The Norton Commando 961 and Huge Value Differences Between Countries
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 25 มี.ค. 2024
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0:00: A Harley Davidson Sportster, a Honda Shadow Kawasaki Vulcan, Suzuki Volusia
7:03: The Fear of Biking (Royal Enfield Classic 350)
10:10: The Benelli Tre-K
12:23: Knowing Something’s Worth (Royal Enfield Interceptor and Royal Enfield Continental GT 650)
17:00: A Dream Garage (Triumph T120, Moto Guzzi V85TT, Husqvarna Svartpilen 701
21:26: Bike of the Week (Norton Commando 961) - ยานยนต์และพาหนะ
Buying a Suzuki Volusia when you really want a Harley is like dating a girl called Arthur.
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Unless you want to pay for having a high maintenance super model girlfriend.
I'd rather have a hot no name one owner girl.
Oh absolutely...but not one previously known as Arthur...@@frankmorris2603
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I haven't ridden for 35 years, my last bike was a Yamaha rd400 and I cannot believe how much bigger bikes are these days. Got the itch in 21 and had decided (after reading many reviews) on an xsr700. Having viewed a second hand bike I decided against it as it just looked messy to me with a mis match of bits and pieces and various shapes which did not flow stuck into a frame. After considering many other bikes I drew a blank. A week ago, I was walking past my local motorrad dealer and amongst the second hand bike line up there it was, my lightbulb moment......a KTM 690 Duke. 2017 5k on the clock and near immaculate for £3990. After a good read of the reviews and prices I was sold on it, good looking, sounds fabulous and apparently a dream to ride. With no hesitation and no test ride that bike is now sat in my garage!. Unfortunately its hoofing it down with rain and will be for days to come so a ride (somewhat apprehensive about that) will have to wait. Funny thing is that a KTM was probably the last bike on my wish list but here we are. I call it my big orange life re-set button!
If someone has so much fear or anxiety about riding and looking for any excuse not to ride I think it would be a good idea to think long and hard on whether this is a hobby for you. A heathy amount of fear of riding is not a bad thing since it keeps your awareness high and risk taking under control however there comes a point when fear can put you in danger if it is all consuming. Is it possible you like the idea of being a biker but when it comes down to it you don’t like actually riding. I hope the listener is able to deal with the fear and learns to enjoy the riding but if not then he makes the right decision and stays safe.
It sounds like the owner could use a confidence building training course, with experienced riders suggesting what they are doing incorrectly. Or just find a quiet back road and practice at sub-30mph speeds. Play and have fun with the bikes, and not see the ride as wild animal waiting to bite back.
@@borderlands6606 I did this when I passed my full test in UK. My confidence was still not great so I'd go out early Sunday morning ( 7am) to a empty sport centre carpark and ride around then go out for a little ride as roads totally empty, then as my confidence grew go out later when it was busier until I got to a point where I was happy no matter how busy the road.
Agree, riding in constant fear it´s very dangerous and must be very stressful. Find another hobby.
Freddie! The Sportster advice was spot on! The Classic 350 owner needs to find a friend who enjoys a slow ride. I wish I knew what part of the Eastern US they live in. I live in the best area to ride in the entire country. Western North Carolina. The Blue Ridge Parkway is amazing with a maximum speed limit of 45 mph.
Yes, they should go riding with a friend. But also, have they done a training course? If they're not confident to ride more than 10 miles, how did they get a licence?
FEAR = False Emotion Appearing Real.
Getting a metric cruiser for cheap and stripping the excess weight and converting to bobber or chopper is a good goal if you're a bit handy.
My second bike was a Kawasaki Vulcan (VN900) Classic and it should have been my first. The weight low down, fueling spot on and so easy to ride. I may end up buying another…or the RE Super Meteor 650! After moving on to larger cruisers, I’m seriously considering a downsize. Hope you get over the bug, Freddie!
Thank you for publishing my story and for telling me what I needed to hear Freddie, it's an honor to be on the podcast.
I ended up hitting a cone on the very last exercise of mod 1 today after a perfect run, but I'll get it next time around.
The search for the Harley is just slightly delayed!
Davide
P.s.
Small correction: I'm 36, not 32 😜
*Wait. You hit one cone and have to retake the test?*
@@hulkhatepunybanner yeah, it's a major fail
@@Uncle_Tijikun *Inconceivable.*
@@hulkhatepunybanner yeah it's really strict unfortunately. Had I been given a second go I would've had my mod1 by now
@@Uncle_Tijikun *Do you mean there's more tests?* I did one course over two days. We didn't realize the last practice run was the test. Everyone passed.
