Been waiting nearly 10 years for a quality 23mm for Sony APS-C. Glad it's finally here and looks good, just wish it was a bit smaller. A COMPACT quality 23mm F2 would be amazing and would be a huge seller because of the compact size.
Well that is exactly related with what I was asking in reddit some weeks ago, because if Canon can make the pancake 22mm 2.0 for aps-c, Sony and Sigma should be able to also do it. The a6xxx line screams for something like that for street photography!
@@Drumaier Preach brother! I been singing this song all over the internet for months. We need to keep posting and talking about it for these manufacturers to wake up and realize the consumer wants small compact quality lenses with our compact APS-C bodies.
@@kevin.itruth6880 sure I will push for it to happen, but if anything, it is at least some relief hearing another person is on the same boat. When I asked this in Reddit people didn't seem to get what I was saying and recommending anything but C O M P A C T options. 🤦🏻♂️😆😭😂 In their heads a pancake is something you eat for breakfast and not something you are supposed to shot with 😁
@@Drumaier Naw just keep posting what you need. Ive been doing it on every APS-C forum or social media for months and things are finally moving...Not saying its just me but at least I like to think some voices are being heard...They won't hear you on Reddit, you gotta go right to the manufacturer pages and big TH-camrs
A bit too heavy for me too. The 20mm f2.8 pancake would make me ignore a 23mm f2. A ~250g 23mm f1.7 would be the sweet spot for me. Might stick with my current trio: the 20mm, 18-50 f2.8 (which stopped me getting the 30 f1.4), plus the 56mm f1.4. I do love 23mm though, so may get this one day.
After finally letting go of my snob desires to have aperture rings, I think going back to my earlier decision of moving to Fuji from Canon in 2018, I'm going to consider getting the Sigma 1.4 family. Along with the f/2 Fuji lenses(used), the overall weight is fantastically lower not just in gms but also in dollars. The only Viltrox lenses I'll consider having are the 13mm and the 75mm. For photography, the Sigma series is a back, shoulder and wrist savior during events.
I have the Viltrox 13mm F1.4 on my XT4. It's great, but heavy and very wide (which is what I wanted for some specific use cases). I think this Sigma is probably going to be my all day every day lens though, it looks amazing. They just need to hurry up and release it.
Nah, aperture ring or death! :P Too many cameras (from all brands) only come with 2 dials and if I remember correctly you can't make a triangle out of two sides. ;)
It's very very close optically to fuji's 23mm 1.4 WR which is 2x as much at £900, so I wouldn't be too hopefull. Honestly surprised it's not marketed as an Art lens.
As a big fan of the apsc size of cameras for weight/image quality trade offs, this is a really exciting option. I’m a Nikon z50 owner, and have been waiting and hoping Nikon would give a sign they’ll invest more in apsc. But i’m about ready to switch to Sony or Fuji to be able to avail of quality lenses like this.
@@maryaiky my usage is mainly on photo taking. In my opinion, 16mm is better for video if body has in built stabilization. 24mm is more suitable for street photo taking
Hi Chris, thank you for the review. It is a nice lens indeed for the Leica CL. Even better is that it's Passion week and soon Easter! Blessings to you and family.
I'm happy it is finally here! Do I have I-Series envy? A tiny bit. But as I also like continuity, it's exterior design is totally fine for me. I was wondering how it competes against the 18-50mm, except for the low light capability, and I see the Bokeh is much more lovely (not just "more blurry", but from a quality perception). So I'll probably click the pre-order button tonight 😃 At 5:40 Chris says's "Art lens", high-praise blooper😂
What do you think when you compare the new Sigma with the Sigma 24mm F2 i- series? For the Leica CL. Which might be a better option? I do find the AF/MF switch handy.. saves up a button.
@@Jaymino_ haven‘t watched the 24mm f2 review, I guess it comes down to whether you need the aperture ring, or prefer a one stop faster lens. I go with the latter, as I control aperture via camera dial
@@jhirse3547 true, a stop of light is a big deal. Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I've used the 24mm for some time now and there's emotional attachment. I might just buy both and pretend to be a 35mm specialist. 😄 Has your 23mm been delivered yet?
