EPISODE 3: ARE COLOURED PEOPLE BLACK?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 25 ม.ค. 2017
- As we begin to understand that Coloured Identity is a lived experience, how do we start to reconstruct an understanding of ourselves that will hold power for our communities?
We are people that continue to suffer the effects of an oppressive regime. Apartheid was designed to keep us divided long after it ended.
How do we address the injustices that we continue to face? How do we unite to heal our pain?
A big thank you to everyone that braved the our interviews. These are difficult topics.
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As a Cape Coloured guy, I Think through everything our Ancestors when through in the Apartheid Era in term being put into certain groups. I have no problem being called black. But what makes us Coloureds different from black and white South Africans is our culture we created throughout the years our cuisine, or way of life etc. My Grandparents was Classified as Malays and then again as Coloureds. I think it is time for us to stop being so divided and start to get to know each others cultures and Languages. I'm first African(From the African Continent) and then I'm Coloured.Thanks for this ladies, we need these kind of discussion. Peace Out .
Black is a race not a culture. Zulus, pedis, sothos or xhosas all have different cultures but they are all black
@@whatsyouropiniononthis1173 I know that, did I say black is a culture🙄, read my comment properly plz. I'm saying the Coloured race's culture differ from the Black and White race's culture😉👍
Kenyans have their own distinct culture, so are the Nigerians etc ..they have a culture different form black South Africans and yet all these people are black and African...the point I'm trying to make you can't emphasise being different purely on having a different culture
@@thabo3866 What you're saying is 100% right, and I agree. Yet, coloureds are not just different in a cultural sense but also have a unique ethnic background and heritage. They are mixed will many different races, this includes the indigenous Khoi-Khoi and san people, south east Asian(Malaysian), Indian, Bantu and Caucasian (Dutch/British) and more and was rebranded as coloured, due to colonisation and the slave trade. So them being different does stem from more than just culture but genetics as well. Please note that is not anti-blackness, I'm just pointing out something that I think is important in the conversation of the coloured identity. Many coloured people don't even know in a broader sense they are technically mixed race (But regardless, they still see themselves as the same people, due to shared ethnic history, heritage and culture) and have diverse genetics and ancestry that stem from many places, which varies from person to person based on their DNA.
Again, I agree with you, Sorry for this long paragraph and thanks for your comment
@@art_by_darney i mean there are many white people who have black bantu DNA in them according to their ancestry DNA and so forth,I've met people from colored communities who literally say they are not colored but mixed race this thing is really complicated.
You have white people in Israel identifying as Jews yet they're actually Russians and german,Turkic people whereas the actual Jews/israelites are black people, Bantu,negroes these are the original people of God who scattered all over the world,ab-original people have curly hair but they are black people. It has been scientifically proven that there's more variety and diversity among black people than there is between black and white because,you have all types of hair textures in black,you have black people with blue eyes,blond hair a variety of shades from a darker color to yellow even white I remember there's a black couple that gave birth to a white child and it was their child 100% yet black people are the most devided though.
Where whites also have different cultures,french,irish,german,Russians,American,so called Jews,scortish etc yet with their different cultures they still all identify as white it's just that because of the one drop rule where if a white person has one drop of black blood they would just identify as white yet if the black allele dominates one is not white enough otherwise I think coloureds would just fall under white.
I personally identify as Coloured, Black and African... however I also acknowledge there are coloureds within our community who are mixed between White and Indian/ Asian - however I too connect with them as they are a representation of our diversity. Since coloureds are diverse; you have to anticipate diverse/ disparate answers to such a question. Coloureds are simply people of colour, we accept all skin tones and hair textures within our communities, and I think that is absolutely beautiful.
I'm starting to think "colorism" is the problem. We are facing the same oppression but fighting each other. Makes no sense to me.
Well put
@@NoniAyannaGobernRoach it's not hard to understand. We are mixed with two different races and made one race
@@potterhead8924 not just two though. Like Indian and Asian too and stuff unless
being born in SA but moved to England to my mother when I was 7, my grandma always taught
me I was had coloured and Spedi heritage from my mum and Zulu and Caribbean
(Trinidad) heritage from my dad. So from an early age, I identified as black
and coloured.
When I was asked what race I was on a school
questionnaire i wrote both those races, however, later that day i was called
into the office. My principle told me i couldn't use the term 'coloured' as it
was racist / derogatory term for black people and that left me confused. I told
my mum and she and my aunt (who'd lived in England for 20+ years) informed me
and said that people here (UK) see us (coloureds), (especially if you look
mixed race or darker), are just seen as black people or light skinned black
people, same applies to America. It's only when you explain yourself about the
heritage is when they understand, however we were still seen as black.
So you have a link to the Caribbean on your fathers side, Trinidad to be precise, I'm from a Caribbean background and interestingly I too have family in Trinidad.
I experience that as well. Even for freakin' applications. I wish the question would just be reserved for census reasons already. What difference does it make if I am black if applying for an accounting position? You know what I mean? They use it to segregate. Anyways - rant over. But, what bothers me is that I also have strong Mannisean Native American heritage that I refuse to deny and means equally as much to me. In order to pick one box, I have to deny the rest of me. I say "mixed" now and when they ask with what, I select the four boxes. But they are getting detailed now. You can't just say African American now. Some say "are you from the islands?" and give a choice of Jamaican etc. There, I check it...but when they ask are you hispanic and I say yes, hahahahaha it starts to become like a freakin' ancenstrial class for something as simple as a loan. LMBO. Anyways, to avoid it all, I just say "mixed race" and "refuse to answer" when the option is there.
Maureen Jackson oh when linking that I don’t think it applies to the term coloured as it’s made up of literally black people (different shades) and people of Indian descendants
I agree most of us are mixed to an extent and describing ourselves based on the regions/land our ancestors came from tells a broader story than the various colors that were applied to us. If I tell people my family is from the Carribean and one of our great (x3) grandparent was from Ireland raised in the states. You can get a better sense of who I am and potential upbringing.
@Cat Kingradio883 however you cannot discredit my mums side & family. I identify as black of course because I just don’t believe in the term “coloured” however I’ll never disregard my mums side and only claim my fathers bloodline. Especially if he’s not around
I wish they would teach coloured history in schools maybe that will inspire the youth to see that they can be more than gangsters and baby mamas. They should teach the history of the Griqua and Basters kingdoms and about Adam kok, Nicolas Waterboer. Look up to coloureds like Dr Marc Hendricks, Trevor Manuel, Kim Engelbrecht, Lesley Ann Brandt and multimillionaire Stefford Masie, instead of drug dealers and gangsters.
not all coloured man are gangsters
@Gods Klanof That's because you're an idiot who cannot put a simple sentence together much less read a text with comprehension.
agreed.. and Gods Klanof you are kind of making the point that there is no history about us .. and why because both the white and black regime does not think much of our people.. we are like the gum under their shoes ..an irritation that wont go away.
Fadiel this issue should really be brought up in a bigger debate because we do have history otherwise how did we come to be here.. is racial propoganda at its best
I would love to learn the Coloured History. If someone can teach me it???
As a 17year old teen i feel like we as the youth should learn more about or history and then we'll appreciate more what we have today❤.
I agree fully
I am HUMAN
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Everyone forgets we're South East Asian too that's why everyone's features are a diverse range from African to European to Asian features - I know my ancestors came from all 3 of these groups
south east Asian. Please explain am a Bantu and I've read the history about my ancestral migration but now as an African am more interested in you're story am just lost...
