Makes you wonder if it was planned for all tracks to be rearranged but they ran out of time/money and therefore left many of these early drafts in the final game (the boss theme being the most notorious)
this honestly makes a lot of sense. im guessing they had to rush the game out for whatever reason and didnt have time to rearrange the later zones, boss themes, hub theme etc. it’d definitely explain why the soundtrack suddenly changes styles every 2 seconds
Some of the tracks weren't finalized before the day-one patch, so yeah, they didn't take time to finish the music. Like always, Sega and their deadlines, they don't let their people have time to do quality products.
The songs don't seem early at all (at least to me), I think they sound early because of Jun being the lead sound designer, and many other music artists who composed and arranged for this game were just collaborators. I'm pretty sure the songs were already finished, but most arranged by Jun.
@@BombasticTom492 They're all complete. You can even look up the beta OSTS. The thing is that the game's music was supposed to have a mixture of all styles of Classic Sonic, including styles that mimic the genesis and Sega CD era.
I'm glad to see that Sonic 4 somehow manages to live on. Seriously though, while the final version is definitely better objectively-speaking, there's something I like about the (what I like to call) "psuedo-Genesis" style of 4's instrumentation.
@@MisterSandmanAU see the thing is that, back then, he composed the music using his normal toolset and instruments and conversion for the Genesis chip was someone else’s job When we heard full versions of his 3D blast tracks in Adventure it sure didn’t sound anything like what his modern “Genesis” music sounds like I genuinely just don’t think the dude has a good handle on how to use that chip to make music like Genesis games actually had, because back when he was making music for the ACTUAL genesis he wasn’t approaching it as *music for a limited chip* he was approaching it the same way he would any other music he’d make
@@azuraracon6406 he's credited for his genesis arrangements, he also did some of maeda's 3d blast arrangements. idk where that misconception comes from, because he himself wanted to use a YM2612 for STH4, which i doubt he would ask for if he didn't have experience. instead he has to put up with vsts in pro tools. i'm positive if you gave him a genesis tracker, he'd actaully be able to make some bangers.
interesting find! i wonder what this means about the final soundtrack we got honestly. were the senoue tracks that we got meant to be arranged as well?
The one we got in the final game is no doubt a better piece, but I find myself enjoying this one more. Really wish we could’ve heard Act 2 in the Sonic 4 soundfont.
@@Leo_D_Vinci I don't believe that one was ever Genesis styled, but the instrumentation on the mini boss theme is still pretty weak. What's crazy to me is that some of the songs in the game are pretty horrible, but them some of them are amazing imo. Lagoon City Zone Act 1 and 2, and Act Amy are all great. I also love Golden Capital Zone Act 2. The only Jun Senoue tracks that I think are good are Sky Temple Zone (at least I think it's Senoue) and then Bridge Island (after someone else rearranged it lol)
It'd be funny if this is evidence that some themes will get updated once the game launches for real. (The credits theme uses this version of the track, for instance.)
..makes me wonder if a day 1 patch is gonna replace the others? The inconsistency is really weird. If not I'm going through and making new drum tracks for the Jun songs assuming noone else does it first.
Are you saying this is the "Sonic Orion" version of the track just to use the prototype name or did Superstars really have a different vision during development?
This is probavly one if the best sonic 4-esque songs I've heard. I can see why this was changed though, I nean this sounds no different to the music in sobic 4 and that would've clashed with what superstars is trying to do like sone of tbe sonic 4 esque tracks that ARE in the final game. I don't knkw what jun likes about the sonkc 1/2 snare so much, it makes the music sound cheap to me.
@@ABlob This version definitely does sound a bit melancholy to be honest, like an ending or something you'd hear in the credits, or a cutscene in Sonic 4
@@ApexAgesCA Who cares? Jun's tracks slap hard! I love the Sega Genesis style sound font, and how he uses those drum samples! Definitely a step up from Sonic 4 Episode 1!
![[16-Bit;Genesis]Bridge Island Zone Act 2 - Sonic Superstars](/img/n.gif)
Makes you wonder if it was planned for all tracks to be rearranged but they ran out of time/money and therefore left many of these early drafts in the final game (the boss theme being the most notorious)
this honestly makes a lot of sense. im guessing they had to rush the game out for whatever reason and didnt have time to rearrange the later zones, boss themes, hub theme etc. it’d definitely explain why the soundtrack suddenly changes styles every 2 seconds
Some of the tracks weren't finalized before the day-one patch, so yeah, they didn't take time to finish the music. Like always, Sega and their deadlines, they don't let their people have time to do quality products.
