The rifle chosen is absolutely correct as far as our requirements are concerned, which are for a "mass produced" rifle. We can at any time upgrade a small percentage of these rifles with UBGLs, additional picatinny rails, scopes, adjustable butts or any other add-on. 🙏
Most of the countries that developed these have either been in wars or cold wars. They have been making guns for decades now. A robust defence manufacturing industry is usually born out of necessity. Our current scenario with China and pakistan on our borders and an active government have finally given us the much needed push to create a robust indigenous defence industry.
Firstly the design is extraordinarily brilliant. Secondly even if we want to make original designs like Kalashnikovs the chances of success are less and manufacturing secrets or processes are not easily shared. But our industry people know a lot of these secrets but cannot replicate without robust government help. The reforms of ordnance factory board will help industry to partner and in next few decades we can expect exceptional rifles or totally Indian origin from design to manufacturing. We are primarily limited by lack of an ecosystem and boost in defence but that is going to change forever now.
@@rohan1748 India's problems stem from corruption within defence procurement and reliance on its state owned defence industries. India needs to encourage defence firms to invest in research and development within India the same way Russia, the United States, Germany, Israel, and Turkey does.
@@logansowers1674 private players won't throw in money unless they know they'll have some returns. They're not dumb to invest in research for 1 or 2 years and make better equipment over foreign companies who've been investing in R n D since first world war. They've finally received confidence after governments make in India push to invest in R n D on future defence systems and tie up with foreign entities to make current systems in India.
India has its own designed and Manufactured gun UGRAM, ASMI etc. Shame of those who make comments without knowing. It is our Army who do not want to switch to anything but sticks to AK.
@@space-mr9br Good or bad is very subjective in weapons, often it is ease of use in status quo, experience in existing machines and lack of interest in learning and experiencing new Guns. Bharat has good soldiers, so we have good scientists.
Ak203 that India has asked of is good as expected, the m4 stock can be installed by fab defense as an after market upgrade..😁🥰 Edit - Optics like Bel holographic sight, zeiss red dot, meprolight mor and falke red dot are already in the army's inventory. Indian army slowly going to become an exceptional army like USA 🇮🇳🤩
@@saiprateek5779 for now FAB ??? What is that ? Old AKs are being modified now by SSS, it has won the bidding recently. SSS will do the deal on comparatively less costs
Perfect rugged and ergonomic , reliable rifle for Indian army 👍 , adjustable stock won't help alot , also our personnels have not much experience on adjustable stock and they still prefer foldable , but still I am disappointed by removal of 203 style fire selector tab and some missing picatini rails 😐
U tripping bro? Adjustable butt-stocks are very important for a diverse army like ours where heights range for 5.1ft to 6.2ft on average. A terrible decision should not be backed by bhakti alone. Just looking at the pictures makes me want to bang my head and how are they paying bloody $900 per rifle for this piece of sh!t is out of my understanding, the P-72 were such an amazing deal, all this India-Russia friendship natak is to fill both the indians and Russian leaders and diplomats pockets, both these countries are notoriously known for corruption, this is just another proof.
What do you mean by they don't have experience . They already use FAB modded Ak clones and Sig 716. Both have an adjustable stock . For Indian soldiers it's very important as our average soldier height is little shorter than Europeans, Russians or westerns . An adjustable butt is much lighter than a fixed stock .
It's not really about the budget. It doesn't cost an arm and leg to get all the features given the kind of Defence Budget that's allocated to Army. So the talk is that Army will specially equip the bare bones rifles it gets according to the need in demand. If it's for patrolling borders, there will be one package and for Anti Terrorist operations, another. The question remains is how fast will they be equipped with these packages after the rifles are delivered.
@Ujjawal Maheshwari Still the 5000 crores for good rifles is not a single one time payment. It will be paid in tranches over the years. All Defence Equipment bills are paid in this same way. For example, we bought Apaches and Chinooks. The payment is made in batches before the next piece of equipment gets delivered.
As far as l get Picatinny rails are present on the top and the bottom of the handguard had shared by Ministry of defense ( MOD ) if we go with that you can mount any kind of sights including underbarrel greande launcher. . It's is the biggest advantage . Foldable buttstock is ok . And auto and single shot mode is not clear to me in general...
I would prefer they adopt the stock similar to the AR15 that has a recoil buffer system that allows more control and accuracy when firing. Maybe this was possible with the adjustable buttstock rather than the folding stock.
@@diablodelfuego6633 there is a buffer tube shaped stock on the AK in this video which is what you were referring to. On the AR, the buffer and buffer tube are not there to dampen the recoil, they are simply there to house the main spring and the buffer which is necessary to reduce the impact of the bolt. The AK doesn’t need a buffer tube because the main spring is stored within the receiver.
When the Indian Army was spending money, it should have taken an upgraded rifle because the assault rifle does not change every day, it would have been more correct to make a one time investment, now the Russian army included ak 15, 17 and ak 19 in its infantry. By the way, India should work on its own rifles, which we can export to other countries and would have been totally made in India.
