Yeah, I expected this to be a draw, and it made perfect sense strategically for Carlsen to aim for this match to be decided in favourable time control, but this title got me so hyped that I was pissed off when the exact thing I expected to happen happened.
Would have been great to pause at move 31, give us a couple of seconds as usual, then ... “Congratulations, if you found the offer of a draw in this promising position, you are indeed an excellent annoyer of the chess world” I think this might come back to haunt Carlsen - playing not to lose is bad juju.
"playing not to lose " whaaat? He played very ofensive game here. And decided to draw, cause it would be stupid of him to risk the title if he doesnt' have to
00:00 -> Only 25 minutes for the final game? --> They refused to play | 04:00 -> A new Sveshnikov variation. Interesting! | 11:00 -> Opposite castle sides! Superintersting!!! | 18:00 -> This is almost winning for black!!! Now I feel it in the air, it's time for a winning blow, or an epic blunder!!! But ... why there is so little time left??? Moreover why agad is so upset??? | 19:48 -> Blue screen of death
Both players took there seats and looked at the board B4 making there first move, and it was in this position both players agreed to a draw, as they are equal in material and there is nothing to do here . . . GG 🦊 😎
The result means that, after a day off on Tuesday, this year’s championship - which began Nov. 9 - finally will be decided on Wednesday. After three weeks of hourslong daily games, Carlsen and Caruana will first face off in four speed chess games, with each player limited to only 25 minutes to play all their moves. Should the match still be tied after the speed games, the players would begin a series of two-game blitz matches, in which they would be given only five minutes to make all their moves. If either player takes the lead after any of these two-game matches, he would win the title. Carlsen is considered the favorite in this format; he is the No. 1 blitz player in the world, while Caruana ranks only 18th. -www.nytimes.com/2018/11/26/sports/world-chess-championship-draw-tiebreaker.html Hope You have a good Day . . . 🦊 😎
@@harrellt1405 far from it. Theres been good chess. Multiple games had winning positions that weren't converted to wins. If you think classical is boring because of a statistical anonmly in the number of draws in a 12 game match, you're more worried about the result than the actual chess being played.
And after drawing all their rapid games, they'll have to toss a coin which, unfortunately, will land on the edge... then, although the wind and the time remaining being in favor of Carlsen, this latter will propose a draw.
Carlsen offering a draw made me so angry, finally the game was getting interesting AND it looked like we might have a decisive game and that's how it ends
I'm speechless right now. Last classical game, I was super on edge watching, really interesting game, Clarsen looking dominant, but they draw in the midgame???? Honestly I find it hilarious!
@@AugustSchroif It was in black's favor during the midgame. Carlsen said he didn't want to risk it and knew Caruana would accept the draw. Carlsen is saying he has better chances with rapid than to win that game, which seems controversial but I guess also understandable.
I have started a chess club at my school. Were around 30 or something. Thank you so much for the analysis. You have taught me so much. the way you teach me, i teach the smaller kids. It has really become a great way to unite students.
I Fischer was correct about chess and theory killing the game. The current state of super computer prep is finishing it off. Time for Fischer random rounds
To be fair, when Carlsen said "I don't care" I think he was reacting to being asked about a computer line as if it were an obvious thing to play. He really hates it when random patzers ask "why didn't you play this or that computer move?".
The only thing this match has accomplished is to lower my opinion of both players. At the beginning of the match, I wanted Caruana to win. I don't like Carlsen that much, and being American of course I would love to see an American hold the title. However after 12 games it is obvious to anyone that Carlsen is the superior chess player. If I had to summarize the play of Caruana I would say he plays like someone with an eidetic memory who seeks to memorize every single possible position in chess. Caruana's preparation has been unbelievable but Carlsen's superior chess ability has been enough. Then you have Carlsen who can seemingly find at worst a good move in any position. Because of this ability, before this game, I had actually changed my mind and I was hoping Carlsen would win because I want the best chess player to be world champion. But for Carlsen to agree to a draw in a game and position like this is egregious to me, and the very antithesis of what a champion is and ought to be. I will continue to keep track of what happens, but overall I am beyond disappointed and feel this match has been bad for chess. But on a bright note your videos have been great (as always). I especially like all of the "what if one of these players actually took a risk" scenarios.
Only do thrash talk if you can sit in place of one of them . Oh sorry , you are not able to do that . Why ? Because you are just a thrash talker , first get a rating of a GM and then talk .
Shemsuh0r appreciate the reply sir. Couldn’t agree more with everything you said. I’m not trash talking anyone. Just voicing my opinion, and I think near everyone that has followed the match feels the same.
Hey agadmator, I honestly thought you were trolling when you said both players draw. You sound disappointed and perhaps slightly angry when you talk about supercomputer moves and human intellect in chess. You passion and love for this game is what keeps me comming back to this channel.
@@GreetingsFromArrakis Check agadmator's community post. He shows the tweet from Kasparov. He basically said that he doesn't think Carlsen has the mental fortitude to win fast format games.
This was a disgrace Edit: To explain, even in his press conference: "I don't care" if I had a better position. He knew he had chances but admitted he really wasn't trying. If your favorite player was yourself from 3-4 years ago, then the only thing stopping you is that attitude...
TheNewStyle Why though? It’s so easy to draw this position for Caruana, both players knew this is a waste of time. For Carlsen it’s an easy win in rapids so why forcing yourself to draw yet another game? His winning position was in tournament not in game, see the bigger picture.
Yea tactically speaking what Carlsen did was an ingenious move , why risk your world champion title for the sake of 1 win in classical time format when he greatly excels in blitz games ? He should do this for every world champion challenger and he will never be dethroned, a true world champ must be able to play well in all time formats.
@@el_kasztanejlo8555 Incorrect. Fabi in the press conference was saying that while the worst was behind him, he didn't enjoy his position and was "surprised" by the draw offer. Yes Magnus didn't jeopardise his title in this situation to have a better chance in blitz, but it's a bitch-made move. All that interest and all those fans who have made it through the 11 drawn games. Carlsen didn't have the balls when it mattered.
While I can empathise with your position, I think "disgrace" is a bit harsh. There is another side to looking at it. You don't get to become world chess champion thinking only a few moves ahead, you have to start thinking a few games ahead.
Carlsen knows he holds a clear edge in Rapid / Blitz games. I don't think he finds them more challenging at all. If anything the opposite. He's taking what he sees as the easier path, IMO.
I feel Carlsen choked the first two games away and then scrambled for draws until this game, which he had a really strong position and...drew. I'm annoyed by both players at this point, but still have to root for Carlsen as I feel he's a more 'pure' player where Caruana is just a memorization machine.
Really surprising to see magnus offer a draw in a better position and huge time advantage ...stress !! ? Pressure ? Or has just decided to safely draw ?🙁
The fun continues :). Anyway, I understand the early draw offer, it's probably very exhausting and there's always the chance of a misstep. Claiming a draw with Black can be considered a win sort of, especially looking ahead to rapid chess where Magnus is the better.
I don’t understand why magnus offered a draw.this is just too weird.(even though he has the edge on rapid still winning position is a winning position)
Caruana is rated much lower than Carlsen in rapid and especially blitz. He figured he had a much better chance for a win there. 1 mil and reputation on the line, so why risk it?
#suggestion Could Medo -the chess dog, try to predict wos gonna win the Championship? Say, choosing between bowls of food/dog snack with players names on them?
Kramnik mentioned on the SCL stream that Magnus should be ashamed, and that if he was WCC he would never allow himself to offer a draw in this position because he would "not sleep for a month". He said a WCC should be dominant and feared and should try to set an example for other chess players.
