Is 1650fps possible with the Gamo Swarm Magnum 10X Gen 3i without alloy pellets?
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The chase for 1650fps continues... with GUNPOWDER!!! Check out my air rifle playlist for all the videos leading up to this one. Gamo claims 1650 fps with the .177 Swarm Mag but attempts so far have been pretty far off. I know they use super light alloy pellets but all those I've tried are trash. Can it shoot that fast with lead pellets? Let's find out!
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I have used starting fluid to diesel my pellet rifle. Another trick that works is to cut the head off a paper match and seat it in the base of your pellet. Good old conventional SAE 30W motor oil works as well. Which works the best is something I am not certain of. In a situation where you needed to be able to reload rapidly, it would be whatever you can pre load your pellets with that is sticky enough to stay in while you handle them in qui
ck succession. Wheel bearing grease would make sense in theory.
@grantloop9221 Yeah man. Anything combustible will do it.
I lathered Crosman 'Break-Barrel Oil' to the piston of a modded Crosman pellet rifle (.22), and not only did it kick like a .22 LR, it lit up like a rimfire. My chrono indicated 2230 fps. I still don't think it's even possible, but my second shot was 2103 fps & extremely loud, my 3rd 1149fps, and it settled around 900+ fps after that & it stopped breaking the sound barrier. It's possible the chrono was reading some of the ignited oil, I have no idea. If I were reading this I'd say it's impossible to get that kind of velocity from a 14.66 H&N rounded-tip pellet out of a Crosman F11 - but that's exactly what the chrono read. I was experimenting with a custom nitrogen ram & a piston from a Benjamin break-barrel that claimed 1200 fps or so. I did not like dieseling, not only because of the noise, but the rifle simply wasn't made for this type of thing. There's only so much flame I'm comfy with seeing come out the barrel of a rifle that stock got 420fps.
@NunchucksHabit I guess it is possible with a significant amount of that oil contained within. And I agree, definitely not something one should try to do very many times I am sure.
your reading on the chrono was probably correct. The difference is that you put oil on the piston which is inside the compression chamber, and thereby getting a huge amount of compression when the oil ignited. As opposed to putting a little drop of oil on the piston skirt, and the combustion happening in the barrel instead of inside the compression chamber.
@@trevorjameson3213 The piston was a much tighter fit, but it did slide ok. I went from whatever ram it came with, to a 60kg gas ram, then both a shorter but 70kg ram and a much shorter piston. It cocked much farther, but what a slam! I bored the intake port slightly, but something tells me I could take at least another 3mm out of it & it would still climb. It's been a pretty cool project but I think it's cheaper to get a good performing break barrel to begin with. Canadian laws are pretty silly but once you get to the sound barrier with a .22 pellet rifle, it's time to expand your horizons.
What about a pellet, gunpowder and then a second pellet ? The first petlet ignites the powder, the powder propels the second pallet.
@pa4tim Definitely something worth trying!
Use Baby oil...works every time. Dieseling doesn't make the gun explode 😅 you're just trapping all the air behind the pellet...
No that's not how dieseling works. Oil ignites under pressure, that's how a diesel.engine works, it compresses the diesel and it ignites. So when you put petroleum product in the pellet skirt, it actually combusts and accelerates the pellet down the barrel.
Johnsons baby oil?
use a faster burning powder and see if you get different readings.
Put the powder in the skirt and then seal it in there with the vapo rub.
Cool test always fun too experiment lol. Your right about manufacturers inflating numbers on velocity. Found that out a long time ago with bows and ibo speeds and its the same with inflated velocity numbers on ammo boxes. Been handloading for my rifles for 30 yrs and I am usually above book max load to reach the velocity they print. Alot of guys will be really let down if they actually would shoot their bows, rifles , xbows through a chrono basing off what the companies put in print lol. Just found your channel when searching for information on the gamo arrow pcp. Are you still liking it? Hope it didnt fall apart on you because I just ordered one today. First air rifle I ever bought besides the ol multi pump guns I had back when I was a kid. Figured be better to shoot it for fun and save my ammo and reloading components since the prices have got so stupid high! Anyhow you got a new subscriber keep on makin videos and experimentin. Take care
@davidswint9238 Yes. Everything you said I agree with completely. It’s just marketing.