Ak203 is a good option and we're still not capable of producing a new reliable rifle with different unique design either we'll copy Kalashnikov, Heckler and Koch, Beretta,iwi or M4 man come up with new design
Folding butstocks are generally used more in cqb envirements, which doesnt necesseraly mean urban combat, but also shooting from armed personal carriers, or other vehicles, were a long rifle without a folding buttstock would generally be cumbersome. As for the decission to purchase the ak 203 and massproduce, i think its the perfectly right choice. All the tooling is already readily available, india probably still has a surpluss of 7.62x39, also a modern infrantry grunt isnt as usefull in combat as they used to be. The game is now in vehicles, missiles, drones, anti air, Helicopters etc, something india is also working much more closely together with Russia. Most indian infantry man will do is either patrolling, peacekeeping or maybe have to occasianaly defend themself , everything other will be done either by special forces or dedicated military units. So what you as an Army General essentially want is a ifle reliable even in extreme conditions, cheap for mass adaption and standartisation, capable of upgrading to optics to close the engagment distance in their favour and easy maintainability. Perfect fit i would say.
Whatever is missing in AK 203 is not an issue for indians as long as it fires straight. The last time some indian land missing in eastern ladakh but Modi denied any thing missing😂
Land is not missing... It has been permanently captured by PR China. Just like they did capture Aksai Chin, Part of Arunachal Pradesh, Sikkim and Ladakh area. But government keep clapping and patting their backs for showing 56-57 inch Chest atleast till 2029. Hahaha.
Why everyone is surprised? More features means less commission. If you still don't understand then you never will. India paid 59000 crores for 36 Rafael. Now this
More features also means more 💰. Majority of our defence budget goes in pensions, so have to make do with the available budget to upgrade our forces. We cannot always wish for the equipwith best features.
Buttstock is easily replaceable with any latest one but why after 10 years army will issue a new tender just to replace its buttstock and spend 4 times more then its original cost. Ak 203 butt cost around $100 and ak 103 butt cost around $60 and i dont think just for $40 doller you should downgrade it. Rails on 3 and 9 o clock can be intall according to need .
it is heartening to note that despite the differences mentioned between the Indian and Russian AK-203 assault rifles by you it doesn't affect overall performance of the ordered Indian version of the same.
There are two difference between lndian AK 203 and Russian 203 1st :- Russian ak 203 has adjustable and foldable buttstock but lndian AK 203 has only foldable buttstock because some regiments of lndian army familiar with fixed buttstock. 2nd :- Russian ak 203 has four pikatinny rail on the handguard where lndian AK 203 has only two One in top to mount any kind of sights and other under the handguard to mount underbarrel grenade launcher.. rest of the features are same.. You can mount any type of sites including night vision , red dot, infrared sight or whatsoever.
@@Robdua1968 l don't know much about ak 103 . But after reading verious articles on different websites my assumption is that Russian ak 203 and lndian AK 203 has only two difference which are l mentioned on top..
How abt dust cover opening ? AK203 Russian has new dust cover which retains zero and accuracy but Indian modification does not have it but instead have a traditional one . This will definitely affect accuracy
It depends on what you want from a bullet the 5.56×45mm NATO has a flatter trajectory so it is more accurate further out downrange in an open treeless environment. The 7.62 x 39mm has a curving trajectory past 300 - 400 yards. But the 7.62 x 39mm can punch a larger bullet through dense brush, where the 5.56x 45 NATO would deflect off a small branch. Also the Americans learned in Iraq / Afghan that while manning a checkpoint it was better to have the larger round . Because the 7.62 x 39mm can damage an oncomming truck or suicide car by aiming the rounds into the engine block itself. Aim for the radiator grill. The 5.56 x 45 NATO is only good against personnel, its not good against equipment.
That's why they adopted mk318 initially quickly to increase performance followed by further improved performance in the form of heavier 77 grain mk262 and faster 62 grain m855a1. They have lot more kinetic energy, range, consistent effects on target and improved barrier penetration from a short barrel rifle. Former is preferred by socom while latter is used usarmy and now by USMC replacing their mk318. If you are manning checkpoint it's good to have m249 if one bullet can't stop vbied then a 100 rounds of normal 62 grain m855 can. Beside that it's cheaper to develop new round whose technology can be applied to improve other in service cartridges or adopt new cartridge with improved design. Then to adopt new firearm. The initial 55 grain 5.56 bullets effectiveness against soft tissue in Vietnam was so horrendous that a less fragmenting 55 grain bullet was issued still having adequate effectiveness against soft tissue. But Nato adopted belgian ss109 62 grain 5.56 bullet design with improved barrier penetration its perform adequately from a 20 inch against soft tissue causing damage through tumbling but when fired from shorter barrel the tumbling consistency dropped as 5.56 62 grain ss109/m855 was unable to reach required speed to tumble creating only holes through enemies.
Each AK 203 is costing around 80k. Trichy Assault Rifle having almost same shooting characteristics, muzzle design, milled receiver, pic rails would cost us 55k per piece. Firing 7.62x39, gun is prone to low accuracy beyond 300mtrs due to drag, wind drift, etc. Bullet is heavier with lesser speed compared to 556 leading to this phenomenon also. Barrel metallurgy on AK 203 and TAR is also almost same as OFB has been producing Ghatak since many years(covered in the quality improvements). All in all, this was rather a political move than a strategic one. UP elections played a major role you could say... My preference would be to keep 5.56x45 and get Sig 516(716 costed 75k per piece so 516 would cost less). This would standardize weapon config across forces.
