Do you want to know what I deem to be the saddest part of this tragedy? There are no indications that Sauron played a role in what transpired. Just people despising others just for having different origins, relatives killing relatives, and people of a once proud nation fighting and killing each other. Was this vestiges of Morgoth's corruption? Or was there always evil in the hearts of Men?
This video has blown me away! Thank you so much for taking the time to make such an in-depth video with so much art for every aspect and character. Gondors such a long complicated history that I have always struggled to understand how Gondor really gets from the Fall of Numenor to what we see in Lotr. It is way more fascinating than I expected!
This also makes Dol Amroth's pure numenorean heritage hit different, as they likely supported castamir during the kin strife, even though the lords of Belfalas at that time were not known as the Princes of Dol Amroth yet.
I dunno, I doubt Eldacar would have just let them keep on ruling if they supported Castamir, and not all of the pureblooded Dunedain were on Castamir's side. Besides, Castamir's 'loyalist' army fled and became the Corsairs of Umbar, so at the least they didn't fight for him the second time. So it's more likely that the Dol Amroth line either didn't side with Castamir at all, eventually saw Castamir for what he was and sided with Eldacar when he returned, or kept out of it entirely.
As a Civil War re-enactor I'm always intruiged by the Kinstrife and its legacy. Both in Britain and the US the lasting effects took external warfare to bring the nation back to being united and comfortable with itself again, one woders how this went for Gondor (and did they learn _anything_ from the division of Arnor, apparently not!). The net results of political mistrust between the provinces and the loss of trained and experiuenced manpower must have had an additional effect when, 200 years later, the Plague hit and the watch on Mordor relaxed and was abandoned. One does wonder where Gandalf may have been during the period, what acts of mitigation or hope may have been inspired that resulted in Eldacar's ability to hold on and rally support after the sack of Osgilliath. Indeed, one of the chief treasures of the Dunedain was lost, a stone perhaps 3 feet across falling into a navigable river, it always seems strange that there is no implication that anyone looked for it and simply assumed the loss.
@@Rellana1 The existence of such would be a matter of lore and great pide I'd have expected, at least in the families more into the "pure Numenorean" ideal and Castamir would fit that bracket, it is after all the reason for starting the Kin Strife in the first place🙂
Hey! Awesome video - thanks for sharing! I just finished my 1st ever read though of the Lord of the Rings series… Your channel is what inspired me to start! I appreciate y’all!
One of the tragic things about this war other then what I previously mentioned was the loss of bloodlines, casualties that Gondor couldn't afford to pay and the destruction of osgilliath And loss of it's seeing stone as well as the destruction of the joint thrones of elendils sons
It would be really nice if you made a film about the fourth and fifth ages in Middle Earth. You have a lot of ways to do it. New Empires, Kingdoms, wars of people against people, extermination of mythological creatures. The development of paper, technology, old cities become ruins, and new cities and new kingdoms rise in new locations. At the end of the fifth and the beginning of the sixth age of Middle Earth, gunpowder appears, and later colonialism. It would be very interesting to see ARDA in the 21st century.
As stated above middle earth is entirely implied to just end up being the modern world. Its supposed to be a legendarium or creation myth to challenge actual religions.
In a really obscure letter, I think Tolkien said that we're supposed to be in the Seventh Age? So like the Sixth Age would be Before Jesus or something, and the Fifth would be before the Biblical Flood maybe, so the Fourth Age would possibly end in another world breaking event, or as I like to think it, the slow decline and shifting of the world until the line of the Kings finally ends, Gondor falls in obscurity, and the last elves disappears from the earth.
What-if video idea for you to do: What if Gandalf never fell at the Bridge of Khazad-dum and continued with the fellowship to Lothlorien and on forward?
One of three great destabilising and destructive events that along with Easterling invasions and great plague would drain Gondor of resources and manpower and start it on its road to decline and stagnation that we would see in said kingdom at the beginning of the war of the ring.
You wouldn't believe it. Gondor's Eastern border is weaker than ever before. They are emptying out their prisons and mental institutions in Mordor. And they're sending them here. When I was King, I spoke to a messenger from Minas Morgul. I said, I want you to station 28,000 Easterlings on the other side of the river from Osgiliath. My remain in Mordor policy worked. And since the Stewards have been in power our way of life is ending. Together we must Make Gondor Great Again.