Lots of excellent advice there Freddie.
Buy the bike of your dreams, not the bike 'nearly' of your dreams, because the 'nearly' bike will never cut it and you WILL end up buying the bike of your dreams having wasted money and time on the 'nearly' bike'.
And - fear - JUST DO IT! Most of the best experiences of my life have been contemplated with an element of fear. I used to fly aerobatics in small aeroplanes and by crikey if you don't feel fear before you do that you didn't ought to be doing it.
On the bike, I'm all too aware of how vulnerable I am to numpty car drivers, but by crikey I am not going to let them deprive me of the pleasure of biking.
Life is for living. I'm 74 now and looking back it's the stuff I did that was 'fearful' that is the stuff I'm so glad I did. In flying, in biking, and even in making career decisions.
Fortune favours the brave, they say. I'd re-word that to 'fortune favours those who overcome natural and understandable fear'.
Vince
IMO the older 1200 sportsters are the best Harleys. Lots of models and years to pick from.
I like the older single seat small tank models but there are plenty of styles to choose from.
Thanks Freddie
The Honda Shadow all day. Very recommended.
Great words of advice Freddie, best wishes from Germany 😉
Was sat listening to this Today (on my Birthday) and you read out my comment at 16.29. Really made my Day! 😂
Cheers Freddie 👊😎👍
I saw the Norton’s at the London bike show and thought they looked really good. Looking forward to seeing your ride on it.
Loses fear of biking 😊
Eaten by grizzly whilst camping 😢
Davide! I agree with Freddie! Get the Harley!
I would tell Davide to get the Yamaha Dragstar, but not the 650, but the XVS1100. It's got dual front discs and really good handling. I really believe that it's a better bike than the Sportster. And better looking. With that said, Go get that dream!
Some good advice on getting a Harley Freddie. Those other bikes will only loose value. A Harley is worth good money forever. I got to tell ya. That new Norton is really cool! You need to do a review on it. I rode a friends old Norton fastback many years ago. Crazy thing shifted on the wrong side and upside down. But after I figured it out, it sure was fast!
Brillian Freddie
Davide. Check you can get insurance as a first year rider before buying your dream bike.
Ooooo if I had the money! 😂. Great episode!
Will be looking out for you in Galle/ Unawatuna area .
Another great podcast. I will say that today is the future so don’t wait. Buy the bike, enjoy it while you can as tomorrow isn’t guaranteed. If you can afford it then do it. I can’t wait for your review on the new Himalayan
Cessy (from East Coast USA).....can you ride with friends.....or join a local owners club !
It's always funny hearing that rattling exhaust in the intro clip
I keep telling Monika to update the intro!!😆🤷♂️
Cessy needs a Honda Monkey, its perfect fun friendly attention grabbing bike for any skill level.
Another interesting chat. For the viewer who had confidence problems, I think taking some instruction for how to deal with and identify risks to make riding safer may help, not doing any riding won't help, them at the end of the day if still anxious then riding is not for them. For the RE 120 editions, I have the continental GT and bought it to ride and not to cosset away, I think those UK asking prices are unrealistic and they don't actually sell for that anyway. Enjoying your Goa videos, you and Monica do these travel videos very well.
Cessy. Up your training and practise, practise, practise. Take your bike to supermarket car parks and carve figure of 8s, practise stop starts and emergency braking and learn how to corner at normal road speeds with counter steering. Command the road and you’ll be fine. It’s all here on TH-cam. Best of luck!
My advice for anyone wanting a bike is go for it, enjoy it, look after it but expect to lose money when you sell it and be thankful if you don't and remember the more you make it your own the more you'll lose on it, the more you do the needed upgrades, the more saleable it will be but not more valuable. Great video Freddie
I’m an American Cesse find a car park and do drills for handling the bike with confidence I’m also a Sports Psychology coach. Freddie has it about right. Feel the fear and do it anyway.
Stuart Garner, ex owner of Norton bikes, stole millions from his employees pension funds to invest in his failing business. Scandalously, the public schoolboy (sic), only received a suspended sentence. The tax payer has since footed the bill for his criminal activity. This proving, once more, it's not what you do, it's who you know.