The best would have been if they had improved the dammn insas after all these years .. To still buy infantry rifles from other countries is a failure of all the gov
@@PrashanthRaoNDZ If the government was able to provided some support for helping them to set a bigger manufacturing plant I think they could have achieved the same amount of order
Pretty sure that with the factory in Amethi, The 203s will likely get smuggled out to UP bhaiyaji dons and Bihari mobsters from the factory before the Indian military sees a single one delivered.
The Indian version of the buttstock is back. I prefer the adjustable one to be honest. I'm a big(relative to Indians) guy. So I like adjustable buttstocks
Corruption in in the blood of us indians, look at the photo, it looks like a pathetic outdated sh!t 😟😭. How the heck can the army do this to themselves? Paying $900 for this garbage!! Unbelievable
It will have effect as you go from the safe to auto you need mico seconds in an encounter so reaching out for fire selector will late your response I think Ak fire selector sucks.
I don't get this, the Defence Expo model is outdated, the latest pictures of MOD make it clear. Indian AK 203 is basically stock Russian 203 without the adjustible/ergonomic butt. It is not something which is a huge deal tbh, but at the same time I would have been howling if the Indian make was having an inferior barrel to the Russian.
Rafale chahiye 60,000 crore ke or rifle chahiye 5,000 crore ki. Isse pta chalta h ki sena ke jawan ki jaan ki koi Keemat nahi h. Keemat h to uske marne ke baad jo paisa milta h usme dalali ki. Esa desh h mera.😡😡
5 lakh make in India, 1.5lakh is procured from Russia directly. The reason why it's done is due to manufacturing delays in India, to compensate the delivery 1.5lakh ak203 procurement accepted from Russia.. Also sig716i rifles more to be procured from USA in 75000 numbers to compensate numbers previously bought sig716i
Now the question is out of these 3 which one are we getting to replace Insas rifles:- 1. AK-203 shown in Defense expo 2. AK-203 shown by MOD 3. Original AK-203 from Russia
Totally disappointed ,,, Folding butrstock is the main thing that make ak203 removing it is very bad idea it's also shows. How much our Army and government cares about their soldiers.... Total waste of money.
I’ve read that continuous firing of rounds will erode the gun barrel quickly from the heat and powder residues. For some top quality sniper weapons gun barrels last only about 1000 rounds. In any case continuous firing will erode the barrel very quickly. Western nations have mastered the technology of barrel making and use just enough powder for greater effect with least damage to the barrel. More powder in the cartridge does not necessarily mean that it is a better one. Does such expertise in gun barrel making and fine tuning the cartridge exist in India?
Barrel is the lifeline of gun and needs expertise of metallurgy to achieve the top notch quality. This is however not a very high tech thing and erstwhile OFB has enough experience, they only need to focus on quality of production.
@@IndianDefenseAnalysis you may have seen the video “Gun Busters: RPK” on TH-cam. The weapon tester shows how firing 1260 rounds of 7.62 mm bullets continuously totally ruined the rifle. In real battle situations also soldiers will have to wait from time to time for barrel to cool and also do the cleaning on the run.
Having used sig sauer 716 It was really disappointing handling it i had lots of expectation I hope ak203 wont upset n i hope it holds the legacy of being best assault rifle in the world . No matter what the paper speaks but after using sig* i bet buying it was big waste of money by our govt.
Picatinny rails and butts are not something that can be upgraded, which unfortunately also means that grenade launchers or foregrips can not be mounted on these rifles.
We have too many wise men who will find fault in everything. As it is, we are decades behind in armaments due to objections in purchases. You may have prepared for delays due to political know it all's.
Confusions aplenty. Actually we have not purchased AK203 but AK103 if you look at the features. Some stupid committee was at work. And The poor jawans are not a priority.
Its the AK-74 to be precise, the original AK-203 was just an AK-74M with modern cosmetic upgrades to begin, this terrible Indian version even strips down on some of those important upgrades. Pathetic modu govt.
@@PrashanthRaoNDZ indian ak-203 doesn't has any modern cosmetics they removed rails from the 0% angle ... They removed adjustable stock ... Its a name sake ak-103
@@prathappoojary3618 Yeah man, they are paying the price of AK-203s for an AK-103, chutiya kaat rhe hai apne Bhakto ka, bhai kaato jitna kaatna hai kaato, par atleast spare Fauj out of it, why are you cheaping out on the very people who have to save your freaking arse!! And they should have picked up SSSD P-72s if they actually gave a shit about defence, this is all a ponzi scheme by our Govt and Russians are just milking it for their own benefits too.
@@PrashanthRaoNDZ Itna hi dimag hai to tu hi manage karle saari deals. Pagal ke bache Major Gaurav Arya ki hi baat sun le. Unhone bhi appreciate ki hai.
I've seen the stock that it is wood stock because....indian Ak is different cause,,india doesn't like to buy as our Russian counterparts like us to buy ..of course by the price ...