@@mickeynozewu2634 present day Indonesia and the surrounding islands is where many slaves were brought by the Dutch to the Cape. As the Dutch also colonized Indonesia they exiled political exiles, prisoners and even those of royalty who opposed their rule. Hence why many refer to themselves as Cape Malay ie the malay race. This is how Islam also made its way to South Africa. However, not all our ancestors from Asia came as slaves eg some of mine were refugees from the Philippines in the late 1800s as a result of the resistance against Spanish colonizers. Mine unintentionally ended up in SA.
The Spanish and Tagalog languages unfortunately died out at the Cape as they adapted to speak English. Most Filipinos inter married with other races,
resulting in a very mixed community. I've read that as majority of the Cape Malay are Muslim they intend to marry within their religious community and dna tests have shown they can have as much as 60% South East Asian DNA which is incredible.
Interestingly I have a West African surname, been trying to trace my African ancestors in Ivory Coast, the slave museum says there were two slave ships from West Africa that came to SA, so that is one of my speculations about my African roots.
@@filmsbynix whaaaaat wooow man I had no idea I thought maybe people were just being delusional. You know am a Xhosa speaking both my mom&dad are Xhosa FROM the eastern cape but I found congolesse,equitorial guine,cameroon,angola in my ancestral DNA
@@mickeynozewu2634 I am sure I read slaves came from Angola too! You're not the first Xhosa person to tell me they also took a DNA test and discovered they had a small portion of Angolan DNA.
Edit: I googled and it's true Jan Van Riebeek had Angolan slaves which they pirated from a Portuguese slave ship on its way to South America sent to SAfrica. But there was another ship as well I see.
@@mickeynozewu2634 That's because of mass migration of Nguni people from the Congo Basin in central Africa southwards. The first peoples here below the Sahara were the Khoi and the San.
Hi Kelly & Sarah. This is a great series. I look forward to more videos on this. I'm not coloured myself (I'm Zulu) but I appreciate hearing how coloured people describe and define themselves: In understanding others, we come to understand ourselves.
On whether coloured people are also black - in my opinion: Yes! In the words of Bantu Stephen Biko "Being black is not a matter of pigmentation - being black is a reflection of a mental attitude. Merely by describing yourself as black you have started on a road towards emancipation, you have committed yourself to fight against all forces that seek to use your blackness as a stamp that marks you out as a subservient being."
And regardless of whether coloured people see themselves as black or not, we are all South African (coloured, black, white, etc) and we should all be making an effort to love and live with each other's cultures.
I fully agree with this. We have been living separate lifestyles for centuries, that is true, but to get those "old fashion cultures out of our beings, to me is the main problem. Many Europeans who arrived here from all over Europe and the British Isles made love with "Black" ladies. Children of a light colour than Black were born and became known as "Coloured." And so this type of lifestyle has continued for many years. At the end of the day we all need accept that although we are all different through birth, basically we are all South Africans.
We are mixed from alot of nationalities... We call it being coloured in South Africa... We are not black nor are we white...
At first, it made me feel like I didn't fit in anywhere. Now, I'm glad I don't. Lol makes it hard to hate and polarize ppl.
I am not black Im colored... Mixed. PUNT.
Completely agree. I prefer the term mixed race, there is no such thing as a coloured person. This term was used by the apartheid gov and many have accepted it. Recently others have rejected it & searching for their roots, Griqua, Khoisan etc
@@dukewentertainment5355 some people are Griqua. Maybe you can say Khoi or San. Some are Malay. But some people are just coloured. Mixed sounds like your parents are different races.
I think eventually people will give up trying to lose the coloured label because, if there was going to be a better name, someone would have come up with it already.
Whites and blacks don't get upset about their label.
I just watched every ancestry DNA they are actually black, Black doesn mean Bantu, coloured people are black they just not Bantu, I mean their ancestry is Like black Americans
They are not black they are mixed and they aren't khoisan either.
I am khoisan so what now? Dont decide for us ok.
@@janinewest7844 No your not Khoisan, your mixed race, deal with it and facts deicide what your are not feelings, SO DEAL WITH IT.
South African Law does not allow Coloured people to "identify" as "Black". WHY? because, Coloured people are ethnically(European+ South-East Asian AND/OR Khoi) and culturally different from Black South Africans. A Coloured teacher that identified as "Black" on his job application had legal charges filed against him for doing so by the Department of Education.
coloureds are different bro ,some do share a lot in common with black folks and also poses south American features. Maybe you are talking of Cape Malays or some
@@JasonSmith-yn4ke The only thing coloureds have in common with blacks is that some are facing the same socio-economic challenges in this country as Black South Africans. We don't practise African culture, we don't speak African languages although a few coloured folk do if they grew up in predominately black communities and ethnically we are distinct from black South Africans.
@@DeviousDucky552 Are Khoisan and Xhosa Black? You see where i am going with this... there is black+SE-Asian+white in jou. When you speak pf these issues, you also need to acknowledge that AND qualify your argument squarely on culture...
@@tendaifushai5651 Yes, most mixed race people labelled coloured do have khoisan heritage but there are others who don't. At this point there is no Khoisan culture or language they can identify with as a collective. Technically they are black but once again the current government has rejected that by categorising them as not being "African Black". This denies them the chance of accessing jobs and other benefits on par with what the ANC regards as African blacks. No wonder many have once again accepted the once derogatory arbitrarily assigned Apartheid term Coloured. Marginalised again!
@@DeviousDucky552 African it is a language ? There is many languages in Africa and South Africa all black don’t speak the same languages so I don’t understand your comment
I am a colored South African. I also have zero South African ethnicity which took me by huge surprise after taking a DNA test to have an understanding of my ethnicity. It’s been a story coming on for a very long time that Cape Coloureds are from Dutch and Khoi San origins. I truly believed that this was my heritage. The pretty much half of my ethnicity which is European, is categorized as Irish, Welsh and Scottish. I am also Balkan and Scandinavian. My African heritage and ethnicity is from central east Africa (Tanzania, Kenya, Somalia) and South Asia which tells me my family were part of the slave trade and they somehow migrated down south to South Africa. It still puzzles me that I have no South African heritage. Why do I write this? For my other colored brothers and sisters, get your DNA tested. Let’s not assume what we’ve been told. We’ve been fed a lot of stories let’s find our own truth and be proud of it. Let’s be proud of who we are. Much love and light. Renee
Sadly those DNA tests are very in accurate
@chrismyswitchcom4355; I wholeheartedly agree with you about those ancestry tests being inaccurate !!!!!!!.
Look to the very next comment above your's, which explains the debth of this matter, One people!
Are not Khoisan part of South African heritage. Khoisan are black people.
I am so happy that you ladies are exploring this. These questions I have asked so many times and as a south african living overseas having to explain this to people is sometimes hard and confusing. So thank you. Xx 😘❤🙏🙌🏽
In 1973 I saw a poster at UWC that still resonates with me today. It stated simply: "Inside every Coloured is a Black man / woman waiting to be born". That settled the question and liberated me. Interesting that in an era where we should be crafting a united South African identity we are still trying to define our space. This, inter alia, is a failure of the liberation struggle. Apartheid is dead and buried. Long live apartheid!