@@Jaymino_ I‘ll buy the 90mm I series lens soon, there is just something magical in that line I think 😃 I hope the 23mm arrives on Friday or Saturday 🤞
Pity canon killed M series and Sigma won't make it for this system. I have 22mm but I would buy this for eos M for sure. I am quite happy with 16mm and 56mm.
I can't see many Fuji owners getting excited for this when you can get the already excellent 23mm 1.4 X used, often for less, and sometimes the newer version used for not much more.
I have no doubt this is a fantastic lens but as a fuji shooter I find it very hard to shoot without the aperture ring. I know the Viltrox/Tokina one is optically inferior, it’s much more joy to use though. Sigma does provide aperture ring on their full frame lenses so it seems absurd they don’t do it for the apsc line up 😢
The Viltrox aperture ring was too easy to move without the clicks so I started using the front dial instead and didn't miss the ring one bit. Thus to me, Sigma is on equal footing with Viltrox in that regard.
@@veeaa the funny thing is the Tokina version (literally the same optics but different brand) has extremely tight aperture ring. Still clickless though. I always complain about how much force I have to put to turn that ring. I also have the first gen Fuji 23mmf1.4, still use that one mostly.
have you tried Voigtlander 23 f1.2? i didn't shoot with 23mm focal length much despite having a viltrox and 1st gen fuji, but since i got the Voigtlander its replaced my sigma 18-50 2.8 as the lens i use most of the time on my xt4
Thank you for the review. This lens just popped up on my radar and think I will add it to my new A6700 based kit even though I’m heavily into full frame. 35mm full frame focal length is my main walking around focal length. Now I recommend you upgrade from the poor quality of your 5100 to the A6700 for Sony APS-C. Ha ha.
Hello Christopher. I always enjoy watching good review I'm asking you a question because I have a concern. Which lens is better compared to samyang 24mm f1.8. Based on the a6700 camera. I usually do night street snaps.
Hey Sigma, put these quality optics, focal length and f/1.4 into the body of an i-series lens and if you can shrink it a little. It'll be perfect for my a6700 and I'd happily pay up to 800 EUR for it.
Thanks Chris. Another great video. Seeing that you have reviewed many Samyangs. Could the Samyang 24mm f1.8 be a great alternative to the Sigma 23mm f1.4? The Sammy is lighter and provides full frame coverage. 24 on FF and 36 on APSC. It would be an interesting comparison. 🙏🙏🙏
@@enricoteofilo.shoots yeah I think my next camera might be a Sony, but what‘s the point in habing a camera with lots if lenses if you do not enjoy using the camera the lenses are screwed on?
@@ArteUltra1195 maybe you'd enjoy a Nikon APS-C? They have some baffling compromises compared to their full frame brethren, but still enjoy a good reputation.
I don't need this lens, but how I wish they had done this focal length a year or 2 ago. I would have snapped it up. No doubt my Sigma trio will be screaming at me to buy them a new friend though. I wonder if they plan to do a 10 or 11mm, that's something I would definitely get first.
Little disappointed the Sigma 23mm lacks aperture ring and AF/MF switch. I have the Sony Zeiss 24mm and probably will give this a pass. I actually got the Sony 15F1.4 for its small size and physical controls to replace my Sigma 16F1.4
Do you think I should get this lens or the Sony E 35mm f/1.8 for shooting video in a Sony A6400? The quality difference is stunning, and I love the focal lengths of both lenses, but maybe the Sony's image stabilization would make the difference in my situation.
Shame the don't offer their apsc lenses with ap rings like they do with their full frames, especially being they're going for the fuji market. But, nice lens.
If this had an aperture ring I think this would replace my Fuji 23mm f/1.4 LM WR for the simple fact that it seems to possess nicer bokeh. My one complaint with the new 23 and 33 is that the bokeh just isn't that nice in my opinion. They both get nasty shapes toward the corners and the 33mm has a slight onion-ringing to it.