Why we have not been able to produce AK-203 rifles as yet ? Several fully indigenous assault rifles made in India comparable to AK 203 are now available in our country but why the Babus and the Netas are obsessed with something foreign? Fast bucks, huh?
Already made nuke submarine, aircraft careers, ballestic missiles, SAMs which are complexed engeneering and still cant manufacture a single reliable rifle for our soldiers, instead making profit for foreign companies...whats wrong?
And the idea of 203 is the 5.56 caliber and that it goes to the export, so in the Soviet Union it was ment that the things which goes to other country will be greater quality than the thing that is use here, at least it was like that, the russian special forces prefer this gun over other Ak more likely just simply because that the quality is better.
At 3:29 its not ak203 its ak103...without any rail...Indian ak203 as shown by irrpl hv pecatiny rail at 0 degree ...plz dont spread misinformation and also Indian one hv finger clip
Excellent defence news. Brother please put indian flag (your) logo on top of the video not in bottom of video. Thank you very much for valuable information.
send the procurement officers children to war with these. if they believe that there is no corruption or unnecessary reduction in value then they will be ok
Hona ye chahiye tha ki hum 7.62 caliber ki ak-15 lete or 50 rounds wali magazine use karte. Kya hota 5,000 crore ki jahah 6,000 crore ki pad jati. Par army ke pass letest modern weapons to hota. Aaj humne 60,000 crore ke Rafale lekar kya kar liya. Rafale to roj tererist se ladta nahi h. Ladta to jawan hi h na. To uski jaan ki chinta kyu nahi ki jati.
Russian aks are not so accurate recoil r much higher American m4 carbine are best effective range m4 are very high ak effective range is very less, many countries uses m4 rifiles , and, ar 15 advc rifiles , other countries army doesn't even consider using ak rifiles.
The rifle chosen is absolutely correct as far as our requirements are concerned, which are for a "mass produced" rifle. We can at any time upgrade a small percentage of these rifles with UBGLs, additional picatinny rails, scopes, adjustable butts or any other add-on. 🙏
It's a shame on us that we cannot manufacture a world class rifle, handgun, machine gun or sniper rifle
Most of the countries that developed these have either been in wars or cold wars. They have been making guns for decades now. A robust defence manufacturing industry is usually born out of necessity.
Our current scenario with China and pakistan on our borders and an active government have finally given us the much needed push to create a robust indigenous defence industry.
Firstly the design is extraordinarily brilliant. Secondly even if we want to make original designs like Kalashnikovs the chances of success are less and manufacturing secrets or processes are not easily shared. But our industry people know a lot of these secrets but cannot replicate without robust government help.
The reforms of ordnance factory board will help industry to partner and in next few decades we can expect exceptional rifles or totally Indian origin from design to manufacturing.
We are primarily limited by lack of an ecosystem and boost in defence but that is going to change forever now.
Yes shame on you because you don't study and do some good inventions for India
@@rohan1748 India's problems stem from corruption within defence procurement and reliance on its state owned defence industries. India needs to encourage defence firms to invest in research and development within India the same way Russia, the United States, Germany, Israel, and Turkey does.
@@logansowers1674 private players won't throw in money unless they know they'll have some returns. They're not dumb to invest in research for 1 or 2 years and make better equipment over foreign companies who've been investing in R n D since first world war.
They've finally received confidence after governments make in India push to invest in R n D on future defence systems and tie up with foreign entities to make current systems in India.
India has its own designed and Manufactured gun UGRAM, ASMI etc. Shame of those who make comments without knowing. It is our Army who do not want to switch to anything but sticks to AK.
@bitanchakraborty4339 take INSAS for example..anybody will say its not a good gun
They are not the best
@bitanchakraborty4339 army are ones who will be using guns, if they want to switch/want then that's speaks everything
If the army don't want to switch means they don't want indian guns, simple 😤
@@space-mr9br Good or bad is very subjective in weapons, often it is ease of use in status quo, experience in existing machines and lack of interest in learning and experiencing new Guns. Bharat has good soldiers, so we have good scientists.
Ak203 that India has asked of is good as expected, the m4 stock can be installed by fab defense as an after market upgrade..😁🥰
Edit - Optics like Bel holographic sight, zeiss red dot, meprolight mor and falke red dot are already in the army's inventory. Indian army slowly going to become an exceptional army like USA 🇮🇳🤩
Not by FAB but by SSS defence
Tonbo Imaging doing a really good job in optics, i think IA uses their optics on Sig-716i.😊
@@AnirbanSarkar203 yes they do
@@KetanJayade for now fab, later sss
@@saiprateek5779 for now FAB ???
What is that ?
Old AKs are being modified now by SSS, it has won the bidding recently.
SSS will do the deal on comparatively less costs
Perfect rugged and ergonomic , reliable rifle for Indian army 👍 , adjustable stock won't help alot , also our personnels have not much experience on adjustable stock and they still prefer foldable , but still I am disappointed by removal of 203 style fire selector tab and some missing picatini rails 😐
Really adjustable butt stock doesn't help 😒
U tripping bro? Adjustable butt-stocks are very important for a diverse army like ours where heights range for 5.1ft to 6.2ft on average.
A terrible decision should not be backed by bhakti alone.
