Fun fact, in HeartGold/SoulSilver it's actually faster to play as Lyra. This is mainly because Ethan and Lyra have different personalities text, and Lyra wastes way more time talking than Ethan. The difference can be up to 20 seconds before the first gym.
Honestly, when you got to Alola I thought you'd play all of Sun/Moon and say, "wow, we never made it to the first gym!" then play Ultra Sun/Moon and play until you got to the Kantonian Gym
@@dyllangames3592 not in Sun and Moon, in Ultra Sun and Moon. It was ran by Ryuki on Ula'ula Island. They had an article on Bulbapedia if you want to see more: bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Kantonian_Gym
That really confused me, lol. I was legitimately wondering if I got that wrong the entire time I've been playing these games because I knew there _is_ a first gym leader who uses stone type called Roxanne, but she's ofc fron the Hoenn games. 😅
I don't think XY get enough credit for just how fast and interactive everything is. From the tutorial, to the roller blades, to the fast save, to one of the faster battle system, it's so pleasant going back to those games and enjoy how polished everything is. These are the only game in the franchise where I actually found the visual impressive and where you can tell the devs are proud of them, because after this point it's either oversaturated or plain ugly.
while I agree that XY looks great and was a big jump in graphics, I'll also have to state that SM/USUM looks gorgeous and much better than XY (LGPE and SwSh are also cool, I think the trend of absolute horrible graphics started with PLA)
@@nathanalexandre137they all have their own charm Graphics don’t matter what makes Pokémon games look good is their personality and creativity They don’t look ugly they look unique and distinct and different
@@madnessarcade7447 yeah hell no, PLA is ok but SV has locations that suck to look at they need to look good, that's what I mean about graphics. Gen 1-7 have no issues (especially in the pixel style games) Gen 8 is pretty good overall, but Gen 9... it is not a style thing, there are plenty of things that just doesn't look good, entire landscapes missing the textures
@@nathanalexandre137 though you have to give them credit, the actual Pokémon in gen 9 look great, this is easily the best Pokémon have looked in 3D when it comes to their models
Galar and Paldea have a long time to the first gym, but they really don't feel as opressive as the Gen 7 games. You get a lot more areas where you can just walk around catching Pokémon and you don't have STUPID situations like the stretch from the school to the Pokémon Center on the other side of Hau'oli City where you get stopped like every five steps. In Violet I think I played for three hours before reaching Mezagosa! Honestly I feel like the tutorial section of Sword and Shield actually ends when you reach the Wild Area.
Even then they are still very long before they finally let the player alone. Even if you consider the wild area/the trainer school to be the end of the tutorial it still takes more than 20 minutes to go there.
I feel like part of why newer generations have longer "tutorial" areas, aside from x and y, is because they spent so much time on this "really cool new mechanic that they want people to try out" and they want people to get it as early as possible. X and y understood that mega evolution was balance breaking in a way, and so they locked it behind the third or fourth gym. Memory not great, head empty. Whereas in sword and shield, Scarlet violet, they wanted you to be able to do big thing early.
@@Nephenon Assuming you traded in the Mega Stones, and bred whatever Pokemon you wanted to use, playing with the newly hatched Pokemon, you can use Mega Kangaskhan, Pinsir, Aerodactyl, Heracross, Mawile, Lucario and Absol by the first gym. Also technically Scizor if you include Trading.
"x and y understood that mega evolution was balance breaking in a way" uhm... that obviously isn't why they made mega evolution accessible at that point. If they cared about game balance, they wouldn't have broken it so badly in every other area. The reason they give terastallization and dynamax in the beginning but mega stones at the third gym is simply because the first two mechanics can be used by every pokémon while you barely have access to pokémon that can mega evolve before the third gym and it'd be pointless to give it to you earlier since you need fully evolved pokémon. Also, they learned on how they broke game balance by only giving Lysandre and Diantha a mega by having all gym leaders use the mechanic, so it makes sense from a game balance point to give you access to the mechanic from the start aswell. Same with Z-moves.
why do the dreamyard, which is optional, but exclude the HGSS sprout tower, which is mandatory? you can't actually do anything in the gym until you complete sprout tower in hgss, so just going inside is useless. meanwhile you can attempt the gym without setting foot in the dreamyard in bw, it's just meant to be very difficult without doing so.
41:01 I know everyone rags on Sword & Shield but that's actually a clever little bit of game design. Think about it from the perspective of a kid playing their first Pokémon game. You beat the Wooloo , your pokemon levels up and learns a new move, just out of curiosity you're naturally gonna wanna try out that move in the next turn. Its a neat little way to teach about type match ups.
100%! Story time - I actually had a little extra bit recorded but the mic did some weird buzzy thing halfway through the line and it sounded like I was on a 1920s phoneline, so I cut it out and couldn't be bothered re-recording it. But straight from the script: "Which arguably, could be considered to be this game's version of a tutorial on types coz Hop does say "Did you already know about type advantages?" when you use a super effective move."
Kinda, but honestly, kinda not as well. I mean, of course these are clever ways to give you tutorials without the need to straight up telling you what to do, but when you consider that learning how to play pokemon was as simple as leveling up with your first rival fight, getting a STAB move and testing it against bugs in the forest, it feels like having hour long tutorials is really not necessary at all. Also, the main reason they're so long isn't even the stuff they teach you but the roundabout way they have to tell you everything. Modern pokemon games are just full of unnecessary dialogue (not unnecessary content, just dialogue I mean) that could be way shorter
I love the fact that in scarlet and violet that if you don't go to the school and move the storyline forward, the day-night cycle and weather don't start. All the rivals and Gym Leaders leave you alone so you can just freely explore. You can get most places because that whole fast travel Thing Once you access a points really helps. All I know is I got probably 80% of the Pokemon before I even had my ride Pokemon and there's enough random crap everywhere that keeps you sustained. In the end I spent 190 hours running around the world before I went to school that first morning. It's a challenge that I suggest to anyone cuz you don't have access to your ride Pokemon you are literally running around and using glitch method of throwing a Pokeball at a Pokemon that's on high ground or across a river and you get pulled over there to battle it. I even got two of the steak Pokemon.
