It's funny, because "okruch" (the 'c' is silent) means a "crumb" (as in "a bread crumb") in Polish xD. So the Prauge okruh in it's current state is really a crumb of a ring road ;)
That's funny, not as funny as polish saying "I'm looking for children in the basement" :-) Fun times for me learning my first Slavic language while in Prague. I love it
I wish you luck. Here in the Munich area, the outer ring is still unfinished, 90 years after it was planned (around 1935), and will possibly stay this way. It took 70 years to build the three quarters of the autobahn ring we have now.
Huh.. Surprised the Nazis didn't build out the Autobahn ring of Munich, since that city had quite some historical importance for Hitler and the Nazis..
Such an interesting video. I would love to visit this part of Central Europe. If you want to see motorway tunnel corruption on an absolutely colossal scale, look at all the tunnels under Sydney. They're like something you would see in Tokyo, despite Sydney only having six million inhabitants. Hello from Australia :)
Great video, I have just three small notes: Small note on subject of ringroads. They were already being build in 19th century in place of city walls, perhaps moste important in regard to Czech Lands is Ringstrasse in Vienna. I would say that Strakonická and Průmyslová fall under definition of stroad. It sounds better to call long highway bridges a viaduct, especially then they carry highway over the land.
Great video! Just one correction - Prumyslova is not part of the Mestsky okruh. It serves as its substitute, but when Mestsky okruh is finished, the eastern part will not be this far east.
Thanks for the correction! With the pace the construction is going, I wouldn't be surprised if Průmyslová actually becomes part of the Městský Okruh 💀💀💀💀
Thank you so far for your interesting details, but I still dont understand, why the Czech government still didnt finished the outer highway ring of Prague. Do they still work on it or is the project completely cancelled? And why?
It isn't canceled per se, they "want" to build it, but there's certainly a lack of political will + NIMBYs are doing everything in their power to stop it
Thank you, but the traffic in Prague is heavy, anyone who tranzit Prague knows that, as you said, all the big european capitals finished their highway belt - except of Prague and Bucharest, but in Bucharest they build now heavy on it. I wish Prague to finish their project, would be great. 😃✌🏼
I read somewhere that outside to outside traffic is only 3 % of traffic at magistrala, so if it disappears thanks to the new outer ring road, absolutely nobody would notice. But it would make some difference on the inner ring, at least temporarily until traffic is induced again to previous levels. I also feel there are some potential for sequels to this video like the Nimbys in Suchdol or how Zakos was eventually turned down (could include some engineers starring in this epic hero fight).
It could be possible, but still I wouldn't say it won't help. Firstly in some cases it would be faster to take the longer route. Secondly, when finished, Prague can introduce a toll for entering the city by a car, therefore motivating people to use public transportation and limiting cars in the city center.
Such a toll has been proposed for the city center, and the reaction was about what you'd expect from Prague car-brains www.idnes.cz/praha/zpravy/praha-centrum-vjezd-ridici-auta-poplatek-doprava-magistrat.A231116_135807_praha-zpravy_sdlk
Würzburg, Germany also has a „ring road“. Though it‘s more like an „always congested 3/4 ring“.. and coincidentally, most people want to go to the quarter of the city not served by the ring.. which means you‘ll have to either drive all the way around clock-wise… or drive through the congested center. Würzburg was mostly demolished during 1945… and city and traffic planners seemed to have been seething misanthropes.