Just looking at the pictures makes me want to bang my head and how are they paying bloody $900 per rifle for this piece of sh!t is out of my understanding, the P-72 were such an amazing deal, all this India-Russia friendship natak is to fill both the indians and Russian leaders and diplomats pockets, both these countries are notoriously known for corruption, this is just another proof.
What do you mean by they don't have experience . They already use FAB modded Ak clones and Sig 716. Both have an adjustable stock . For Indian soldiers it's very important as our average soldier height is little shorter than Europeans, Russians or westerns . An adjustable butt is much lighter than a fixed stock .
@@pratikbagchi8751 I agree
@@PrashanthRaoNDZ I agree
That pica rail shifting around shows our pathetic defence budgets.
It's not really about the budget. It doesn't cost an arm and leg to get all the features given the kind of Defence Budget that's allocated to Army. So the talk is that Army will specially equip the bare bones rifles it gets according to the need in demand. If it's for patrolling borders, there will be one package and for Anti Terrorist operations, another. The question remains is how fast will they be equipped with these packages after the rifles are delivered.
@Ujjawal Maheshwari Still the 5000 crores for good rifles is not a single one time payment. It will be paid in tranches over the years. All Defence Equipment bills are paid in this same way. For example, we bought Apaches and Chinooks. The payment is made in batches before the next piece of equipment gets delivered.
As far as l get Picatinny rails are present on the top and the bottom of the handguard had shared by Ministry of defense ( MOD ) if we go with that you can mount any kind of sights including underbarrel greande launcher. . It's is the biggest advantage . Foldable buttstock is ok . And auto and single shot mode is not clear to me in general...
Badshah ka new part time job 😅😅
I would prefer they adopt the stock similar to the AR15 that has a recoil buffer system that allows more control and accuracy when firing. Maybe this was possible with the adjustable buttstock rather than the folding stock.
You don't know much about how firearms works are you.
The buffer tube does nothing to dampen the recoil on the AK (or the AR, for that matter)
@@borkwoof696 There is no buffer tube in the AK
@@diablodelfuego6633 there is a buffer tube shaped stock on the AK in this video which is what you were referring to. On the AR, the buffer and buffer tube are not there to dampen the recoil, they are simply there to house the main spring and the buffer which is necessary to reduce the impact of the bolt. The AK doesn’t need a buffer tube because the main spring is stored within the receiver.
When the Indian Army was spending money, it should have taken an upgraded rifle because the assault rifle does not change every day, it would have been more correct to make a one time investment, now the Russian army included ak 15, 17 and ak 19 in its infantry. By the way, India should work on its own rifles, which we can export to other countries and would have been totally made in India.
Just like Insas (cheap copy of slr)
Ak203 is a good option and we're still not capable of producing a new reliable rifle with different unique design either we'll copy Kalashnikov, Heckler and Koch, Beretta,iwi or M4 man come up with new design
India somehow managed to make it look ugly this beautiful AK 203 gun. What's wrong with original gun....?
Folding butstocks are generally used more in cqb envirements, which doesnt necesseraly mean urban combat, but also shooting from armed personal carriers, or other vehicles, were a long rifle without a folding buttstock would generally be cumbersome.
As for the decission to purchase the ak 203 and massproduce, i think its the perfectly right choice. All the tooling is already readily available, india probably still has a surpluss of 7.62x39, also a modern infrantry grunt isnt as usefull in combat as they used to be. The game is now in vehicles, missiles, drones, anti air, Helicopters etc, something india is also working much more closely together with Russia. Most indian infantry man will do is either patrolling, peacekeeping or maybe have to occasianaly defend themself , everything other will be done either by special forces or dedicated military units.
So what you as an Army General essentially want is a ifle reliable even in extreme conditions, cheap for mass adaption and standartisation, capable of upgrading to optics to close the engagment distance in their favour and easy maintainability.
Perfect fit i would say.
Good analysis, under rated comment
Opting out of adjustable buttstock was a very bad decision. They will inevitably retrofit new buttstocks as feedback from troops pour in.
Whatever is missing in AK 203 is not an issue for indians as long as it fires straight.
The last time some indian land missing in eastern ladakh but Modi denied any thing missing😂
Land is not missing... It has been permanently captured by PR China. Just like they did capture Aksai Chin, Part of Arunachal Pradesh, Sikkim and Ladakh area. But government keep clapping and patting their backs for showing 56-57 inch Chest atleast till 2029. Hahaha.
Thank you bhai for clarifying the differences 😊
Why everyone is surprised? More features means less commission. If you still don't understand then you never will.
India paid 59000 crores for 36 Rafael. Now this
More features also means more 💰. Majority of our defence budget goes in pensions, so have to make do with the available budget to upgrade our forces. We cannot always wish for the equipwith best features.
Like u said, IA should buy good optics from Tonbo Imaging for increased accuracy of the rifles✌
A great analysis. I was waiting for this. Thankyou
Buttstock is easily replaceable with any latest one but why after 10 years army will issue a new tender just to replace its buttstock and spend 4 times more then its original cost. Ak 203 butt cost around $100 and ak 103 butt cost around $60 and i dont think just for $40 doller you should downgrade it. Rails on 3 and 9 o clock can be intall according to need .