Damn, I thought this was one of those channels with over a 100k subscribers, I was pleasantly surprised to see such quality from a growing youtuber and I def hope to see you grow man. Amazing content, amazing creator
A few things worth noting: Roxanne is the Hoenn Rock-type Leader, not the Sinnoh one. The Sinnoh leader is Roark HGSS is an odd case because while you can walk into Violet Gym, it's technically not challengable proper until Sprout Tower is cleared You're not required to go to the Dreamyard before entering Striaton Gym in BW Speaking of different names, the rival in Let's Go is actually a new character named Trace. Blue is instead a more minor character in the games I'd say that at least with SwSh and SV, I wouldn't exactly call everything before the first gym tutorial stuff. You actually get a lot that you can do before you make it to the first gym.
I mean, I would think, because they show up on your "trainer card" like the badges and the island challenges do, that the totem pokemon would count as the "badges" for legends arceus
I'm REAL tired so this might sound like a criticism, I meant it as more of a "you said you wanted an excuse to play PLA, here's an idea that could've been done there"
I'm a Female and I've played EVERY Generation of Pokemon (Cartridge) Games up to , and including Violet. As a Pokemon Fanatic NOTHING made me happier than Finally getting to play as a Girl.
I’ve always preferred when it takes longer to get to the first gym and when there’s larger time gaps in between gyms instead of just knocking them out back to back to back. I like the games to be filled with more content and story (as long as it’s not sun and moons obnoxious endless cutscenes)
Ultra Sun is made unplayable for me by the insane amount of tutorials and cutscenes alone! I like the Pokémon and the story looks intriguing, but it's just no fun to play. I've had that game for two years, only played it for seven hours total and I don't see this number getting bigger anytime soon. Easily the worst Pokémon game I've played so far and only one of two which I haven't played through in one go. The other is Legends Arceus, don't know how many hours I got in that one, but at least I did have fun with that one in the beginning, till I realized how repetitive the gameplay is.
i guess the gender and name confusions with Roark, Illima, Trace & Bede are all jokes and the SV phone isn't magical, it is because it is a Rotom, they have levitate
one common trend i keep noticing is how before the first gym challenge, we always come to a tutorial town where we get an idea of what to do when we arrived into a city before we actually go into a city that has a challengeable gym is it just me or does Geeta looks like a grimmsnarl from behind
It's kind of a cool way to show that there's a rare Pokémon on this short early game route. Most players would get through this route with 2 or 3 encounters and never return, not knowing what they were missing out on, if it wasn't for Wally showing us his incredible luck.
the tutorial length of sun/moon killed my enthusiasm for these games as i played it also surprised that the hoenn games aren't longer! it always felt much longer, but then there is a lot of extra stuff to get sidelined by
Same, I really wanted to enjoy Ultra Sun as the Pokémon look cool and the story around cosmog, the weird cyborg-team and Ultra-Beasts look enticing (though team skull are pure cringe), but I gave up after 7 hours of total playtime because the endless tutorials are just not fun. I don't mind it much in the Generations though, as those are just short interruptions and afterwards you're free to go on your own again, even though the choice to just give the player the box legendary right at the start in S/V was odd and kinda took away the mystery of encountering the legendary throughout the story until eventually catching it in the srory finale.
That was part of the fun for me, it’s also why I replay FF VII so much. USUM are fun when you beat them as every pokemon is usable for the last time. (So far)
@@ChuVsMe no problem. You put so kuch effort in i figured i could spend a couple minutes helping out and also showing an example of what i meant. Constructive criticism isn't worth much if you don't show someone how to do it. Plus you gave me a hour of entertainment for free its the least i could do. So if you wanna copy and paste it into your description it'll make chapters in your timeline in your actual video that people can see and press.
Great Video! I think it would also be very interesting to see how long it takes to get from the 1st Gym to the 2nd in every Pokémon game. In my memory that’s where some of the biggest gaps have been in terms of progression
You can actually get through Sinnoh without a Fire type and just to let you know Skuntank learns Flamethrower straight away after it evolves from Stunky so you have a great Pokemon with an awesome Fire type move.
If you can’t believe that Bede is a guy, wait until you hear about Ilima. And if that blows your mind, wait until you hear about Sinnoh’s “Roxanne”! XD Thanks for doing this! I had a thought recently about how long it would take to get to the first gym of each region. I had thought XY was longer, but I must be thinking about the gap between gym 1 and gym 2 instead.
Something I noticed while watching this, as the games stories get more complex the time to reach the first gym gets longer. Like, the first game really only has Blue to introduce while gen 9 has a bunch more characters
Love how you approach challenges in an efficient and skilled manner, but its still relatable to "normal" gamers. As someone that watches a lot of challenge- and speedrunners I am kind of bored by literally perfect runs that have been routed and executed to absolute exhaustion. Its so much more exciting to watch someone being presented with surprises and hurdles to overcome on the way and makes it feel like it could actually be me trying the challenge, which is so much more engaging to follow.
I love finding small channels that make high quality content. It's nice to support them and they seem genuinely appreciative of the support. You earned my sub, like, and favorite. Awesome video. Please keep it up. I couldn't believe the sub number when i saw it. I thought you'd have at least 150k for the quality you put into these videos. You'll blow up soon enough you deserve it!
37:56 Just a note: that's not Blue, that's Trace; Blue shows up later, and, while he isn't _as_ mean as the original, he's still clearly the same character. 50:01 The Rotom Phone catch thing is the game's way of saving you if you fall of a cliff while not on your ride Pokémon. So it's only used as often as that happens.
2:10 In this specific instance. I agree that Charmander is the better option because if it's not 100% accurate its 50% accurate. But if you're playing a Kanto game just regularly. My boy Bulbasaur is your best bet. Due to the overall layout of the Kanto gyms. It has a downright advantage against the first two and it resists the third. That and he's the cutest starter out of all three anyway.
@@recentmap7268 You say that as if those 3 levels couldn't be achieved in the span of 3 minutes. Most people farm until they get their first STAB move too
I'm gonna blow your mind here for a sec. Did you know you can catch wild pokemon? Simply buy some pokeballs in the mart and throw it at any wild pokemon you encounter. That will help you in the gym battles where your starter might have a disadvantage. Crazy,i know.
Great video but I have a quick question. In HG/SS, do you have to beat the sage at the top of Sprout Tower before you can battle Falkner? If so, shouldn't that be counted as necessary to do before you can reach the gym? Would probably push the time to over 30 mins if so.
The flying phone is a game mechanic if you go down a cliff while navigating. I believe the game also sometimes lets you warp back to the top if you didn’t intend to drop.