DOPE son. I love what you've done with your hair, the camera angle and everything. The Person-Cam is a lot more appealing now and that gives me the feeling of watching someone who made it. I love watching people who made it. I'm not fast to forget, I remember posting a comment, telling you, your videos are awesome and that the personcam is the only thing where I was ablet to see room fast and noticable improvement. Now I'm back watching your videos (I don't always watch chess.. comes in phases) I see how you've done everything. I'm not naive enough to think it was my comment, BUT I'm still glad that you are looking out for yourself! It's a superficial world, the real work you are doing is amazing and I love when hard-working people don't slouch on the easy stuff out of pride, or something else. Loving it! Keep it up! Have a lot of success and enjoy yourself! You're doing beyond great. *edit* also loving that you include AI Ideas.. I really like the way you are doing it too. It's still all about the Players, but you still don't miss out on the ideas that can only be produced by pure calculation power. Yes! If I was as knowledgable about chess, I wish I'd do it like you do! This is how a chess-game is supposed to be presented in my opinion. You blindsided me. I really don't know what I could add as a way to say thank you. Maybe, it's an idea to show pictures of the players at critical points in the game. I don't know how much color these guys show. I'll tell you where I get the idea.. poker. People love seing HOW somebody acts while bluffing or being nervous in any other way. Just a thought, I know it's not much. But to be fair, you've really perfected your work.
MMA and Jui-Jitsu is often compared to chess. This game was an excellent example of how similar they can be when both sides would rather play it safe instead of fighting to win.
Yes, this has been a frustrating phenomenon where, as you mention, the level of quality drops considerably when the preparations are over. The reason I believe which I also sensed when I started playing some prep. Chess is not just about how you are making the best move possible as per the position, but about the best move possible as per the situation. A situation, unlike a position, entails the flow of the game as well as the play of the opposition, in the context of the progress so far. When you play chess with little or no prep, you continuously evaluate all positions and try to create a strategy, all the while guessing the strategy of the opponent. But when you prep, you mentally do not have that flow in your game. You do not know now what is the purpose of each of your piece and why it is in that position in the first place. And at this moment when the opponent makes a random move, you are caught unawares like you suddenly wake up for from your dream and do not know where you are. It is like being dropped into a middle game and asked to evaluate all positions within a few minutes. Psychologically one is not prepared for that and that is where the quality drops. As for the best moves when you are playing a game without prep, you can sense the flow and strategy of the opponent and psychologically trick him into making an inaccurate move or a mistake. Although the computer would surely say that it is a bad move but you would still win, as we saw in a lot of the older games. I think something should be done to discourage this. Since the direction computers are going is to find the absolute best move and when that happens every match is a guaranteed draw and then if players can memorize those moves you will always have a draw. The competition will now become who can memorise more. I think it is a bit disrespectful to chess for it to become merely a measure of memory power.
The advantage of pushing this game into tiebreak is that now the distribution of the price money will be 55%-45% winner will get 55 percent and the person who loses will get 45 percent on the other hand if this championship would have ended in this 12 game match then the distribution would have been 60%-40% soo the person who will lose this championship will get the advantage of 5 percent #IncreasingVastKnowlege
Why? Can you honestly blame Carlsen for what he did? Wouldn't you do the same? Would you put your title on the line on the LAST game of classical, meaning there is no way to make up for it if you screw up, just to entertain people?
@@aohbmaeid You are the world champion, not only do you want to prove to the world that you still deserve it, you also have to promote the game. Here, you have been, from game 2 to 11, outprepared shamefully, staying alive because clearly you are the better player. But here, on game 12 with a potential attack and a better position, you rather offer a draw to make sure you keep your title in Rapids. Even he, during the stream, was ashamed and angry of offering a draw, because for years, Carlsen was known to never give up and always look for the win no matter what, just like Bobby Fischer. But now, he gives up, chooses the easy way thinking he is going to beat Caruana during Rapids. Well, I wouldn't cry if Caruana punishes him for that, if the players were two russians we would scream for collusion, but here, it's just ''strategic''. Yeah right.
@@charlesmondon1803 Yes, he has been outprepared by Caruana's engine lines the entire match, yet if you look at the moves being played, Magnus is the one trying to complicate the position throughout the match, looking for new lines and ways to push an advantage into a win. How can you morally castigate him for playing it safely when he's in a situation where one wrong move can cost him the championship? Had it been earlier in the championship I would be here with you, angry at his cowardice. But on game 12? He doesn't want to lose his title because of one inaccuracy in the last game on classical format. A better position is *not* a winning position. It was a complicated position with no obvious path to victory. Even if Carlsen knew he was better, which he definitely did, he likely couldn't find a move that he found to be winning, or there were too many variables and he feared a response that he missed. Looking at his performance in this match overall, Carlsen has proven to be shaming his usual standard, and his attitude is unappealing imo, but in this specific match, I dont find it right to call out this man just because he made the most strategically sound decision. You do what you can to gain the upper hand. That's why Caruana has been using cheap boring engine lines since he is inferior over the board, and that is why Carlsen has drawn this game. You don't like them for it? I don't either, but it's not fair to expect them to do otherwise knowing they are here to win, not to entertain you and give you better game results.
@@aohbmaeid They're both refused sportsmanship rivalry in this game. They don't care about their fans, the game, and anything really, except of their *results* . Bobby Fischer was perfectly right - chess are ruined by computers. This is not a good game anymore. This is not art anymore. And all this match was probably pre-aranged - move by move. This is the sad truth of todays chess.
This channel is just the best. Every single you tuber can learn from agadmator. The way you present each match - with the intros, the photos, the in depth background and analysis of seen and unseen lines - purely amazing. Thank you so much for the regular amazing content!
Your final comments about computer preparation and how the quality of the game changes are very interesting. That's the kind of questions the reporters should ask the players at the press conferences!
@Michael Smith we will never know the answer and can have fun debating that subject to no end but I suspect Fisher karpov korchnoi tal botvinnik at their best would have nothing to fear from players of today . Bronstein also could give these guys a run for their money. IMO
@Michael Smith If they had access to supercomputers, they would. They wrote the theories these guys use, after all. Fischer with a 180 IQ, to Carson's 135, plus his perfect photographic memory, would slaughter Carlsen. Karpov, and Capablanca would too. Capa, and Fischer were proven to be the most scientifically correct players, if you do not count opening theory up to move 12 (which changes in and out of fashion, and has evolved since their lifetimes) aside from Carlsen. Way better than Caruana. Hell, Karjakin did better in the first 12 games than Caruana, at least he drew blood from Magnus. Fabi missed so many chances this match, and Magnus, too.
@Michael Smith if you play the same two openings for 12 games your knowledge is not superior....just like agadmator says ...once you get past memorized lines their play drops dramatically.....where the legends got better as the game went on...
Despite some of the rash and rude comments about this game I actually enjoyed it. I know the torment chess brings on the mind with calculating endless variations. I really wish people could just accept the game for what it is and stop complaining because it didn't go the way they wanted. If you don't like it please leave and stop acting like children. Congrats on 300k subscribers agadmator, I've been watching your videos since 140k, keep up the great work.
Something needs to change. This is way too early to agree to a draw. The moderator should have to allow it. They're not even close to just a king and bishop on the board. They should disallow three fold repetition. For instance, third time, you can't repeat the move. I really hope supercomputers and quantum computers don't come in and turn Chess into Tic Tac Toe.
@@edwardshowden5511 Oh, I'm so sorry that I just can't reach your level of intellect. Coming up with a statement like that really just puts geniuses to shame. You must be very special with that kind of creativity.
I love your analysis of how supercomputers changed how the game is played on top-level. And eventho it is not as clear to me, your analysis helps me to actually perceive the drop in skill! What do I think about that? Quite frankly.. for the moment it's a bit sad - BUT. And as you can tell that is a big-ass Butt. But Players will slowly catch up.. supercomputers are, if you look at the age of chess, a new thing. How to use there knowledge, when to use their knowledge and how to actually not get into positions that you can't navigate yourself out of perfectly on your own anymore will change. And this is actually what I think Carlsen is really strong at. In this game I've seen more glimpses of self-tried brilliance from Caruana. Yes, he was worse and I'm not great at chess, so I can't say for certain. But I simply had the feeling Carlsen just knew better how to get into positions that are already calculated out AND also knew better how not to get into situations, where he loses control. Obviously Caruana did a well enough job to bring Magnus Carlsen to the point, where he didn't feel secure enough to go for the win and in my opinion that's a sad thing. I really think a GM should have the balls to play out a position, where he obviously has an advantage and a lot of time on his side. I don't believe this is a Game that would have been drawn a couple of years ago, if by some miracle they would have gotten to the same point without supercomputers. I don't like how much Carlsen seems to depend on that. But believe me.. people will catch up to this. A lot faster than you'd expect. There will be different kinds of chessplayers born out of this new meta. That's what I think about that.
