If they remade blood omen and soul reaver, it could be an opportunity to include soul reaver's intended ending, creating a fast track to story telling beyond the events of defiance. SR2 and defiance essentially spent their narratives finishing what they couldn't before and fixing the inconsistencies created by the development team for BO2. Imagine if they could circumvent that and tell a new story sooner, and more neatly.
We gotta be real, I don't think that approach is feasible today. Commercially this game gotta make sense, and times have changed. It's impossible to make die hard fans happy while introducing new players.
@@k-yo When a game Is good, new players will enjoy It. The foundations are good and drastically changing what made this saga so unique, would only lead to failure. If new games will be made from this franchise, those need to start from those foundations otherwise, it wouldn't be LOK anymore.
Listen if they can give us the quality of a remake such as RE2? I'm down for a remake buddy. Capcom set the bar extremely high with remakes. They can go with a remake if done correctly and with the right squad of developers.
I for one, would LOVE a soft reboot/remake, taking great care to fix some minor plotholes, maybe even the whole plot of Blood Omen 2 (while still keeping the hylden, because I liked how the writers incorporated them on Defiance), and incorporating ideas that got the cut originally. Give it a souls-like + metroidvania-inspired gameplay approach, with interesting puzzles like the originals, don't ditch the stage/Shakespearean/gothic atmosphere, keep most of the original characters, but introduce a couple of well-written new faces. Then just wrap up the story of what happens after defiance, or rewrite that ending to give a proper conclusion (I wouldn't mind). As long-time fan who is not out of touch with how times have changed (let's be real), this would be a dream come true, a proper modernization of the series while respecting the lore and world-building. I mean, with time travel on the play, just call it an alternate timestream that was the result of some more time-fudging by the characters, the original timeline can remain intact and part of the whole lore (to keep die-hard fans "happy") and would ultimately end on the same conclusion, due to time being like the flow of a river (you just can't completely change it's course).
Also, I know we talked about this a bit before and I'm not trying to change your mind but I think it's worth noting the combat in Fromsoft games is essentially a better version of Zelda: Ocarina of Times combat, Soul Reaver seemed to have taken inspiration from that so I believe that's how some folk reach that conclusion. Now I don't disagree, but I do want to mention that with the right equipment and stats you can easily defeat enemies in Fromsoft games with one hit, even bosses. If you remove the stat building and weapon buffing then I think the combat would lend well to the LoK series. The way Fromsoft games present themselves with the dark gothic tones is what I think a lot of folk mainly want to see implemented into a reboot. Combined with rich cutscenes and intriguing narrative. I completely agree that the way Fromsoft tells stories would not work well with Legacy of Kain. Some in world lore building but we need cutscenes and character interactions to really drive the story along. The folk that call for a more Fromsoft approach are probably speaking more of the combat (without rpg stat elements) and the dark and grotesque tone of the world and narrative. I have played and 100% all Fromsoft games and if I'm being honest, dealing with rpg elements like weapon stats, armor stats, and what spells give me the best buffs was the least fun part of the whole experience. I would say a less punishing version of SEKIRO would jibe well with a Blood Omen reboot. That game had one weapon (not suggesting one weapon for a reboot btw) and the focus was on deflecting and attacking. It wasn't so much about stats and was focused more on raw gameplay, these are your tools, learn them, get good with them, now destroy! You could jump, use a grapple hook for traversal, sneak, swim, ect. It was a much more fun Fromsoft experience in my opinion but again it was very punishing, I would like them to follow those concepts with more of a power fantasy in mind. Sorry for rambling, I agree with most of your takes. Maybe check out some videos of Sekiro gameplay to see what I mean. I feel the attack/deflect system in that game was what Blood Omen 2 was trying to achieve back in the day. Thanks for reading! Looking forward to your next video homie.
As a long time LOK fan that recently got in love with Elden Ring, I 100% agree. It can be adapted to work well. It should not copy the gameplay, but derive inspiration from it.
3:40 - he's not a random voice actor. He mentioned that he wanted to voice Raziel in an interview once, about a year ago. I tried to pay for a cameo session where he would read the SR1 monologue but he turned it down (gracefully), mentioning there was too much crossover in terms of legal red tape.
That's the main issue with a reboot you're simply not getting the original vision. Also trust and believe a modern reboot will come with all of the baggage of modern messaging. It's basically a trap.
I think a remake would be great. More realistic character models, updated controls, different gameplay mechanics, puzzle mechanics, everything could be really updated and loads better of handled correctly. Raina Audron should be brought on as supervisory/quality control.
I agree with most of what you say, except for the more realistic character models. You could mean just better graphics and more pixels. But I actually prefer the more stylized World of Warcraft/dark siders visual aesthetic to the series. I don’t believe this series hasta, be hyper, realistic, looking, which again you might not be saying that.
And yes, it’s a bs reason that it’s costly to make a game. Games sell more copies than ever. He said that to make it vague if there will be another game. Games are not successful because they don’t get finished. Decision makers are only seeing their own profit, which means games are not a passion project. They get released unfinished and executives get paid for implementing DEI to emotionalize us. We need to kick out overpaid execs and we need people back in power who love making games.
This saga has already it's own vibe and world building and it's perfect for the kind of tale being narrated, no need to ruin it by copying anything from other franchises.
Gameplay-wise, Elden Ring is WAY more fun than LOK's. Although a bit clunky, I think it can be somewhat adapted to work for LOK (like what they did to God of War). I'd love to see that coming to fruition
@k-yo No thanks. LOK doesn't need to be another soul game. No disrespect intended but, having all games that play the same, become boring. You'll just take part of it's own identity, if you change the gameplay so drastically.
A franchise reboot would likely be a travesty. The fan in me wants new Legacy of Kain titles but the realist in me knows we should be happy with what we have.
Political agendas are a factor, but a minor one. The real reason that the games industry is crashing is the same reason it crashed in 1983: poor quality, buggy, unfinished games being released at full price, destroying consumer confidence. Developers thought they could sidestep this by virtue of modern technology allowing them to ship it and patch it later. The market is proving them wrong; finally.
