Part of the problem is that language learning is so often approached as a subject of academic study, which it really shouldn't be. Learning a language is not like learning chemistry or history. Language fluency is a skill, so learning a language is much more akin to learning to play an instrument or a sport, or learning to weld or cook or paint. And what does learning those skills have in common? Practice! No one ever became a great athlete by studying physics. Likewise no one gains fluency in a language by studying grammar rules.
The following sentence in Familia Romana gave me the impression that a 'stilus' and a 'calamus' are not the same thing: "Magister calamum et chartam prōmit et ipse scrībere incipit; is enim calamō in chartā scrībit, nōn stilō in cērā ut discipulī. " This indicates that a 'stilus' is just a pointed piece of metal while a 'calamus' is a reed pen that writes with ink.
The 'stilus' has become our stylus while the 'calamus' has been replaced with the quill, which itself has been replaced with the fountain pen, which in turn has been mostly replaced with the familiar ball point ink pen and the magic marker.
modern languages have more graded reading, since they are created for every age group, and all walks of life. When I was learning spanish, there was an enormous library to choose from, any subject I wish. But latin and greek texts are pretty limited by comparison. I hope this changes in the age of AI. The neo-latin of the renaissance is proof we can make an exciting variety of texts and audio to suit anybody, and at any level
Duolingo and Clozemaster applications both have Latin And Babadum and Drops have you covered for initial words aquistion Clozemaster also has Interlingua which is like Modern Latin.
Cum librō Linguā Latīnā per se illustrātā linguae Latīnae studeō, nunc in capitulō XXI sum, et semper in hōc tempore, dēclinatiōnem novam meam habeō, "Nōminātīvus, Accūsātīvus, Datīvus, Ablātīvus, et Genetīvus.", et semper sīc scrībō omnēs dēclinātiōnēs verbōrum. Hic modus mihi placet. :)
yea since my native language has cases and ik sanskrit rn learning latin i did always learnt cases like a poem often having prepositions/post prepositions with it so i could pare
Since you forgot Aotearoa, i know this isnt quite your thing but i found out that there's a chapter of Nova Roma in Australia and Aotearoa. Was wondering what your thoughts on tje hroup are? At least they're helping folks learn latin in the antopodean world ;)
Can you transition slowly from translation based to natural? It seems like you might fall between two stools. Or could you slowly incorporate more listening/reading early on?
55:59 For people that don't like to read *sigh*.......It almost totally defeats the PURPOSE, the actual final goal, of actually learning Latin, which is TO READ the Roman authors or any post-classical works (many still untranslated) in the original. The thought of people not liking to read, and learning a highly literary language like Latin with its rich 2,000 year-old literary tradition, is just silly to me. You might as well just learn conversational Italian or any modern Romance language, Minecraft and fun content and all.
Personally? I even learn living languages for literary interests first and foremost. But folks have their motives, not always well-thought-out or informed, but that doesn't mean their reasons are irrational. To some even the veneer of prestige implied by basic Latin would make it worthwhile, and it's cool if that's what they want. I'd imagine learning Latin for other reasons to be a bit like learning an obscure programming language: you won't use it at work, won't get brownie points during job interview, and in all likelihood won't use it for anything practical *ever*, but it's a fun way to think outside the box about concepts. Especially ones so familiar they became mundane. Or maybe it's the interest in (being a part of) community around the language, like with Esperanto or Toki Pona? You interact almost exclusively with people who were motivated to do the effort, so there's an inherent filter.
Since Latin is a divergence of proto European Greek, the breathings and the accents are the same as ancient Greek. Around 700BC, Latin was written using the same breathings as was later adopted by the modern Greek alphabet.
![Does Latin have lax vowels? Refuting the qualities [ɪ] and [ʊ] for ĭ and ŭ in Classical Latin](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/Mu-slOBurvM/mqdefault.jpg)
Part of the problem is that language learning is so often approached as a subject of academic study, which it really shouldn't be. Learning a language is not like learning chemistry or history. Language fluency is a skill, so learning a language is much more akin to learning to play an instrument or a sport, or learning to weld or cook or paint.
And what does learning those skills have in common? Practice! No one ever became a great athlete by studying physics. Likewise no one gains fluency in a language by studying grammar rules.
This is my avengers video
Great crossover episode!