The songs don't seem early at all (at least to me), I think they sound early because of Jun being the lead sound designer, and many other music artists who composed and arranged for this game were just collaborators. I'm pretty sure the songs were already finished, but most arranged by Jun.
We won't be 100% sure until the official OST drops though
@@BombasticTom492 They're all complete. You can even look up the beta OSTS. The thing is that the game's music was supposed to have a mixture of all styles of Classic Sonic, including styles that mimic the genesis and Sega CD era.
This actually sounds pretty neat imo
I like the more calm feeling jun decided on in this version
I'm glad to see that Sonic 4 somehow manages to live on.
Seriously though, while the final version is definitely better objectively-speaking, there's something I like about the (what I like to call) "psuedo-Genesis" style of 4's instrumentation.
Bad taste smh
@@ssg-eggunner Simply a case of different strokes for different folks. I enjoy using the Sonic 4 soundfont for some of my own remixes, heheh.
@@cheesy713 blah blah blah
@@cheesy713right? It's fun when used well, like here! Glad to see someone else appreciates it
I like calling it "Neo Megadrive" style personally
Honestly kinda have to give props to Senoue on this one; this is probably the closest he’s come to legitimate “genesis” sounding-music
aside from the music he composed and arranged for both sonic 3 as well as 3d blast
@@MisterSandmanAU see the thing is that, back then, he composed the music using his normal toolset and instruments and conversion for the Genesis chip was someone else’s job
When we heard full versions of his 3D blast tracks in Adventure it sure didn’t sound anything like what his modern “Genesis” music sounds like
I genuinely just don’t think the dude has a good handle on how to use that chip to make music like Genesis games actually had, because back when he was making music for the ACTUAL genesis he wasn’t approaching it as *music for a limited chip* he was approaching it the same way he would any other music he’d make
@@azuraracon6406 he's credited for his genesis arrangements, he also did some of maeda's 3d blast arrangements. idk where that misconception comes from, because he himself wanted to use a YM2612 for STH4, which i doubt he would ask for if he didn't have experience. instead he has to put up with vsts in pro tools. i'm positive if you gave him a genesis tracker, he'd actaully be able to make some bangers.
Pretty much what you'd expect from Jun but since it's a demo it's just okay lol, interesting to hear some development lore in regards to the game
interesting find! i wonder what this means about the final soundtrack we got honestly. were the senoue tracks that we got meant to be arranged as well?
Sounds good ngl
nah its awful
0:34 Sorry but this part is very beautiful 🥺💖💖💖
Such bangers.
The world is healing
You could trick a lot of people into making them think that this is some unused song from a prototype of the cancelled Sonic 4 ep.3
Maybe the real episode 3 was the superstars...
We are the Sonic 4
*INSERT SUPERSTARS THEME SONG*
@@DeizaMando**Insert Special Stage (Episode 2)**
More like, Sonic 4: Episode CD
I appreciate it.
This just proves the Sonic 4 style synth can work, it was just horribly butchered in 4
And in Origins, too.
Strange, isn’t it?
nah, it still sounds fucking terrible
@@TheExFatalnot bad as sonic 4 but this shit still horrid yeah
@@SyntaxTsundere Except Vs Metal Sonic.
This is still way worse than the final game
Definitely upload the others!
The one we got in the final game is no doubt a better piece, but I find myself enjoying this one more. Really wish we could’ve heard Act 2 in the Sonic 4 soundfont.
why
Because it's a good piece. @@bluerious5475
@@bluerious5475 I can't speak for OP, but for my money I quite enjoy the Sonic 1/2 snare drum.
The fans would riot if that happened
Gives me hope for the boss themes being rearranged in the final game! In the case that this is real, of course.
They are not, but the horrible genesis style boss theme only plays for a few bosses
@@Roosader Yeah I saw... I do feel like the miniboss theme has been changed just a tiny bit different, but that's probably just me.
@@Leo_D_Vinci I don't believe that one was ever Genesis styled, but the instrumentation on the mini boss theme is still pretty weak. What's crazy to me is that some of the songs in the game are pretty horrible, but them some of them are amazing imo. Lagoon City Zone Act 1 and 2, and Act Amy are all great. I also love Golden Capital Zone Act 2. The only Jun Senoue tracks that I think are good are Sky Temple Zone (at least I think it's Senoue) and then Bridge Island (after someone else rearranged it lol)
It'd be funny if this is evidence that some themes will get updated once the game launches for real. (The credits theme uses this version of the track, for instance.)