Not a minor one but rather a piece of the puzzle, another part is "corporatism" where short term growth (an unsustainable model of it) is prioritized and the identity (or direction) of the company is completely lost. Then we have what is perhaps one of the biggest issues, where the international money banks have been flooding the video games market by hijacking the whole process of how business and protocol are traditionally conducted. This has caused a disruption by sabotaging stocks and numbers, while then expecting to buy up IP's, dev studios and companies at the lowest possible cost.
If they make a new legacy of Kain game, they have to make it a sequel in which an uncorrupted Kain tries to defeat and destroy the elder God. It’s the next logical step in the story which, by the way, has not actually been concluded yet.
When people say a new legacy of King game would play like dark souls. They don't mean 1 to 1 more like the world layout and branching paths With boss enemies to slay, which it would have to be
I would like some of the gameplay elements too. The idea of re-exploring areas with respawned enemies (something SR1 already did and I completely forgot about it, so it got me drawing parallels with souls games instantly while playing the remaster), challenging combat (but not overly-punishing), LARGE BOSSES (but keeping puzzle mechanics please), and astonishingly beautiful and creative scenarios like they did on Elden Ring. Damn... just imagine exploring Nosgoth like in the Lands Between.
I would so love remakes of Blood Omens I, II, and Defiance. Imagine them drawing some inspiration from Devil May Cry, The Witcher III, Assassin's Creed: Odyssey, and Castlevania Lords of Shadows II gameplay for these games.
I really hope there is no reboot. The game is way too perfect to mess it up now with reboots. Stick to the remasters and then keep adding sequels and prequels. I prefer to see deleted content in the remasters and improvements. Maybe DLC extension to what's already available.
I think after defiance maybe the blood omen time line shofted a bit so maybe a new blood omen one 3d remake with time line changes and elder kain working in background, matbe call it blood omen revamped
If it gets rebooted, it’s not Legacy of Kain, period. If it gets rebooted, it will stop existing for me. Reboots almost never work. But if they do reboot it, I hope we’re getting a Defiance re-release. I’m not foolish enough to expect Blood Omen remakes. Also yes, dark souls would be a horrible idea for a LoK game. Legacy of Kain isn’t for Souls fans. The neckbeards can play something else if they think LoK is too easy for them.
@@VindensSaga I replied to him using the automatic function. Not my fault TH-cam is garbage. And he didn’t call anything out. He got butt hurt that someone doesn’t praise his favourite shit game.
They can do a Blood Omen remake but I do not want a reboot of the whole series. They tried that with the canceled Dead Sun project and thank goodness we dodged that bullet. That game was Legacy of Kain in name only. Now they can make other games starring other characters as long as they fit the original narrative that was already laid out, and most importantly moving forward with a new game that is a sequel to Defiance. They can do a game that centers around Raziel's years as a Vampire before he got cast into the abyss. They can make a game about Vorador and his younger years as a Vampire battling Moebius and Mortanius's armies. They can even make a game set after the genocide of the Razielim ordered by Kain, and one or a few managed to escape. Whatever they do. They should definitely pick up what was left off at the end of Defiance. The ending was such a cliff hanger they should make a sequel to that game. And whoever they pick to voice Kain or Raziel, either hire Simon Templeman and Michael Bell or tell the new voice actors to sound like Simon Templeman and Michael Bell. I don't want some voice actor putting their own take on the character. Simon Templeman's voice is the voice of Kain, you cannot think of anyone else's. The same thing goes for Michael Bell. Now some of the other voice actors have passed away such as Tony Jay and Paul Lukathor, and René Auberjonois. May they rest in peace. So they are going to have to find the right cast to fill in such big shoes.
Ben would make such a good Raziel. I hope they do a sequel and not a remake though. Also, I think the reason Ben was in this is he once said he wanted to voice Raziel in a game, so it’s not just random.
Good catch with the concept art and getting Denis to comment on it! It is art that could have come straight up from the 2016 and even from Deadhaus Sonata though and a reboot of the series is most definitely in the works. It might be a soft-reboot with a sequel though like they did with Outcast 2. I personally do not agree that LoK should be a soulslike but then again there are many different interpretations of what a soulslike is nowadays with the checkpoint based progression with respawning enemies when you die being the only common thing in the broadest term. I don't mind a Dark Souls combat in itself though. In many ways the combat of Blood Omen 2 is similar to that of Dark Souls mechanically. I think the problem with that combat is how it is balanced and how those games rely on cheap tricks to kill you whether in or outside of combat. I've always though that Darksiders is the closest to Legacy of Kain we've gotten in the last... well, since Defiance really. That is not really saying much cause Darksiders is getting quite old as well and the last game in that series is already 5 years old. There are other games that do have a similar feature-set when it comes to gameplay though and they are quite popular. Jedi Fallen Order and its sequel for example - both are the same type of game that Legacy of Kain games are. And both are kind of soulslikes with very Dark Soulsy combat but the difficulty options in those games actually demonstrate that you can be really overpowered and feel awesome with that kind of combat if you just balance it differently. I do prefer a DMC style of combat though - I like the faster pace of those games as well but would also like to see a bit more complexity than some of the games that supposedly have similar combat style actually have.
With the release of the Soul Reaver remasters and the re-release of the Blood Omen games, the only thing I want for sure if a remaster of Defiance (preferably with a user-controlled camera, but I know that'd take a lot of work). After that, if it were up to me, I'd go through with The Dark Prophecy in the same style as the Defiance remaster, wrapping up the original story as best as it can (Kain continuing to encounter the Hylden, going to the Demon Realm, finally stopping the Elder God, etc.). As for the Elden Ring/Fromsoft comparison, I took it as being more of a tonal or aesthetic comparison, as I 100% agree that both the gameplay and narrative style of Fromsoft's library is completely antithetical to that of Legacy of Kain and would be an instance of giving the audience the exact opposite of what they want.