I'm at a point in my photography where I'd rather just get a slower but smaller lens if it means better portability. This lens, like most sigma lenses is just too damn big for my taste, not to mention it IS kinda ugly. I do a lot of street photography and the 27mm f2.8 pancake lens never leaves my Fuji camera
I would certainly be interested in knowing what the flare resistance is like for this lens, but in natural/harsh lit conditions. Has anyone tested this out yet? A great review as usual.
It looks the same as the 30mm DC DN, which is reasonably sized. And the 23mm is not complicated at all, rather wished it was, with an aperture ring or switches!
True, they seem to be a similar price with a much nicer design (including aperture ring). But they don't do F1.4. This lens is a tad heavy for me for street. The iSeries 24mm f3.5 is just 230g. And I would probably be fine with f3.5 for street. But their 18-50mm f2.8 zoom is probably similar IQ at 290g, so I won't be getting an iSeries lens unless I go full frame.
The Sigma is 2/3 stops faster aperature and is not even available for Canon mount. The same goes for the Canon lens which is not available for Sony E, L-Mount and Fuji-X. Who in the world would compare such lenses?
@@opalyankaBG No, I choose Canon RF cameras because it is only one system which gives the ability to use superior and best quality lenses on the market. (Also color science, reliability and great menu system)
Been waiting nearly 10 years for a quality 23mm for Sony APS-C. Glad it's finally here and looks good, just wish it was a bit smaller. A COMPACT quality 23mm F2 would be amazing and would be a huge seller because of the compact size.
Well that is exactly related with what I was asking in reddit some weeks ago, because if Canon can make the pancake 22mm 2.0 for aps-c, Sony and Sigma should be able to also do it. The a6xxx line screams for something like that for street photography!
@@Drumaier Preach brother! I been singing this song all over the internet for months. We need to keep posting and talking about it for these manufacturers to wake up and realize the consumer wants small compact quality lenses with our compact APS-C bodies.
@@kevin.itruth6880 sure I will push for it to happen, but if anything, it is at least some relief hearing another person is on the same boat. When I asked this in Reddit people didn't seem to get what I was saying and recommending anything but C O M P A C T options. 🤦🏻♂️😆😭😂 In their heads a pancake is something you eat for breakfast and not something you are supposed to shot with 😁
@@Drumaier Naw just keep posting what you need. Ive been doing it on every APS-C forum or social media for months and things are finally moving...Not saying its just me but at least I like to think some voices are being heard...They won't hear you on Reddit, you gotta go right to the manufacturer pages and big TH-camrs
A bit too heavy for me too. The 20mm f2.8 pancake would make me ignore a 23mm f2. A ~250g 23mm f1.7 would be the sweet spot for me.
Might stick with my current trio: the 20mm, 18-50 f2.8 (which stopped me getting the 30 f1.4), plus the 56mm f1.4. I do love 23mm though, so may get this one day.
After finally letting go of my snob desires to have aperture rings, I think going back to my earlier decision of moving to Fuji from Canon in 2018, I'm going to consider getting the Sigma 1.4 family. Along with the f/2 Fuji lenses(used), the overall weight is fantastically lower not just in gms but also in dollars. The only Viltrox lenses I'll consider having are the 13mm and the 75mm. For photography, the Sigma series is a back, shoulder and wrist savior during events.
I have the Viltrox 13mm F1.4 on my XT4. It's great, but heavy and very wide (which is what I wanted for some specific use cases). I think this Sigma is probably going to be my all day every day lens though, it looks amazing. They just need to hurry up and release it.
Nah, aperture ring or death! :P Too many cameras (from all brands) only come with 2 dials and if I remember correctly you can't make a triangle out of two sides. ;)
So glad to see this review! At last another major lens producer in APS-C 23mm field
Can you compare with Viltrox 23mm F1.4 lens as well?
The things I would do for them to give the I-Series build to the Optics of the APS-C 1.4s... it would be a match made in heaven
Fuji has entered the chat.
I can't agree more!