It is clear that this civil war was due to the impurity of Númenorian blood in the dynasty of Gondor. By this logic, when the Black Númenoreans mingled with the Haradrim in Umbar, there should have been an internal conflict between them, but it didn't. Therefore, other factors may be present as well.
Folks will say that Númenor was the greatest realm of the mannish peoples, but me? I say it was Hithlum, where our heroes' ancestors were forged in the war against Morgoth.
Its interesting that the Gondorians dont like to talk very much about who exactly burned and sacked Osgiliath and left it in ruins. Did Sauron do that? Nope. It was the Gondorians themselves lol.
Mae Govannon Mellon! Hope all is well. This topic is awesome to discuss. A show about it would be great...Tolkien knew a good story, to put it modestly..Keep up the great work Mellon! Brohirrim 4 life! "ECTHELION!"
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Do you want to know what I deem to be the saddest part of this tragedy?
There are no indications that Sauron played a role in what transpired. Just people despising others just for having different origins, relatives killing relatives, and people of a once proud nation fighting and killing each other.
Was this vestiges of Morgoth's corruption? Or was there always evil in the hearts of Men?
Most likely the former.
I say it's Morgoth's corruption
This video has blown me away! Thank you so much for taking the time to make such an in-depth video with so much art for every aspect and character. Gondors such a long complicated history that I have always struggled to understand how Gondor really gets from the Fall of Numenor to what we see in Lotr. It is way more fascinating than I expected!
And thank you so much for your awesomely kind comment 😁
This also makes Dol Amroth's pure numenorean heritage hit different, as they likely supported castamir during the kin strife, even though the lords of Belfalas at that time were not known as the Princes of Dol Amroth yet.
I dunno, I doubt Eldacar would have just let them keep on ruling if they supported Castamir, and not all of the pureblooded Dunedain were on Castamir's side. Besides, Castamir's 'loyalist' army fled and became the Corsairs of Umbar, so at the least they didn't fight for him the second time. So it's more likely that the Dol Amroth line either didn't side with Castamir at all, eventually saw Castamir for what he was and sided with Eldacar when he returned, or kept out of it entirely.
As a Civil War re-enactor I'm always intruiged by the Kinstrife and its legacy. Both in Britain and the US the lasting effects took external warfare to bring the nation back to being united and comfortable with itself again, one woders how this went for Gondor (and did they learn _anything_ from the division of Arnor, apparently not!). The net results of political mistrust between the provinces and the loss of trained and experiuenced manpower must have had an additional effect when, 200 years later, the Plague hit and the watch on Mordor relaxed and was abandoned. One does wonder where Gandalf may have been during the period, what acts of mitigation or hope may have been inspired that resulted in Eldacar's ability to hold on and rally support after the sack of Osgilliath. Indeed, one of the chief treasures of the Dunedain was lost, a stone perhaps 3 feet across falling into a navigable river, it always seems strange that there is no implication that anyone looked for it and simply assumed the loss.
Maybe Castamir didn't care enough to look for it,even if he knew it was there? The Palantir would be been a closely-guarded secret I assume.
@@Rellana1 The existence of such would be a matter of lore and great pide I'd have expected, at least in the families more into the "pure Numenorean" ideal and Castamir would fit that bracket, it is after all the reason for starting the Kin Strife in the first place🙂
Hey! Awesome video - thanks for sharing! I just finished my 1st ever read though of the Lord of the Rings series… Your channel is what inspired me to start! I appreciate y’all!
One of the tragic things about this war other then what I previously mentioned was the loss of bloodlines, casualties that Gondor couldn't afford to pay and the destruction of osgilliath And loss of it's seeing stone as well as the destruction of the joint thrones of elendils sons
Now I can finally see where GRRM got the Blackfyre Rebellion
It would be really nice if you made a film about the fourth and fifth ages in Middle Earth. You have a lot of ways to do it. New Empires, Kingdoms, wars of people against people, extermination of mythological creatures. The development of paper, technology, old cities become ruins, and new cities and new kingdoms rise in new locations. At the end of the fifth and the beginning of the sixth age of Middle Earth, gunpowder appears, and later colonialism. It would be very interesting to see ARDA in the 21st century.