In an age where reboots/remakes add/remove elements that change the game entirely and still get criticised against the original? Literally, just remaster Defiance and the Blood Omen games, create Dark Prophecy, DONE.
@@Calypso694 I'd like to nominate Daeg Faerch as a young Kain. He was the kid Michael Myers in Rob Zombies Halloween and he now looks like he'd play a vampire role quite well at 29 yrs old. I think he'd also make a great "Johnny" from the Texas Chainsaw video game (if you're familiar with that)
A Legacy of Kain reboot makes a lot of sense and in terms of Fromsoft pay less attention to combat mechanics and more attention to their level design. I agree that the methodical combat doesn't make sense for Kain (unless you play as pre-vampire Kain) but the demon souls remake level designs, especially The Ivory Tower and Bolitaria, are masterful examples of how to apply Gothic horror elements to how you build out an environment.
Use the "Fallout" Franchise to reboot the essentials of "Legacy of Kain" The "Elder God" is the boss of "Vault Tec", there is another "Stadislaus Braun". The "big war" between "Hylden" and "winged", or between the USA and China, is unimportant, only the Elder God is "erternally present, here and everywhere, now and always". The "vampires" are the "Ghoul", only 1000 years later. In SR1, the "Ghoul" are not only the over 104 year olds, but the more than 1000 year olds.
What they should do is not an AAA reboot game, what they should do is an AA direct sequel. Most important thing is the story, and I have no idea how they are gonna get the old writers back. If they don't, they should leave it.
For any potential remake of either Blood Omen or Defiance i'd prefer a "single lock" type of combat system (like Soulreaver, Ocatina of Time, Dark Souls etc.), to a "free flow" system (Devil may cry, Defiance, God of War). etc.) As i prefer the combat to feel personal and visceral, rather than fast and frenetic.
It's possibly a remake of Blood Omen 1 like the 3rd person remakes of Resident Evil 1, 2, 3 and 4 or the Silent Hill 2 remake. Possibly depending on the financial success of Soul Reaver 1 & 2 remaster. Since that top-down pixelated game of Blood Omen 1 won't cut it for a remaster cause it is like a SNES/Gameboy Advance game. With the games that released, they can reference and get ideas for that Blood Omen 1 remake in 3rd person. I think the atmosphere/environment is what they are talking about when they mentioned FromSoftware gamres like Elden Ring. The gameplay of the LoK is hack-n-slash so games like dmc, darksiders 1 & 2, god of war 1, 2 & 3, shadow of mordor/war and lords of shadow 1, these are are closest game to the gameplay of LoK Defiance, even the old game that also got a remaster some years ago called Onimusha: Warlords has better flowing combat and soul-sucking than Soul Reaver 1 & 2, like if you played the game and reach later levels you would say wait this is a better Soul Reaver 1 & 2 combat-wise. They would benefit a lot if they have the parry/riposte system of FromSoftware games that are fast like Sekiro or another quick game like Nioh 2 or Wo Long Fallen Dynasty. Hopefully they will incorporate traversing on top of buildings and scaling walls like you see in LoK Defiance and better yet copy the parkour system of climbing of Infamous 2, Shadow of mordor/war, Fortnite Zero Builds (parkour to climb walls and buildings is crazy good now in that game) & Batman Arkham games. Kain can legit turn into bats or mist or super jump and such like you see in the parkour of playstation 5 spider-man 2.
The recent jedi games could be a guide for a all new 3rd person blood omen, and i would be all for it. It is more action oriented, but also has metroidvania elements and in combat sometimes can feel challenging like a souls game
Man, demanding Michael Bell to come back is a travesty and being out of touch with the reality of life, honestly. The guy is almost into his 90s and his voice has taken a toll. I don't think we should burden him with that responsibility anymore. The mantle has to be passed respectfully!
Not a fan of Souls games as well, but imagine a modern game with playable Raziel and Kain. The Raziel parts could work with Souls mechanics, Raziel wouldn't die just shift into spectral realm. While the Kain parts would play differently - dispatching enemies and bosses way easier and quicker than Raziel.
I agree with folks saying Elden Ring-like in scope maybe, not gameplay. I do think that sort of world, discovery, immersion etc would be amazing for Nosgoth. And gameplay of idk... Breath of the Wild/Tears of the Kingdom sans motion control? That might sound weird but Blood Omen 1 was a Zelda-like so
I wish they made Legacy of Kain: Dead Sun I know some people didn't like it but I think it looked so interesting and fun It was called Legacy of Kain still so it must have been connected to the original games in some way I just hope the next game is a soft reboot thats still canon to the original games instead of a full reboot And I wish they made Legacy of Kain: The Dark Prophecy it would have been so cool they were going to have 2 playable characters like Defiance but instead of it being Rasial and Kain it was Old Kain and Young Kain from the new timeline
A reboot? No thanks. But a remake that remains faithful to the original source material wherever possible? I'd be down for that. Too many people have gotten the mistaken idea in their heads that all remakes are bad no matter what. But what they fail to understand is that Video Game franchises aren't like T.V. or movie franchises, whose main technological medium hasn't changed much in over sixty years. Video games franchises MUST adapt to changing computer technology in order to remain relevant to modern audiences. The simple, unfortunate fact of the matter is that the original Legacy of Kain game, while a masterpiece of storytelling, has aged incredibly poorly in terms of graphics and presentation. If the game isn't updated to appeal to the expectations of younger gamers, then it's going to fade into irrelevance. That's the plain truth. Top-down games like the original LOK are a niche market in the modern gaming industry; 3D action platformers or RPGs are what most gamers expect to see nowadays. And the fact that this is exactly the direction that Crystal Dynamics went with Soul reaver and it's sequels only confirms the truth of everything that I've said.
Most of this is huge copium, but i mostly i agree. Even though i am not sure how raziel would come back, micheal bell is over 80 years dude. At this point i just wish for his health to be good. Second point, i kinda agree with the others, i'd rather get a conclusion, a sequel if you may.