I was told Carlsen was good at somehow getting wins out of seemingly drawn endgames. From what I've seen so far, he seems better at getting draws out of seemingly winning positions.
Well done on uploading the analysis this soon! I've been following this series very closely and I must admit that I am quite disappointed that the next Champion will be determined by means of the rapid games. From what I've seen, it seems that there was inadequate preparations throughout the series - which in my opinion, is not acceptable as this not just a regular tournament. I'm also in full agreement with you when you say that matches played by grandmasters of this caliber seem to be memorizing lines as opposed to creating new ones. In your opinion, if Tal or Fischer were in this position, how do think they would have proceeded? Do you reckon that they would have taken the risk or also called it a draw? Ps. Your channel is amazing and I genuinely look forward to every video you upload. It's just consistent quality and somehow you manage to simplify such complex games for even beginner's to understand and enjoy! Keep up the good work! 😁
This drawn series means the rules should be changed. The challenger has to beat the champion in the 12 rounds, else the champion is unbeaten and so remains the champion.
@@nickbirrer The champion infront of you beat the old champion that way and proofed he is the undisputed World Champion. If you want to become World Champion, beat me. Bo 12-24. I don't care.
Bobby Fischer said "Blitz chess kills your ideas". Blitz tiebreaker is as crazy as photofinish victory in Olympics sprint where the timing of 2 runners is same for 2 decimal places...
Great work!! I loved the part at the end of the vid where you talk about preparations and human brain and I completely agreed with you!!! Greetings from Uruguay!!!
Because he saw that he can't make progress without taking risks in this position. He clearly was afraid about losing the crown with a single mistake in this game, preferring to go for the play-offs, where he still might have chances after losing one game.
Excellent commentary as always. Some great points on the difference in play between supercomputer preparation vs. human play. It does take some of the fun out of for me, i like the improvisation of the older games, where people make blunders but have to think on their feet.
100% correct. I have pointed out previously that nearly every game between these two men end up with them having often the exact same pieces in the last 20 minutes of the game. They mirror each other totally now with very slight variations, say, one has one pawn more than the other.
Another awesome review; I've been closely following all these games. This draw has frustrated me more than the last 11 draws combined. They were each down 1 pawn and one knight. Both are insanely skilled yet neither felt confident they could beat the other and just agreed to draw. The challenger should want to play for a win and the reigning champion should want to prove he is still better. These draws show they are both lacking either the motivation to win or they are scared of losing. Yes I get the stakes are high, but what happened to the spirit of competition and playing for a win? Too much playing it safe is what I think. This game showcases that sentiment perfectly.
Caruana was very well prepared. Magnus knew that. Now in the faster formats, Magnus clearly has the edge judging by their past records. With every draw Caruana was dragged into deeper waters by the biggest shark he has ever faced and he couldn't do anything about that. Now the title will remain in Europe. Disappointed but not surprised.
Thank you for your ramblings. They are very astute. The problem is that the long time control is dead in the age of computers. We used to have adjournments, but then computers made that format obsolete. So it is with the classical format. People blame the players as if it is a deficiency of character, when really they have been fighting tenaciously in an arcane and boring format. Long games lead to short matches where the specter of computer prep looms too large determination of the victor. Chess fans need to think about the game theory governing player behavior for the entire match. For example, what if Carlsen's coach would have convinced him to steer towards draws at every opportunity in order steer the match to rapids where he has a bigger advantage. Fans would whine and complain, but would it be bad coaching? No. It would be smart match strategy and it is a credit to Carlsen's sporting nature that he did not employ this strategy sooner. Imagine how much more exciting the entire match would be if they played 12 days of 2 or 4 rapid games per day. Wouldn't that be thrilling? Would anyone argue that the winner of that tortuous gauntlet was not the true champion? Grischuk called this game "the nail in the coffin of classical chess". He is right. It is time for chess to again adapt with the times.
MAGNUS 's reasons to draw game - 1.even if he loses WC he will be still world no 1 which he likes more than WC 2.he was hoping for draw after round 11 ,not to lose both WC and no 1 spot but his position was safe, odd decision by magnus
Drawing the game is (game-theoretically) the easiest way for Carlsen to win the match. He is showing his supreme confidence in faster time controls. This is a flex.
Maybe the best thing for Carlsen would be to lose. When he is too afraid to lose he seems to be unable to win. Maybe losing would set him free to play great chess again.
@@razvanfodor5653 He does, but at such high stakes I would think it natural for his instincts to lean towards a draw. He's a genius, but not a supercomputer. I want decisive games too, but I wouldn't shame him or Fabi for wanting to keep drawing it out, the format isn't helping them go crazy either.
Hello from Greece first of all I am a big fan of your channel and I want to thank you for introducing me to competitive chess and Magnus who is my favourite player so every day since this mach started I wait for you to upload your video because In my opinion you provide the best chess content in TH-cam and today when you said "the players agreed to a draw" I was disappointed not for me or because Magnus didn't win ( I believe he will win this mach) I am disappointed for chess because unlike some other of Magnus brilliant games I can't Shaw it to my friends who don't like chess and say that's the beauty of chess Keep the great work greetings from Greece
First of all, props to agadmator for doing his (usual) clear analysis of these games. Next, these guys are playing very precisely and avoiding traps. But they don't play gambit lines so it's pretty predictable. Glad the new setup features quicker time controls in the next games because it requires more thinking over the board and not so much memorization.
I think that computers ruined the beauty of chess. And it's really interesting what Tal would play in this position. I think he definitely wouldn't agreed to a draw ;)
The advantage with always following engine recommendations is that once your opponent deviates you can start thinking from the position of "why is this move not the best" so you're starting those games from mid game position with a slight advantage.
It kills the artistry. This happened to Go, too, after the computers playing each other made really boring games. I joked last year that the classic Go game by computers would be six stones long on each side and then the computers agree to a draw. This is now happening to HUMANS playing chess.
I thought chess folk were all about strategy? Why the bashing of Magnus? If you want to criticize anyone then it should be fabi, hesnthe challanger and hebhas to win the title, maybe stop just memorizing computer lines and show that you’re creative. Fabis performance as the challanger has been pretty poor, no creativity. Magnus has nothing to prove, he’s the champion and much better blitz player with a million on the line. Optiomal strategy calls for a draw with the black pieces and then punishment in blitz with a fat check and retaining your title. Well played Mr. Carlsen, you might be a decent poker player and you don’t even know it :) Great work aga as usual!
I support Carlsen, but this was even really good position for him, maybe even winning if we consider time on clock and pressure on Caruana through whole game long, so Carlsen shouldn’t accept draw here. I hope he will lose now, because that’s not the way a real champion should act. Much different from Carlsen from 2-3 years ago.
The only way either player can win is if the other makes a mistake. Of all the games thus far, I have yet to see either player make a mistake. Perhaps a move of lesser quality than was possible, but nothing you could truly call a mistake. I believe this is why Carlsen offered a draw. While his position seemed to be better, I believe he also felt that if he were playing Caruana's pieces, he could hold the game with them. In other words his position wasn't winning. Agadmator, thank you for another excellent presentation. You are truly excellent at what you do. :)
You know, when you're sitting at the board, you don't have a computer or a bar that tells you you're better. Sure Carlsen is a GM and can tell when he has the better position, but if you can't find the winning line out of it then what's the use? Apparently so many people can tell Carlsen that he could win that, I'd like to see them find a winning move without an engine. It was a complicated position and Carlsen couldn't calculate the right move, the obvious, safer decision was to draw, knowing Caruana would love to not risk it either.
