look at the Batman animated series from the 90’s. That’s a more accurate representation of Batman than anything we’ve seen in comics for the last 20 years.
Grim Knight sounds like he's basically Punisher but with Batman's intelligence and resources. Which is terrifying if you think about it.
Owlman deserves an full on animated series... but hey I'm looking forward to caped crusader in August all of the episodes drop at once. 👍
Has Dick ever had an evil Batman? Only time I can think that he put on the cowl Bruce thought he was doing a fine job.
Batman isn’t dangerous at all. Characters just don’t use their powers when they fight him.
Damn so early
I hate how they turned the alien Batman into another murder Batman. They need to bring back the og.
I guess when it came to him, that was the only way they could explain his existence when you try to canonize the older comics.
I liked the old thumbnail more
A did a poll and 95% of people prefer this one
Nemesis comics are actually interesting. I like how the first comic series show Nemesis as some bored rich guy who decided to become a villain and cause chaos. Second being like Joker also makes him interesting.
I’d say I dislike the first comic for that very reason. He's such a shallow character whose actions are so horrid that you cannot justify what he did, no matter the kind of insanity he possesses. Not even the Joker would pull the type of crap he did. At least the one in the rebooted comic had tangible and believable motivations. Granted, it doesn’t justify what he did, but it’s easier to believe in the atrocities he's committing. It’s similar to the Joker, as you said.
@@WarpingFist Why is it so hard to believe that people commit evil for evil'sake. No motivation, no tragic story, nothing.
I think if there's one thing that movies caused which is damaging the generation, it's thinking that Evil has a reason or logic behind it.
Those ARGs are trash
It's been a long time since I read Tower of Babel so I might be wrong but there's something you failed to mention, Batman's contingency plans were meant to be non-lethal, however the villains that stole his plans reconfigured them into the messed up torture traps instead.
I re-read Tower of Babel again due to your comment and I can't recall reading anything about Ra's tweaking the plans to be more lethal. In fact, there's sections of the comic which detail the contingency's and they're exactly the same as the ones we see inflicted on the league members. I believe the adaptation, 'Justice League Doom' is the story in which the plans are made to be more lethal and not the comic. Although, I may have missed something.
@@WarpingFist I haven't read the book in a really long time. I'm probably recalling the JL: Doom adaptation where Batman does state his main intentions before they were corrupted.
@@TONYGILLEY Yeah, I think that's the case. I thought The contingency's were tweaked before I read Babel just like in Doom, so I was surprised when I found out it wasn't the case.
Peploe after seeing batman endarging children by having an adolecend sidekick: he's good 🤓, he's just selfish if he was really good he would kill his enemies or criple them so that they don't hurt anibody, at this point the no kill rule doesn't even make sense, plus even if he was some mental thing why don't he just criplle his opponents?
The no kill rule is Just so fan favorite villains can come back. Because he says or i can't lower myself to they level by killing them. Bro literary How Will you lower yourself to they level If you're preventing innocents from dying? Plus It doesn't make Sense why other heroes can't Just detrone ditactors?
A marvel sponsor on a batman video gave me whiplash
Could you do rise of the guardians concept art one day?