I love this!!! Being black is not being a bantu. We've always seen our so called "coloured" brothers and sisters as a part of us, I was shocked when I found out they saw themselves as otherwise.
@@QuotesFromTheMotherland
The Afrikaner nationalists are to blame for this, they deliberately used divide and rule, and it seemed to have worked.
And yet the Anc is still making us tick coloured on a job form. We only black when it's convenient for people. On government papers we are coloured
@@maureenjackson2041 the system has failed us period
There's an odd desperation in people who insist others must be what they are. Typically when people are proud of what they are and Identify as, they tend to be more exclusive and exclusionary. I've never met rich people who absolutely insist that all others must be rich and educated as well. So when someone insists you must also be what they are, it seems desperate like they're not proud of their identity. Therefore, if you identify as black, don't insist others do as well.
Bingo!
Africans Americans , always claimming Everybody , the same happen with us Dominicans ...
My roots run far deeper then black and white
my slave ancestors were mixed from across the world
I choose african as this is where my ancestors come together
u stupid u are on Earth by mistake
U are not original
u deny being black u deny being what are u
@@williamkhumalo5325 sounds like jealousy bro...
you are beautifully and wonderfully mixed xoxo
William Khumalo of course we’ll deny being black cause we aren’t were coloured
Loved this. For me personally, I just like being coloured. I'm neither white nor black. My ancestry is Griqua. Most don't even know or understand the term which is ok. It's just easier to say I'm coloured and essentially, that's what I am. Though, I also deal with some coloured people thinking I'm not coloured enough because I went to a different school and because my mom decided it was a good idea to only teach me English 🤣 But I love my race. Whatever we decide to identify as.
Joelle Raphael I’m half Griqua as well, I agree it’s just easier to say coloured.
Coloureds need to stop thinking that speaking English and being educated makes you less coloured.
So, is coloured a race?
Griqua is not a specific nation that come from a certain place ; that tipe of nation does not exist . It is just coloureds slaves in Namibia who decided they do not want be called coloureds. So they changed they name to Griqua in the late 1890.
All of us coloureds including the Namibian coloureds are Muslim slaves ; Asian slave ; East Africa slaves ; Zanzibar slaves Madagascar slaves ; Mauritius slaves ; West African mix with Khoi-San slaves. These nations are your uncestors not Griqua. Our uncestors arived hear 1600 with Dutch slave masters at the Capetown Slave Lodge.
@@peterfrancis3865 she's said griqua 🤦🏽♀️ they from adam de kok they 🇿🇦 they mixed from 🇲🇬 cushit and hottentots. Nama people r 🇳🇦
I'm colored and proud of it. Nothing to be ashamed of. My diversity makes me who I am
Well only South recognized coloured.
To me u are raceless😂😂 cos colored ain't race
@@akanni2889 heal. So much hatred! Why does her colouredness bother you? Are you jealous of her being mixed?😂😂😂
@@joe_lubinda I just say colored ain't race😂😂
All this stupid shit the white people are coming with is funny
@Rich 91 how can u be man if u are half man half woman?😂😂
The fact that not all half white are also half black,half white can also be half of anything.
so what in the fuck are u talking about?
@Gods Klanof I don't understand u?
we are not black and we don’t ever need to be just as we never needed and still don’t need to be white, what we are and have always been is (African). We are from this land we are the indigenous to Africa and South Africa no matter what, The power will rest with us one day As South Africa grows more free of apartheid and the bondage the oppressors put over our eyes hearts and minds, more and more coloured people are being born and we will have one Big multicolored sea of mixed babies... We Are the definition of the rainbow nation we are the future!!! Aweh!!!!
You are partly native to Africa because you are part black. Africa is in you no matter what you do or how you want to describe it. You are also partly not native and that’s both ok. You are perfect the way you are
@@mikamiks2475 part Asian and Indian and white too
From my Dad's side, my great grandma was half white half Xhosa and she had a child (my grandpa) with a British man. Under Apartheid my grandpa was classified as coloured and he married a Xhosa women (my grandma) with San and khoi (Griqua) mixed background, but she was classified as black. My dad was raised between farms and the coloured (Northern Areas), went to coloured schools and so on. He was coloured on paper (which he would late change to black) and the rest of his siblings and their children too, but he would call himself a black man. People tend to ask me if I'm coloured and I just tell them that my dad is coloured, so...since my dad married a Xhosa women what does that make me ?
Admixture doesn't really change blackness. Millions of black South Africans have Caucasian in them without even knowing it.
South Africa was the primary pre-Suez sea route to the East since 1488.
Lots of shipwrecks and lots of settlers too.
So lots of historical admix for SA people especially living in the Cape provinces & Gauteng melting pot.
So while of course your identity is entirely up to you, none of what you described would be a reason not to categorize as black.
@@agrid2608 can I despite my lighter completion?
There is blackness in me yet also Asian and white so do I just choose my favourite or deny all of it and call myself something else?
I'm not arguing and I know it's been too long for a reply im just tryna understand my own identity
i am mixed raced my father is a cape coloured and my mother is xhosa, I growing up I was so confused by how much coloured people displaced themselves so easily and how they never claimed to be African and suck up to white people I guess that's the preference so I decided to learn towards my maternal side of being xhosa because there I am sure of my identity and can be proud of being an African,I wish colored people would first be honest with themselves first because I have seen how much they run from being African and how they wish they were white. i love how my father and part of the colored family claim that they African and the do things that are African and khoi . i don't think coloreds are discriminated against I think they want to be treated as white and negate anything black in them
NAH NOT TRUE. THEIR ANCESTRY IS 2/3 AFRICAN
Blackness is an idea, an attitude. Black is beautiful!
But we not black
@@potterhead8924 ok
@@carterpaul2688 Yeah we not black bruh
@@potterhead8924 what are you
@@carterpaul2688 I'm African coloured basically trekboers, Irish, German and Zulu mixed
I wish more people knew about us…… whenever I tell someone that I’m a South African Coloured they have know idea what I’m talking about
YOU ARE BLACK PERSON IN DENIAL, thats why nobody knows what you are talking about.
@@Drutzie you are a dom naai in denial.
Same they say we black when we coloured I'm south African too
I perfectly understand why you're having this conversation in regards to issues you're facing. I still feel compelled to say that I look forward to the day where people around the world don't worry so much about defining color/race and just see each other as people. This is a complicated topic because I do think it's perfectly normal for people to identify with and have pride in their ethnicity so I'm not necessarily saying to pretend race doesn't exist. It's just too often used as a means to divide people when I wish we could be finding common ground
Also want to be fair and acknowledge that I'm speaking as an American. All I know of race relations in Africa is what I've seen on TV and channels like this, so in no way am I trying to diminish your situation or message. I simply want to speak towards unity everywhere in the world. I hope you all can be happy however you choose to identify yourselves
Denise Newman is an absolute Queen! Love her
In my Neighborhood which is Algoa Park in PE. It is a mixed neighborhood consisting of colored people, african people and a little of white people but I can tell you that the colored and african get along to a point that we view ourselves as being one race in the Avenues and there is no language barrier we speak both xhosa and Afrikaans fluently here.
Die Xhosas praat Afrikaans? Ek vind dit moeilik om te glo.