@@aohbmaeid you're wrong on many levels... it's not about people thinking Magnus was better nor that it was a complicated position...it's about Magnus giving up on a game that had so much life in it still. What's Magnus known for? grinding and winning drawn positions, right? what have you seen tonight? and it's even more complex than this... Magnus was constantly outprepared this match but kept playing the same openings and positions... I am expecting a lot more from a world champion... Magnus simply lost his mojo... like he sad "my favorite player from the past s myself 4 - 5 years ago", he knows t and we knew it, we just didn't want to believe it.
@@slayerem What you say now is different from what you said in your original comment, to which my reply was based. So how am I wrong on "so many levels"? Considering everything up to this point, Magnus offering a draw in this position, as I have said, makes strategic, logical sense. That is what you criticized in your original comment. However, overall in this match, and with Carlsen's recent performance prior to the championship and during, I am also disappointed. Thoughts?
@@aohbmaeid My original comment was talking only about this game indeed but I have made these points on previous videos on this match... no use in repeating everything on every video... Thoughts? If Magnus doesn't wn the rapid/blitz he will have nightmares regarding ths game.
@@slayerem Well I couldn't have known about your comments on other videos, what I see is what I speak of, eh? Magnus might already be having nightmares, he values this title a great lot, his preparation and attitude reflects his mental state, and I dont like what I see.
i really appreciate these videos! i would be totally lost in the normal commentary as i am a beginner but you seem to explain even fairly simple moves that others assume everyone can see, but that i definitely would miss, like why qb5 was a bad move. i would have blundered my queen in that position lol
Armageddon for champion title is a joke. Even Blitz games are not fair. Better just playing enldless number of rapid games until someone gets certain points. That will be fair somehow.
i like it, to me the world champion should be the more complete player, better in classical, rapid and blitz altogether. the armageddon thing is just a way of saying (without saying it, but actually giving a chance to the challanger to prove it wrong) that the challanger couldn't beat the champion therefore the champion is still the champion.
I somewhat agree but if you can't win after that many games, there has to be a decision somehow. 12 draws + drawing in the following rounds means that if you lose the armageddon, you didn't manage to beat your opponent in the previous rounds despiten having cample chances and you have only yourself to blame.
@@mulder1979 Classical chess changed a lot. There is very little chance to win a single game. Even in the past there was a time when players had to play 24 games . Kasparov and Karpov had to play 48 games in 1984 and 40 of them was a draw. So 12 games is definitely not enough for today with such higher percentage of draws in all competitions.
@@mulder1979but it will have a decision, i didn't understand exactly your point there. the whole armaggedon thing is meant to be a decision which puts an end to the championship match. not having it would creat a risk of endless games which could extends for all eternity. the point is that the challanger should be able to beat the champion in 12 games + tiebreaks, if he can't then he is not the champion. to me it's seems very reasonable the way it is.
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Caruana: *Im gonna loss*
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And it was in this position, after 31 moves, that Paul Morphy, Mikhail Tal, and Bobby Fischer rolled over in their graves.
And it's in this position, after 31 moves that both players are out their preparation so they agreed to a draw.
I agree
I got clickbaited. "He, who dares, wins"
*draws in the middlegame*
Should be called, in Carlsen's mind "He, who draws, wins"
He who dares wins, and the picture of a pouting Carlsen to make you think Caruana won.
Yeah,me too!
Yeah, I expected this to be a draw, and it made perfect sense strategically for Carlsen to aim for this match to be decided in favourable time control, but this title got me so hyped that I was pissed off when the exact thing I expected to happen happened.
He who dares, wins.
Nobody dared.
Would have been great to pause at move 31, give us a couple of seconds as usual, then ... “Congratulations, if you found the offer of a draw in this promising position, you are indeed an excellent annoyer of the chess world”
I think this might come back to haunt Carlsen - playing not to lose is bad juju.
Caruana has been cautious for sure but this was at a different level. I’m a Carlsen fan btw.
Very funny. I laughed out loud, guffawed even.
That would have been brilliant! A classic moment for the channel if Agadmator had thought of it.
Yup.
"playing not to lose " whaaat? He played very ofensive game here. And decided to draw, cause it would be stupid of him to risk the title if he doesnt' have to
00:00 -> Only 25 minutes for the final game? --> They refused to play | 04:00 -> A new Sveshnikov variation. Interesting! | 11:00 -> Opposite castle sides! Superintersting!!! | 18:00 -> This is almost winning for black!!! Now I feel it in the air, it's time for a winning blow, or an epic blunder!!! But ... why there is so little time left??? Moreover why agad is so upset??? | 19:48 -> Blue screen of death
True story
The blue screen of death is a classic, good old glory days of win xp
Caruana rapper name is 50 Percent.
joke stealer
It was Magnus who offered a draw here.
Caruana takes it. 😂😂
I thought “Fabi Marijuana” also works
Caruana the best italian raper
Both players took there seats and looked at the board B4 making there first move, and it was in this position both players agreed to a draw, as they are equal in material and there is nothing to do here . . . GG 🦊 😎
D1G1TAL FOX classical is boring. Wonder when the rapid games are
The result means that, after a day off on Tuesday, this year’s championship - which began Nov. 9 - finally will be decided on Wednesday. After three weeks of hourslong daily games, Carlsen and Caruana will first face off in four speed chess games, with each player limited to only 25 minutes to play all their moves.
Should the match still be tied after the speed games, the players would begin a series of two-game blitz matches, in which they would be given only five minutes to make all their moves. If either player takes the lead after any of these two-game matches, he would win the title.
Carlsen is considered the favorite in this format; he is the No. 1 blitz player in the world, while Caruana ranks only 18th.
-www.nytimes.com/2018/11/26/sports/world-chess-championship-draw-tiebreaker.html
Hope You have a good Day . . . 🦊 😎
D1G1TAL FOX ....... "their" seats.
Do you even attend school kid?
@@harrellt1405 far from it. Theres been good chess. Multiple games had winning positions that weren't converted to wins. If you think classical is boring because of a statistical anonmly in the number of draws in a 12 game match, you're more worried about the result than the actual chess being played.
Agadmator: *moves random piece that doesn’t make sense*
“This was a very nice move”
It's because too many people push him for live videos. He also needs to lay back a bit and take more time for the analysis.
Pretty amazing that he does these videos in one take without editing
Black will enjoy this position
Could you do better?
@@cygnustsp not really
And after drawing all their rapid games, they'll have to toss a coin which, unfortunately, will land on the edge... then, although the wind and the time remaining being in favor of Carlsen, this latter will propose a draw.
The coin will split in two after a lightning bolt hits it. Zeus speaks!
Until, finally, they resort to pictionary to see who is better at drawing.
@@hughtube5154 The contour lines will be to difficult to prove
This made me laugh so hard
😂😂😂😂😂
24:23 Agadmator goes out of preparation and has to rely on his own abilities.
funtimenetwork hahaha that’s funny 😊
Thumb up if you also are a super GM who already knows everything about chess and came here just to learn more about handshake dynamics
I am no GM but I think handshakes are pretty important in chess
@@markrobs2954 wooooosh!
👍
no super gm knows eveything about chess, only more than everyone else, bar a few
@@driedpancake He was joking
i could hear caruanas sigh of relief from canada when carlsen offered the draw
Timestamp?
Carlsen offering a draw made me so angry, finally the game was getting interesting AND it looked like we might have a decisive game and that's how it ends
I'm speechless right now. Last classical game, I was super on edge watching, really interesting game, Clarsen looking dominant, but they draw in the midgame???? Honestly I find it hilarious!
@@minch333 More like ridiculous.
It was very sane. Why wasting 6 hours to get a draw when you can waste only half this time?