7:13 This intersection is so confused. On the one hand, it is a large awesome roundabout, but on the other hand, it is such a hopeless solution. In the east, it is supposed to be a highway but it looks like a wide local road. And this is an animal crossing 200 meters from the tunnel. And this planned junction in place of these unused viaducts. And tunnels where one has 2 and the other 3 lanes. This is too much for one place. I have the impression that in planning phase engineers have said "yes" a few times too many. But despite everything, I am delighted with this intersection
Nice video ! I have to say that, in general transport infrastructures have some serious delays from the time they were, conceived, built and made operative. In my country I can say that there is usually a ten year delay since, the project is needed to its approval and thirty years for funding and execution. Sometime I wonder, given that timeframe, if all the planned structured do still make sense. If we use the "thirty year delay model" the plans that are coming ready now would be the ones made the last years of the previous millennium. Since then a lot of things have changed and I can say quite a bit on that. My family is international, Polish. from my mother side Italian from my father one and we were used to go on holidays from Italy to Poland and reverse by car (apr. 1000km 18h / 20h ride per direction) I wanted to write how it was but I realised that how long is that and how useless it would be for the main purpose of the discussion. The main gist is none of those rides are any more necessaire, we do all with cheap flights, we buy any international products that we like on the main international chains (Lidl, Carrefour, Tesco etc.) and all the particular local products that we like can be purchased online. If we consider that also freight is increasingly moving by plane or train, or disappearing ,just immagine how many appliances disappeared with the rise of iPhones (watch, alarm clock, calendars, radios, books , cameras, maps...) So I am still wondering if do all of this motorway still make economic and logistic sense ore are just something that a time ago an we continue with the logic "you started and you have to finish it".
Glad you liked the video! And about the thirty year delay.. From my personal (as of now still uneducated) opinion, I think that certain pieces of road infrastructure (like ring roads) will still be used in the future, and thus, should be built Although it could be argued that high speed rail construction, and railway stubs to warehouses should be priorized over highway construction..
@@TheTramly I've seen some videos of future projects for High Speed railways released by SŽ. It would be nice to make a video about the future plans for high speed rails in CZ.
It definitely makes sense to complete the inner ring road…but the outer ring road - wouldn’t it just promote more suburban sprawl and induced traffic. Instead, investments in transit solutions - a regional rail network (if Prague has one???) is the only proven way to reduce traffic on a regional level. More roads and more lanes only induces more driving.
Inner ring is just a higway through dense urban area. It's not a ring around Prague, but a ring in the Prague. Outer ring is a part of Czech higway system and actually goes around Prague. So I think the outer ring makes sense, because it's necessary part of CZ highway system and inner ring shouldn't exist because it just induces traffic inside city.
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It's 2024. Nobody in a developed country needs to build any more roads. edit (having watched the video, expecting a big "BUT"): I'm amazed you touched and acknowledged the part with induced demand of the tunnel built in 2015, but you don't realize that the "missing" ring road project will experience the same effects. Periphery to periphery traffic can easily be handled by the existing road network. Massively expanding those will increase car traffic volumes long term which will spread to connected parts of the network. I presume all of the negative effects of traffic are known to you. Only effective ways to reduce car traffic is increase public transport speeds and frequency, increase the attractiveness of stations and reachability by especially walking, expand safe cycling infra into a connected network, but most easily, reduce car speeds, car lanes and reduce avaliability of parking, especially in the city proper, in favor of space for pedestrians and greenery. Really quite simple actually.
That is true, however, I believe that some level of car traffic (mostly trucks carrying cargo and such) will probably always exist Building proper road connections that would route that traffic away from the city and towards its periphery would in my opinion improve the quality of life of the citizens but other than that, I agree that way more investment needs to be made in transit, most prominently rail
Building ring roads who avoid transit in cities is still great but yeah building highways inside cities or anything that helps going faster in the city is a no of course
People in Prague are super delusional about the Ring Roads. They won't fix traffic, objectively speaking, they will make it worse. Only about 14% of the traffic through the city center is actually traffic going through. The rest of the trips begin in Prague and end in Prague, and the ring roads will only bring more cars into the city (induced demand, suburban sprawl), which is already infested too much with cars. But I am looking forward to Pražský Okruh completion, I love infrastructure.
If there is anything bringing more traffic to Prague, it is the radial design of motorway network in Bohemia, D0 then will serve as connecting piece. Alternative to that would by "Grand Bohemian Ringroad" which would be connecting all the motorways much further from Prague, but that project is only proposal for distant future. Other option would be something connecting D8, D10 and D11 and possibly some southern "motorway" connecting Brno and Pilsen.