Eventually it will be like that across south Africa. Yes, it going to take a while but its inevitable because at the end of the day coloured people & black people have more in common than they do apart. In KZN a lot of coloured people speak Zulu. Jhb is far ahead of everybody else tho. Especially with young people. Coloured, xhosa, Zulu etc.. we accept it more as a difference of cultures not race. Remember we did not choose to be separated from each other. White man stuck a pencil in our hair & pitted us against each other.
Having read up a little on how the term "coloured" came about. It says,in summary, for some Cape coloureds the paternal lineage is most from Dutch settlers and the maternal lineage mostly original African khoi-san females and as time went on the Colonial masters felt that they had to get this under control hence the labels as time went on. Apologies if I'm too vague or whatever. It's f#!ked up though because in African culture, when a woman has a child with someone of another nation or race it's like that child takes the father's lineage, whether it be mixed or not and so identify as Dutch if your dad is Dutch...there have been too many systems put in place to make us feel all unworthy and different, putting us into boxes as people feel especially as people of colour (even that description nje is just nonsense when one truly goes deep with it)
there is a history of slavery and genocide (khoi) that is part of cape coloured history, these factors contributed in the erasure of a variety of peoples (asian and african) history. Sexual violence against khoi and slave women were also rife, and it would be common for a mixed child to work on his father's fields as a slave. Todays cape coloured arent biracial, they at least 3 way of 5 way mixed
For me that is the biggest betrayal. The Afrikaners and Coloureds are half brothers. Same paternal line, different maternal line. And when South Africa was formed we could have been one people, but the whites chose racism.
Also the truth is the Afrikaners are also coloured but they don't want to believe it. In Netherlands the white people are very light and blonde. In South Africa the Afrikaans people are much darker. Darker than Europeans. Darker than the English. But in Europe the Dutch are not darker than the English.
Under apartheid coloureds were divided between white and coloured. Light Coloureds were allowed to be white.
Coloureds was all about divide and conquer. Good to see those who call themselves black and not that draconian term of coloured! 👍
As a mixed race black american(chinese/AA)....these ladies are gorgeous regardless of what they are. They would probably be considered black in America, but I certainly understand how lived experience and culture forms identity, regardless of what OTHER people want you to be.
If I may, I believe that coloured people of South Africa are beautifully mixed and made from generations of difference. Thence, there should be (to my mind), a huge pride in that uniqueness.
Constitutionally and culturally we are not considered black. So how can i think of myself as black? And the fact that my skin is practically pink its so fair, my hair is blonde and my eyes are green, doesn't help me reclaim that part of my heritage either as much as i admire black culture.
Wow! What a couple of super cuties in the beginning. Very interesting discussion.
3:38 I really enjoy this speaker's perspectives across the entire video series.
This is going to cause a lot of cognitive dissonance especially in coloured people but its a conversation that needs to occur.
My understanding of coloured is that they are mixed beautiful people.
@william Khims jealous🤣
They are mixed. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
Thank you
Just like the mestizos of Latin America :)
Iam from the Nothren Cape and I identify myself as Khoi San
Etienne Swanepoel Khoi San are black people what you just said is a nationality not a race. I am Hottentot and that for me means black for my family are from the Norther Cape and we associate with black a lot of Setswana people are Hottentot there.
why
You can run away from it as much as you want, but the San people are black. Why do you seek white approval so much?
Chester Donnelly what are they then? I've never heard of a peoples called the " light brown" people, I'm light brown myself and yet I'm black, no two ways about it, you need not forget that black people in general come in all shades, from the darkest of dark to lightskinned. If I were to go with your argument I'll say that even black SAs aren't black then since we are also considerably lighter than Ugandans for example which is absurd. You are basing blackness purely on complexion and it's deeper than that. The Khoisan are a black African people of a lighter variation.
Screaming Mimi's if I'm told I'm Chinese that doesn't make me Chinese
congratulations on what you ladies are doing, being a coloured is very challenging especially because we are such a melting pot of mixed cultures etc. as a coloured with a black surname some family has forced me to denounce myself as a coloured, but that's the whole thing, yes I identify as black but not each and every coloured can identify that way. I watched Tamera Mowry doing a dna test and she's identified as black all her life only to find out that her dna makeup is predominantly white. in that light it all depends on the coloured individuals family history and how mixed they are. my dad looks like a cape malay, my mom too but has "kroes" hair she's supposedly more coloured but my dad who is Madikoto and of Sepedi decent has straighter hair. so how do we measure who is "more" coloured? out battle has always been to be politically correct as human beings, since apartheid we have never really been recognised as a people, and that is violation to our human rights.
Coloured people are mixed race people. They have more than one race.
You know the black community would accept you but not sure White would.
@@anthonywillis7634 lol maybe some black people definitely not all of them same with white people
@@anthonywillis7634 white and black people accept me for being a coloured really. Yes there are going to be white people who dont accept, aswell as black people, but there will be those who accept
Moon Weaver77: colored is such a derogatory term in any instance.
@@anthonywillis7634 I think the black community in South Africa are only more accepting of coloured people if they are dark skinned..they don't even accept light skin black people lol
(Mixed Race) mean, 2 different race made a baby. Which mean the 'black' race and another race made baby in this case, what it mean is that the 'black' race is a race of it's own and not mixture.
It's ok to be human regardless of our ethnic backgrounds
From a Afro-Carribean perspective it is interesting because we range in shades and features but we still consider ourselves black and Carribean. We have to remeber though that all these categories were created to separate and marginalize people of color and as the actress said when black power movement is popular that is when some people will change their tune. At the end out the day you choose how you want to identify. Some will not agree and see youbas otherwise but you alone will have to live with how you identify.
I am not black or white but of mixed race with a multicultural heritage. My family are many beautiful parts of Zulu, Welsh and French ancestry and of course the many undiscovered parts. Bare in mind that there are no longer any pure race groups and if you are bold enough to discover your lineage then consider DNA testing...it will be an eye opener!
Uhhhmm yes there are . I’m 100% Sub-Saharan African. I can inbox you my results if you want. I’m not the only one either. My mum came up the same, my dad refused to pay for the test because he said he knew his lineage( he’s very stingy). I was expecting at least 1% West African or something but nope
The white part of them was by rape but there proud of it mental illness is rampant among them
Probably 𝙩𝙝𝙚𝙚 issue in our community. Different opinions for different reasons depending on how you grew up, what you were told and how other's opinions over time influences where one stands on the subject.
I identify as coloured and I identify as being part of 𝘵𝘩𝘢𝘵 mixed race community. I have never seen myself as black. And I am of this opinion, and simply so, because in my experience growing up in this country 𝘣𝘭𝘢𝘤𝘬 looks like this and 𝑐𝑜𝑙𝑜𝑢𝑟𝑒𝑑 looks like that.
I understand some who identify as black are from a more politically aware avenue.
Fact is I am from a community of people with a mixed heritage.
I'm just curious to know if you consider yourself as coloured/mixed... 𝗮𝗻𝗱 𝗯𝗹𝗮𝗰𝗸 ... do those who identify as black also consider themselves coloured/mixed...?
I like the one says Im a Black shes proud of herself...love u gal
Hi...brilliant videos...if a may suggest that you perhaps (moving forward) have a two or three videos for each topic (4 minutes or so long each) instead of one...your content is amazing and the conversation important it would be great to hear more. Your videos are great! 😊 whether you take this suggestion or not know that you have created an important and amazing dialogue. Well Done.
I identify myself with my religion and nothing else. I don't care about ethnicity.