Hmm, this video seems like you're trying to stir something. Ben Starr is in the documentary as a fan, he's expressed love for the series in multiple interviews - it's hardly unreasonable to feature him on the doc especially since he's very popular right now. You're ranting about development costs but your opinions are not really valuable here. And then the cherry on top is the bs at 16:17 which just isn't true. AAA is stagnating because game development has become formulaic and no dev wants to take risks anymore because new IP is dangerous and untested game mechanics can be a massive waste of development time. These are not concerns that any indie dev has to worry about so they can make any game that they want.
They could just remaster the other games and finish Dark Prophecy which was very far in development, a package including Blood Omen 1 & 2 and a package including Defience and Dark Prophecy would be anything a fan wants and easy money for them.
I agree almost on everything you'said, this game needs tò follow the darksiders series style of games. Dinamic combat with free camera and Zelda/Metroid style of progression in a semi-open world
I do not agree with Dark Souls at all. If anything, it'd be great to renovate the entire game aspect of Legacy of Kain, which, beyond Blood Omen 1, has been a significant weak point for the series. The music, the dialogue, the overarching story?: A++ Art Concepts?: A++ (disregard the 1999's-2003 graphics, different era of gaming) The gameplay?: C- to D, at best. Very clunky mechanics, 1990s puzzle gaming and semi-platforming elements ... it's just not a very fun concept for 2024. I'd love to see a sort of return to the Blood Omen semi-isometric gameplay style, with modern camera zooms and whatnot being part of it. This might not be as interactive as an FPS or behind-the-character 3D camera style (Soul Reaver 1 - Defiance gameplay), but IMO isometric has its charm.
I want an rpg with a new character set in the post spul reaver 1 era after kain leaving and the civil wars between all the dumahlim zephonlim turelim rehabim etc. Flesh out those old characters
Why not? What are you all afraid of? We have the originals - remastered even. So we should close all doors out of fear that they will screw it? I love LoK and I am all up for remakes and new entries as well. How do you think they can make a sequel to Defiance without introducing the rest of the story to the audience....naive
Epic mainstream counter, I subbed for this! And also concurr that Dark Souls is not suitable here. Moreover the "genre" has already been done to death! LoC is waay better off attempting to create its own niche, as it once did. Ideally with alot more time travel and dimmension mechanics.
Dark Souls WOULD be a GREAT STYLE FOR LEGACY OF KAIN 😁 So I completely dissagree to your completely dissagreeing 😂😂😂 Anyways thank you for making this video !!! All this info is extremely valuable 😊 ! Thank you !!!
I agree with mostly everything you said however i feel you could get a LoK game in the style of darksouls. It would fit blood Omen 1 style of gameplay where it was a sprawling rpg like game. So i could see it working. Also fromsoft also made that ninja souls type game which was pretty fast and power fntasy like so they are all clunky like you are thinking
I agree with you re dark souls style game, it doesn’t work, I’m not a dark souls fan either, I don’t find the combat hard, I just can’t workout where to go. I was just about to say if you ar3 going to base it on a modern game, I was going to say god of war, just as you said it. It would be a let down to go back to being weak, especially after Kain got the upgraded reaver.
I think you're taking the Fromsoftware comment a little too literally. He probably just meant similar in terms of general world progression and atmosphere. Not every mechanic and design needs to be identical to it.
These guys at CD are stupid because Amy Hennig is still alive and she has the script for the final chapter. Hire her for the story. Put BO 3 in pre production. Remake Blood Omen 1 style of V rising. Hell get them to make it with Aspyr. Then do Blood omen 2 and then boom announce blood omen 3 for 2027/2030. Money money money chaching
Legacy of kain series has been out for over 20yrs and it took the game to be re-released for it to get tracktion from the plebs. Now the plebs want a reboot lol been wanting a remake to this since first playing the first assassins creed and again when playing the witcher ..best games ever made, pinnacle of story telling in gaming. When asked over the years whats your favourite game ive always said LoK blood omen and i would get looked at like i had 3 heads...
Please no. The way to go forward is either a sequel to Defiance to finally conclude the story, or a full remake of Blood Omen.
Preferably both.
Both is good
If they remade blood omen and soul reaver, it could be an opportunity to include soul reaver's intended ending, creating a fast track to story telling beyond the events of defiance. SR2 and defiance essentially spent their narratives finishing what they couldn't before and fixing the inconsistencies created by the development team for BO2. Imagine if they could circumvent that and tell a new story sooner, and more neatly.
The story is concluded by not having a full closure. If this change, the whole tale wouldn't be the same.
We gotta be real, I don't think that approach is feasible today. Commercially this game gotta make sense, and times have changed. It's impossible to make die hard fans happy while introducing new players.
@@k-yo When a game Is good, new players will enjoy It. The foundations are good and drastically changing what made this saga so unique, would only lead to failure. If new games will be made from this franchise, those need to start from those foundations otherwise, it wouldn't be LOK anymore.
No remake. Just remaster the five games and make a proper conclusion. Then maybe in the future, Remake.
Agreed
That would literally never happen
That’s what I want too but they won’t just make a conclusion to the franchise out of the blue
@@zachariahtuttle3543hey we're already halfway there with the Soul Reaver games just getting remastered.
Listen if they can give us the quality of a remake such as RE2? I'm down for a remake buddy. Capcom set the bar extremely high with remakes. They can go with a remake if done correctly and with the right squad of developers.
I for one, would LOVE a soft reboot/remake, taking great care to fix some minor plotholes, maybe even the whole plot of Blood Omen 2 (while still keeping the hylden, because I liked how the writers incorporated them on Defiance), and incorporating ideas that got the cut originally. Give it a souls-like + metroidvania-inspired gameplay approach, with interesting puzzles like the originals, don't ditch the stage/Shakespearean/gothic atmosphere, keep most of the original characters, but introduce a couple of well-written new faces. Then just wrap up the story of what happens after defiance, or rewrite that ending to give a proper conclusion (I wouldn't mind). As long-time fan who is not out of touch with how times have changed (let's be real), this would be a dream come true, a proper modernization of the series while respecting the lore and world-building.