“Oh if I had the money” …. The cry we all make Freddie as we surf the net for our dream bikes to add to our garages 😂
That Chinese san Gabriel 400 looks really nice Freddie 👍🏻
I agree Freddie, here in AUS the resale on any Royal Enfield is absolutely ridiculously low. EG my 2022 350 classic, mint, never been wet, only 1000Klms, paid $A8000, best offer $4500. 😟
My advice to ride more is to run errands on you bike; also you can go to state parks, historical spots, small towns.
To the mc rider from NE US…. Hang in there!
I get it!….. especially living in the north east of the US.
Keep at it!… Go to school parking lots on Sundays and gain your confidence.!
Keep practicing, you will eventually turn the corner, so to speak.
You will get there… You need to familiarize yourself with your bike and enjoy it… You will become addicted like the rest of us… Once you gain your confidence… And feel more comfortable… Things will come naturally. You know the rule of thumb… Always ride as if you are invisible especially in the area where you live. Good luck to you… You can do it.
get about you do fella
Would love to own a classic Benelli 750 sei.
I can see the new Norton will increase in value, a good investment.
Fred, you mentioned Aston Martin. Did you know that the DB prefix in the model range stands for David Brown as in the Tractor manufacturer. He owned the manufacturing company of Astin Martin and Tickford as well as well as Lagonda. Just thought you might find it interesting.
I knew the DB part, but the last two sentences are new to me. Thanks for sharing this🙂
Regarding the prices of the anniversary continental and interceptor, welcome to rip off Britain 😳
The longer anniversary models sit in a shop, the more open to offers they'll be. RE did a final limited edition of the Bullet 500, but that's a machine that will never be made again. A paint job on an existing model won't have the same attraction.
Hi Freddie, make sure you get your suspected stomach bug checked out by a doctor, I just lost my wife to a burst appendix, she was examined by her GP but diagnosed a stomach bug with doubts and concerns, it is hard to detect appendicitis in some people.
Sorry for your loss. Hope you are ok.
That had to be incredibly painful. Your wife must have been a seriously strong woman. My condolences.
Thanks Victor@@Victor-vf1fi
Yes I'm still feeling the pain of her loss, the funeral is today, thanks Clay@@clayfarnet970
I’m so sorry to hear this! Thank you so much for the advise and I’m sending you all my best
Hey Freddie… what bike do you currently own and ride daily….?
Hi Freddie stop going on holiday and drink water instead of expensive coffees and you'll have the money😂
After failing the cbt so many times it’s probably a bad idea riding a bike, for everyone’s safety.
Anyone with a Nissan skyline knows that they are valuable cars
That's something people that don't know me have said multiple times.
But then I've never been into an accident, nor found myself in any sort of trouble on the 125 or on the 650, nor in my many years of car driving between Italy and the UK (and I was a natural born driver either)
People simply learn at their own pace and not everyone can get the hang of something new or get over fear quickly.
I'd agree if you said to take it slow and easy to safely build up confidence, which I did, but I don't think one should just give up altogether.
It should have been explained at the beginning of your CBT that it isn’t a test but an assessment which takes as long as it takes for you to complete! It would be a very unreasonable thing to expect someone with very little or no experience to pass a motorcycle test! I was full time Motorcycle instructor for 15 years and always made sure my Students were aware of this, it massively helps taking the pressure off! Imagine thinking you were doing a test when you’ve never even ridden before!
Well done for persevering with it, ride safe and enjoy yourself!
So remember folks you can’t fail a CBT it’s not a test and it takes as long as it takes.
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Hello from Sussex 😂
I can't see someone who's only ridden 30miles in 2 years all of a sudden riding for a day and a half Freddie. I'd probably start them riding around the block once, twice, then going further and further each time, but who knows, maybe the guy becomes the next Itchy Boots overnight 🤣
Aston Martin, Newport Pagnell or Newport, Gwent? Hmmm.
Do Roosters of bikes all have chicken strips?
Ive had a VN800 and a Harley Superglide. Both were really nice bikes but nothing matches the million-dollar feeling of riding a Harley
I haven’t seen any “positive” reviews on the Norton, and finish on even the new bikes looks very poor. It was the bike I really wanted to love, but ended up ordering the Thruxton FE
Fear is the mind killer. Ignorance is strength!
Did you say you were in South Sri Lanka ? 😮
I am!🇱🇰
bike anxiety, go out every day but only do short trip for 20 mins. That anxiety will eventually go.
Deli Belly, VERY COMMON THERE.