Ok, when you said "Ghetsis kinda has a point", I facepalmed. Keep in mind that Pokemon are intelligent creatures with abilities that could kill a human. The human isn't the one wearing the pants in that relationship, with the exception of a few exceedingly weak Pokemon like Magikarp (and even then Magikarp learns Flail at lv. 15). And before anyone tries to argue that Pokeballs are brainwashing machines, Yellow version's Pikachu, the Farfetch'd in Elix Forest from GSC and HGSS and the disobedience mechanic for traded Pokemon in previous generations prove otherwise.
@@VestedUTuber show me where you actually see it in game. The dex changes every game so I don't view those as the end all. Even between different versions of the same game they can change.
@@chuyuen441 "show me where you actually see it in game." You're asking me to show you an explicit example - not a lore-based or implied one, but an EXPLICIT example of a Pokemon killing a human _IN A GAME MADE FOR KIDS._ Do you not see the problem there? I could point out that a major plot point for Legends: Arceus is that wild Pokemon in that era were aggressive and dangerous and you'd literally reject that simply because we don't see someone getting bloodily run through by a Scyther's talons on-screen. That being said, we've seen situations where it very reasonably could have happened: Ruby: Groudon would have completely sterilized the planet with intense heat had it not been stopped. Sapphire: Kyogre would have completely flooded the planet, making it inhospitable for human or any other land-based life, had it not been stopped. Emerald: Kyogre and Groudon would have left the planet completely uninhabitable due to weather extremes had Rayquaza not been woken up to intervene. Diamond and Pearl: Dialga/Palkia would have basically altered space-time to the point where nothing could exist if Cyrus wasn't stopped. Platinum: In addition to the above, Giratina dragged Cyrus into a world that, while technically habitable, basically had no ability to support human life. Black 2/White 2: Indirect case of actual murder by a Pokemon. Ghetsis used Kyurem's ice-type abilities to power the cryo-canon on the Plasma Frigate, which was then used to freeze an entire city full of people. He also outright orders Kyurem, which is NOT kept in a Pokeball I might add and thus not subject to any supposed "brainwashing", to kill the player with Glaciate, and is only stopped by the timely intervention of N and whichever Dragon of Legend he has based on the version of the game - this is probably the closest we get to an on-screen "death by Pokemon". Also, Ghetsis doesn't just wear an eyepatch for show, background lore states that his Hydregon tried to eat his face at one point and he lost his eye as a result. Omega Ruby: See Ruby Omega Sapphire: See Sapphire Ultra Sun/Ultra Moon: Necrozma ate the sun of a planet with a civilization on it, forcing them to rely on artificial sources of light. Knowing how important sunlight is to a planet's climate and ecosystem, that civilization is on borrowed time. We also see in the Ultra Ruin that Guzlord literally ate an entire city and the few people that are left live in hiding for fear of being eaten themselves. Sword/Shield: Not directly shown, but the continued references to the "Darkest Day" and giant Pokemon guarantees that things reached the Godzilla threshold, and that always comes with a death toll. Legends: Arceus: You black out and wake up back at camp, implying you were rescued. Now, imagine what would happen if no one came to save you.
??? I dont see how this is neccessarily a face palm moment? Ok pokemon are intelligent creatures that can kill people? And? A normal person is intelligent and if they want could kill a person. That doesn't justify slavery. Now maybe theres something more specific your opposed to in Ghetsis' speech. I wont pretend to know the whole thing but if you're just opposed to the idea that enslaving pokemon is wrong then that's kind of stupid and concerning.
Great video! Just a few things to note though - The Sinnoh gym leader is a guy named Roark. Roxanne is the Hoenn gym leader. Easy to mix them up, since they are both rock-type specialists and the 1st gym of their respective regions. Fun fact, the steel-type specialist gym leader later on in Sinnoh is actually Roark's dad! That's why they look similar and both use the region's fossil pokemon. - Ilima is a guy, not a girl. Some people theorize that he was swapped with Mina, the fairy-type specialist you fight towards the end of the game, because having an femboy like Ilima be the fairy-type specialist wouldn't be a good look internationally. This theory points out how Ilima uses a smeargle and komala, while Mina is a sleepy painter. And Ilima has that pink hair, and those sparkly eyes that look like the fairy-type users of X and Y, plus his outfit looks similar to ribombee, Mina's ace. IDK if I believe it myself, but it is interesting to think about! - The rival in the Let's Go games is not Blue, actually. The real Blue is a character who shows up later in the game. Blue is less of a jerk in Let's Go. Red also shows up outside of the Indigo League once you are a champion to battle you. The fact that Red and Blue exist as characters means that either these games take place in an alternate universe, or you and your rival are Red and Blue's younger siblings.
Ah, firstgym%. The only time the Charmander line is actually usable. Except... wait a minute... if you go with Yellow instead Pikachu is even better in the early game. Here's why: Charmander starts with Scratch, which is a 40 power normal type move, and has a base attack of 52. Pikachu starts with Thundershock, which is a 40 power electric type move, and has a base special attack of 50. However, Thundershock is super-effective against Pidgey, Rattata's base special is 25 vs its 35 defense, Caterpie only has 20 base special vs Weedle's base 30 defense, and as a special move Thundershock bypasses Metapod's Defense Curl. So in theory, Pikachu has a significant advantage over Charmander for this route. The only two issues are the additional wild encounter at the start and the fact that you have to bash your way through Blue's Eevee during the lab rival battle, which from my experience is a harder fight than any of the matchups in Red and Blue. Oh, and the unskippable catching tutorial. Well, so much for the fire lizard's time to shine. Sure, it was faster, but it was faster for reasons unrelated to the starter itself. If Pikachu was a starter in Red and Blue, it would be faster than Charmander for this run.
so many comments are pointing out how he could have saved time in certain games by skipping optional things that aren't obviously optional and i'm just here wondering how he mixed up the gen 4 gym leaders and kept calling roark roxanne
May i suggest something? You may want to add chapters to your videos so people can click and go to their favorite games instantly and it seems like TH-cam favors videos that uses features like that in the algorithm.