The following sentence in Familia Romana gave me the impression that a 'stilus' and a 'calamus' are not the same thing:
"Magister calamum et chartam prōmit et ipse scrībere incipit; is enim calamō in chartā scrībit, nōn stilō in cērā ut discipulī. "
This indicates that a 'stilus' is just a pointed piece of metal while a 'calamus' is a reed pen that writes with ink.
That’s correct. Good going!
The 'stilus' has become our stylus while the 'calamus' has been replaced with the quill, which itself has been replaced with the fountain pen, which in turn has been mostly replaced with the familiar ball point ink pen and the magic marker.
We still have 'calamari' though! (the animal filled with ink)
modern languages have more graded reading, since they are created for every age group, and all walks of life. When I was learning spanish, there was an enormous library to choose from, any subject I wish. But latin and greek texts are pretty limited by comparison. I hope this changes in the age of AI. The neo-latin of the renaissance is proof we can make an exciting variety of texts and audio to suit anybody, and at any level
Excellent talk from two excellent content creators and Latinists.
Duolingo and Clozemaster applications both have Latin
And Babadum and Drops have you covered for initial words aquistion
Clozemaster also has Interlingua which is like Modern Latin.
Cum librō Linguā Latīnā per se illustrātā linguae Latīnae studeō, nunc in capitulō XXI sum, et semper in hōc tempore, dēclinatiōnem novam meam habeō, "Nōminātīvus, Accūsātīvus, Datīvus, Ablātīvus, et Genetīvus.", et semper sīc scrībō omnēs dēclinātiōnēs verbōrum. Hic modus mihi placet. :)
Macte virtūte estō!
What a nice smile Carla has.
She really lights up the room.
Indeed. Nice personality and voice/accent, too.
Interesting discussion. I'm just beginning my journey into classical Latin. I heard you mention LinQ, do you find it worth using?
I’ve used it little so far due to exigencies of time, but it’s methodology and interface are all great.
yea since my native language has cases and ik sanskrit rn learning latin
i did always learnt cases like a poem often having prepositions/post prepositions with it so i could pare
Since you forgot Aotearoa, i know this isnt quite your thing but i found out that there's a chapter of Nova Roma in Australia and Aotearoa. Was wondering what your thoughts on tje hroup are?
At least they're helping folks learn latin in the antopodean world ;)
different langauges definitely make you think better whether it be your russian example or simple languages
is Lucian the same as the NT era Koine pronunciation of Buth and Kantor?
No indeed. See this video which explains all you want to know, and more: th-cam.com/video/dQBpwKWnZAo/w-d-xo.htmlsi=vgEeSXjMpfSM6mBv
Can you transition slowly from translation based to natural? It seems like you might fall between two stools. Or could you slowly incorporate more listening/reading early on?
55:59 For people that don't like to read *sigh*.......It almost totally defeats the PURPOSE, the actual final goal, of actually learning Latin, which is TO READ the Roman authors or any post-classical works (many still untranslated) in the original. The thought of people not liking to read, and learning a highly literary language like Latin with its rich 2,000 year-old literary tradition, is just silly to me. You might as well just learn conversational Italian or any modern Romance language, Minecraft and fun content and all.
Personally? I even learn living languages for literary interests first and foremost. But folks have their motives, not always well-thought-out or informed, but that doesn't mean their reasons are irrational. To some even the veneer of prestige implied by basic Latin would make it worthwhile, and it's cool if that's what they want.
I'd imagine learning Latin for other reasons to be a bit like learning an obscure programming language: you won't use it at work, won't get brownie points during job interview, and in all likelihood won't use it for anything practical *ever*, but it's a fun way to think outside the box about concepts. Especially ones so familiar they became mundane. Or maybe it's the interest in (being a part of) community around the language, like with Esperanto or Toki Pona? You interact almost exclusively with people who were motivated to do the effort, so there's an inherent filter.
Is there really any evidence that Erasmian is wrong for Classical/Athenian pronunciation?
Yes, I demonstrate that extensively here:
th-cam.com/video/dQBpwKWnZAo/w-d-xo.htmlsi=vgEeSXjMpfSM6mBv
Amo videre has gemmās simul tempus!
Since Latin is a divergence of proto European Greek, the breathings and the accents are the same as ancient Greek. Around 700BC, Latin was written using the same breathings as was later adopted by the modern Greek alphabet.
it's strange hearing her speak English lol