Hi there Freddie, just on subject of difference on motorcycles when you're thinking of trading in your bike, it was 6 months ago now and I was thinking of trading in my BMW GS 310 went to my local BMW motorcycle dealer against, well there were a couple of models I was interested in the very best they were willing to was £1000 trade in , I had to get the salesman to say it twice 😮 I couldn't believe my ears, this was for a 2018 BMW GS 310 , with 4100 miles on the clock full service history, well walked out of there , one week later in my royal Enfield dealer would your take my GS 310 for a new 350 metour yes a little dealing but in the end he gave me £3000 form my GS well deal was done gave him £900 rode off on my new 350 metour which i have been very, very pleased with 😊
Volusia is the FL county of Daytona: vol-you-SHU....
If I had the money, I would spend most of the winter in Bali and Goa. What do you mean if you had the money. ?
I respectfully disagree about Norton. I think theyll likely fail or shutter yet again in about 3 years unless they get their bikes at 15k. The only thing they have going for them is that the thruxton is going out of production, theyre built in the uk and they have what most reviews are saying is 'character'. That said, with their 17k plus price tag their customers are either retirees or trust fund babies in the uk only.
I agree. Selling bikes that average riders can't afford is not a recipe for success. Hinckley Triumph is the perfect example of a marque resurrection, by producing bikes we not only wanted, but could afford. I really liked the Atlas Nomad and Ranger that was debuted just before Gardiner went bust. And that's liking as a bike, not just as a Norton (I ride an original Norton)
24k for a different colour scheme? Behave! You could have a Norton or a Triumph for that with enough left over for a standard interceptor or continental.
Why doesn’t you Australian viewer ship his Royal Enfield to the uk to sell it. According to Google the shipping cost is around £500
Not sure why, but I feel like you ran off as soon as you finished filming and hugged that porcelain God! Hope you feel better.
As for the last segment on the Norton, i don't believe they are available here in America, I am guessing it would need to be imported and then supply chain issues for parts here. Same with BSA. Heck, Royal Enfield just got less then 300 miles away just last year. I am guessing, America is not the main market for these types of bikes at this time. Just wait!
Fear? Get on the bike, an ride around the block. The next day, do the same thing the other direction. Repeat. If thats all you do all year, fine. But one day you will come to the stop sign half way around the block, an turn the other way. An you will be gone for an hour. That ride may be your new daily ride. But it will eventually get board of that an ride somewhere else. Fear is about the unknown. Take it in steps an the fear will go away as the unknown becomes the known and routine.
I wouldn't get too excited about the Norton you will be testing. For all the hullabaloo regarding quality control, their bikes are a huge disappointment when it comes to the level of finish. One TH-camr had one for a period and he couldn't believe the number of faults it had when he picked it up from the dealer, who admitted it was the only example they had at the time that actually worked. He didn't find the ride engaging, it wasn't worth the money, and every review I've read has said much the same.
I'd be delighted if Norton were a success, and hopefully you have a better experience, but it seems they have a way to go with the Commando.
I have a new one. That youtuber is talking pish. Check out Mr Darcy's review of the new 961
It's beautiful, but Norton still want way too much coin for a bike with an agricultural 5 speed box, and a pathetic 76 hp. It's also hard to see the point in fitting top shelf suspension and brakes to such a pedestrian machine.
Freddie, you look like you’re coming down with something. I bloody hope it’s not the food poisoning you suspect.
I do feel like I’ve had low level food poisoning almost every day since I arrived in India
It may seem harsh, but I can't sympathise with anyone who buys a 'special edition' as an investment and expects it to retain its original price. SE is usually nothing more than some cosmetic changes and maybe a numbered badge. Add to that a Royal Enfield isn't a luxury brand to begin with, I wonder if that person knows much about bikes at all. I feel bad for them to a degree, but a fool and their money...
Dear Dr Dobbs, I've heard a lot recently about First World problems, compared to real ones, the chap(ess?) with the unridden 2 bikes is the first human example I've come across. Please admit him/her into your world renowned recovery program #Broadmoor_innit!!?! with immediate effect.
my very long term late friend done his mod one the second time he knows the examiner moved the last cone it was found out he did it a number of times my mate coult him out and he beat the crap out of him he will never test eney more l
Should never buy your dream bike as I have always been disappointed, me i leave dreams alone, its never worked out for me and are mony pits
Nonsense.... #denyyourselfnothing
There are 100s of bikes out there, so one of those is going to be your dream bike. Nobody says there is a restriction on how many dream bikes you can try.