Really love these Sigma lenses on Fuji bodies, excited to try this one too.
Would love to see this one brought down to their older DC DN cousin's prices
It's very very close optically to fuji's 23mm 1.4 WR which is 2x as much at £900, so I wouldn't be too hopefull.
Honestly surprised it's not marketed as an Art lens.
As a big fan of the apsc size of cameras for weight/image quality trade offs, this is a really exciting option. I’m a Nikon z50 owner, and have been waiting and hoping Nikon would give a sign they’ll invest more in apsc. But i’m about ready to switch to Sony or Fuji to be able to avail of quality lenses like this.
Finally Sigma released 24mm, I bought 30mm and 16mm and no regret at all. 24mm fall into the sweet spot if only can bring one lens
Base on your experience with other lenses, Do you think this one is good for youtube videos?
@@maryaiky my usage is mainly on photo taking. In my opinion, 16mm is better for video if body has in built stabilization. 24mm is more suitable for street photo taking
@@jkohero thanks for your feedback. Im thinking sigma 16mm or viltrox 13mm, still undecided at this moment.
I know, right? I've been hoping we'd get a 35-mm equivalent for years, now! I have the full trio, and the 56mm is easily my favorite lens.
A great lens from Sigma. When it comes to Fuji X mount, I really hope you will make a comparison between it and the new XF23 Mk2.
That flaring performance is incredible!
6:48 I know right! I've been a staunch APSC user since 2015 and I fully agree.
Thank you! Just in time!
That full frame coverage is certainly useful for video format.
How is the full frame coverage on a 16:9 crop?? Looks like it would be really usable!
Great review, thank you!
Beautiful and sharp photos. I'm waiting for a new aps-c camera from sony and this lens must go with it.
Hi Chris, thank you for the review. It is a nice lens indeed for the Leica CL. Even better is that it's Passion week and soon Easter! Blessings to you and family.
I'm happy it is finally here! Do I have I-Series envy? A tiny bit. But as I also like continuity, it's exterior design is totally fine for me. I was wondering how it competes against the 18-50mm, except for the low light capability, and I see the Bokeh is much more lovely (not just "more blurry", but from a quality perception). So I'll probably click the pre-order button tonight 😃 At 5:40 Chris says's "Art lens", high-praise blooper😂
What do you think when you compare the new Sigma with the Sigma 24mm F2 i- series? For the Leica CL. Which might be a better option? I do find the AF/MF switch handy.. saves up a button.
@@Jaymino_ haven‘t watched the 24mm f2 review, I guess it comes down to whether you need the aperture ring, or prefer a one stop faster lens. I go with the latter, as I control aperture via camera dial
@@jhirse3547 true, a stop of light is a big deal. Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I've used the 24mm for some time now and there's emotional attachment. I might just buy both and pretend to be a 35mm specialist. 😄
Has your 23mm been delivered yet?
@@Jaymino_ I‘ll buy the 90mm I series lens soon, there is just something magical in that line I think 😃 I hope the 23mm arrives on Friday or Saturday 🤞
Pity canon killed M series and Sigma won't make it for this system. I have 22mm but I would buy this for eos M for sure. I am quite happy with 16mm and 56mm.
How does it compare to the Samyang 24mm f1.8 FF.
I can't see many Fuji owners getting excited for this when you can get the already excellent 23mm 1.4 X used, often for less, and sometimes the newer version used for not much more.
seems like a nice upgrade over the Viltrox but it doesn't come close to touching the Fuji LM.
I agree Chris. I have 30mm DC DN and it's a bit ugly on my Fuji. But can't beat it value for money
why is it ugly?
@@ectv96 It's subjective. The lens hood is too big. Lens exterior design does not go well with the retro design of the Fuji
I have no doubt this is a fantastic lens but as a fuji shooter I find it very hard to shoot without the aperture ring. I know the Viltrox/Tokina one is optically inferior, it’s much more joy to use though. Sigma does provide aperture ring on their full frame lenses so it seems absurd they don’t do it for the apsc line up 😢
The Viltrox aperture ring was too easy to move without the clicks so I started using the front dial instead and didn't miss the ring one bit. Thus to me, Sigma is on equal footing with Viltrox in that regard.