I am from Kenya and on the streets they're referred to as "half cast" but generally considered black and speak African languages such as Kikuyu. In most cases, we have a lot of people light as them in the Bantu tribes and you identify a half cast through their hairs. They have diverse hair depending on the mixed race parents, straight black hair for Indians, Asians, middle eastern or Latinos and colored for Caucasians.
The difference in South Africa is the Coloureds are not speaking an African language and don't have African names. Coloured culture is closer to white culture.
What is half cast?
@@ladydiaspora807 half caste means biracial. South African Coloureds are not half castes.
@@frankie7529 y coloureds don't speak an African language ?
@@siyabongabhongoza939 300 years ago the white people took all the land in the Cape. They also stole all the the cattle. The defeated indigenous people had to work for the Europeans to survive. These were Dutch speaking Europeans. The indigenous people had already lost their land, cattle and way of life. Their languages were lost in most places as these "coloured" people adopted the language of their baas.
In all honesty, I find It hard to identify as black, I have tried to, and not by rapping like Snotkop or talking to the lady that helps us at home with accent. However I have learnt that it was initially based on a skin colour of which was perceived to be dark enough to be called black by Europeans versus the lighter "White" skin from their side. Call me Swazi, Khoi, Scottish, Indian , Greek , German, Mozambican and my personal favourite Mixed. I don't form part of any particular cultural aspects seen in the "black community", I do however form part of the South African culture, which in itself is multicultural. However, I, like many "light skinned/Coloured" and/or "Coloured" people unfortunately suffer from the not here nor there theory.I worked for 3 years within highly BEE and economic development environment as an analyst making sure that "Black" people benefit from outside investment and what saddened me is that slowly but surely Affirmative action has dissolved and it has become black economic empowerment, with an emphasis on the black as Iv sat in meeting where there is not room for asking, "Can we get a coloured". I have been told I'm to light of a coloured to be a black representative at times when all I wanted to do was support my fellow South African, I have been told by close friends who happen to be black that "I don't understand what it is to be black", yet I was never white nor was my family privileged, so what would they be implying. At the end of the day, only language and culture separate us in truth. Colour is a man made state of mind, yes the way light reflects off your skin might be different to mine, but in the world of the blind/deaf, Culture and Character has the only say. These are views are based on my personal experience and culture, as I am MIXED with all the Nations mentioned above. Think hard before you hate a nation or hate a culture. In a world where hate and dislike will always unfortunately exist, start hating someone for their personalized stupidity, not for there great grandfather or cousin or mother or whole nation.
Of course anything whitey says right? Lol, if white people say a dog is now a cat you'll defend that with all your life won't you? Do you look at Khoisan and see anything that resembles Europeans? You people are whitewashed it's sad
The problem is so many coloured trying to separate themself from black African who will number nearly 2 billion by 2050 they will putting self in a posi tion like the jees were in Germany with majority not likeing there supposed superior attitude
Disclaimer
I have no intent to hurt or annoy anyone in its beliefs or reasoning whatsoever; this is just for the strict purpose of sharing some explanations regarding such controversial topics - meaning Race, racism, discrimination, White supremacy, and any related aspects -.
In response to “EPISODE 3: ARE Colored PEOPLE BLACK? “
Based on your talks, I come to realize that so far, in your daily conversations, there is a mixed or diverge understanding of what is meant to be “Brown or Colored people”, or at least, is it fair to consider brown people as part of black people. Among other observations from those participants, many said that just before the local authorities stated their discriminatory rules, you, colored people and black people used to be together and therefore, I guess, having fun and enjoy a healthy life. But, from that statement and on, government officials started to enact rules that segregate against black people, and maintain that “Colored People” - which I will call brown people throughout the rest of this writing - should be separated from black neighbors and have more privileges that them. From that point in time comes to life the idea that brown people are different from black people, either because they are supposedly more capable or just because white people who were ruling the government earlier had said so. To understand this change, we need to take into perspective the idea behind this reasoning, because by saying that brown is better than black, there is room to isolate black and then start to treat black people as less human and consequently, they allow themselves to perpetuate the horrible atrocities that the apartheid era reminds anyone of you. Above all, they start to shame any brown that feels any kind of sympathy whatsoever towards the fate of those black men that are destined to be less human as it was already be the case during the slavery period. So, today if even years after the end of apartheid, you feel ashamed calling yourself or considering yourself as a black person, this is the direct consequence of apartheid manipulations and dehumanizing of black people. Let’s do a quick math, my wife and I come from a very diverse background, we are Haitian, from Haiti, she is a very light-brown, and I, brown; we are black and that’s it. We do not need any approval to call ourselves black; we come from many generations of old slaves mixed with french, Spanish, and Indian people; as a result, we could not call ourselves white which would have been a shame, because we dance like you, South African, Nigerian, and so on. We share almost all the things that make you pride of being “African” - foods, manners, literature, being descents of slaves, you name it; even though, because of ignorance and for malicious purpose, foreign people used to say that we are less black than others, this doesn’t count. It is just : Divide to conquer; doing so, they are more capable of overt racism by weakening parts of the population and make them feel better of themselves as if being closer to white people in therms of skin color is a thing at all. If anyone failed short to understand this strategy, so you’re being trapped and made a fool of oneself. I understand your suffering, but you should be aware of those things and deal with this reality. Even in the USA, there are such struggles among brown and light-brown people; they are constantly outrage by the way mainstream medias bashed black people; so needless to say, how brown people can feel intimidating to call themselves black people. Being black is not only a matter of skin color, it is also the share of a broad cultures and beliefs dated back to Africa, which in the end make us pride of ourselves. For disclosure, I’m not saying that skin color isn’t essential, but it isn’t the only aspect.
Be proud of yourself and I love you all, my fellows African.
I remember I was sitting with a old coloured man and he said to me lot of coloured people are ashamed of of being called black and he said to me, and i have seen this, he said when u go in to coloured people houses u will see old picture of old white women or man and they would say that is they grandmothers or grandfathers but u will nave see a picture of a black man or woman.
Of course that is was the old man's experience during Apartheid. That was a very common mentality then. I remember it too as a child. Now that has completely disappeared after the awareness campaign of the struggle. Now coloured people try to find their heritage that ties them to South Africa. But that is almost impossible to find due to an absence of records.
@@jonye7511 yes u right bru that can be also true
Let's not forget about the slaves that came from India, Malaysia, etc...they are foreigners in the African continent
As a colored person, stop lying to yourselves. We are not black or white. You mix blue and yellow, you get green. Not half black and half this. I am what I am. I have roots in Europe, Africa, and the Americas. I am a something different. I am part of the cosmic race and I am proud. No one, black or white, dictates who I am . My family loves me. I have a beautiful child. I have accomplished many things in life. No one dictates what I am. Thank you God for the beautiful life I have endured. I don't what an easy life, only the strength to endure it. I don't want a happy life, but a meaningful life. Get over yourselves. This is what happened when cultures mingled, for ill or for well. Life has been good to me.
Yes we are blacks ❤ doesn't matter whether you are black coloured or white the fact is we are one people different in colours
MY mom's great-grandmother was a german colored with a dark skin complexion and that makes my grandfather colored cuz his father was black now my mom's mom is black and her father is colored and she gave birth to me and my father is black what does that make me?
I think you are both black & white and it would be difficult to identify as black instead of white or vice versa. I think coloured is a good word to identify because it sounds inclusive of both......