Exactly bro
That old stock sucks
it is heartening to note that despite the differences mentioned between the Indian and Russian AK-203 assault rifles by you it doesn't affect overall performance of the ordered Indian version of the same.
Have they started the production of AK 203 in india?
Compar AK 103 with MOD AK. It it doesn't have picatinny rail instead iron sight then soldiers will have problem in aiming at distance.
There are two difference between lndian AK 203 and Russian 203
1st :- Russian ak 203 has adjustable and foldable buttstock but lndian AK 203 has only foldable buttstock because some regiments of lndian army familiar with fixed buttstock.
2nd :- Russian ak 203 has four pikatinny rail on the handguard where lndian AK 203 has only two
One in top to mount any kind of sights and other under the handguard to mount underbarrel grenade launcher.. rest of the features are same..
You can mount any type of sites including night vision , red dot, infrared sight or whatsoever.
@@kattarhindu1196 that is the difference between 103 and 203
@@Robdua1968 l don't know much about ak 103 . But after reading verious articles on different websites my assumption is that Russian ak 203 and lndian AK 203 has only two difference which are l mentioned on top..
How abt dust cover opening ?
AK203 Russian has new dust cover which retains zero and accuracy but Indian modification does not have it but instead have a traditional one .
This will definitely affect accuracy
Everything is same apart from buttstock and side rails.
It depends on what you want from a bullet the 5.56×45mm NATO has a flatter trajectory so it is more accurate further out downrange in an open treeless environment. The 7.62 x 39mm has a curving trajectory past 300 - 400 yards. But the 7.62 x 39mm can punch a larger bullet through dense brush, where the 5.56x 45 NATO would deflect off a small branch. Also the Americans learned in Iraq / Afghan that while manning a checkpoint it was better to have the larger round . Because the 7.62 x 39mm can damage an oncomming truck or suicide car by aiming the rounds into the engine block itself. Aim for the radiator grill. The 5.56 x 45 NATO is only good against personnel, its not good against equipment.
That's why they adopted mk318 initially quickly to increase performance followed by further improved performance in the form of heavier 77 grain mk262 and faster 62 grain m855a1. They have lot more kinetic energy, range, consistent effects on target and improved barrier penetration from a short barrel rifle. Former is preferred by socom while latter is used usarmy and now by USMC replacing their mk318. If you are manning checkpoint it's good to have m249 if one bullet can't stop vbied then a 100 rounds of normal 62 grain m855 can. Beside that it's cheaper to develop new round whose technology can be applied to improve other in service cartridges or adopt new cartridge with improved design. Then to adopt new firearm. The initial 55 grain 5.56 bullets effectiveness against soft tissue in Vietnam was so horrendous that a less fragmenting 55 grain bullet was issued still having adequate effectiveness against soft tissue. But Nato adopted belgian ss109 62 grain 5.56 bullet design with improved barrier penetration its perform adequately from a 20 inch against soft tissue causing damage through tumbling but when fired from shorter barrel the tumbling consistency dropped as 5.56 62 grain ss109/m855 was unable to reach required speed to tumble creating only holes through enemies.
Each AK 203 is costing around 80k. Trichy Assault Rifle having almost same shooting characteristics, muzzle design, milled receiver, pic rails would cost us 55k per piece. Firing 7.62x39, gun is prone to low accuracy beyond 300mtrs due to drag, wind drift, etc. Bullet is heavier with lesser speed compared to 556 leading to this phenomenon also. Barrel metallurgy on AK 203 and TAR is also almost same as OFB has been producing Ghatak since many years(covered in the quality improvements).
All in all, this was rather a political move than a strategic one. UP elections played a major role you could say...
My preference would be to keep 5.56x45 and get Sig 516(716 costed 75k per piece so 516 would cost less). This would standardize weapon config across forces.
The best would have been if they had improved the dammn insas after all these years .. To still buy infantry rifles from other countries is a failure of all the gov
5.56x45 isn't cutting the cost for the army as it has lesser chance of putting down an enemy with the first round.
Have you seen gathak and Trichi assault rifle in person belive me not the greatest quality and heavy but sss defense rifle was great
@@shibashisroy4212 Exactly, the SSSD P-72 should've been the weapon of choice if the govt was just and trustworthy.
@@PrashanthRaoNDZ If the government was able to provided some support for helping them to set a bigger manufacturing plant I think they could have achieved the same amount of order
Pretty sure that with the factory in Amethi, The 203s will likely get smuggled out to UP bhaiyaji dons and Bihari mobsters from the factory before the Indian military sees a single one delivered.
Better use ak 103 not 203 or use ak 47 and modify to use optics..joke is going on with the army...
Besides so many other things, when it comes to gun manufacturing Indian guns simply can not match other,heavy, metal quality, shapes,durability etc
Nice English speaking video
Hi there, AK 203 would be
like AK47. Which many countries
used it & have won in war.
It is an out dated gun. What Army and Airforce(Tejas mk2) are doing is mind boggling. A sly attemp to fail Make in India
Bro don't get too excited let them make it first
Basically russia is selling us their surplus ak103 with pica rails and bird Cage style muscle breaker.