@@AugustSchroif It was in black's favor during the midgame. Carlsen said he didn't want to risk it and knew Caruana would accept the draw. Carlsen is saying he has better chances with rapid than to win that game, which seems controversial but I guess also understandable.
woah where did you get the headphones?
I have started a chess club at my school. Were around 30 or something. Thank you so much for the analysis. You have taught me so much. the way you teach me, i teach the smaller kids. It has really become a great way to unite students.
Kinda disappointed that Carlsen didnt push for more but at least there wasnt a draw by 3fold repetition by move 15 lol
iirc, there was an agreement with the WCC organisers, each game has to go 30 moves minimum. But not sure.
😂😂😂 i would have lost my marbles if they drew by repetition!!
@@stevenrichards640 Imagine if they simply at the beginning just jumped with their knights into 3fold repetition right at the start :D
That was a foreshadowing event, when I saw it I said, 'They love draws' at this point.
@@stevenrichards640 That would have been funny indeed! :-D
RIP classical chess. Time for Fischer random to become a competitive thing. No more prep, only understanding.
Yessss
I Fischer was correct about chess and theory killing the game. The current state of super computer prep is finishing it off. Time for Fischer random rounds
what exactly are Fischer random rounds ?
@@farmingmachine9723 when the pieces other than pawns are all in random order
Fischer random with a 30 minute analysis period before the first move would be awesome
Excellent commentary and "ramblings". Well said.
How to be super GM in 3 easy steps: 1) memorize all the moves; 2) play moves; 3) if you haven't won yet, agree to a draw.
Looking forward to the rapids. Something I can watch live
-pause video at the start 0.00,
- set play speed to 0.25 in settings.
- play and enjoy 😉😂
Hahahahahahagagagahhhaa
sounds like he's been hitting the bottle all week xD
That's the speed my brain need
hahahahahahahaha coroatian vodka is great hahahahahaha
0.5 also works but 0.25 is really amazing ahahahha xD
LET ME THINK OF A JOKE. DRAW?
To be fair, when Carlsen said "I don't care" I think he was reacting to being asked about a computer line as if it were an obvious thing to play. He really hates it when random patzers ask "why didn't you play this or that computer move?".
He Who Dares, Draws!
LOL! Weird title that one considering the outcome!
if these guys ever drew guns on each other, the bullets would literally cancel each other out in midair
and they'd have the same amt of bullets
Carlsen in mood Godfather : he offered a draw Caruana couldn't refuse....
The only thing this match has accomplished is to lower my opinion of both players. At the beginning of the match, I wanted Caruana to win. I don't like Carlsen that much, and being American of course I would love to see an American hold the title. However after 12 games it is obvious to anyone that Carlsen is the superior chess player. If I had to summarize the play of Caruana I would say he plays like someone with an eidetic memory who seeks to memorize every single possible position in chess. Caruana's preparation has been unbelievable but Carlsen's superior chess ability has been enough. Then you have Carlsen who can seemingly find at worst a good move in any position. Because of this ability, before this game, I had actually changed my mind and I was hoping Carlsen would win because I want the best chess player to be world champion. But for Carlsen to agree to a draw in a game and position like this is egregious to me, and the very antithesis of what a champion is and ought to be. I will continue to keep track of what happens, but overall I am beyond disappointed and feel this match has been bad for chess. But on a bright note your videos have been great (as always). I especially like all of the "what if one of these players actually took a risk" scenarios.
Well said. I couldn't agree more
Only do thrash talk if you can sit in place of one of them .
Oh sorry , you are not able to do that .
Why ?
Because you are just a thrash talker , first get a rating of a GM and then talk .
What's a "thrash talker"? Someone who badmouths crappy metal bands from the 80's?
Shemsuh0r appreciate the reply sir. Couldn’t agree more with everything you said. I’m not trash talking anyone. Just voicing my opinion, and I think near everyone that has followed the match feels the same.
What do you think now?
Hey agadmator, I honestly thought you were trolling when you said both players draw. You sound disappointed and perhaps slightly angry when you talk about supercomputer moves and human intellect in chess. You passion and love for this game is what keeps me comming back to this channel.
Agadmator with the quick upload! Excited to see what you think about Kasparov's comments regarding Carlsen and the surprise draw.
Unmesh Datta what did Kasparov say?
@@GreetingsFromArrakis Check agadmator's community post. He shows the tweet from Kasparov. He basically said that he doesn't think Carlsen has the mental fortitude to win fast format games.
This was a disgrace
Edit: To explain, even in his press conference: "I don't care" if I had a better position. He knew he had chances but admitted he really wasn't trying. If your favorite player was yourself from 3-4 years ago, then the only thing stopping you is that attitude...
TheNewStyle Why though? It’s so easy to draw this position for Caruana, both players knew this is a waste of time. For Carlsen it’s an easy win in rapids so why forcing yourself to draw yet another game? His winning position was in tournament not in game, see the bigger picture.
Carlsen might be thinking he will win easily in the quick games. I think he's right
Yea tactically speaking what Carlsen did was an ingenious move , why risk your world champion title for the sake of 1 win in classical time format when he greatly excels in blitz games ? He should do this for every world champion challenger and he will never be dethroned, a true world champ must be able to play well in all time formats.
@@el_kasztanejlo8555 Incorrect. Fabi in the press conference was saying that while the worst was behind him, he didn't enjoy his position and was "surprised" by the draw offer.
Yes Magnus didn't jeopardise his title in this situation to have a better chance in blitz, but it's a bitch-made move. All that interest and all those fans who have made it through the 11 drawn games. Carlsen didn't have the balls when it mattered.
While I can empathise with your position, I think "disgrace" is a bit harsh. There is another side to looking at it. You don't get to become world chess champion thinking only a few moves ahead, you have to start thinking a few games ahead.
"How is your car?"
"Sergey is Karjakin it!"
Cold. Cold joke. Lame. Lame joke.
@@wildwildben I bet you still gave me a like!
@@lwazinkoe3886 You lose that bet.
@@wildwildben no worries, I got plenty more. Yours wouldn't make much of a difference.
They draw so much they must be artists!
The last five minutes of this video is the most interesting five minutes about chess I've seen in a long time.
Carlsen is sick of playing Chess
Carlsen knows he holds a clear edge in Rapid / Blitz games. I don't think he finds them more challenging at all. If anything the opposite. He's taking what he sees as the easier path, IMO.
Yeah just looked disgusted today
If only Carlsen had played every game like this one...
...without the draw of course
Archibald Haddock hello fellow TinTin fan
..ohh wait, he did!
Oscar O. Blistering barnacles! Hello to you too, you troglodyte!
I feel Carlsen choked the first two games away and then scrambled for draws until this game, which he had a really strong position and...drew. I'm annoyed by both players at this point, but still have to root for Carlsen as I feel he's a more 'pure' player where Caruana is just a memorization machine.
Really surprising to see magnus offer a draw in a better position and huge time advantage ...stress !! ? Pressure ? Or has just decided to safely draw ?🙁
Thanks for not spoiling the outcome! I was prepared for any one of them winning. I'm actually glad for more rapid games, more world class chess.
The fun continues :). Anyway, I understand the early draw offer, it's probably very exhausting and there's always the chance of a misstep. Claiming a draw with Black can be considered a win sort of, especially looking ahead to rapid chess where Magnus is the better.
I don’t understand why magnus offered a draw.this is just too weird.(even though he has the edge on rapid still winning position is a winning position)
Maybe stress
He choked
He realised Caruana will float his pieces off the boardnto force a draw.
The position was not winning. Girl, Grischuk and Svidler preferred Black, of course, but found no obvious win.
Caruana is rated much lower than Carlsen in rapid and especially blitz. He figured he had a much better chance for a win there. 1 mil and reputation on the line, so why risk it?
#suggestion Could Medo -the chess dog, try to predict wos gonna win the Championship? Say, choosing between bowls of food/dog snack with players names on them?
Kramnik mentioned on the SCL stream that Magnus should be ashamed, and that if he was WCC he would never allow himself to offer a draw in this position because he would "not sleep for a month". He said a WCC should be dominant and feared and should try to set an example for other chess players.