I think HGSS should take even longer because, when you first get to the gym in Violet you can't actually tackle it yet, you need to do the Sprout Tower first
lol, when I read "in Violet", my mind instantly jumped to the Gen IX game and I was confused what that had to do with HGSS. Took me a hot second to remember that Violet is also the name of the first Johto gym's city 😅
i really liked ur video! keep up the good work :) u were just talking a little too slow for my adhd brain, but thats nothing i cant work with in the settings
'ight. Well I came from the second Video just now, so it wouldn't really make sense for me to make a prediction here since I did already see the graphs, but I think I'll do that for future videos. Well then hope to see ya in (hopefully) less than 3 motnhs. I'll still watch the video though, your commentary on these things is honestly really interesting.
I thought for sure it would be SWSH because of how large the gap is between the start of the game and the first gym (you're like lvl 20 then), but I may have underestimated the Alola games...
Something that would've been interesting for S/V is if you saved after the school, and then you had 3 different runs: First gym First titan First team star member Wouldve been cool for some extra content 🤪
there's actually speedrun categories for those three things, they're really fun because the runner makes a save file right after the school and skips the intro, so they take between 1-3hr depending on the run :)
With the quality of this video you should be raking in the subs. And your humor was brilliant, the coke-fiend Barry was particularly hilarious. Great job and I look forward to more videos
It would be funny if you beat all of SM/USUM since technically trials are not gyms, and an actual pokemon league is only made sometime after then end of the postgame
Great video mate loved when u said Barry was blowing ppl for blow 😂, but you made a mistake u cannot face the gym leader in HGSS without doing the bell sprout tower first , & possibly in the originals as well can’t remember
For Pokémon BW1, it’s not required to go to the Dreamyard before entering the Gym, so you could’ve saved a couple minutes.
whats the point if he cant challenge the gym
@@wedding6515The challenge is getting to the gym, not challenging the gym
@@Ryouski So in Gen 1 it would be Veridian City Gym. You can't challenge it, but you get to it much faster.
@@BrunerBearYou can't enter it though
@@ArcherJLady ThE cHaLlEnGe Is GeTtInG tO tHe GyM, nOt EnTeRiNg ThE gYm
Honestly astounding that the Fire Red/Leaf Green is so fast considering the brilliant idea they had to lock running shoes behind the first gym.
Well there were no running shoes at all in Red/Blue, so
@@samking4544 so? Its a remake, we already had running shoes in this gen. they should've just given the running shoes earlier in the game
Fun fact, in HeartGold/SoulSilver it's actually faster to play as Lyra.
This is mainly because Ethan and Lyra have different personalities text, and Lyra wastes way more time talking than Ethan.
The difference can be up to 20 seconds before the first gym.
Not only that, but also, Lyra takes extra time having a wild battle that the player cannot see prior to having the proper tutorial wild battle.
@@toumabyakuyaso basically Lyra likes to fuck around and talk peoples ear off while Ethan doesn’t?
@@OmegaQuinn Yeah, something like that. Ethan is more to-the-point meanwhile Lyra can get distracted easily.
@@OmegaQuinnid call that 'lyra is more fun' but, yes.
That.
If Lyra wastes more time than Ethan how is she faster than him?
Honestly, when you got to Alola I thought you'd play all of Sun/Moon and say, "wow, we never made it to the first gym!" then play Ultra Sun/Moon and play until you got to the Kantonian Gym
There was a Kanto gym in sun and moon??
@@dyllangames3592 not in Sun and Moon, in Ultra Sun and Moon. It was ran by Ryuki on Ula'ula Island. They had an article on Bulbapedia if you want to see more:
bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Kantonian_Gym
@@dyllangames3592yeah, it’s basically a tourist trap made to look like the electric gym
@@busofselfdoubt Huh? I don't remember anything like that.
@@dave_the_slick8584 It's in Malie city. there's even a unique NPC that appears on your second visit there
You calling Roark 'Roxanne' gave me unparalleled amounts of rage (/lhj)
Same. Like it shouldn't make me mad, but it does.
It gave me an existential crisis for half a second. I was like, “wait, wasn’t he a man???”
Honestly Roark was so forgettable to me that I can’t even tell if he was doing it on purpose or not
@@hummus_exual secretly Roark is just Roxanne post transition
That really confused me, lol. I was legitimately wondering if I got that wrong the entire time I've been playing these games because I knew there _is_ a first gym leader who uses stone type called Roxanne, but she's ofc fron the Hoenn games. 😅
I don't think XY get enough credit for just how fast and interactive everything is. From the tutorial, to the roller blades, to the fast save, to one of the faster battle system, it's so pleasant going back to those games and enjoy how polished everything is. These are the only game in the franchise where I actually found the visual impressive and where you can tell the devs are proud of them, because after this point it's either oversaturated or plain ugly.
while I agree that XY looks great and was a big jump in graphics, I'll also have to state that SM/USUM looks gorgeous and much better than XY (LGPE and SwSh are also cool, I think the trend of absolute horrible graphics started with PLA)
@@nathanalexandre137they all have their own charm
Graphics don’t matter what makes Pokémon games look good is their personality and creativity
They don’t look ugly they look unique and distinct and different
Ugly is a bit of a stretch
They look nice enough for Pokémon games
@@madnessarcade7447 yeah hell no, PLA is ok but SV has locations that suck to look at
they need to look good, that's what I mean about graphics. Gen 1-7 have no issues (especially in the pixel style games)
Gen 8 is pretty good overall, but Gen 9... it is not a style thing, there are plenty of things that just doesn't look good, entire landscapes missing the textures
@@nathanalexandre137 though you have to give them credit, the actual Pokémon in gen 9 look great, this is easily the best Pokémon have looked in 3D when it comes to their models
Galar and Paldea have a long time to the first gym, but they really don't feel as opressive as the Gen 7 games. You get a lot more areas where you can just walk around catching Pokémon and you don't have STUPID situations like the stretch from the school to the Pokémon Center on the other side of Hau'oli City where you get stopped like every five steps. In Violet I think I played for three hours before reaching Mezagosa! Honestly I feel like the tutorial section of Sword and Shield actually ends when you reach the Wild Area.
I would even go as far as to say that the tutorials in Sun & Moon do not really end until the first island Kahuna.
@@intergalactic92 Pretty much. I just HATE Melemele Island. I'd probably have replayed Gen 7 by now if it wasn't for that stupid island.
@@intergalactic92or until the end of the game really, seriously what did we played
Even then they are still very long before they finally let the player alone. Even if you consider the wild area/the trainer school to be the end of the tutorial it still takes more than 20 minutes to go there.