Wouldn't mixed race be a better description? Coloured sounds very strange to people outside South Africa.
Black Americans at one time were considered colored so sad you were where we were in 1920
@@ajs41 it's not for you. It's ours to figure out.
Also, culture plays a huge part in all of this. When people are placed in one community, they start to form a culture and that's what happened, so the term mixed race would not be reflective of a culture that was created.
@@catherinesterling1685 it's not a contest 😂 And the circumstances are different between America and South Africa
@@devoneciaswartz2026 In the United States you'd definitely get labelled as black regardless of what you want yourself, which is something I don't agree with. People should be able to choose themselves. Here in the UK you'd be more likely to be called mixed race.
Come to America they would end this debate real quick 😂😂😂😂
Word!!! Lol
Lol I see they are in denial but their ancestry is similar to that of black Americans in fact it's the same
@@angelaellendlovu6578 No, it’s not. Black Americans do not have Bantu, Khoisan and Southern/Southeastern Asian ancestry. The only ancestry Coloureds share with black Americans are Northern European. Unless you have some new alternate historical hypothesis that Americans got their slaves from Southern Africa or Asia and not Western Africa.
@@seamonster936
They are mostly of west African heritage just like most people in the Caribbean.
They (,the US.blacks) are indeed African American
@@maureenjackson2041 I’m unsure as to why you wrote this to me. My comments is clear that black Americans are of West African extraction.
Technically yes they have black genes, but today they are mixed with not only black people, but also white peole. Most people are mixed, the Boers however is a different story, religiously for a very long time they weren't and are still not allowed to mix, but in the 1900s some Yiddish jews made their way over from Eastern Europe to South Africa and mixed with the Boers that remained here under British rule after 1902, some Boers also mixed with the local Khoisan throughout their wonderful and interesting meetings. EW de Klerk is an example of having Yiddish jews in his ancestry, which shouldn't be considered white or Germanic.
Divide and conquer
Personally, I feel it should be called Mixed Raced instead of Coloured. There are so many ethnicities that make up the Coloured population. I don't think this debate is just about being black or not. There is so much more to Coloured people. No one group of Coloured people is the same as the next, just as no one group of black people is the same as the next, and the same goes with people of Asian decent. I believe the more we celebrate our diversity as people, the less we see our differences.
Nah I rather be called Coloured than mixed race.
I love being black which is the first man thank you Most High...💪🏿🙏🏿
First man is probably the San. I mean there would have been men before the San but the San still exists.
@@frankie7529 yeah San is black of course lol
@@ferdykeyz4583 San is a separate thing.
@@frankie7529 separate thing from?
@@ferdykeyz4583 separate from every other race by 100,000 years
This is like asking a Xhosa, Zulu etc person are you black. In terms of identity yes we are black Africans but In terms of cultural heritage we differ.
Question... Do "Blacks" and "Coloureds" separate themselves? Is it common to see them in relationships? In a lot of Black American families, one sibling could be considered "coloured" and another "black" with the same parents, so I'm interested in learning the dynamic between the two.
Also, is there colorism within the Coloured community? Considering that some Coloured people are darker than others, is their a lot of "self-hate?"
I hope my questions don't seem offensive. I've never heard of Coloured People so I'm asking with much respect. ♥
Its not rare too see black and colured relationships but not that common if it makes sense for where im at in the country mostly they just date within their own race/ethnicity whatever but i see it more than black and white couples
@@mynameisnotbob6369 understood. Thanks for clarifying. ❤️
I AM A COLORED MAN CAUGHT BETWEEN A DIVERSE RANGE OF AFRICAN RACIAL GROUPS IN AFRICA IN TERMS OF MY ANCESTRAL HERITAGE.
Colored man with a niggas phenotype😂😂😂😂
@Peter Tarentaal how did i diminish him?
Black is more of a culture and the SA coloureds have their own culture so it's okay they don't see themselves as black don't force them to be black. Just acknowledge your Africanness cause y'all were born in Africa and that has nothing to do with colour.
I agree with you 110%. What irritates me is black South Africans feeling offended because want to be called Coloured. Last I checked it is your basic human to call yourself whatever the fuck you want.
@@fadielbenjamin159 I've once saw a fellow black dude on FB forcing "blackness" on a Multiracial dude who actually looked Indian telling him his "black genes are dominant" bs and I just couldn't help but laugh at how someone can be so bothered by a what a person identifies as. Trust me it's all out of jealousy I know this cause I'm black. Th ones who force you to be black feel so jealous and inferior that's why they're always talking rubbish and getting butthurt. I mean white people don't force coloureds to be white. 🙄😂😂 Just be you and don't let anyone tell what you are or what you should be.!
@@joe_lubinda I agree I think it is jealousy which is sad. None of us decided to be born black, Coloured or anything else. I just want to be Coloured, I don't want to be white. Despite what others say we do have a culture and most of us are proud of it and would like to share it with others and I know we can be anti black but attacking us is not the way to create allies. The way some black people attack Coloureds are actually alienating more of us and it reinforce the belief that black people hate us.
But dude, the word black basically means African & you're African so you're also black. I will never understand why Africans would want to call themselves anything else. Africans come in all shades, were a very diverse people. What i also don't get is why all coloureds have white or Afrikaner names when alot of you'll are khoi-san, what happened to your khoi-san names? I dont mean to offend but I really am confused about it, maybe I can get some clarity.
@@senzomakhathini7493 please get your head out of your ass.
One also mustn't confuse the classifications of races in South Africa, with the classifications of races in the USA. The two are not the same. In the USA, a coloured person (or rather colored person) is black. Whereas, in South Africa, a coloured person is a different race to a black. It's like in the USA a Hispanic/Latino is not regarded as a white, but as another race. But, in South Africa such a person is regarded as a white.
At the end of the day. African influence in dance and culture stands true no matter how we identify ourselves.
Interesting, there are coloureds who have no 'black blood' so why should they identify as black? Yes my parents (I was 2 when apartheid ended) went though the struggle too but they don't see themselves as black because they(we) are not. We are coloured! We have our own culture and values which is distinct and beautiful.
So Khoi people are not black?
who said that? They arent bantu/nguni. And are naturlly light skinned almost yellow looking but what they identify with is up to them. I think they call themselves coloured but i wouldnt know im not a traditional khoi..
I'm a Motswana(from vryburg, Kuruman, Taung Postmasburg and Upington) and we come in all colors from dark brown to Yellow the thing that white people did was divide us and by saying not black the division is doing its own work and it helps no one. We are all oppressed still and we should unite under a banner of one identity
Li Snow those results are probably for all coloureds accross South Africa. Not specifically Cape Coloured. Sometimes people call all Coloureds, Cape Coloured. Cape Coloureds wont have that much bantu ancestry. There were zero, absolutely no bantus in Cape Town. Cape Coloureds would probably have more Malay and Khoi ancestry, while other coloureds not from Cape town would have more Bantu and European ancestry.
Li Snow most Coloureds have khoi ancestry but that doesnt make them black. A black person is someone that is Nguni, dark skinned with kinky hair and has African features. Coloureds dont look black and are culturally different. Khoisan people look different, have a different culuture and are genetically different to bantus. So Coloureds and Khoisans arent black.