I sincerely believe India should try to get these small arms from local companies.
Well done guys with this video as it explained and well explained thanks. Great Vidoe thanks.
Sir, when we are going to start the mass production of the AK 203
The Indian version of the buttstock is back. I prefer the adjustable one to be honest. I'm a big(relative to Indians) guy. So I like adjustable buttstocks
Corruption in in the blood of us indians, look at the photo, it looks like a pathetic outdated sh!t 😟😭. How the heck can the army do this to themselves? Paying $900 for this garbage!! Unbelievable
It will have effect as you go from the safe to auto you need mico seconds in an encounter so reaching out for fire selector will late your response I think Ak fire selector sucks.
I don't get this, the Defence Expo model is outdated, the latest pictures of MOD make it clear. Indian AK 203 is basically stock Russian 203 without the adjustible/ergonomic butt. It is not something which is a huge deal tbh, but at the same time I would have been howling if the Indian make was having an inferior barrel to the Russian.
Barrels, yes they are most important ones. Russia has huge experience in metal forging. I am hoping India maintains that quality.
As usual we got screwed by Russians
Why we calling it ak-203 it's simply some new modification of ak-47 very disappointing. 🚩
Rafale chahiye 60,000 crore ke or rifle chahiye 5,000 crore ki. Isse pta chalta h ki sena ke jawan ki jaan ki koi Keemat nahi h. Keemat h to uske marne ke baad jo paisa milta h usme dalali ki. Esa desh h mera.😡😡
Initially we were to buy 7.5 lakh rifle but now it is reduced to 5 lakh....is it a sign that army / mod wants to buy sss defence new 7.62 mm rifle
5 lakh make in India, 1.5lakh is procured from Russia directly.
The reason why it's done is due to manufacturing delays in India, to compensate the delivery 1.5lakh ak203 procurement accepted from Russia..
Also sig716i rifles more to be procured from USA in 75000 numbers to compensate numbers previously bought sig716i
Internal Corruption , and foreign lobby not letting grow Indigenous Privet companies of India
@@Tilak-Chatterjee India has ordered more 72,000 sig rifles from America
Everything is joke for ur it seems like
I think we should work on special gun where gun is locked to target and bullet should track and shoot if he hides 😂
I think future we can see that
Now the question is out of these 3 which one are we getting to replace Insas rifles:-
1. AK-203 shown in Defense expo
2. AK-203 shown by MOD
3. Original AK-203 from Russia
2
@@IndianDefenseAnalysis okay. That's great that we will get AK-203's shown by MOD & plus they have more rails than the one shown in Defense expo.. ..
Indians have the knowledge to fix all missing parts in the russian rifle. Its a small issue. Don’t worry
Jay hind DRDO 🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳
Totally disappointed ,,, Folding butrstock is the main thing that make ak203 removing it is very bad idea it's also shows. How much our Army and government cares about their soldiers.... Total waste of money.
AK-203 is old technology. India could have done better with their firearms choices.
Russian AK 203 is an original one. 😊 But American assaulted rifle is the most powerful and sophisticated....
Assaulted?
Agar design ko na dekhe to is cost me apne tarah ka sabse best , reliable aur all terrain usable rifle hai
I’ve read that continuous firing of rounds will erode the gun barrel quickly from the heat and powder residues. For some top quality sniper weapons gun barrels last only about 1000 rounds. In any case continuous firing will erode the barrel very quickly. Western nations have mastered the technology of barrel making and use just enough powder for greater effect with least damage to the barrel. More powder in the cartridge does not necessarily mean that it is a better one. Does such expertise in gun barrel making and fine tuning the cartridge exist in India?
Barrel is the lifeline of gun and needs expertise of metallurgy to achieve the top notch quality. This is however not a very high tech thing and erstwhile OFB has enough experience, they only need to focus on quality of production.
@@IndianDefenseAnalysis you may have seen the video “Gun Busters: RPK” on TH-cam. The weapon tester shows how firing 1260 rounds of 7.62 mm bullets continuously totally ruined the rifle. In real battle situations also soldiers will have to wait from time to time for barrel to cool and also do the cleaning on the run.
These differences should be incorporated in AK 203 Rifles being made in India .
Having used sig sauer 716
It was really disappointing handling it i had lots of expectation
I hope ak203 wont upset n i hope it holds the legacy of being best assault rifle in the world
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No matter what the paper speaks but after using sig* i bet buying it was big waste of money by our govt.
Is it because of recoil?
Recoil is no issue indian army isnt that weak
its the product
Just wana share a lesson to everyone
Its not always what is in paper n in advertisements
On ground is what that matters
@@barseebubu4144 that’s serious then because Sig quality is expected to be top notch
U.must ask yourself y? us dont use sig saur?
Backload* is the term used
Backloaded rifle in us army
Which we use now
Picatinny rails and butts are not something that can be upgraded, which unfortunately also means that grenade launchers or foregrips can not be mounted on these rifles.
So an Indian 203 is like the Russian 103 but with milled receiver? So so so weird
Yes cost cutting at it's max
Good presentation
Must be big difference in Barrel quality and style in Russian and Indian AK-203
Standard rifle mein itni kanjoosi nahi karni chahiye
Scam kiya re modi ne, ak 203 bolke ak 103 liya 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️ #corruption
It's easier to say ak-two oh three, rather than two nought three.