You don't get to become World Chess Champion by thinking a few moves ahead, you have to start thinking a few games ahead.
Wise one
@@robertobasile3311 thank you Grasshopper 😊
I enjoyed the chess24 commentary of Anish Giri explaining how both players really should go for a draw by repetition before move 15
Had to watch a few Tal games to restore my faith in Chess tactics.
DOPE son. I love what you've done with your hair, the camera angle and everything. The Person-Cam is a lot more appealing now and that gives me the feeling of watching someone who made it. I love watching people who made it. I'm not fast to forget, I remember posting a comment, telling you, your videos are awesome and that the personcam is the only thing where I was ablet to see room fast and noticable improvement. Now I'm back watching your videos (I don't always watch chess.. comes in phases) I see how you've done everything. I'm not naive enough to think it was my comment, BUT I'm still glad that you are looking out for yourself! It's a superficial world, the real work you are doing is amazing and I love when hard-working people don't slouch on the easy stuff out of pride, or something else.
Loving it! Keep it up! Have a lot of success and enjoy yourself! You're doing beyond great.
*edit*
also loving that you include AI Ideas.. I really like the way you are doing it too. It's still all about the Players, but you still don't miss out on the ideas that can only be produced by pure calculation power. Yes! If I was as knowledgable about chess, I wish I'd do it like you do! This is how a chess-game is supposed to be presented in my opinion. You blindsided me. I really don't know what I could add as a way to say thank you. Maybe, it's an idea to show pictures of the players at critical points in the game. I don't know how much color these guys show. I'll tell you where I get the idea.. poker. People love seing HOW somebody acts while bluffing or being nervous in any other way.
Just a thought, I know it's not much. But to be fair, you've really perfected your work.
1.40 AM here in India...just waiting for your video
MMA and Jui-Jitsu is often compared to chess. This game was an excellent example of how similar they can be when both sides would rather play it safe instead of fighting to win.
@@GorillaStrengthEquipmentInteresting indeed. How is this relevant to the comment?
Hi! Indinan friend, would you consider to unsubscribe from Tseries and subscribe to pewdiepie?, or at least subscribe to pewds
@@amoghbharadwaj382 was reading over the comments and didnt realize I posted as a reply
@@wildexperiense 😂😂both are subscribed dude
Yes, this has been a frustrating phenomenon where, as you mention, the level of quality drops considerably when the preparations are over. The reason I believe which I also sensed when I started playing some prep. Chess is not just about how you are making the best move possible as per the position, but about the best move possible as per the situation. A situation, unlike a position, entails the flow of the game as well as the play of the opposition, in the context of the progress so far. When you play chess with little or no prep, you continuously evaluate all positions and try to create a strategy, all the while guessing the strategy of the opponent. But when you prep, you mentally do not have that flow in your game. You do not know now what is the purpose of each of your piece and why it is in that position in the first place. And at this moment when the opponent makes a random move, you are caught unawares like you suddenly wake up for from your dream and do not know where you are. It is like being dropped into a middle game and asked to evaluate all positions within a few minutes. Psychologically one is not prepared for that and that is where the quality drops. As for the best moves when you are playing a game without prep, you can sense the flow and strategy of the opponent and psychologically trick him into making an inaccurate move or a mistake. Although the computer would surely say that it is a bad move but you would still win, as we saw in a lot of the older games.
I think something should be done to discourage this. Since the direction computers are going is to find the absolute best move and when that happens every match is a guaranteed draw and then if players can memorize those moves you will always have a draw. The competition will now become who can memorise more. I think it is a bit disrespectful to chess for it to become merely a measure of memory power.
The advantage of pushing this game into tiebreak is that now the distribution of the price money will be 55%-45% winner will get 55 percent and the person who loses will get 45 percent on the other hand if this championship would have ended in this 12 game match then the distribution would have been 60%-40% soo the person who will lose this championship will get the advantage of 5 percent #IncreasingVastKnowlege
Last 3 minutes of video are gold, where you discussed *current chess vs past chess* philosophically...
Man do I hope Caruana punishes Carlsen for this.
Why? Can you honestly blame Carlsen for what he did? Wouldn't you do the same? Would you put your title on the line on the LAST game of classical, meaning there is no way to make up for it if you screw up, just to entertain people?
Besides, this is what Caruana has been doing the entire match as well.
@@aohbmaeid You are the world champion, not only do you want to prove to the world that you still deserve it, you also have to promote the game. Here, you have been, from game 2 to 11, outprepared shamefully, staying alive because clearly you are the better player.
But here, on game 12 with a potential attack and a better position, you rather offer a draw to make sure you keep your title in Rapids. Even he, during the stream, was ashamed and angry of offering a draw, because for years, Carlsen was known to never give up and always look for the win no matter what, just like Bobby Fischer.
But now, he gives up, chooses the easy way thinking he is going to beat Caruana during Rapids.
Well, I wouldn't cry if Caruana punishes him for that, if the players were two russians we would scream for collusion, but here, it's just ''strategic''. Yeah right.
@@charlesmondon1803 Yes, he has been outprepared by Caruana's engine lines the entire match, yet if you look at the moves being played, Magnus is the one trying to complicate the position throughout the match, looking for new lines and ways to push an advantage into a win. How can you morally castigate him for playing it safely when he's in a situation where one wrong move can cost him the championship? Had it been earlier in the championship I would be here with you, angry at his cowardice. But on game 12? He doesn't want to lose his title because of one inaccuracy in the last game on classical format. A better position is *not* a winning position. It was a complicated position with no obvious path to victory. Even if Carlsen knew he was better, which he definitely did, he likely couldn't find a move that he found to be winning, or there were too many variables and he feared a response that he missed.
Looking at his performance in this match overall, Carlsen has proven to be shaming his usual standard, and his attitude is unappealing imo, but in this specific match, I dont find it right to call out this man just because he made the most strategically sound decision. You do what you can to gain the upper hand. That's why Caruana has been using cheap boring engine lines since he is inferior over the board, and that is why Carlsen has drawn this game. You don't like them for it? I don't either, but it's not fair to expect them to do otherwise knowing they are here to win, not to entertain you and give you better game results.
@@aohbmaeid They're both refused sportsmanship rivalry in this game. They don't care about their fans, the game, and anything really, except of their *results* . Bobby Fischer was perfectly right - chess are ruined by computers. This is not a good game anymore. This is not art anymore. And all this match was probably pre-aranged - move by move. This is the sad truth of todays chess.
This channel is just the best. Every single you tuber can learn from agadmator. The way you present each match - with the intros, the photos, the in depth background and analysis of seen and unseen lines - purely amazing.
Thank you so much for the regular amazing content!
"He Who Dares, Wins!" - Derek Trotter, 1981.
Your final comments about computer preparation and how the quality of the game changes are very interesting. That's the kind of questions the reporters should ask the players at the press conferences!
I feel like the old masters would wipe the floor with these two
@Michael Smith we will never know the answer and can have fun debating that subject to no end but I suspect Fisher karpov korchnoi tal botvinnik at their best would have nothing to fear from players of today . Bronstein also could give these guys a run for their money. IMO
@Michael Smith If they had access to supercomputers, they would. They wrote the theories these guys use, after all. Fischer with a 180 IQ, to Carson's 135, plus his perfect photographic memory, would slaughter Carlsen. Karpov, and Capablanca would too. Capa, and Fischer were proven to be the most scientifically correct players, if you do not count opening theory up to move 12 (which changes in and out of fashion, and has evolved since their lifetimes) aside from Carlsen. Way better than Caruana. Hell, Karjakin did better in the first 12 games than Caruana, at least he drew blood from Magnus. Fabi missed so many chances this match, and Magnus, too.
@Michael Smith if you play the same two openings for 12 games your knowledge is not superior....just like agadmator says ...once you get past memorized lines their play drops dramatically.....where the legends got better as the game went on...