Its a little ridiculous. If coloured ppl went anywhere else in the world, they would be classified as black. I dont even get why ppl are questioning whether Khoisan are black or not. Its simple, they are black africans; with their own culture and language, just like Tswana, Zulu etc. Ppl that still feel like they are "not black", are doing exactly what racist laws were designed to make them feel like. The fact that they speak afrikaans is very irrelevant. If you go to colombia/angola/cameroon/cuba/suriname...the people there speak spanish/portuguese/french/dutch, and they are still acknowledged as being black. Negating being black stems from your own inferiority complex as an individual/as a people. Saying you are not part of a people because they are "poor" is a stupid reason.
"Anywhere else in the world", but they were not born there, were they?
Where is this "anywhere else in the world"?
My sister lived in the US and people thought she was Latina.
Agreed
This is not true. In Brazil there is a distinction between blacks and coloured who are called "pardos". In other Latin American countries they also make distinctions between the two groups.
Even in the US, coloured is confused with Latinos.
1. I am human
2. My race is black (but not according to my government)
3. My culture is coloured
4. My tribe if relevant is Eastern Cape Coloured.
If I should define myself. If you not coloured, please dont define me on my behalf. This is annoying.
For those who are of mixed race and dont define yourself as anything, thats fine. As long as you dont force your opinions on others and in the process belittle anyone else for their race, you be you.
I am sick of ppl who are not coloured defining how I should feel.
I've been trying to explain this to Coloureds for a while now. We are racially black (we have black ancestry) and culturally Coloured.
This conversation can also make us look confused. Why do we have to identify as black or white??. I love being coloured/mixed race. We need to accept who we are. If we can accept it then we will rule the world. Thats just my opinion
I am so happy we don't have this problem in west Africa.Yes we have some mixed people here but we all know that we are all Africans and blacks are the original west Africans. I never knew how good we had it .until I started looking at how other Africans were. Thank God
Lol You guys are lucky out there
@@QuotesFromTheMotherland she isn’t west african. She is an american. U have to pay attention to how they talk and no west african would be bothered by mixed race people identifying as mixed race. It’s almost obvious she is black american.
Dis net vir my so hartseer dat mens nie in ons land mag se wat mens rerig voel nie. "It is heartbreaking that we cannot express yourself in this country: they will fine you or go to jail if you say anything they don't like
If someone wearing a white shoe and a black shoe. Would you then say: "What a nice pair of black shoes you are wearing?"
Coloured are beautiful, Look at those girls how beautiful they are without using any makeup, without using any expensive cloth, without them using any false hair, any plastic hair, any hair extension, without using any powder to make them beauty, without using any product to make them having brown chocolate colour because their colour already like chocolate, they don't have to go to the sun to make their color to be brownish because their color is already brownish like chocolate.
Coloured is what the colonizer came with that....
No one come up with a better word that everyone can agree on. So I think we're stuck with the word coloured.
@@chesterdonnelly1212 true
The term coloured was originally given to the Khoi and San to divide them from other blacks just because they had a yellow skin tone...eventually majority of them had children with whites Asian and Indian now the look more European but didn’t change the name made their own culture and so on
True. As long as whites come with it's all fine....
This is interesting because in America you would be Black or of mixed race meaning black and white. Or whatever your father is no matter the complexion of your skin. Coloured is considered a derogatory term in America from slavery.
Why do you feel the need to tell us about America? There are something like 200 countries in the world and each one has a different way of classifying people by ethnic group.
The American system makes no logical sense. You think Portuguese are white but Spanish are Hispanic.
@@frankie7529 I think she is just letting you know how the word differs in America. Yes alot of Illogical stuff goes on in my country but I'm sure lack of logic can and has been an issue in every country dont you think?
@@ladydiaspora807 everyone knows about America. It's not interesting.
@@frankie7529 You know all about America 🤗👍🏽 hooray. Where are you from?
@@ladydiaspora807 Cape Town
Egypt Perez I have roots from the Caribbean and some of them are From Trinidad.
In the Census last year, there was a debate on where mixed tribe or race children should be placed but I guess it was settled on the Father of child. For mixed race born in Kenya I guess they assign them the tribe of the Kenyan parent.
I am coloured , raised in a black community .. I dnt mind being refered to as black ..
I definitely think that coloured people are African. Also, what is the difference between coloured and mixed race? Does coloured imply a certain culture? A certain joint history? Personally as someone who identifies as coloured, I do think there is some unique similarities culturally between coloured people. Although we are certainly very heterogenous and diverse.
They speak usually in Afrikaans, same way as the Afrikaners, and their names are also European. They don´t have much "African" left.
Ethnically, the majority of Coloured people are of mixed White European, Black Bantu African and Khoisan ethnicity. So they are definitely not Black and definitely not only African in terms of ethnicity, culture and thus identity.
@@motionenergy808 What the voting patterns in the Elections say about Coloureds is that they feel closer to Afrikaners (the majority who speak Afrikaans) so they vote mostly to the Democratic Alliance which is mainly white.
They are Africans they are fake Africans
they are not
Question.... If we are biracial or mixed race and this question comes up, why is it never asked if we consider ourselves white?
Is it fine to mix White with Black and still be Black but Black mixed with White cannot be White?
Serious question, is it because this is Africa? Is it because of our skin tone, because some of us, including myself, are light skinned.
Im not asking because would rather be considered white, its just something im wondering.
I would proudly accept the title Black if a black person ever considered me one of their own, but even my closest colleagues and friends has let it slip that coloured, esp afrikaans coloureds, are beneath them. Someone online even told my best friend that we are worse than white people.
So, from my own experience, yes we do have a rich heritage stretching all the way back to the original natives of Southern Africa, we were, by law, segregated from our black ancestors and ended up forming our own group along with its own traditions and lifestyles. The fact that it was because of segregation, does not change the fact that it is so.
And if we shouldn't take pride in the term Coloured, since it was something European Settlers gave us, then shouldn't the term Black also be unacceptable?
This is a very interesting topic
Okay, I believe that if someone is biracial (white and black) the person should be proud of being both, you know? It's like they can not claim "I am white" without claiming they are black because they're both
@@helissarmento2280 indeed. But what im saying is, you can be considered Black if your biracial. That's acceptable. But you cannot be considered white. Its like saying African can be diluted with Caucasian and still be considered African but if Caucasian is diluted with African, cant be Caucasian anymore. Basically you must be pure white to be considered white.
@@obsidian8180 now that you're saying, it's a fact you know
@@obsidian8180 But, white south Africans have African and Asian admixture, and they're still white
A very interesting discussion, the key origin mustbe firstand foremost that colourd is a classification derived from the colonial past to identifie us. As descendents from the khoi griekwa first indiginous ppl we need not ask are we black or white we are neithe. yes history has fragmented us into all sorts of categories to suit the cruel ruthless history, but in todays society the colourd is a race n its own classified on the z83 form of the very same nc government that we voted for. focus should be shifted to how unique we realy are and the traditions music language and yes culture we as colourds have. we dont need to latch on to a black xhosa zulu or venda tradition we are african yes but as colourds its high time we must stand tall and demand equal status as all the other black cultures. especially to dress the future generations of colourds still struggling with an identity crisis.
I stand with you. Lets also clarify that the Khoi, the Griqua etc are an ethnic group and not a racial group. I'm Zulu and Zulu is not "black culture" its a tribe. Being Black is a racial classification based solely on the color of your skin(and yes a derogatory term for others). Your Identity crisis can be resolved. Use us as your gateway to help trace back your African ancestry, there are ways, and we do also encourage you to trace your other ancestry too. We've never forsaken you. we've never been against you.
i am coloured
No; Coloured people are mixed-race (multiracial) and I don't consider biracial/multiracial people as black racially, yet black socially.