@@ivanjanjic8762 That is not the only thing btw. The inner ring is also not finished. That would take out a huge amount of traffic that is from Prague.
Unfinished Prague! I love it❤
Every country needs their own version of Jay Foreman!
I'm actually a fan of Jay Foreman, he make great stuff!
I love to see Prague progressing, yet the real ring I'm waiting for is the circular, "O" metro line... We'll get there, Praha.
I hope we'll get there🫡
but to be honest at this pace I'll make a video riding the D line, let alone the O line from a retirement home💀💀
Great to see local perspective from Czechia. Thanks for the video!
It's funny, because "okruch" (the 'c' is silent) means a "crumb" (as in "a bread crumb") in Polish xD. So the Prauge okruh in it's current state is really a crumb of a ring road ;)
hahaha, Czech and Polish language shenanigans 🤝🤝
it's like when we joke about "droga" in Polish, which means drug (as in cocaine or similar) in Czech
@@TheTramly Yea, lots of false friends. I heard it's better not to look for anything (szukać) in Czechia ;)
Czech okruh is quite obviously related to Polish okrąg or "ring/circle".
That's funny, not as funny as polish saying "I'm looking for children in the basement" :-) Fun times for me learning my first Slavic language while in Prague. I love it
I wish you luck. Here in the Munich area, the outer ring is still unfinished, 90 years after it was planned (around 1935), and will possibly stay this way. It took 70 years to build the three quarters of the autobahn ring we have now.
Huh.. Surprised the Nazis didn't build out the Autobahn ring of Munich, since that city had quite some historical importance for Hitler and the Nazis..
love to czechia from poland, we also have problems with comunication ❤
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Díky!! Pokračovat určitě budu, doufám že se to chytí, bylo by fajn kdybych tohle mohl dělat jako práci počas vysoký školy
Thanks for the video, the history aspect was super interesting!
I'm glad you liked it!
interesting video. I have watched 1 or 2 videos on the same subject, but this one had great visuals.
I'm glad you enjoyed the video!
Such an interesting video. I would love to visit this part of Central Europe. If you want to see motorway tunnel corruption on an absolutely colossal scale, look at all the tunnels under Sydney. They're like something you would see in Tokyo, despite Sydney only having six million inhabitants. Hello from Australia :)
I'm glad you liked the video!
looks like corruption in massive infrastructure projects isn't exclusive to post-communist central and eastern Europe💀💀💀
Good video 👍🏼
Thank you!
Great video, I have just three small notes:
Small note on subject of ringroads. They were already being build in 19th century in place of city walls, perhaps moste important in regard to Czech Lands is Ringstrasse in Vienna.
I would say that Strakonická and Průmyslová fall under definition of stroad.
It sounds better to call long highway bridges a viaduct, especially then they carry highway over the land.
I'm glad you liked the video, and thank you for the feedback!
Great video! Just one correction - Prumyslova is not part of the Mestsky okruh. It serves as its substitute, but when Mestsky okruh is finished, the eastern part will not be this far east.
Thanks for the correction! With the pace the construction is going, I wouldn't be surprised if Průmyslová actually becomes part of the Městský Okruh 💀💀💀💀
Hey man, very cool video :))
Thank you so much!
Thanks to those rings, Prague has more road tunnels by total length than the rest of the country.
Thank you so far for your interesting details, but I still dont understand, why the Czech government still didnt finished the outer highway ring of Prague. Do they still work on it or is the project completely cancelled? And why?