I mean, with time travel on the play, just call it an alternate timestream that was the result of some more time-fudging by the characters, the original timeline can remain intact and part of the whole lore (to keep die-hard fans "happy") and would ultimately end on the same conclusion, due to time being like the flow of a river (you just can't completely change it's course).
Also, I know we talked about this a bit before and I'm not trying to change your mind but I think it's worth noting the combat in Fromsoft games is essentially a better version of Zelda: Ocarina of Times combat, Soul Reaver seemed to have taken inspiration from that so I believe that's how some folk reach that conclusion. Now I don't disagree, but I do want to mention that with the right equipment and stats you can easily defeat enemies in Fromsoft games with one hit, even bosses. If you remove the stat building and weapon buffing then I think the combat would lend well to the LoK series.
The way Fromsoft games present themselves with the dark gothic tones is what I think a lot of folk mainly want to see implemented into a reboot. Combined with rich cutscenes and intriguing narrative. I completely agree that the way Fromsoft tells stories would not work well with Legacy of Kain. Some in world lore building but we need cutscenes and character interactions to really drive the story along.
The folk that call for a more Fromsoft approach are probably speaking more of the combat (without rpg stat elements) and the dark and grotesque tone of the world and narrative.
I have played and 100% all Fromsoft games and if I'm being honest, dealing with rpg elements like weapon stats, armor stats, and what spells give me the best buffs was the least fun part of the whole experience.
I would say a less punishing version of SEKIRO would jibe well with a Blood Omen reboot. That game had one weapon (not suggesting one weapon for a reboot btw) and the focus was on deflecting and attacking. It wasn't so much about stats and was focused more on raw gameplay, these are your tools, learn them, get good with them, now destroy!
You could jump, use a grapple hook for traversal, sneak, swim, ect. It was a much more fun Fromsoft experience in my opinion but again it was very punishing, I would like them to follow those concepts with more of a power fantasy in mind. Sorry for rambling, I agree with most of your takes. Maybe check out some videos of Sekiro gameplay to see what I mean. I feel the attack/deflect system in that game was what Blood Omen 2 was trying to achieve back in the day.
Thanks for reading! Looking forward to your next video homie.
As a long time LOK fan that recently got in love with Elden Ring, I 100% agree. It can be adapted to work well. It should not copy the gameplay, but derive inspiration from it.
3:40 - he's not a random voice actor. He mentioned that he wanted to voice Raziel in an interview once, about a year ago. I tried to pay for a cameo session where he would read the SR1 monologue but he turned it down (gracefully), mentioning there was too much crossover in terms of legal red tape.
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That's the main issue with a reboot you're simply not getting the original vision.
Also trust and believe a modern reboot will come with all of the baggage of modern messaging. It's basically a trap.
I think a remake would be great. More realistic character models, updated controls, different gameplay mechanics, puzzle mechanics, everything could be really updated and loads better of handled correctly. Raina Audron should be brought on as supervisory/quality control.
I agree with most of what you say, except for the more realistic character models. You could mean just better graphics and more pixels. But I actually prefer the more stylized World of Warcraft/dark siders visual aesthetic to the series. I don’t believe this series hasta, be hyper, realistic, looking, which again you might not be saying that.
I don’t think he meant the gameplay of Elden ring but more the vibe and the world building.
And yes, it’s a bs reason that it’s costly to make a game. Games sell more copies than ever. He said that to make it vague if there will be another game. Games are not successful because they don’t get finished. Decision makers are only seeing their own profit, which means games are not a passion project. They get released unfinished and executives get paid for implementing DEI to emotionalize us. We need to kick out overpaid execs and we need people back in power who love making games.
This saga has already it's own vibe and world building and it's perfect for the kind of tale being narrated, no need to ruin it by copying anything from other franchises.
Gameplay-wise, Elden Ring is WAY more fun than LOK's. Although a bit clunky, I think it can be somewhat adapted to work for LOK (like what they did to God of War). I'd love to see that coming to fruition
@k-yo No thanks. LOK doesn't need to be another soul game. No disrespect intended but, having all games that play the same, become boring. You'll just take part of it's own identity, if you change the gameplay so drastically.
A franchise reboot would likely be a travesty. The fan in me wants new Legacy of Kain titles but the realist in me knows we should be happy with what we have.
Political agendas are a factor, but a minor one.
The real reason that the games industry is crashing is the same reason it crashed in 1983: poor quality, buggy, unfinished games being released at full price, destroying consumer confidence.
Developers thought they could sidestep this by virtue of modern technology allowing them to ship it and patch it later. The market is proving them wrong; finally.
Not a minor one but rather a piece of the puzzle, another part is "corporatism" where short term growth (an unsustainable model of it) is prioritized and the identity (or direction) of the company is completely lost.
Then we have what is perhaps one of the biggest issues, where the international money banks have been flooding the video games market by hijacking the whole process of how business and protocol are traditionally conducted.
This has caused a disruption by sabotaging stocks and numbers, while then expecting to buy up IP's, dev studios and companies at the lowest possible cost.
Poor quality and poor politics are one in the same ol
If they make a new legacy of Kain game, they have to make it a sequel in which an uncorrupted Kain tries to defeat and destroy the elder God. It’s the next logical step in the story which, by the way, has not actually been concluded yet.
When people say a new legacy of King game would play like dark souls. They don't mean 1 to 1 more like the world layout and branching paths
With boss enemies to slay, which it would have to be
I would like some of the gameplay elements too. The idea of re-exploring areas with respawned enemies (something SR1 already did and I completely forgot about it, so it got me drawing parallels with souls games instantly while playing the remaster), challenging combat (but not overly-punishing), LARGE BOSSES (but keeping puzzle mechanics please), and astonishingly beautiful and creative scenarios like they did on Elden Ring. Damn... just imagine exploring Nosgoth like in the Lands Between.