Yeah man… still really liking the Arrow. Very fun air rifle to shoot. Feels good. Accurate. Great budget friendly pcp. I hope you like yours.
Try dieseling using Nitro fuel for model aircraft engines and see how that works out
Maybe the vapo rubs moisture content rendered the powder inert. I’d like to see a shot with the tiniest drop of something flammable, like alcohol or gas, in the back of the pellet and sealed in with vapo rub.
@marcusbuskill4672 Great point. That very well may be what was happening. The gas and vapor rub is a good idea. Those skirts are so shallow though it would be tedious. That’s challenge accepted though! I’m gonna play around with that.
"I am a professional idiot", me too!👍btw, what is better, dieseling or gun powder?
@Ezekiel903 Did you not watch the video!?!?!?
@@HuntShootLive yes sorry, missed the last 30 seconds. But if I would fill a hollow point with gun powder would it ignite?
@Ezekiel903 If filled from the front of the pellet in the hollow of the "hollow point", I would imagine that would not do anything. The combustion is not reaching the front of the pellet.
How about real diesel ⛽️
@SandeepKumar-gz7hl I believe I will try gasoline or diesel next. Gasoline is more combustible so I’ll probably do that.
@@HuntShootLive i tried diesel in my break barrel I'm not sure about the vilocity reading i don't have a chronograph but i can tell that 18 grain pellet was devastating and if you shoot the air rifle after evening when it's dark the flame coming out of the muzzle is scary I'm not sure with gamo magnum because it has suppressor at the end
@@Double-xposure I’m gonna have to give it a try.
Give the people what they want !!!!! We want 1800fps and a 2’ flame coming out of that barrel!
@@mbuskilla Haha! Yeah me too. I’m gonna borrow a lab radar before I try that. Hopefully it will pick up the pellets better than my magneto speed.
Gamo lethal does 1550 stock no diesel
@dironizareyes596 I see those are 5.6 grain so I’m sure that’s very likely. Do they group well for you? That’s getting down to pba weight with that polymer skirt and only have a steel domed tip.
Just from research as of now ive only shot daisy hollow 7.6gn i believe, but i wanna try slugs in this. i bet they should shoot well but i havent tried nor research that yet. Got my gamo magnum cause of you lol. You really mag dumped into those doors quick. You looked like chuck connor from the rifleman lol. do a video on the quickiest way u shoot that gamo break barrel and do another vid on gamo lethal and 1/2 pine wood at 25/50/75 yds@@HuntShootLive
@dironizareyes596 Haha! I suppose looking like Chuck is a good thing, right!?! I definitely don't have his hair though.
Those are some good video ideas. I may have to try some of those. Thank you!
When people say this tears guns up is it just an excessive back pressure? I feel like you could do this all day everyday and wouldn’t matter
@WeldonAutomotive Seems like internet tales based on opinion. I have asked on people's comments for them to give me an actual example of dieseling damaging their air rifle from first hand or from someone they know personally. I have yet to be given an example.
It won't hurt the gun if you're just dieseling it with oil in the pellet skirt. The combustion is taking place in the barrel. But if you put oil into the compression tube, then combustion will take place in the compression tube and it's going to produce a LOT more pressure and possibly damage the piston seal. But who cares really, because piston seals are very easy to replace. I've tried it both ways, and it's more realistic and useful to diesel the pellets only, and you'll get a moderate increase in power and noise. I use this method for my old Chinese B1 break barrel because in stock form it only produces about 450fps. When dieseling the pellets it does around 510fps which is better. Dieseling the compression chamber gave around 800fps and a huge amount of noise and vibration. It also tore up the cheap piston seal but I replaced it (it was made of leather).
Hi, a quick question about pellets.
I'm getting new Gamo Swarm Magnum(5.5) soon, and the store Il buy it from here in Europe states on their website that the velocity is 280m/s, not the regular stated 380 m/s as stated on the Gamo official website.
Their explanation is that regular 380m/s is max potential speed of rifle when aluminium pellets are used, however here in Europe, lead pellets are often prioritised rather than aluminium ones, so the velocity is lacking because of the heavier pellets.