It isn't canceled per se, they "want" to build it, but there's certainly a lack of political will + NIMBYs are doing everything in their power to stop it
Thank you, but the traffic in Prague is heavy, anyone who tranzit Prague knows that, as you said, all the big european capitals finished their highway belt - except of Prague and Bucharest, but in Bucharest they build now heavy on it. I wish Prague to finish their project, would be great. 😃✌🏼
I read somewhere that outside to outside traffic is only 3 % of traffic at magistrala, so if it disappears thanks to the new outer ring road, absolutely nobody would notice. But it would make some difference on the inner ring, at least temporarily until traffic is induced again to previous levels. I also feel there are some potential for sequels to this video like the Nimbys in Suchdol or how Zakos was eventually turned down (could include some engineers starring in this epic hero fight).
It could be possible, but still I wouldn't say it won't help. Firstly in some cases it would be faster to take the longer route. Secondly, when finished, Prague can introduce a toll for entering the city by a car, therefore motivating people to use public transportation and limiting cars in the city center.
Such a toll has been proposed for the city center, and the reaction was about what you'd expect from Prague car-brains
www.idnes.cz/praha/zpravy/praha-centrum-vjezd-ridici-auta-poplatek-doprava-magistrat.A231116_135807_praha-zpravy_sdlk
Würzburg, Germany also has a „ring road“. Though it‘s more like an „always congested 3/4 ring“.. and coincidentally, most people want to go to the quarter of the city not served by the ring.. which means you‘ll have to either drive all the way around clock-wise… or drive through the congested center.
Würzburg was mostly demolished during 1945… and city and traffic planners seemed to have been seething misanthropes.
7:25 True xD
Very real
Yeah, I am still laughing :D
Elon's ego doesn't like this video.
real
no tesla tunnels here, unlucky
@@TheTramly Yeah, so Boring.
7:13 This intersection is so confused. On the one hand, it is a large awesome roundabout, but on the other hand, it is such a hopeless solution. In the east, it is supposed to be a highway but it looks like a wide local road. And this is an animal crossing 200 meters from the tunnel. And this planned junction in place of these unused viaducts. And tunnels where one has 2 and the other 3 lanes. This is too much for one place. I have the impression that in planning phase engineers have said "yes" a few times too many. But despite everything, I am delighted with this intersection
I agree that I felt a little bit nervous driving through there haha
it's like a spaghetti web of just roads
It looks like a bad attempt at parclo-turbine intersection with crossing merges. Turbine intersection is there to eliminate this
I don't think there is a word in English to desribe this intersection [facepalm].
nice
nice
Nice video
Thank you!
Nice video !
I have to say that, in general transport infrastructures have some serious delays from the time they were, conceived, built and made operative.
In my country I can say that there is usually a ten year delay since, the project is needed to its approval and thirty years for funding and execution.
Sometime I wonder, given that timeframe, if all the planned structured do still make sense.
If we use the "thirty year delay model" the plans that are coming ready now would be the ones made the last years of the previous millennium.
Since then a lot of things have changed and I can say quite a bit on that.
My family is international, Polish. from my mother side Italian from my father one and we were used to go on holidays from Italy to Poland and reverse by car (apr. 1000km 18h / 20h ride per direction) I wanted to write how it was but I realised that how long is that and how useless it would be for the main purpose of the discussion.
The main gist is none of those rides are any more necessaire, we do all with cheap flights, we buy any international products that we like on the main international chains (Lidl, Carrefour, Tesco etc.) and all the particular local products that we like can be purchased online.
If we consider that also freight is increasingly moving by plane or train, or disappearing ,just immagine how many appliances disappeared with the rise of iPhones (watch, alarm clock, calendars, radios, books , cameras, maps...)
So I am still wondering if do all of this motorway still make economic and logistic sense ore are just something that a time ago an we continue with the logic "you started and you have to finish it".
Glad you liked the video!
And about the thirty year delay..
From my personal (as of now still uneducated) opinion, I think that certain pieces of road infrastructure (like ring roads) will still be used in the future, and thus, should be built
Although it could be argued that high speed rail construction, and railway stubs to warehouses should be priorized over highway construction..