I would so love remakes of Blood Omens I, II, and Defiance. Imagine them drawing some inspiration from Devil May Cry, The Witcher III, Assassin's Creed: Odyssey, and Castlevania Lords of Shadows II gameplay for these games.
leave out AC and im in.
I really hope there is no reboot. The game is way too perfect to mess it up now with reboots. Stick to the remasters and then keep adding sequels and prequels. I prefer to see deleted content in the remasters and improvements. Maybe DLC extension to what's already available.
I think after defiance maybe the blood omen time line shofted a bit so maybe a new blood omen one 3d remake with time line changes and elder kain working in background, matbe call it blood omen revamped
If it gets rebooted, it’s not Legacy of Kain, period. If it gets rebooted, it will stop existing for me. Reboots almost never work. But if they do reboot it, I hope we’re getting a Defiance re-release. I’m not foolish enough to expect Blood Omen remakes.
Also yes, dark souls would be a horrible idea for a LoK game. Legacy of Kain isn’t for Souls fans. The neckbeards can play something else if they think LoK is too easy for them.
The irony of you calling others "neckbeards" with a comment like this lmfao
@ go play your precious dark souls and stop getting offended over others not liking your favourite sadistic game.
@@donovanfaust3227 lol. He replied back to you without your name tagged so you wouldn't get the notification.
@@Hynotama He called you out and you cry about it, well done.
@@VindensSaga I replied to him using the automatic function. Not my fault TH-cam is garbage. And he didn’t call anything out. He got butt hurt that someone doesn’t praise his favourite shit game.
They can do a Blood Omen remake but I do not want a reboot of the whole series. They tried that with the canceled Dead Sun project and thank goodness we dodged that bullet. That game was Legacy of Kain in name only. Now they can make other games starring other characters as long as they fit the original narrative that was already laid out, and most importantly moving forward with a new game that is a sequel to Defiance. They can do a game that centers around Raziel's years as a Vampire before he got cast into the abyss. They can make a game about Vorador and his younger years as a Vampire battling Moebius and Mortanius's armies. They can even make a game set after the genocide of the Razielim ordered by Kain, and one or a few managed to escape. Whatever they do. They should definitely pick up what was left off at the end of Defiance. The ending was such a cliff hanger they should make a sequel to that game. And whoever they pick to voice Kain or Raziel, either hire Simon Templeman and Michael Bell or tell the new voice actors to sound like Simon Templeman and Michael Bell. I don't want some voice actor putting their own take on the character. Simon Templeman's voice is the voice of Kain, you cannot think of anyone else's. The same thing goes for Michael Bell. Now some of the other voice actors have passed away such as Tony Jay and Paul Lukathor, and René Auberjonois. May they rest in peace. So they are going to have to find the right cast to fill in such big shoes.
Ben would make such a good Raziel. I hope they do a sequel and not a remake though. Also, I think the reason Ben was in this is he once said he wanted to voice Raziel in a game, so it’s not just random.
Good catch with the concept art and getting Denis to comment on it! It is art that could have come straight up from the 2016 and even from Deadhaus Sonata though and a reboot of the series is most definitely in the works. It might be a soft-reboot with a sequel though like they did with Outcast 2.
I personally do not agree that LoK should be a soulslike but then again there are many different interpretations of what a soulslike is nowadays with the checkpoint based progression with respawning enemies when you die being the only common thing in the broadest term. I don't mind a Dark Souls combat in itself though. In many ways the combat of Blood Omen 2 is similar to that of Dark Souls mechanically. I think the problem with that combat is how it is balanced and how those games rely on cheap tricks to kill you whether in or outside of combat.
I've always though that Darksiders is the closest to Legacy of Kain we've gotten in the last... well, since Defiance really. That is not really saying much cause Darksiders is getting quite old as well and the last game in that series is already 5 years old. There are other games that do have a similar feature-set when it comes to gameplay though and they are quite popular. Jedi Fallen Order and its sequel for example - both are the same type of game that Legacy of Kain games are. And both are kind of soulslikes with very Dark Soulsy combat but the difficulty options in those games actually demonstrate that you can be really overpowered and feel awesome with that kind of combat if you just balance it differently. I do prefer a DMC style of combat though - I like the faster pace of those games as well but would also like to see a bit more complexity than some of the games that supposedly have similar combat style actually have.
With the release of the Soul Reaver remasters and the re-release of the Blood Omen games, the only thing I want for sure if a remaster of Defiance (preferably with a user-controlled camera, but I know that'd take a lot of work).
After that, if it were up to me, I'd go through with The Dark Prophecy in the same style as the Defiance remaster, wrapping up the original story as best as it can (Kain continuing to encounter the Hylden, going to the Demon Realm, finally stopping the Elder God, etc.).
As for the Elden Ring/Fromsoft comparison, I took it as being more of a tonal or aesthetic comparison, as I 100% agree that both the gameplay and narrative style of Fromsoft's library is completely antithetical to that of Legacy of Kain and would be an instance of giving the audience the exact opposite of what they want.
In an age where reboots/remakes add/remove elements that change the game entirely and still get criticised against the original?
Literally, just remaster Defiance and the Blood Omen games, create Dark Prophecy, DONE.
If they do this, I hope they do it right, properly.
Just give us more Soul Reaver 1 gameplay. The 3D MetroidVania thing without the block puzzles this time.
Henry Cavill as young human/vampire Kain in live action movie!.....? 😂
nah hes everywhere and too handsome imo need someone kind of average or not traditionally good looking if that makes sense? no idea who
@@Calypso694 I'd like to nominate Daeg Faerch as a young Kain. He was the kid Michael Myers in Rob Zombies Halloween and he now looks like he'd play a vampire role quite well at 29 yrs old. I think he'd also make a great "Johnny" from the Texas Chainsaw video game (if you're familiar with that)
A Legacy of Kain reboot makes a lot of sense and in terms of Fromsoft pay less attention to combat mechanics and more attention to their level design. I agree that the methodical combat doesn't make sense for Kain (unless you play as pre-vampire Kain) but the demon souls remake level designs, especially The Ivory Tower and Bolitaria, are masterful examples of how to apply Gothic horror elements to how you build out an environment.