@@artimist0315 The Alola Trainer school is NOT the end of the tutorial by a wide margin.
I feel like part of why newer generations have longer "tutorial" areas, aside from x and y, is because they spent so much time on this "really cool new mechanic that they want people to try out" and they want people to get it as early as possible. X and y understood that mega evolution was balance breaking in a way, and so they locked it behind the third or fourth gym. Memory not great, head empty. Whereas in sword and shield, Scarlet violet, they wanted you to be able to do big thing early.
What pokemon would you mega evolve before the first gym? They couldnt, even if they wanted to.
@@Nephenon Assuming you traded in the Mega Stones, and bred whatever Pokemon you wanted to use, playing with the newly hatched Pokemon, you can use Mega Kangaskhan, Pinsir, Aerodactyl, Heracross, Mawile, Lucario and Absol by the first gym. Also technically Scizor if you include Trading.
"x and y understood that mega evolution was balance breaking in a way"
uhm... that obviously isn't why they made mega evolution accessible at that point. If they cared about game balance, they wouldn't have broken it so badly in every other area. The reason they give terastallization and dynamax in the beginning but mega stones at the third gym is simply because the first two mechanics can be used by every pokémon while you barely have access to pokémon that can mega evolve before the third gym and it'd be pointless to give it to you earlier since you need fully evolved pokémon. Also, they learned on how they broke game balance by only giving Lysandre and Diantha a mega by having all gym leaders use the mechanic, so it makes sense from a game balance point to give you access to the mechanic from the start aswell. Same with Z-moves.
If you REALLY wanted Legends Arceus on this, you could've used the Nobles like you used the trials in Sun/Moon
why do the dreamyard, which is optional, but exclude the HGSS sprout tower, which is mandatory? you can't actually do anything in the gym until you complete sprout tower in hgss, so just going inside is useless. meanwhile you can attempt the gym without setting foot in the dreamyard in bw, it's just meant to be very difficult without doing so.
The ‘Barry’s on cocaine’ line legit made me hard lol. Well done buddy. Excellent idea for a video brilliant execution
I mean, teeechnically the Rotom phone is used again, if you jump off any tall enough thing it'll save you from death if you're not on your dragon.
41:01 I know everyone rags on Sword & Shield but that's actually a clever little bit of game design. Think about it from the perspective of a kid playing their first Pokémon game. You beat the Wooloo , your pokemon levels up and learns a new move, just out of curiosity you're naturally gonna wanna try out that move in the next turn. Its a neat little way to teach about type match ups.
100%! Story time - I actually had a little extra bit recorded but the mic did some weird buzzy thing halfway through the line and it sounded like I was on a 1920s phoneline, so I cut it out and couldn't be bothered re-recording it. But straight from the script:
"Which arguably, could be considered to be this game's version of a tutorial on types coz Hop does say "Did you already know about type advantages?" when you use a super effective move."
Kinda, but honestly, kinda not as well. I mean, of course these are clever ways to give you tutorials without the need to straight up telling you what to do, but when you consider that learning how to play pokemon was as simple as leveling up with your first rival fight, getting a STAB move and testing it against bugs in the forest, it feels like having hour long tutorials is really not necessary at all. Also, the main reason they're so long isn't even the stuff they teach you but the roundabout way they have to tell you everything. Modern pokemon games are just full of unnecessary dialogue (not unnecessary content, just dialogue I mean) that could be way shorter
@@cosmefulanito6854there is too much dialogue the rest of the time, that doesn’t stop this one moment from being good.
I love the fact that in scarlet and violet that if you don't go to the school and move the storyline forward, the day-night cycle and weather don't start. All the rivals and Gym Leaders leave you alone so you can just freely explore. You can get most places because that whole fast travel Thing Once you access a points really helps. All I know is I got probably 80% of the Pokemon before I even had my ride Pokemon and there's enough random crap everywhere that keeps you sustained. In the end I spent 190 hours running around the world before I went to school that first morning. It's a challenge that I suggest to anyone cuz you don't have access to your ride Pokemon you are literally running around and using glitch method of throwing a Pokeball at a Pokemon that's on high ground or across a river and you get pulled over there to battle it. I even got two of the steak Pokemon.
That sounds fun as hell actually
I was really confused about steak pokemon for a moment there.
Hm yummy, steak Pokémon!😋😂
I could have sworn HGSS made you go through Sprout Tower before you can fight the first gym.
Yeah, it does. He just plain forgot.
58:22 the reason being each game recently has prioritized lore and the story way more than past games
I had an "oh boy here we go" moment when you git to sun and moon remembering the nightmare that was that games pacing.
just wanna say, the rival in the lets go games is named Trace, actually. additionally the male protag is chase and the female protag is elaine
Damn, I thought this was one of those channels with over a 100k subscribers, I was pleasantly surprised to see such quality from a growing youtuber and I def hope to see you grow man. Amazing content, amazing creator
Ditto
You can skip the catching tutorial in Sword & Shield simply by catching any pokemon on route 1.
49:58 the Rotom Phone breaks your fall when you drop off any cliff and aren’t riding Koraidon
A few things worth noting:
Roxanne is the Hoenn Rock-type Leader, not the Sinnoh one. The Sinnoh leader is Roark
HGSS is an odd case because while you can walk into Violet Gym, it's technically not challengable proper until Sprout Tower is cleared
You're not required to go to the Dreamyard before entering Striaton Gym in BW
Speaking of different names, the rival in Let's Go is actually a new character named Trace. Blue is instead a more minor character in the games
I'd say that at least with SwSh and SV, I wouldn't exactly call everything before the first gym tutorial stuff. You actually get a lot that you can do before you make it to the first gym.
Barry on cocaine, your attempts to pronounce Ha'ouli and the Team Skull grunts having a seizure were my fave parts LOL xD
You could have turned animations off in gen 2 and 3 to save you some time. Also, Roark is the first gym leader in gen 4, not Roxanne.
I mean, I would think, because they show up on your "trainer card" like the badges and the island challenges do, that the totem pokemon would count as the "badges" for legends arceus
I'm REAL tired so this might sound like a criticism, I meant it as more of a "you said you wanted an excuse to play PLA, here's an idea that could've been done there"
Was calling Roark "Roxanne" intentional? What the hell haha
I'm a Female and I've played EVERY Generation of Pokemon (Cartridge) Games up to , and including Violet. As a Pokemon Fanatic NOTHING made me happier than Finally getting to play as a Girl.