I like this one! Post more of this!
this sounds alright compared to the other stuff he composed that got in.
Because of the similar name and title, Sonic Superstars probably was in development at the same time or after sonic origins
I still don't know why they decided to name the beta "Sonic Orion" 💀
Probably as a "sequel" to Origins and also after the Orion constellation, since the islands featured in the game is a small archipelago!
@@MasteredRealmit's most likely a placeholder name since sonic superstars probably started development around or after sonic origins
apparently a similar version is heard in the staff roll
..makes me wonder if a day 1 patch is gonna replace the others? The inconsistency is really weird. If not I'm going through and making new drum tracks for the Jun songs assuming noone else does it first.
hopefully, it would make sense anyway, because those copies weren't even supposed to be released
@@TouchcreatorYT pain
Glad Sonic 4 lives on 🙏
Are you saying this is the "Sonic Orion" version of the track just to use the prototype name or did Superstars really have a different vision during development?
SONIC ONION!!!!
This was used in the credits melody
My ears!!!
He somehow made the sonic 4 style work. took him long enough
He reaaaally wanted it to work
it worked in Episode 2
Sonic 4s soundtrack was underutilised
This is probavly one if the best sonic 4-esque songs I've heard.
I can see why this was changed though, I nean this sounds no different to the music in sobic 4 and that would've clashed with what superstars is trying to do like sone of tbe sonic 4 esque tracks that ARE in the final game.
I don't knkw what jun likes about the sonkc 1/2 snare so much, it makes the music sound cheap to me.
Honestly sounds like a redone sylvania castle
Act 4
Sonic 4: Episode 3: Superstars
did they really have to name it “Sonic Orions”?
it was just the codename, afterall
Not the worst beta name though
How did you dump them? They're encrypted, even foobar2000 can't play them
Update your vgmstream, the latest build can play them
The rip had been uploaded to vgm.hcs64.com and the fb2k plugin was updated when it dropped there.
Makes me sad
I just have one question
What is Sonic Orion?
it was the codename for sonic superstars
The comment section is just fucking sad
My brother in Christ, there are only 28 comments. You can do something about it.
Who let Jun cook?
IDK but this shit is bussin
oh.
oh this is. um. it sure is the demo jun senoue composed/arranged!
sonic orion?
It's the prototype name of Sonic Superstars
the hell is "sonic orion"
The original name for the game before it was changed to Sonic Superstars
@@acethehedge449ok
Why are his synths always so low-pitched?
Cause it sounds better
@@TakenUsernameAuradium I think it sounds more depressing like this. ^^'
@@ABlob This version definitely does sound a bit melancholy to be honest, like an ending or something you'd hear in the credits, or a cutscene in Sonic 4
@@ABlob you're right. I mean when I first heard it, I thought it could've been raised an octave higher, but some parts might've sounded a bit weird
Is it just me, or does this version sound weirdly... sad. Doesn't fit the first level at all.
This is way better than the final version and way cleaner too
you don't know what you are asking for... those sonic 2 drums would be the entire game without tee lopes
@@ApexAgesCA i'm just saying this version of this song is cleaner the new version has too many things going on
@@ApexAgesCA Who cares? Jun's tracks slap hard! I love the Sega Genesis style sound font, and how he uses those drum samples! Definitely a step up from Sonic 4 Episode 1!
@VoiceParodies this game is 60 dollars and jun's compositions are barely a step up from 4
Cleaner? Yes. Better? No.
😬
Glad they replaced it, the synth drums are extremely distracting,
The drums aren't actually synths, they are just sampled from sonic 1. (Which itself was sampled from another thing.)
Can you guys stop calling anything you don't like synths
the drums aren't even bad it's just too loud here
@@PikaNoobYTthey suck
@@VirtuousAezonYeah it's so silly
Spoiler: Sonic dies in Sonic Superstars
💀
I love Superstars, such a fun game. The best character is definitely
My ears are bleeding.
@rightangle4748 Yeah, they should have let somebody with more skill work on this.
doesn't even sound that bad 💀
@@TouchcreatorYT It certainly doesn't sound $60 good.
@@TheRealPatete well it got changed
@@TouchcreatorYT I'm replying to you saying it's not that bad.