They'd probably cast Ben Starr as the Elder God since Tony Jay is dead. They could then have Alistair Duncan reprise Mortanius.
If I had to have one thing it would be a full 3D 3rd person remake of Blood Omen
Use the "Fallout" Franchise to reboot the essentials of "Legacy of Kain"
The "Elder God" is the boss of "Vault Tec", there is another "Stadislaus Braun".
The "big war" between "Hylden" and "winged", or between the USA and China, is unimportant, only the Elder God is "erternally present, here and everywhere, now and always".
The "vampires" are the "Ghoul", only 1000 years later. In SR1, the "Ghoul" are not only the over 104 year olds, but the more than 1000 year olds.
What they should do is not an AAA reboot game, what they should do is an AA direct sequel. Most important thing is the story, and I have no idea how they are gonna get the old writers back. If they don't, they should leave it.
For any potential remake of either Blood Omen or Defiance i'd prefer a "single lock" type of combat system (like Soulreaver, Ocatina of Time, Dark Souls etc.), to a "free flow" system (Devil may cry, Defiance, God of War).
etc.) As i prefer the combat to feel personal and visceral, rather than fast and frenetic.
It's possibly a remake of Blood Omen 1 like the 3rd person remakes of Resident Evil 1, 2, 3 and 4 or the Silent Hill 2 remake. Possibly depending on the financial success of Soul Reaver 1 & 2 remaster.
Since that top-down pixelated game of Blood Omen 1 won't cut it for a remaster cause it is like a SNES/Gameboy Advance game. With the games that released, they can reference and get ideas for that Blood Omen 1 remake in 3rd person.
I think the atmosphere/environment is what they are talking about when they mentioned FromSoftware gamres like Elden Ring.
The gameplay of the LoK is hack-n-slash so games like dmc, darksiders 1 & 2, god of war 1, 2 & 3, shadow of mordor/war and lords of shadow 1, these are are closest game to the gameplay of LoK Defiance, even the old game that also got a remaster some years ago called Onimusha: Warlords has better flowing combat and soul-sucking than Soul Reaver 1 & 2, like if you played the game and reach later levels you would say wait this is a better Soul Reaver 1 & 2 combat-wise.
They would benefit a lot if they have the parry/riposte system of FromSoftware games that are fast like Sekiro or another quick game like Nioh 2 or Wo Long Fallen Dynasty.
Hopefully they will incorporate traversing on top of buildings and scaling walls like you see in LoK Defiance and better yet copy the parkour system of climbing of Infamous 2, Shadow of mordor/war, Fortnite Zero Builds (parkour to climb walls and buildings is crazy good now in that game) & Batman Arkham games. Kain can legit turn into bats or mist or super jump and such like you see in the parkour of playstation 5 spider-man 2.
THEY BETTER NOT REPLACE THE VOICE ACTORS TO PLAY KAIN AND RAZIEL I would be so pissed
The recent jedi games could be a guide for a all new 3rd person blood omen, and i would be all for it. It is more action oriented, but also has metroidvania elements and in combat sometimes can feel challenging like a souls game
As someone who has played a ton of Legacy of Kain and Elden Ring, I have to say that a blood omen souls like style gameplay would be Fn AWESOME!! 🤞
Man, demanding Michael Bell to come back is a travesty and being out of touch with the reality of life, honestly. The guy is almost into his 90s and his voice has taken a toll. I don't think we should burden him with that responsibility anymore. The mantle has to be passed respectfully!
Not a fan of Souls games as well, but imagine a modern game with playable Raziel and Kain. The Raziel parts could work with Souls mechanics, Raziel wouldn't die just shift into spectral realm. While the Kain parts would play differently - dispatching enemies and bosses way easier and quicker than Raziel.
Fully agreed on the Dark Souls comparison. I don't have any issues with those games, but that is 100% not what these game were and currently are.
7:26 I would love a Blood Omen remake based on these concepts, with some elements of The Witcher it would be a cool game.
I agree with folks saying Elden Ring-like in scope maybe, not gameplay. I do think that sort of world, discovery, immersion etc would be amazing for Nosgoth. And gameplay of idk... Breath of the Wild/Tears of the Kingdom sans motion control? That might sound weird but Blood Omen 1 was a Zelda-like so
Simon Templeman and Michael Bell are essential, there's no Kain and Raziel without them.
We have excellent french voice actors
I wish they made Legacy of Kain: Dead Sun I know some people didn't like it but I think it looked so interesting and fun
It was called Legacy of Kain still so it must have been connected to the original games in some way
I just hope the next game is a soft reboot thats still canon to the original games instead of a full reboot
And I wish they made Legacy of Kain: The Dark Prophecy it would have been so cool they were going to have 2 playable characters like Defiance but instead of it being Rasial and Kain it was Old Kain and Young Kain from the new timeline
A reboot? No thanks. But a remake that remains faithful to the original source material wherever possible? I'd be down for that. Too many people have gotten the mistaken idea in their heads that all remakes are bad no matter what. But what they fail to understand is that Video Game franchises aren't like T.V. or movie franchises, whose main technological medium hasn't changed much in over sixty years. Video games franchises MUST adapt to changing computer technology in order to remain relevant to modern audiences.
The simple, unfortunate fact of the matter is that the original Legacy of Kain game, while a masterpiece of storytelling, has aged incredibly poorly in terms of graphics and presentation. If the game isn't updated to appeal to the expectations of younger gamers, then it's going to fade into irrelevance. That's the plain truth. Top-down games like the original LOK are a niche market in the modern gaming industry; 3D action platformers or RPGs are what most gamers expect to see nowadays. And the fact that this is exactly the direction that Crystal Dynamics went with Soul reaver and it's sequels only confirms the truth of everything that I've said.