I’ve always preferred when it takes longer to get to the first gym and when there’s larger time gaps in between gyms instead of just knocking them out back to back to back. I like the games to be filled with more content and story (as long as it’s not sun and moons obnoxious endless cutscenes)
Ultra Sun is made unplayable for me by the insane amount of tutorials and cutscenes alone! I like the Pokémon and the story looks intriguing, but it's just no fun to play.
I've had that game for two years, only played it for seven hours total and I don't see this number getting bigger anytime soon. Easily the worst Pokémon game I've played so far and only one of two which I haven't played through in one go. The other is Legends Arceus, don't know how many hours I got in that one, but at least I did have fun with that one in the beginning, till I realized how repetitive the gameplay is.
@@LRM12o8I quit that game after being forced to take some pictures and pay a Tauros down. Such an obnoxious games
@@hardlo7146The cutscenes were awful but I liked it. Last game where you can use every pokemon as well.
i guess the gender and name confusions with Roark, Illima, Trace & Bede
are all jokes
and the SV phone isn't magical, it is because it is a Rotom, they have levitate
one common trend i keep noticing is how before the first gym challenge, we always come to a tutorial town where we get an idea of what to do when we arrived into a city before we actually go into a city that has a challengeable gym
is it just me or does Geeta looks like a grimmsnarl from behind
Just, little detail.
The rival in Let's Go isn't Blue as you met him, Red and Green later on in the game.
Subbed cause I named him 'Cokeboy' long before I saw this vid, and was pleased someone had assumed the same thing I did.
"Wally hits his 4% Ralts firt try" man had me laughing so hard here.
It's kind of a cool way to show that there's a rare Pokémon on this short early game route. Most players would get through this route with 2 or 3 encounters and never return, not knowing what they were missing out on, if it wasn't for Wally showing us his incredible luck.
I always saw the yellow Lord/Ladies as the "gyms" of Legends Arceus
the tutorial length of sun/moon killed my enthusiasm for these games as i played it
also surprised that the hoenn games aren't longer! it always felt much longer, but then there is a lot of extra stuff to get sidelined by
Same, I really wanted to enjoy Ultra Sun as the Pokémon look cool and the story around cosmog, the weird cyborg-team and Ultra-Beasts look enticing (though team skull are pure cringe), but I gave up after 7 hours of total playtime because the endless tutorials are just not fun.
I don't mind it much in the Generations though, as those are just short interruptions and afterwards you're free to go on your own again, even though the choice to just give the player the box legendary right at the start in S/V was odd and kinda took away the mystery of encountering the legendary throughout the story until eventually catching it in the srory finale.
That was part of the fun for me, it’s also why I replay FF VII so much. USUM are fun when you beat them as every pokemon is usable for the last time. (So far)
1:15 pokemon red
3:10 pokemon yellow
4:05 pokemon gold
6:00 pokemon crystal
6:50 pokemon ruby
9:35 pokemon emerald
10:00 pokemon fire red
10:55 pokemon diamond
15:15 pokemon platinum
17:20 pokemon heartgold
19:15 pokemon black
23:25 pokemon black 2
26:20 pokemon x and y
28:35 pokemon omegaruby
29:50 pokemon sun and moon
36:00 pokemon ultramoon
37:25 pokemon lets go eevee
39:25 pokemon sword
46:15 pokemon brilliant diamond
47:10 pokemon scarlet
Thanks heaps for this!
@@ChuVsMe no problem. You put so kuch effort in i figured i could spend a couple minutes helping out and also showing an example of what i meant. Constructive criticism isn't worth much if you don't show someone how to do it. Plus you gave me a hour of entertainment for free its the least i could do. So if you wanna copy and paste it into your description it'll make chapters in your timeline in your actual video that people can see and press.
Great Video! I think it would also be very interesting to see how long it takes to get from the 1st Gym to the 2nd in every Pokémon game. In my memory that’s where some of the biggest gaps have been in terms of progression
You can actually get through Sinnoh without a Fire type and just to let you know Skuntank learns Flamethrower straight away after it evolves from Stunky so you have a great Pokemon with an awesome Fire type move.
You can get through every single Pokémon game without a fire type.
I'm surpriswed that he didn't go through Colosseum and XD. They do have a gym, after all.
Oooh, part 2? Haha
XD is so hard to get a hold on though. This game is so darn expensive! 😢
_"We have a quick battle with Pneumonia."_ When i tell you i died..
Playing through Diamond and Pearl is like watching a TH-cam video on .5 speed, can't be done without a lot of rage.
Wow, this was a trip down memory lane.
If you can’t believe that Bede is a guy, wait until you hear about Ilima. And if that blows your mind, wait until you hear about Sinnoh’s “Roxanne”! XD
Thanks for doing this! I had a thought recently about how long it would take to get to the first gym of each region. I had thought XY was longer, but I must be thinking about the gap between gym 1 and gym 2 instead.
Those horns for Team Yell might be comparable to vuvuzela? I dunno.
Chikorita was my favourite starter from gen 2 when I was a kid! But Cyndaquil was super cute too!
Something I noticed while watching this, as the games stories get more complex the time to reach the first gym gets longer. Like, the first game really only has Blue to introduce while gen 9 has a bunch more characters
Love how you approach challenges in an efficient and skilled manner, but its still relatable to "normal" gamers. As someone that watches a lot of challenge- and speedrunners I am kind of bored by literally perfect runs that have been routed and executed to absolute exhaustion. Its so much more exciting to watch someone being presented with surprises and hurdles to overcome on the way and makes it feel like it could actually be me trying the challenge, which is so much more engaging to follow.
I love finding small channels that make high quality content. It's nice to support them and they seem genuinely appreciative of the support. You earned my sub, like, and favorite. Awesome video. Please keep it up. I couldn't believe the sub number when i saw it. I thought you'd have at least 150k for the quality you put into these videos. You'll blow up soon enough you deserve it!
UsUm has an unofficial gym on the third island, If this gym was legit it might take 2 or 3 hours to get there xD
Why does Milo have a Wooloo....two reason Gym Challenge and He's a Farmer
37:56 Just a note: that's not Blue, that's Trace; Blue shows up later, and, while he isn't _as_ mean as the original, he's still clearly the same character.
50:01 The Rotom Phone catch thing is the game's way of saving you if you fall of a cliff while not on your ride Pokémon. So it's only used as often as that happens.