I'm wondering whether this is true, or is this some knockoff?
Thank you.
@regzzuse280 They are correct. That is the problem in advertising I address in this video. They advertised speed is always with the absolute lightest pellet available. I cannot get the light pellets to shoot well or load correctly so I definitely prefer lead pellets. They are slower because they are heavier but still fast enough to effectively take small game at 20-30 yards no problem.
@@HuntShootLive
Thank you.
I got a lot better speeds using these "boutique" 9.7gr (5.5mm/.22cal) pellets I got on Amazon. I was heavily into modding my Canadian version of a Crosman & got the velocity I was seeking with standard 'Crosman Premier Hollow Point' .22 pellets. That said, reviewers like @HuntShootLive will attest that most FPS claims are exaggerated & even with alloy pellets, you're likely to see (% is my opinion only:) 70% - 75% of the claim. Gamo makes really powerful break-barrels, some that claim 1400fps in a .22.
I like to keep my velocities subsonic, but I''m curious if you got the Gamo Magnum yet? if you're using standard ~14gr pellets, I doubt you're hearing a supersonic crack, right? Any chrono numbers you'd like to share? I'd love to get consistently 900-1000fps, so I assume I should look for a 5.5mm that claims 1260fps or even more. I can always get a heavier pellet I suppose, to keep it subsonic...
@@NunchucksHabit I’ve done tons of chrono vids dieseling with various components. Don’t recall the numbers right off.
Try using alloy pellet they are extremely light
@THISISNOTME9 I don't want to use alloy pellets. They are not accurate, they are too light to maintain energy to kill an animal at any reasonable range, and I have struggled to even get them to load properly.
K-Boom
@Hereford1020 Haha! Thankfully the k-boom wasn't so big!
Mix thevaperu with the powder
@jerrymiranda9398 May be a good idea!
How about some C 4!?
You are going to eventually fuck up your seals, Good luck with that on your $300 rifle
@@harrybalsak916 People say this happens but not a single person can tell me they have had it happen to them or personally know someone it happened to. Many others post videos doing this with no problem. I’ve done it hundreds of times with no problems. Either way, it is my air rifle and I will do with it as I choose. As you will with yours.
Try it at your own risk wise advice
@hubertrobinson8825 Well, you never know what people may try. The amount I was using barely causes a smoke plume. It’s less than a 22 short would be loaded with. Just under 1/4th of a 22 short actually. But obviously, if you funneled powder into the cylinder with reckless abandon then problems may be encountered.
@@HuntShootLive hey in high school science class a guy showed us how to make black powder he forgot the tell me try at my own risk well I did a little bigger than his just a mite bigger according to my generous calculations the out come was a little blown apart in the lab the principal wasn't really impressed you can figure out the results I still like making things blown apart
@@hubertrobinson8825 Haha! Sounds like my kind of science class.
Yikes! You need to take up golf or something… 😊
@@johnbrodnik839 Not exciting enough. But you can drink while you golf so I suppose it can be a little exciting.
You have a week gun...mine will hit 1500 fps/ hobby/ weak/
@johndoee3850 This is the first time I have had that comment. Most say my readings are faster than they have got. What pellets are you using? Is the 1500 reading when dieseled? What were you using to chronograph with?
@@HuntShootLive Hobby/RWS. ..Call GAMO .
@@johndoee3850 I see rws and hobby have pellets 7 grain and lighter. That obviously makes a difference as going from 7.9 down to 7.4 gained me about 150 fps in this video. Are you dieseling yours to reach 1500? What chronograph are you using?
@HuntShootLive RWS also have a 5 grain pellet/ hyper pointed/it 9 grain in 22cal/.They shoot good/ I have purchased over 125 air rifles/ senior. I do not disel.Let us keep in touch...
@johndoee3850 I could see the 5 grain pellets going that fast for sure. That is down to what they are using with the alloy. I try to shy away from the super light pellets.
The 22 cal. I chronographed averaged around 900 fps I believe. They advertise something like 1200 fps but again, that is with stupid light alloy pellets. Even in that 22 I couldn't get them to cycle correction much less group well.