But biologically yes, they are black.
@@helissarmento2280 biologically and genetically coloured people are mixed
@@andreakoeries7230 yhea but for example.: zendaya. She's biracial half black-half white, so all I'm saying is that she's biologically black, her father is black.
The same applies to all mixed (with black) people.
@@helissarmento2280 you’re confused. if someone is half black and half white that makes them biologically black and white. i think what you mean to say is socially or politically black
My father is white & my mother is black, that doesn't make me white nor black, I'm coloured and I like my color, I'm coloured same as the coloured Collin Power who was the 1st non white US Army General & General Secretary of United States of America who open the doors for black people to have some voice in the world today, I'm coloured same as the coloured Barak Obama who was the first non white president of united States of America who made history in the World as a non white and gave power to black people to have integrity in the world, I'm coloured same the coloured Bob Marley who had reinforce rasta culture all over the world who brought Reggae Music all over the world which everyone dances and enjoy, I'm coloured same as many famous people in US which they are been called blacks but they are not they are coloureds, I'm proud to be coloured and I'm proud to have Chocolate colour I don't have to go to the SUN or to the beach to have brownish colour because my color is already brown & beautiful like chocolate I don't have to rub any kind of product on my body to have light skin I don't have to put brown powder on my phase to be beauty because I already have the perfect colour, I'm coloured and I'm very proud of my colour and I prefer to coloured.
Coloured people are neutral because of their colour skin they fit between Arabs, they fit between Asians which are half of the population of the world, they fit between North Africa people because North Africa people have the same colour as coloureds, they fit between Russians because North of Russia people have the same colour as coloureds, they fit between Brazilians because 85% of Brazilians are Coloureds, they fit between South of American people because they have the same color as coloured & the list cares on, be proud of yourselves put your selves together and realize once more that more than Half of the World have the same colour "coloured".
Colin power Jamaican ancestry doesn't identify as colured but black
@@johnroach1101 I never saw a black man /with a white father or white mother, the same way they have black ancesters it's the same way they have white ancestas
@@nelo1961 I think that 50-60% of Brazilians are mixed-race (European, African and Native Brazilian). 30-35% white (mostly Portuguese and Italian, some are germans, Slavs and Spaniard). 4-5% Black (More than 50% African, mostly Congolese/Angola or West African, with Portuguese and Native Brazilian admixture), 2-3% are Native Brazilian, and 1% is Japanese. I know I don't have to write it here but I liked the idea.
We are mixed raced, we are not black, not white, middle eastern or indian, we all in some way or another are mixed race and being coloured is not a race its a culture because clearly we are not a race. Our history may dispute many things but we have a rightful place in Africa due to our Khoi and San ancestry as well as European descent and lineage, the Khoisan were the original inhabitants and the Europeans the conquerors both have legitimate entitlement to the land therefore we are a legitimate people constitutionally and historically.
The debate should be are coloured people human and the answer is simple YES! end of story, any more explanation beyond this is madness.
Spot on!
You are highly intelligent
not according to black people, coloured people might as well be white according to the ANC... as a white person I think coloured people are coloured people, they should embrace that, what's wrong with being coloured? it's another piece in the puzzle. yo cannot complete a puzzle without all its pieces.
Carlon Geswint nothing says it like a coloured "POES!!!"
LAAAAWDD THEY LOOK PRETTY
I am a coloured,that's the classification the current and the apartheid government gave us. In other parts of the world we are classified as mixed race. We came from a Khoi background or a mixture of the white people that settled here in the 1600's-1850's combined with Khoi and the black people.
Colourd people are not Black neither are they White. All nations hv tribes and we are a Coloured Tribe. There are racist people in every nation and tribe because of us all beibg divided. Coloureds hv never ruled any country they did not course Rule and Divide. Its a shame people cannit embrace these coloureds (their grandchildren) and see the good and wonderful side to them. These coloureds have many gifts to offer to our African famlys if only they are invited in and given the chance which they never ever were given. This colour issue is the Root of all problems we can fight eachother till the cows home, at the end of the Day Its Only God who can answer Why Coloureds were Created So everyone Ask God.
My grandma is coloured she identify herself as black
I'm colored I identify as colored
We are a mix so we are special.But I have a question...If my mother and father a both half black and half coloured...what does that make me....?
a half coloured idiot
Carlon Geswint rude!Why do you have to say idiot.
You are black my angel
@qwecy she's mostly black and in our world if you look black people will see you as such. In S. A. if she looks ambiguous people will accept her as Coloured, if she looks straight up black people will accept her as black. So she would be black irrespective of her genetic makeup.
@qwecy and I see her name is Ondela Mazana. So in S. A. at least she would be black even if she looked mixed because of her name and surname.
I dig what Captain Beefheart said: "We're all colored, or we wouldn't be able to be seen."
I love Captain Beefheart. We played a Captain Beefheart song at my father's funeral. The song "Glad".
we are coloureds , we aren't black and we dont have any tribal affiliation.
i love the red hair on the drag queen.
Im black.. people would mistaken me as a coloured but im not....my hubby is indian...our kids are...i think coloured...but they hate being called coloured they wanna be callled black...even in their school form i choose the black race...so tell me am i wrong
Im confused please help....
Your children r mixed race, coloured is a generational thing bc u get coloureds that can point to their grandparents and say they coloured whereas in your case ur kids have no coloured family, then for me that cant be cladified as coloured bc coloureds r cultural
So before even apartheid came the was no coloured it was black & white up until apartheid arived then tht was the start of coloured term wow i didnt know tht its so intresting wow every day you learn new things
Shout out to those coloureds who claim their blackness ♥
I'm proud to be mixed race and I'm not black
You cannot be coloured and black at the same time. What is 'Black" anyway....those identify themselves are politically indoctrinated. Black against white....wake up...
Very honourable
#Brown indigenous aboriginal people, Facts #Marshall Lakay
Im coloured i claim my saxon whiteness. My family is coloured. Brown hair. Blonde hair. Red/brown. Blue or brown eyes. Some pale some tanned.
Its weird. Why cant things just be black and white. Pardon the pun 😅
Lol I'm sure the title alone angered Coloured people😂😂😂
Nope. It intrigued and encouraged me. I thought "Are they really going to talk about the silent elephant in the room!? Finally..."
Most coloured people get angry but some few actually are embracing their Americanism
Ek is nie swart nie 😡🖕🏽
In the USA, there are no colored people (that is an outmoded term and is pejorative, meaning a black person who is a sellout). I think many of these folks in the video are just considered black or African American (means the same thing). The USA says if you're partially African American you're African American. However, some may be regarded as mixed or biracial or "looks Latino." Still, if a group is chosen by society, it's black or African America. South Africa is a different culture altogether.
They are not black
@@liampetersen7548 How do you define "black"?
@@benjaminsmith2287 their mixed they have a bit of black DNA in them
@@liampetersen7548 Some certainly look like black people, others more like dark Berbers. I would guess mixture varies. They have a different type of culture but then people in the Sahel often have a different culture than those in savanna areas.
Check out this video I made. It tries to explities of the term Coloured in SA
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Yes they are!!!or at least I think they are!