12:17 When I play gen dp&p I pick Piplup,I played this games so much that I don't even need a fire type
It's not like the region has Fire-Types anyway.
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2:10
In this specific instance. I agree that Charmander is the better option because if it's not 100% accurate its 50% accurate.
But if you're playing a Kanto game just regularly. My boy Bulbasaur is your best bet. Due to the overall layout of the Kanto gyms. It has a downright advantage against the first two and it resists the third. That and he's the cutest starter out of all three anyway.
Bulbasaur is the goat.
You mean the frog that only learn grass move at level 10 while the other two learn stab move at 7. 😂😂😂
The first gym is like level 12 so it’s really not so different
@@recentmap7268 You say that as if those 3 levels couldn't be achieved in the span of 3 minutes. Most people farm until they get their first STAB move too
I'm gonna blow your mind here for a sec. Did you know you can catch wild pokemon? Simply buy some pokeballs in the mart and throw it at any wild pokemon you encounter. That will help you in the gym battles where your starter might have a disadvantage. Crazy,i know.
Great video but I have a quick question. In HG/SS, do you have to beat the sage at the top of Sprout Tower before you can battle Falkner? If so, shouldn't that be counted as necessary to do before you can reach the gym? Would probably push the time to over 30 mins if so.
I think you’re right! Would definitely push it over 30 - there’s a few trainer battles in there too.
As soon as I saw Pokemon sun and moon I instantly said yup...this is why the video is so long😂 plus scarlet and Violet on top of that oof
The flying phone is a game mechanic if you go down a cliff while navigating. I believe the game also sometimes lets you warp back to the top if you didn’t intend to drop.
Barry will forever be a coke fiend in my head thank you haha 😂
Ok, when you said "Ghetsis kinda has a point", I facepalmed. Keep in mind that Pokemon are intelligent creatures with abilities that could kill a human. The human isn't the one wearing the pants in that relationship, with the exception of a few exceedingly weak Pokemon like Magikarp (and even then Magikarp learns Flail at lv. 15). And before anyone tries to argue that Pokeballs are brainwashing machines, Yellow version's Pikachu, the Farfetch'd in Elix Forest from GSC and HGSS and the disobedience mechanic for traded Pokemon in previous generations prove otherwise.
there's never been a case in the games where a pokemon has outright killed their trainer, even with malicious evil teams like team rocket
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Someone hasn't read any pokedex entries...
@@VestedUTuber show me where you actually see it in game. The dex changes every game so I don't view those as the end all. Even between different versions of the same game they can change.
@@chuyuen441
"show me where you actually see it in game."
You're asking me to show you an explicit example - not a lore-based or implied one, but an EXPLICIT example of a Pokemon killing a human _IN A GAME MADE FOR KIDS._ Do you not see the problem there? I could point out that a major plot point for Legends: Arceus is that wild Pokemon in that era were aggressive and dangerous and you'd literally reject that simply because we don't see someone getting bloodily run through by a Scyther's talons on-screen.
That being said, we've seen situations where it very reasonably could have happened:
Ruby: Groudon would have completely sterilized the planet with intense heat had it not been stopped.
Sapphire: Kyogre would have completely flooded the planet, making it inhospitable for human or any other land-based life, had it not been stopped.
Emerald: Kyogre and Groudon would have left the planet completely uninhabitable due to weather extremes had Rayquaza not been woken up to intervene.
Diamond and Pearl: Dialga/Palkia would have basically altered space-time to the point where nothing could exist if Cyrus wasn't stopped.
Platinum: In addition to the above, Giratina dragged Cyrus into a world that, while technically habitable, basically had no ability to support human life.
Black 2/White 2: Indirect case of actual murder by a Pokemon. Ghetsis used Kyurem's ice-type abilities to power the cryo-canon on the Plasma Frigate, which was then used to freeze an entire city full of people. He also outright orders Kyurem, which is NOT kept in a Pokeball I might add and thus not subject to any supposed "brainwashing", to kill the player with Glaciate, and is only stopped by the timely intervention of N and whichever Dragon of Legend he has based on the version of the game - this is probably the closest we get to an on-screen "death by Pokemon". Also, Ghetsis doesn't just wear an eyepatch for show, background lore states that his Hydregon tried to eat his face at one point and he lost his eye as a result.
Omega Ruby: See Ruby
Omega Sapphire: See Sapphire
Ultra Sun/Ultra Moon: Necrozma ate the sun of a planet with a civilization on it, forcing them to rely on artificial sources of light. Knowing how important sunlight is to a planet's climate and ecosystem, that civilization is on borrowed time. We also see in the Ultra Ruin that Guzlord literally ate an entire city and the few people that are left live in hiding for fear of being eaten themselves.
Sword/Shield: Not directly shown, but the continued references to the "Darkest Day" and giant Pokemon guarantees that things reached the Godzilla threshold, and that always comes with a death toll.
Legends: Arceus: You black out and wake up back at camp, implying you were rescued. Now, imagine what would happen if no one came to save you.
??? I dont see how this is neccessarily a face palm moment? Ok pokemon are intelligent creatures that can kill people? And? A normal person is intelligent and if they want could kill a person. That doesn't justify slavery. Now maybe theres something more specific your opposed to in Ghetsis' speech. I wont pretend to know the whole thing but if you're just opposed to the idea that enslaving pokemon is wrong then that's kind of stupid and concerning.
Great video! Just a few things to note though
- The Sinnoh gym leader is a guy named Roark. Roxanne is the Hoenn gym leader. Easy to mix them up, since they are both rock-type specialists and the 1st gym of their respective regions. Fun fact, the steel-type specialist gym leader later on in Sinnoh is actually Roark's dad! That's why they look similar and both use the region's fossil pokemon.
- Ilima is a guy, not a girl. Some people theorize that he was swapped with Mina, the fairy-type specialist you fight towards the end of the game, because having an femboy like Ilima be the fairy-type specialist wouldn't be a good look internationally. This theory points out how Ilima uses a smeargle and komala, while Mina is a sleepy painter. And Ilima has that pink hair, and those sparkly eyes that look like the fairy-type users of X and Y, plus his outfit looks similar to ribombee, Mina's ace. IDK if I believe it myself, but it is interesting to think about!