@@TheTramly I've seen some videos of future projects for High Speed railways released by SŽ. It would be nice to make a video about the future plans for high speed rails in CZ.
existuje 3. pražský (aglomerační) okruh - silnice II/101 a je celý dokončený
And it actually works pretty well anyway 😂
I mean.. It does, but it could work better
It definitely makes sense to complete the inner ring road…but the outer ring road - wouldn’t it just promote more suburban sprawl and induced traffic.
Instead, investments in transit solutions - a regional rail network (if Prague has one???) is the only proven way to reduce traffic on a regional level. More roads and more lanes only induces more driving.
Inner ring is just a higway through dense urban area. It's not a ring around Prague, but a ring in the Prague.
Outer ring is a part of Czech higway system and actually goes around Prague.
So I think the outer ring makes sense, because it's necessary part of CZ highway system and inner ring shouldn't exist because it just induces traffic inside city.
I think you should include more numbers or info about future of the okruh. Going And ancually driving there is great addition tho
Could've done that.. Thanks for the feedback!
@@TheTramly on the other hand the video is done in such a way there is a room for part 2 😊
I love me some good ring roads, my birth city has three of them and it's pretty much the reason why it's easy to get around here
Ring roads are great for a lot of things, in my opinion!
Muskovo ego je větší než celá Praha.
souhlasím 💀
Babiš be talkin but he aint no doin shit my man Tramly. Here in Vienna we have much better Ringstrasse
Post-communist country moment🫡
i wonder how would Prague, and czechia in general look like if Patton made it to Prague first in 1945
@@TheTramly I am afraid that it would be the same, the main issue, IMHO ,was the president Beneš.
Fucking Paroubek!
real
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It's 2024. Nobody in a developed country needs to build any more roads.
edit (having watched the video, expecting a big "BUT"):
I'm amazed you touched and acknowledged the part with induced demand of the tunnel built in 2015, but you don't realize that the "missing" ring road project will experience the same effects. Periphery to periphery traffic can easily be handled by the existing road network. Massively expanding those will increase car traffic volumes long term which will spread to connected parts of the network.
I presume all of the negative effects of traffic are known to you.
Only effective ways to reduce car traffic is increase public transport speeds and frequency, increase the attractiveness of stations and reachability by especially walking, expand safe cycling infra into a connected network, but most easily, reduce car speeds, car lanes and reduce avaliability of parking, especially in the city proper, in favor of space for pedestrians and greenery.
Really quite simple actually.
That is true, however, I believe that some level of car traffic (mostly trucks carrying cargo and such) will probably always exist
Building proper road connections that would route that traffic away from the city and towards its periphery would in my opinion improve the quality of life of the citizens
but other than that, I agree that way more investment needs to be made in transit, most prominently rail
Building ring roads who avoid transit in cities is still great but yeah building highways inside cities or anything that helps going faster in the city is a no of course
@@manu.yt25 question is what you consider highway.
People in Prague are super delusional about the Ring Roads. They won't fix traffic, objectively speaking, they will make it worse. Only about 14% of the traffic through the city center is actually traffic going through. The rest of the trips begin in Prague and end in Prague, and the ring roads will only bring more cars into the city (induced demand, suburban sprawl), which is already infested too much with cars. But I am looking forward to Pražský Okruh completion, I love infrastructure.
Vychodni strana mestskeho okruhu by vyresila mnoho.
If there is anything bringing more traffic to Prague, it is the radial design of motorway network in Bohemia, D0 then will serve as connecting piece. Alternative to that would by "Grand Bohemian Ringroad" which would be connecting all the motorways much further from Prague, but that project is only proposal for distant future. Other option would be something connecting D8, D10 and D11 and possibly some southern "motorway" connecting Brno and Pilsen.
14% decrease would massively improve traffic because traffic slows down exponentially with the number of vehicles
@@ivanjanjic8762 That is not the only thing btw. The inner ring is also not finished. That would take out a huge amount of traffic that is from Prague.
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