Most of this is huge copium, but i mostly i agree. Even though i am not sure how raziel would come back, micheal bell is over 80 years dude. At this point i just wish for his health to be good.
Second point, i kinda agree with the others, i'd rather get a conclusion, a sequel if you may.
I would actually prefer a Batman Arkham style combat with Indiana Jones like puzzle system imo
I prefer the DMC 5, Darksiders, Castlevania: Lords of Shadows 2 style
😉 Oh it's on the way 😉
Will we finally get Dark Prophecy?
Less like elden ring, more like Jedi survivor. I've been playing the remaster of soul reaver and it would fit so well in a Jedi survivor style
Hmm, this video seems like you're trying to stir something. Ben Starr is in the documentary as a fan, he's expressed love for the series in multiple interviews - it's hardly unreasonable to feature him on the doc especially since he's very popular right now. You're ranting about development costs but your opinions are not really valuable here. And then the cherry on top is the bs at 16:17 which just isn't true. AAA is stagnating because game development has become formulaic and no dev wants to take risks anymore because new IP is dangerous and untested game mechanics can be a massive waste of development time. These are not concerns that any indie dev has to worry about so they can make any game that they want.
Remake should be better, they should go the same direction as Dead Space and RE...
1:25 Ummm.... actually....XBX didn't get Blood Omen 1&2 and I would really like that.
They could just remaster the other games and finish Dark Prophecy which was very far in development, a package including Blood Omen 1 & 2 and a package including Defience and Dark Prophecy would be anything a fan wants and easy money for them.
Ben Starr is from FF16.
I agree almost on everything you'said, this game needs tò follow the darksiders series style of games.
Dinamic combat with free camera and Zelda/Metroid style of progression in a semi-open world
I totally agree about the from software comparison. Not the right fit for me.
Is it too late to ask for a legacy of kain in secret level?
I do not agree with Dark Souls at all.
If anything, it'd be great to renovate the entire game aspect of Legacy of Kain, which, beyond Blood Omen 1, has been a significant weak point for the series. The music, the dialogue, the overarching story?: A++
Art Concepts?: A++ (disregard the 1999's-2003 graphics, different era of gaming)
The gameplay?: C- to D, at best.
Very clunky mechanics, 1990s puzzle gaming and semi-platforming elements ... it's just not a very fun concept for 2024. I'd love to see a sort of return to the Blood Omen semi-isometric gameplay style, with modern camera zooms and whatnot being part of it. This might not be as interactive as an FPS or behind-the-character 3D camera style (Soul Reaver 1 - Defiance gameplay), but IMO isometric has its charm.
If they hit the tone and lore right i dont care if its souls like.Reboots can work imo
If u feel weak in Elden ring u are doing something wrong,u basically killing gods in that game
I am digging your content
Vae Victis 🔥
I want an rpg with a new character set in the post spul reaver 1 era after kain leaving and the civil wars between all the dumahlim zephonlim turelim rehabim etc. Flesh out those old characters
Why not? What are you all afraid of? We have the originals - remastered even. So we should close all doors out of fear that they will screw it?
I love LoK and I am all up for remakes and new entries as well. How do you think they can make a sequel to Defiance without introducing the rest of the story to the audience....naive
We need different gameplay for blood omen god of war or soul reaver like gameplay
I agree 100% with your opinion about the next games . you are a real hardcore Lok fan
V rising is basically Blood Omen 1 reskinned.
Cannot remake. The va's are the characters. And the game needs tony jay. So no. Remaster all 5. And end it.
No Dark Souls Clone, please 🤬
The Witcher like game for Blood Omen 1 would be good
Epic mainstream counter, I subbed for this!
And also concurr that Dark Souls is not suitable here. Moreover the "genre" has already been done to death! LoC is waay better off attempting to create its own niche, as it once did. Ideally with alot more time travel and dimmension mechanics.
Dark Souls WOULD be a GREAT STYLE FOR LEGACY OF KAIN 😁
So I completely dissagree to your completely dissagreeing 😂😂😂
Anyways thank you for making this video !!! All this info is extremely valuable 😊 ! Thank you !!!
I agree with mostly everything you said however i feel you could get a LoK game in the style of darksouls. It would fit blood Omen 1 style of gameplay where it was a sprawling rpg like game. So i could see it working. Also fromsoft also made that ninja souls type game which was pretty fast and power fntasy like so they are all clunky like you are thinking
I agree with you re dark souls style game, it doesn’t work, I’m not a dark souls fan either, I don’t find the combat hard, I just can’t workout where to go. I was just about to say if you ar3 going to base it on a modern game, I was going to say god of war, just as you said it. It would be a let down to go back to being weak, especially after Kain got the upgraded reaver.
All the publicity for these games is awesome, great video!!! I believe they will decide to do the right thing. Otherwise…VAE VICTIS!!!
no darksouls and no god of war combat sorry but no to both
NO PLEASE NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
Reboot is a BIG no no. Remake Blood Omen 1 and 2 and make the final Chapter Blood Omen 3
I think you're taking the Fromsoftware comment a little too literally. He probably just meant similar in terms of general world progression and atmosphere. Not every mechanic and design needs to be identical to it.
These guys at CD are stupid because Amy Hennig is still alive and she has the script for the final chapter. Hire her for the story. Put BO 3 in pre production. Remake Blood Omen 1 style of V rising. Hell get them to make it with Aspyr. Then do Blood omen 2 and then boom announce blood omen 3 for 2027/2030. Money money money chaching
Legacy of kain series has been out for over 20yrs and it took the game to be re-released for it to get tracktion from the plebs. Now the plebs want a reboot lol been wanting a remake to this since first playing the first assassins creed and again when playing the witcher ..best games ever made, pinnacle of story telling in gaming. When asked over the years whats your favourite game ive always said LoK blood omen and i would get looked at like i had 3 heads...
Blood omen 1 and 2 remake and the final chapter post defiance Blood Omen 3