- The rival in the Let's Go games is not Blue, actually. The real Blue is a character who shows up later in the game. Blue is less of a jerk in Let's Go. Red also shows up outside of the Indigo League once you are a champion to battle you. The fact that Red and Blue exist as characters means that either these games take place in an alternate universe, or you and your rival are Red and Blue's younger siblings.
You had some solid humor here. Good job
In HGSS, you should have picked the girl, like every speedrunner ;)
the new evil team.. behold “team seizure” 😂
Thank you for making this. It's very good for game recommendations :)
Ah, firstgym%. The only time the Charmander line is actually usable. Except... wait a minute... if you go with Yellow instead Pikachu is even better in the early game. Here's why:
Charmander starts with Scratch, which is a 40 power normal type move, and has a base attack of 52.
Pikachu starts with Thundershock, which is a 40 power electric type move, and has a base special attack of 50. However, Thundershock is super-effective against Pidgey, Rattata's base special is 25 vs its 35 defense, Caterpie only has 20 base special vs Weedle's base 30 defense, and as a special move Thundershock bypasses Metapod's Defense Curl. So in theory, Pikachu has a significant advantage over Charmander for this route. The only two issues are the additional wild encounter at the start and the fact that you have to bash your way through Blue's Eevee during the lab rival battle, which from my experience is a harder fight than any of the matchups in Red and Blue. Oh, and the unskippable catching tutorial.
Well, so much for the fire lizard's time to shine. Sure, it was faster, but it was faster for reasons unrelated to the starter itself. If Pikachu was a starter in Red and Blue, it would be faster than Charmander for this run.
going from gym 1 to gym 2 in XY seems like it takes forever
Pneumonia be there like "yeah I'm on NG+, cry about it n00b"
Great video so far, just thought it was funny that in the Diamond/Pearl and Platinum games, you confused Roark for Roxanne😂 14:53 17:03 46:39
Gen 4 has forgettable gym leaders it wasn’t till Unova gym leaders became memorable, like look at Galars leaders.
so many comments are pointing out how he could have saved time in certain games by skipping optional things that aren't obviously optional and i'm just here wondering how he mixed up the gen 4 gym leaders and kept calling roark roxanne
“Nuh RAN Juh” I’m crying it’s “nah RAHN ha” it’s Spanish for orange
i love this content i hope you get 2k subs by the end of the mounth you seem amazing
this is such an amazingly well made video, big ups!
Oh wow I didn't realised you're a small channel. This is a really great video and your voice and melody are very recognizable. Wish you the best.
Him calling her "Pneumonia" has made my day
15:10 - Small Error, that's Roark, NOT Roxanne, and he's a boy btw...
May i suggest something? You may want to add chapters to your videos so people can click and go to their favorite games instantly and it seems like TH-cam favors videos that uses features like that in the algorithm.
Like this
1:15 pokemon red
3:10 pokemon yellow
4:05 pokemon gold
6:00 pokemon crystal
6:50 pokemon ruby
9:35 pokemon emerald
10:00 pokemon fire red
10:55 pokemon diamond
15:15 pokemon platinum
17:20 pokemon heartgold
19:15 pokemon black
23:25 pokemon black 2
26:20 pokemon x and y
28:35 pokemon omegaruby
29:50 pokemon sun and moon
36:00 pokemon ultramoon
37:25 pokemon lets go eevee
39:25 pokemon sword
46:15 pokemon brilliant diamond
47:10 pokemon scarlet
I like how you can watch this entire video and still not get to the first gym in like a 3rd of these games
Bloody well done sir! I tip my Galarian Weezing mega tall top hat to you 🎩🎩🎩
My duo in Gold & Silver in the first gym were Cyndaquil and Pidgey.
I think HGSS should take even longer because, when you first get to the gym in Violet you can't actually tackle it yet, you need to do the Sprout Tower first
lol, when I read "in Violet", my mind instantly jumped to the Gen IX game and I was confused what that had to do with HGSS.
Took me a hot second to remember that Violet is also the name of the first Johto gym's city 😅
lol XD@@LRM12o8
You got the like! And the sub! You made me want to play aaaalllllll the games (until now I only played kanto games -and a bit of johto)
i really liked ur video! keep up the good work :)
u were just talking a little too slow for my adhd brain, but thats nothing i cant work with in the settings
The battle at the gym everyday. Its called my tolite.
At the rate they're going, the next generation will take an entire day to reach the first gym.
so uh.... how many times in this videa did you call roark roxanne?
'ight. Well I came from the second Video just now, so it wouldn't really make sense for me to make a prediction here since I did already see the graphs, but I think I'll do that for future videos. Well then hope to see ya in (hopefully) less than 3 motnhs.
I'll still watch the video though, your commentary on these things is honestly really interesting.
18:42 Classic Rival name 😂
I was looking hard for this comment. I can’t believe more people have not noticed.
I thought for sure it would be SWSH because of how large the gap is between the start of the game and the first gym (you're like lvl 20 then), but I may have underestimated the Alola games...
Something that would've been interesting for S/V is if you saved after the school, and then you had 3 different runs:
First gym
First titan
First team star member
Wouldve been cool for some extra content 🤪
there's actually speedrun categories for those three things, they're really fun because the runner makes a save file right after the school and skips the intro, so they take between 1-3hr depending on the run :)
This was really fun actually. Very interesting.
For the gen 4 games you called roark, roxanne.
With the quality of this video you should be raking in the subs. And your humor was brilliant, the coke-fiend Barry was particularly hilarious. Great job and I look forward to more videos
20:40 cheren be like
Before
Dont battle indoors
After
Eh screw it lets battle [player]
Unexpected bojack in the description 😂
U forgot about Pokemon Gale of Darkness. Witch is on the GameCube, the Counsel before the Nintendo switch was created.
It would be funny if you beat all of SM/USUM since technically trials are not gyms, and an actual pokemon league is only made sometime after then end of the postgame
I can't believe he kept calling Roark the wrong name (Roark is the first gym leader in Diamond, Pearl, Platinum, Brilliant Diamond and Shining Pearl)
...the stretch to the first gym feeling like a tutorial is probably because it is the tutorial for the game
I love that Diamond was played on my birthday. It’s my favorite of the two since I prefer Dialga.
Why does no one else ever talk about gen 3 having the best capture tutorial?
Great video mate loved when u said Barry was blowing ppl for blow 😂, but you made a mistake u cannot face the gym leader in HGSS without doing the bell sprout tower first , & possibly in the originals as well can’t remember