Iska matlab purana maal mila hume
Rashiyan gun ka hendal acha lagra hai... Indian ka bhi kuch us type ka hota to acha laga hotaa..Jai Hind 💐
We have too many wise men who will find fault in everything.
As it is, we are decades behind in armaments due to objections in purchases.
You may have prepared for delays due to political know it all's.
Where is your subtitle in this video
Russian would never give us their best rifle.....
Why not?
Wah 6 feet and 5 feet soldiers will use same length butt stock.
paisa khaya h goberntmen ney
Only made in india
Confusions aplenty. Actually we have not purchased AK203 but AK103 if you look at the features. Some stupid committee was at work. And The poor jawans are not a priority.
Indian Army will face Big problem with but stock definitely they will. i use AKM i know How it Hurt,s
But AK series is originally Russian. Everybody know that
We'd have gone to buy p-72 of SSS defence ...
Thid gun is pathetic ... Ak-203 india producing is not more than than ak-47 with rails ...
Its the AK-74 to be precise, the original AK-203 was just an AK-74M with modern cosmetic upgrades to begin, this terrible Indian version even strips down on some of those important upgrades.
Pathetic modu govt.
@@PrashanthRaoNDZ indian ak-203 doesn't has any modern cosmetics they removed rails from the 0% angle ...
They removed adjustable stock ...
Its a name sake ak-103
@@prathappoojary3618 Yeah man, they are paying the price of AK-203s for an AK-103, chutiya kaat rhe hai apne Bhakto ka, bhai kaato jitna kaatna hai kaato, par atleast spare Fauj out of it, why are you cheaping out on the very people who have to save your freaking arse!!
And they should have picked up SSSD P-72s if they actually gave a shit about defence, this is all a ponzi scheme by our Govt and Russians are just milking it for their own benefits too.
@@PrashanthRaoNDZ Itna hi dimag hai to tu hi manage karle saari deals.
Pagal ke bache Major Gaurav Arya ki hi baat sun le. Unhone bhi appreciate ki hai.
@@rishabhsingh9277 Abe apni bhakti hi shakti hai kahi aur dikha, nikal.
We should have retained the finger tap
I've seen the stock that it is wood stock because....indian Ak is different cause,,india doesn't like to buy as our Russian counterparts like us to buy ..of course by the price ...
Why we have not been able to produce AK-203 rifles as yet ?
Several fully indigenous assault rifles made in India comparable to AK 203 are now available in our country but why the Babus and the Netas are obsessed with something foreign?
Fast bucks, huh?
In defence expo it was ak 103 was shown as ak203....
Brother please improve your mic quality.
Already made nuke submarine, aircraft careers, ballestic missiles, SAMs which are complexed engeneering and still cant manufacture a single reliable rifle for our soldiers, instead making profit for foreign companies...whats wrong?
And the idea of 203 is the 5.56 caliber and that it goes to the export, so in the Soviet Union it was ment that the things which goes to other country will be greater quality than the thing that is use here, at least it was like that, the russian special forces prefer this gun over other Ak more likely just simply because that the quality is better.
Big mistake by my installing finger tap
We shall see if all this plastic will be able to withstand heats and wet climate in such country as India...
Wow, Baadshah doing weapon review 😂😂
Russian Baadshah
Compare it with galil ace gen 2
Basically this is a downgraded Russian one. , why our soldiers are given substandard ones.
AK is OK, but 203 is missing.. 😊
At 3:29 its not ak203 its ak103...without any rail...Indian ak203 as shown by irrpl hv pecatiny rail at 0 degree ...plz dont spread misinformation and also Indian one hv finger clip
What is beyond in Kailash...
Excellent defence news. Brother please put indian flag (your) logo on top of the video not in bottom of video. Thank you very much for valuable information.
That’s what happens when we buy export variety
I HAVE LOVE HATE FOR THIS GUN.
RUSSIAN USED AK 103. A 203 IS EXPORT VERSION OF AK103
Sir I think 60 rounds per minute not 600..
600
Ak-203 has no adjustable stock
send the procurement officers children to war with these. if they believe that there is no corruption or unnecessary reduction in value then they will be ok
if soldiers are trained well, and get used to it, then why even buy this, keep using insas
Insas was bad in kargil Ak 203 more deadly
Hona ye chahiye tha ki hum 7.62 caliber ki ak-15 lete or 50 rounds wali magazine use karte. Kya hota 5,000 crore ki jahah 6,000 crore ki pad jati. Par army ke pass letest modern weapons to hota.
Aaj humne 60,000 crore ke Rafale lekar kya kar liya. Rafale to roj tererist se ladta nahi h. Ladta to jawan hi h na. To uski jaan ki chinta kyu nahi ki jati.
Its a joke..
Russian aks are not so accurate recoil r much higher American m4 carbine are best effective range m4 are very high ak effective range is very less, many countries uses m4 rifiles , and, ar 15 advc rifiles , other countries army doesn't even consider using ak rifiles.
India needs sig716 ffs
Ak 203 indian bad design 😟😟