@@veeaa the funny thing is the Tokina version (literally the same optics but different brand) has extremely tight aperture ring. Still clickless though. I always complain about how much force I have to put to turn that ring. I also have the first gen Fuji 23mmf1.4, still use that one mostly.
have you tried Voigtlander 23 f1.2? i didn't shoot with 23mm focal length much despite having a viltrox and 1st gen fuji, but since i got the Voigtlander its replaced my sigma 18-50 2.8 as the lens i use most of the time on my xt4
Thank you for the review. This lens just popped up on my radar and think I will add it to my new A6700 based kit even though I’m heavily into full frame. 35mm full frame focal length is my main walking around focal length. Now I recommend you upgrade from the poor quality of your 5100 to the A6700 for Sony APS-C. Ha ha.
Hello Christopher.
I always enjoy watching good review
I'm asking you a question because I have a concern.
Which lens is better compared to samyang 24mm f1.8. Based on the a6700 camera.
I usually do night street snaps.
Not sure if I should wait for this to come to the z mount, or get the viltrox 23 1.4.
Hey Sigma, put these quality optics, focal length and f/1.4 into the body of an i-series lens and if you can shrink it a little. It'll be perfect for my a6700 and I'd happily pay up to 800 EUR for it.
Thanks Chris.
Another great video. Seeing that you have reviewed many Samyangs. Could the Samyang 24mm f1.8 be a great alternative to the Sigma 23mm f1.4? The Sammy is lighter and provides full frame coverage. 24 on FF and 36 on APSC. It would be an interesting comparison.
🙏🙏🙏
How does it fare compared to the Samyang 24mm f1.8? Especially since the latter is quite a bit lighter
nice pair with ZV-E10 for all around shooting .
Do you this is better than sigma 18-50¿
@@maryaiky it depends on how you shoot. I always shoot prime lens for better quality and bokeh.
How does this compare to the fuji 23mm f2?
i have the sony fx30 and a6300, how is this lens autofocus for video work in weddings??
When a lens doesn't have a MF/AF switch, what do people do? Program a button on the body or just turn the focus ring anyway?
Please sweet lord tell me this will also release for ef-m mount
Hopefully... but I don't thinks so, as it is basically a dead system
@@enricoteofilo.shoots yeah I think my next camera might be a Sony, but what‘s the point in habing a camera with lots if lenses if you do not enjoy using the camera the lenses are screwed on?
@@ArteUltra1195 maybe you'd enjoy a Nikon APS-C? They have some baffling compromises compared to their full frame brethren, but still enjoy a good reputation.
there will be no new EF-M lenses, as this mount bas been de-facto terminated by Canon.
@@nicolask.3825 I‘m looking for more choice in native lenses, so Nikon APS-C would be the last thing I consider 😄
I don't need this lens, but how I wish they had done this focal length a year or 2 ago. I would have snapped it up. No doubt my Sigma trio will be screaming at me to buy them a new friend though.
I wonder if they plan to do a 10 or 11mm, that's something I would definitely get first.
Little disappointed the Sigma 23mm lacks aperture ring and AF/MF switch. I have the Sony Zeiss 24mm and probably will give this a pass. I actually got the Sony 15F1.4 for its small size and physical controls to replace my Sigma 16F1.4
Do you think I should get this lens or the Sony E 35mm f/1.8 for shooting video in a Sony A6400? The quality difference is stunning, and I love the focal lengths of both lenses, but maybe the Sony's image stabilization would make the difference in my situation.
After considering the size, I decided to stay with my 35mm f1.8
hI Christopher, for a fuji do you suggest this or the 23 f2 native lens?
Shame the don't offer their apsc lenses with ap rings like they do with their full frames, especially being they're going for the fuji market. But, nice lens.