@@egregiousarts6080 fischer didnt have photographic memory (and there is no such thing).
and where did you get this bullshit iq data?
Despite some of the rash and rude comments about this game I actually enjoyed it. I know the torment chess brings on the mind with calculating endless variations. I really wish people could just accept the game for what it is and stop complaining because it didn't go the way they wanted. If you don't like it please leave and stop acting like children. Congrats on 300k subscribers agadmator, I've been watching your videos since 140k, keep up the great work.
Something needs to change. This is way too early to agree to a draw. The moderator should have to allow it. They're not even close to just a king and bishop on the board. They should disallow three fold repetition. For instance, third time, you can't repeat the move.
I really hope supercomputers and quantum computers don't come in and turn Chess into Tic Tac Toe.
'For instance, third time, you can't repeat the move. ' this would be very stupid
@@edwardshowden5511 Oh, I'm so sorry that I just can't reach your level of intellect. Coming up with a statement like that really just puts geniuses to shame. You must be very special with that kind of creativity.
I love your analysis of how supercomputers changed how the game is played on top-level. And eventho it is not as clear to me, your analysis helps me to actually perceive the drop in skill!
What do I think about that? Quite frankly.. for the moment it's a bit sad - BUT. And as you can tell that is a big-ass Butt. But Players will slowly catch up.. supercomputers are, if you look at the age of chess, a new thing. How to use there knowledge, when to use their knowledge and how to actually not get into positions that you can't navigate yourself out of perfectly on your own anymore will change. And this is actually what I think Carlsen is really strong at. In this game I've seen more glimpses of self-tried brilliance from Caruana. Yes, he was worse and I'm not great at chess, so I can't say for certain. But I simply had the feeling Carlsen just knew better how to get into positions that are already calculated out AND also knew better how not to get into situations, where he loses control. Obviously Caruana did a well enough job to bring Magnus Carlsen to the point, where he didn't feel secure enough to go for the win and in my opinion that's a sad thing. I really think a GM should have the balls to play out a position, where he obviously has an advantage and a lot of time on his side.
I don't believe this is a Game that would have been drawn a couple of years ago, if by some miracle they would have gotten to the same point without supercomputers. I don't like how much Carlsen seems to depend on that. But believe me.. people will catch up to this. A lot faster than you'd expect. There will be different kinds of chessplayers born out of this new meta. That's what I think about that.
2028...Game 4256 its a draw in the 30th move
😂😂😂
thank and ur channel for bringing me BACK to chess. ive been away for 35 years!
I was told Carlsen was good at somehow getting wins out of seemingly drawn endgames. From what I've seen so far, he seems better at getting draws out of seemingly winning positions.
u havent watched enough
I haven't yet watched the video but the title itself is giving me chills... hats off agad.
Everything you said after 22:18 just amazed me, well spoken agadmator!
Although it was known as the Lasker variation, nowadays we usually refer to it as the Sveshnikov variation.
I'm a 1400 player that recently checkmated a 2150 player. Been playing for 3 weeks for many hours and just trying to memorize openings and tactics
Nice what’s your eating now?
20:41 exactly an analyse from a supercomputer, not 2 humans in the biggest match of their lives
Yes, Fischer would have pushed it to the end...and that's why old is gold! Agreed with agadmator .
The title should be "He who doesn't dare, doesn't win"
Well done on uploading the analysis this soon! I've been following this series very closely and I must admit that I am quite disappointed that the next Champion will be determined by means of the rapid games.
From what I've seen, it seems that there was inadequate preparations throughout the series - which in my opinion, is not acceptable as this not just a regular tournament.
I'm also in full agreement with you when you say that matches played by grandmasters of this caliber seem to be memorizing lines as opposed to creating new ones. In your opinion, if Tal or Fischer were in this position, how do think they would have proceeded? Do you reckon that they would have taken the risk or also called it a draw?
Ps. Your channel is amazing and I genuinely look forward to every video you upload. It's just consistent quality and somehow you manage to simplify such complex games for even beginner's to understand and enjoy! Keep up the good work! 😁
This drawn series means the rules should be changed. The challenger has to beat the champion in the 12 rounds, else the champion is unbeaten and so remains the champion.
This would be unfair to the challenger and that is why they changed it. If a change is needed don't change to something this stupid.
Ok. But let's make it 24 games
you want to see 12 more draws? I don't think poor Agad could handle that...@@nuwandalton
@@halt1931 With 24 games, you can take risks early in the match. Not so much with just 12 games
@@nickbirrer The champion infront of you beat the old champion that way and proofed he is the undisputed World Champion. If you want to become World Champion, beat me. Bo 12-24. I don't care.
Bobby Fischer said "Blitz chess kills your ideas".
Blitz tiebreaker is as crazy as photofinish victory in Olympics sprint where the timing of 2 runners is same for 2 decimal places...
Good thing we're going to rapids first then, eh?
Wow, it's a good thing those guys are photogenic! LOL
Great work!! I loved the part at the end of the vid where you talk about preparations and human brain and I completely agreed with you!!! Greetings from Uruguay!!!
I liked Carlsen until now, why is he drawing a winning game?
if you can find the win without using an engine, you should be world champion
tired? the game was really complicated so i guess he didn't want take a risk....yeah, that doesn't look like carlsen at all. He never did that before
Because he saw that he can't make progress without taking risks in this position. He clearly was afraid about losing the crown with a single mistake in this game, preferring to go for the play-offs, where he still might have chances after losing one game.
@@D3rL30p4rd
You kidding right?Rapid/blitz games = Carlsen real goal/target
rapid/blitz games = 100% win for Carlsen,no doubt about that
In my humble (useless) opinion he went from winning with an obvious plan to much more complicated lines when he allowed qb4.
Amazing, thank you. Especially about how the game is played today analysts. So good.
I love you stuff Agadmator, but was the title inferring that nobody "dared"?
Excellent commentary as always. Some great points on the difference in play between supercomputer preparation vs. human play. It does take some of the fun out of for me, i like the improvisation of the older games, where people make blunders but have to think on their feet.
Nothing like our great ancestors Bobby was right computers are killing creativity
100% correct. I have pointed out previously that nearly every game between these two men end up with them having often the exact same pieces in the last 20 minutes of the game. They mirror each other totally now with very slight variations, say, one has one pawn more than the other.
Another awesome review; I've been closely following all these games. This draw has frustrated me more than the last 11 draws combined. They were each down 1 pawn and one knight. Both are insanely skilled yet neither felt confident they could beat the other and just agreed to draw. The challenger should want to play for a win and the reigning champion should want to prove he is still better. These draws show they are both lacking either the motivation to win or they are scared of losing. Yes I get the stakes are high, but what happened to the spirit of competition and playing for a win? Too much playing it safe is what I think. This game showcases that sentiment perfectly.
Caruana was very well prepared. Magnus knew that. Now in the faster formats, Magnus clearly has the edge judging by their past records. With every draw Caruana was dragged into deeper waters by the biggest shark he has ever faced and he couldn't do anything about that. Now the title will remain in Europe. Disappointed but not surprised.
Thank you for your ramblings. They are very astute. The problem is that the long time control is dead in the age of computers. We used to have adjournments, but then computers made that format obsolete. So it is with the classical format. People blame the players as if it is a deficiency of character, when really they have been fighting tenaciously in an arcane and boring format. Long games lead to short matches where the specter of computer prep looms too large determination of the victor.
Chess fans need to think about the game theory governing player behavior for the entire match. For example, what if Carlsen's coach would have convinced him to steer towards draws at every opportunity in order steer the match to rapids where he has a bigger advantage. Fans would whine and complain, but would it be bad coaching? No. It would be smart match strategy and it is a credit to Carlsen's sporting nature that he did not employ this strategy sooner.
Imagine how much more exciting the entire match would be if they played 12 days of 2 or 4 rapid games per day. Wouldn't that be thrilling? Would anyone argue that the winner of that tortuous gauntlet was not the true champion?