Arda in the 21st century would just be earth.
As stated above middle earth is entirely implied to just end up being the modern world. Its supposed to be a legendarium or creation myth to challenge actual religions.
In a really obscure letter, I think Tolkien said that we're supposed to be in the Seventh Age? So like the Sixth Age would be Before Jesus or something, and the Fifth would be before the Biblical Flood maybe, so the Fourth Age would possibly end in another world breaking event, or as I like to think it, the slow decline and shifting of the world until the line of the Kings finally ends, Gondor falls in obscurity, and the last elves disappears from the earth.
What-if video idea for you to do:
What if Gandalf never fell at the Bridge of Khazad-dum and continued with the fellowship to Lothlorien and on forward?
One of three great destabilising and destructive events that along with Easterling invasions and great plague would drain Gondor of resources and manpower and start it on its road to decline and stagnation that we would see in said kingdom at the beginning of the war of the ring.
Make Gondor great again
We're gonna build that wall, and make Mordor pay for it!
Pretty certain that the folks living there when the Numenoreans showed up might not feel that way.
@@michaelsmyth3935 sucks to suck
You wouldn't believe it. Gondor's Eastern border is weaker than ever before. They are emptying out their prisons and mental institutions in Mordor. And they're sending them here. When I was King, I spoke to a messenger from Minas Morgul. I said, I want you to station 28,000 Easterlings on the other side of the river from Osgiliath. My remain in Mordor policy worked. And since the Stewards have been in power our way of life is ending. Together we must Make Gondor Great Again.
The power of the rng cannot be undone.
It is clear that this civil war was due to the impurity of Númenorian blood in the dynasty of Gondor. By this logic, when the Black Númenoreans mingled with the Haradrim in Umbar, there should have been an internal conflict between them, but it didn't. Therefore, other factors may be present as well.
Folks will say that Númenor was the greatest realm of the mannish peoples, but me? I say it was Hithlum, where our heroes' ancestors were forged in the war against Morgoth.
The power of the ring could not be undone
The Power of the Ring IS UNDONE
Its interesting that the Gondorians dont like to talk very much about who exactly burned and sacked Osgiliath and left it in ruins. Did Sauron do that? Nope. It was the Gondorians themselves lol.
Mae Govannon Mellon! Hope all is well. This topic is awesome to discuss. A show about it would be great...Tolkien knew a good story, to put it modestly..Keep up the great work Mellon! Brohirrim 4 life!
"ECTHELION!"
A show on this would definitely be awesome to see! If only they would be brave enough to make it!
@@TheBrokenSword if you ever need help making a show/movie about ME, 1st, 2nd, and or 3rd age I am full of knowledge and ideas..have a great day Mellon
very cool video, didn't actually know much about this
Could you do a video or videos on all the languages of the legendarium? I've not seen anyone really go in depth on them.
The Power of the Ring could not be undone
The power of the Ring coulod not be undone....
The Power of the Ring could not be undone. 🤌🏻
i hope this and fall of arnor or war in the north get done properly with care one day.
Rohan is the greatest realm of Men.
The event other then the plague that really gutted and accelerated the wane of the dunedain of the south
Gondor a great kingdom of men may the white city for ever stand in all it's splendor, beauty , glory and might for all ages of middle earth.
The original MAGGA Make Arnor Gondor Great Again. 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Khanate of the Balchoth is the greatest mannish realm
Make Arnor Great Again! We should have hats!
Rohan is the greatest kingdom of men
Azog Sent me Here
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The wainrider invasion
Gondor I think is the best realm of Middle Earth.
"Azog sent me"
I am no expert by any means whatsoever. But if I had to guess I would say numenor was the greatest Kingdom of men.
Dale
Castamir was Eldacar's second cousin
I like the kingdom of Dale best but gondor does have the most military power as far a human kingdomes
Arnor for my tuppence worth 😊
1st comment😊
I think George RR matrin should be done for Plagarism here as his House of Castamere was a civil war in westeros as well.
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The power of the ring could not be undone
The power of the ring could not be undone
The power of the ring could not be undone