If this had an aperture ring I think this would replace my Fuji 23mm f/1.4 LM WR for the simple fact that it seems to possess nicer bokeh. My one complaint with the new 23 and 33 is that the bokeh just isn't that nice in my opinion. They both get nasty shapes toward the corners and the 33mm has a slight onion-ringing to it.
Wait, you say this one has better image quality than the Sigma 56mm f1.4¿ Isn't that one usually considered as the APS-C king in image quality¿
Will be avaliavble in fujifilm user?
yes!
Looks nice, I already own a 22mm lens for the canon, I dont need this, but still nice review.
wanted this lens soo much but they decided not to release this lens for fujifilm any sooner than summer 2023😢
How usable are the corners on full frame? It seems like it could work great at a 1.2x crop for a compact equivalent 28mm f1.7
At that point might as well just grab a Samyang 24 1.8, which is lighter, cheaper. Also sharper at 1.8
it should be 300€ max
Or free.. jus for you
Can it fit for my Canon 6D?
I'm at a point in my photography where I'd rather just get a slower but smaller lens if it means better portability. This lens, like most sigma lenses is just too damn big for my taste, not to mention it IS kinda ugly. I do a lot of street photography and the 27mm f2.8 pancake lens never leaves my Fuji camera
I wish it was more compact.
Im trying to learn kinds of lenses, is this a prime lens?
Yes, it is. Typically, zooms will say two focal ranges like 20-70 mm. Primes will always have one focal range.
Ugh, why no Z-mount!
I would certainly be interested in knowing what the flare resistance is like for this lens, but in natural/harsh lit conditions. Has anyone tested this out yet? A great review as usual.
This lens is about 10 years too late.
Little disappointed that this lens is so big and complicated..
It looks the same as the 30mm DC DN, which is reasonably sized. And the 23mm is not complicated at all, rather wished it was, with an aperture ring or switches!
I want a pancake
Must be sarcasm.
@@Jaymino_its bigger than the 30 unfortunately
@@DDHDTV yes it is slightly bigger. I just replaced my 30mm with 23mm two weeks ago.
Treadoff is really a disappointment. Great image quality, but I cannot stand the design of this ugly looking lens.
Who cares? Lol
Looks like the viltrox is just as good for less. I wish sigma make it into a pancake
😂
While this lens seems overall excellent I don't know if it's worth 2x the money of the Viltrox. A side to side comparison might be nice.
true but the viltrox CA and loca is garbage
Of course you give it a "highly recommended" - it's a Sigma after all. No chance if it would be a Fuji though. So much to "totally independent"...
I highly recommend plenty of Fuji lenses...if their quality is in line with their price
It is a decent lens but a about mile behind Fujinon 23 f1.4 LM WR in build,handling and image quality.
No lol
@@YupthereitismYes it is lol😂
Fuji 23mm f1.4 wr seems to be much better
but the price 😅
500$? :o
Acceptable C lens but still too flat
Too expensive and big
Dissapointing bunch of sigma release ngl
This lens design a disappointment compared to the i serie :(
This time I share your opinion.
True, they seem to be a similar price with a much nicer design (including aperture ring). But they don't do F1.4.
This lens is a tad heavy for me for street. The iSeries 24mm f3.5 is just 230g. And I would probably be fine with f3.5 for street.
But their 18-50mm f2.8 zoom is probably similar IQ at 290g, so I won't be getting an iSeries lens unless I go full frame.
I choose RF 24 1.8. It is smaller, lighter, has IS and covers full frame. Who would buy this Sigma
The Sigma is 2/3 stops faster aperature and is not even available for Canon mount. The same goes for the Canon lens which is not available for Sony E, L-Mount and Fuji-X. Who in the world would compare such lenses?
@@bl00me18 Ah yes, there are people who choose Sony cameras, my bad
You choose the RF lens because it's your only choice on the RF mount (excluding adapting lenses with other mounts)
@@opalyankaBG No, I choose Canon RF cameras because it is only one system which gives the ability to use superior and best quality lenses on the market. (Also color science, reliability and great menu system)
@@pawebaran3601 Let's agree to disagree. Canon is no longer having that lens advantage with the RF mount.