Grischuk called this game "the nail in the coffin of classical chess". He is right. It is time for chess to again adapt with the times.
MAGNUS 's reasons to draw game -
1.even if he loses WC he will be still world no 1
which he likes more than WC
2.he was hoping for draw after round 11 ,not to lose both WC and no 1 spot
but his position was safe, odd decision by magnus
There's only 1 reason
rapid/blitz games = 100% win for Carlsen,no doubt about that
Drawing the game is (game-theoretically) the easiest way for Carlsen to win the match.
He is showing his supreme confidence in faster time controls. This is a flex.
I am very excited for the tiebreak!
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Maybe the best thing for Carlsen would be to lose. When he is too afraid to lose he seems to be unable to win. Maybe losing would set him free to play great chess again.
What would you say about Fabiano then, by that logic of yours?
Ahmed Obaid Well I would asume you agree Magnus has a higher ceiling than Fabiano? If not then I guess you can move on, no harm done.
@@razvanfodor5653 He does, but at such high stakes I would think it natural for his instincts to lean towards a draw. He's a genius, but not a supercomputer. I want decisive games too, but I wouldn't shame him or Fabi for wanting to keep drawing it out, the format isn't helping them go crazy either.
Ahmed Obaid But the last and the first game I think he would have won 3-4 years ago. Just what I think.
Hello from Greece first of all I am a big fan of your channel and I want to thank you for introducing me to competitive chess and Magnus who is my favourite player so every day since this mach started I wait for you to upload your video because In my opinion you provide the best chess content in TH-cam and today when you said "the players agreed to a draw" I was disappointed not for me or because Magnus didn't win ( I believe he will win this mach) I am disappointed for chess because unlike some other of Magnus brilliant games I can't Shaw it to my friends who don't like chess and say that's the beauty of chess
Keep the great work greetings from Greece
*Sees the title* Finally someone took a risk and got a win
*25 mins later* ANOTHER DRAW! !@#!^@#%#$@!
First of all, props to agadmator for doing his (usual) clear analysis of these games. Next, these guys are playing very precisely and avoiding traps. But they don't play gambit lines so it's pretty predictable. Glad the new setup features quicker time controls in the next games because it requires more thinking over the board and not so much memorization.
I think that computers ruined the beauty of chess. And it's really interesting what Tal would play in this position. I think he definitely wouldn't agreed to a draw ;)
The advantage with always following engine recommendations is that once your opponent deviates you can start thinking from the position of "why is this move not the best" so you're starting those games from mid game position with a slight advantage.
1:24 fitcher would have been terrified...
agadmator is very good prof and kind man! thank you
I think it's a shame about the increasing reliance on super computers. It kind of takes the fun and sportsmanship out of it, to an extent.
It kills the artistry. This happened to Go, too, after the computers playing each other made really boring games. I joked last year that the classic Go game by computers would be six stones long on each side and then the computers agree to a draw. This is now happening to HUMANS playing chess.
super cool 12 games, credits to both players in classicial variation waiting for the playoffs
I thought chess folk were all about strategy? Why the bashing of Magnus? If you want to criticize anyone then it should be fabi, hesnthe challanger and hebhas to win the title, maybe stop just memorizing computer lines and show that you’re creative. Fabis performance as the challanger has been pretty poor, no creativity. Magnus has nothing to prove, he’s the champion and much better blitz player with a million on the line. Optiomal strategy calls for a draw with the black pieces and then punishment in blitz with a fat check and retaining your title. Well played Mr. Carlsen, you might be a decent poker player and you don’t even know it :)
Great work aga as usual!
That's a sad way to act if you are a true champion.
imho, Caruana is everything that's wrong with chess today.
John Doe letting your foot off your opponents neck is never good...Fabi still got game in rapids!
I no dot nuderstadn ur spelilng
@@manuelper what is your issue with Fabi? Just wondering..
Thanks 🙏 Maybe you could do episode about preparations? For various of important games in the history?
I support Carlsen, but this was even really good position for him, maybe even winning if we consider time on clock and pressure on Caruana through whole game long, so Carlsen shouldn’t accept draw here. I hope he will lose now, because that’s not the way a real champion should act. Much different from Carlsen from 2-3 years ago.
The only way either player can win is if the other makes a mistake. Of all the games thus far, I have yet to see either player make a mistake. Perhaps a move of lesser quality than was possible, but nothing you could truly call a mistake. I believe this is why Carlsen offered a draw. While his position seemed to be better, I believe he also felt that if he were playing Caruana's pieces, he could hold the game with them. In other words his position wasn't winning. Agadmator, thank you for another excellent presentation. You are truly excellent at what you do. :)
Terribly disappointed at Magnus offering a draw tonight in that position.
You know, when you're sitting at the board, you don't have a computer or a bar that tells you you're better. Sure Carlsen is a GM and can tell when he has the better position, but if you can't find the winning line out of it then what's the use? Apparently so many people can tell Carlsen that he could win that, I'd like to see them find a winning move without an engine. It was a complicated position and Carlsen couldn't calculate the right move, the obvious, safer decision was to draw, knowing Caruana would love to not risk it either.
@@aohbmaeid you're wrong on many levels... it's not about people thinking Magnus was better nor that it was a complicated position...it's about Magnus giving up on a game that had so much life in it still. What's Magnus known for? grinding and winning drawn positions, right? what have you seen tonight? and it's even more complex than this... Magnus was constantly outprepared this match but kept playing the same openings and positions... I am expecting a lot more from a world champion... Magnus simply lost his mojo... like he sad "my favorite player from the past s myself 4 - 5 years ago", he knows t and we knew it, we just didn't want to believe it.
@@slayerem What you say now is different from what you said in your original comment, to which my reply was based. So how am I wrong on "so many levels"? Considering everything up to this point, Magnus offering a draw in this position, as I have said, makes strategic, logical sense. That is what you criticized in your original comment. However, overall in this match, and with Carlsen's recent performance prior to the championship and during, I am also disappointed. Thoughts?
@@aohbmaeid My original comment was talking only about this game indeed but I have made these points on previous videos on this match... no use in repeating everything on every video... Thoughts? If Magnus doesn't wn the rapid/blitz he will have nightmares regarding ths game.
@@slayerem Well I couldn't have known about your comments on other videos, what I see is what I speak of, eh? Magnus might already be having nightmares, he values this title a great lot, his preparation and attitude reflects his mental state, and I dont like what I see.
i really appreciate these videos! i would be totally lost in the normal commentary as i am a beginner but you seem to explain even fairly simple moves that others assume everyone can see, but that i definitely would miss, like why qb5 was a bad move. i would have blundered my queen in that position lol
Armageddon for champion title is a joke. Even Blitz games are not fair. Better just playing enldless number of rapid games until someone gets certain points. That will be fair somehow.
I suggest the two men get married. Problem solved. Then they can squabble over who gets the pawns in a divorce.
i like it, to me the world champion should be the more complete player, better in classical, rapid and blitz altogether. the armageddon thing is just a way of saying (without saying it, but actually giving a chance to the challanger to prove it wrong) that the challanger couldn't beat the champion therefore the champion is still the champion.
I somewhat agree but if you can't win after that many games, there has to be a decision somehow. 12 draws + drawing in the following rounds means that if you lose the armageddon, you didn't manage to beat your opponent in the previous rounds despiten having cample chances and you have only yourself to blame.
@@mulder1979 Classical chess changed a lot. There is very little chance to win a single game. Even in the past there was a time when players had to play 24 games . Kasparov and Karpov had to play 48 games in 1984 and 40 of them was a draw. So 12 games is definitely not enough for today with such higher percentage of draws in all competitions.
@@mulder1979but it will have a decision, i didn't understand exactly your point there. the whole armaggedon thing is meant to be a decision which puts an end to the championship match. not having it would creat a risk of endless games which could extends for all eternity. the point is that the challanger should be able to beat the champion in 12 games + tiebreaks, if he can't then he is not the champion. to me it's seems very reasonable the way it is.